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New Devices Help Track Olympic Winners

Darren writes "Athletes are going faster, higher and longer and as a result the technology that measures their feats at the Olympics needs to keep up. As a result a number of new devices to help track winners, losers at the Games have been developed, including microchips on marathon runners' shoes, ultrasensitive touch pads in the pool, radar guns at the beach volleyball and cameras that take 1000 images per second."

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  1. Nothing new here... by Mateito · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its always been easy to track the winners at the Olympics.

    They're the ones with the medals hanging around their necks.

  2. RFID Chips by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Informative

    Putting RFID chips on your shoes is nothing new. All of the local races down here use ChampionChip timing, unless they're really small. Have done for years, too. There's a local company, Run-Far who times most of the races as well - you run over mats at the start, finish, and useful places in the middle. Works pretty well.

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    1. Re:RFID Chips by bigberk · · Score: 5, Informative
      Putting RFID chips on your shoes is nothing new.
      Civil liberties people prepare to be shocked. Not only are RFID chips in your shoes, but according to the July 2004 IEEE Spectrum, they're also in
      • All Dockers khaki pants
      • All Colgate Shave Cream packages
      • All Trojan Ultra Ribbed condom boxes
      • Some Gilette razors

      While I'm sure that nobody is tracking you right now, RFID tags can be read by several meters away and contain unique identifiers. If you thought the Pentium chip unique IDs were bad, this should (rightly so) worry you considerably more.

    2. Re:RFID Chips by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not only are RFID chips in your shoes, but according to the July 2004 IEEE Spectrum, they're also in [...]
      All Trojan Ultra Ribbed condom boxes
      [...] this should (rightly so) worry you considerably more.


      It does...

      Why the "Ultra ribbed" ones?
      What are they hiding? What are they trying to find out?!

      I'm scared.

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    3. Re:RFID Chips by ctr2sprt · · Score: 4, Funny

      And yet the RFID-enabled badge I use to open doors at work needs to be 1 inch away from the wall-mounted sensor. Perhaps if I carried a package of condoms in my khaki pants to work...

    4. Re:RFID Chips by xzoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Putting RFID chips on your shoes is nothing new.

      Neither is touchpads and startingblocks in swimming. I've been a timekeeper for our local swimmingclub for a couple of years using this equipment, and so have my dad before me.

      What makes it news is that almost noone knows about the equipment that gives them their times (or disqualifes them).

      And to a poster a bit down, the equipment I use is able to measure down to 1/1000 of a second, but this is rarely used due to the incertainty. A swimmer might finish 1/1000 of a second before an other, but how do you prove that the second swimmer didn't hear the starting signal 3/1000 of a second later and deserve to win?

    5. Re:RFID Chips by nakaduct · · Score: 5, Funny

      Putting RFID chips on your shoes is nothing new.

      These are the soles... that time men's tries!

  3. Yeah... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    > ultrasensitive touch pads in the pool

    I used to know a girl who had a couple of those.

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  4. Fairness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No Fair! They will be changing the outcome when they measure the outcome.

    1. Re:Fairness by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
      No Fair! They will be changing the outcome when they measure the outcome. A finish line is still a finish line. Though I can't recall when they were so precise they could count 100ths of a second.

      Worry about how they'll apply lasers and 3D analysis to score gymnasts, regarding how closely they follow their selection and how 'artistic' it is. Anything judged seems ultimately fair game, though seems more sci-fi than prospective reality anywhere in the near future.

      'Maybe if they have to wear barcoded suits...'

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  5. Sabre by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was at the pub watching the men's sabre competition and we noticed they were wearing helmets the light up in different colors, also wear clothing that detects contact and prevents the usual bloodletting a strike would make. Pretty interesting stuff.

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    1. Re:Sabre by EvanED · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tell that to this guy...

      (To be fair, it's unusual. By insurance rates, fencing is actually one of the safest sports from what I've heard.)

    2. Re:Sabre by DarkFencer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually other then the fact that the fencing equipment in the olympics is wireless, there isn't much new to the electronic sensors. Fencing was one of the first sports to benefit from electronics due to the extreme speed of the action (sabre fencing is the fastest martial art in the world).

      Even with the sensors, an extremely skilled judge (called a director in fencing) is required to determine which competitor is considered the agressor and has 'right-of-way' to see who gets the point.

      On a side note, as a long time fencer actually getting to watch the sport in the olympics for the first time I realised one thing. It is a really bad spectator sport if you do not know the sport yourself. I watched the events on tv with family and friends and unless they showed a slow motion replay, people were just at a loss as to what happened (unless they were fencers themselves).

  6. That's cool for track... by Xxanmorph · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we just need a way to stop the judges from doing something stupid in gymnastics and we'll be set.

  7. Something tells me by baximus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Something tells me that the technology used will inevitably be faster than the athletes it's used to track. Athletes are, after all, not going twice as high, twice as long or twice as fast, every two years.

    1. Re:Something tells me by space77pup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, but it definitely does have to exceed the athlete's abilities. It seems that every Olympics the margin between Gold, Silver and Bronze gets smaller and smaller. What was the difference between Gold and Bronze in the Men's 100M Dash? .02 of a sec. If the technology was even 10 years older, they would probably have called a tie between all three of them.

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  8. 1000 images/second? by four12 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that's about how many are taken of Misty May's and Kerri Walsh's butts as they play a game.

  9. Where will it all go when they're done? by jmcmunn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can only assume that most of the finishes will be recorded digitally, along with all of the information collected about speed and time and all of that.

    So where will all of the information go when the games are over? Is there going to be a huge online stockpile where we can all go and watch the ultra slow motion finishes, and look up who had the fastest volleyball spike? I know I could spend hours just watching the slow motion cameras they use to record the divers and sprinters.

    Anyone else interested? Can you imagine how much data they must be generating with all of these cameras and sensors?

  10. False Starts by viggen9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently the athletes are improved, too. In track events, a start time within 0.1 seconds of the gun going off is considered a false start. Apparently 0.1 seconds is the fastest reaction time that humans are capable of. Some athletes, though, are now able to react in under 0.1 seconds, and as a result, they are being charged with false starts.

  11. Re:How sensitive are those touchpads? by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    a combination of well calibrated sensitivity and wet-road-tire-like grooves prevents the water from activating them.

  12. I don't think they react under 0.1 seconds... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's just they're anticipating the gun, sometimes they get it right and most of the time they get it wrong: given the new rule that any false starter (after the first start) will be DQ'd I'm sure you won't see 0.1sec reaction times the second time around: to the naked eye the reaction times of the 2nd start they did the other day in the 100m semi-final seemed slower than the 1st for example.

    It'd also be interesting to know how far from the athletes the gun is located and if sound travel speed can have an impact on things (how is the electronic system synchronized to the gun? via sound? some other way?)

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  13. this must not be true by jjeffries · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Bicyclists use a transponder clipped to a spoke on their front wheel to record their finish time. It sends signals from the bike to antennae along the route so judges can confirm who is in first.

    That must be a typical media oversimplification, right? If a race comes down to a scary, rubbing-elbows-with-the-guy-beside-me sprint, I sure don't want the 'win' to be decided by where in its rotation my wheel is when we cross the line together...

  14. Tour De France Timing and Scoring Technology by MisterLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative
    Last month, Engadget had an interesting article about new "crazy technology being used for timing and scoring the Tour de France".

    from the article: Matsport relied on some rather amazing high-tech timing and scoring technologies this year, including a FinishLynx® high-speed digital finish line and timing camera system, produced by Lynx System Developers, Inc., of Haverhill, Massachusetts, and an AMB Activ transponder timing system, produced by AMB-it, Heemstede, Netherlands

    There is also a really nifty diagram about halfway through the article, showing how the AMB Activ Transponder timing system works.

    Not directly Olympics-related, but since we were on the topic of new technology used to measure athletes...

  15. Re:That's fine and all... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . .is there a device to track Olympic Weiners?

    See above post about RFID tags in condoms.

    KFG

  16. FinishLynx by pHatidic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The coolest tech out there is definitely finishlynx. It takes pictures of who crosses the finish line only a pixel or two wide and stitches them together so you know exactly who crossed the line in what order and what their times were since the times are exactly proportional with the pics. In this pic of me in the men's lightweight single dash I am finishing 3rd (Alex Krupp, lane 1). The reason I appear so bloated compared to everyone else is I put on a huge fucking sprint at the finish and even though I was a full boat length of open water down on 5th place with 100 meters left I managed to finish 3rd. Not bad for not eating shit or drinking much in 2 days to make weight. Anyway because I was going so much faster than everyone else at the finish I appear in the least number of pixel wide images, thus making me appear bloated and compressed compared to all the other boats. The reason all the oars are swirly is because they change positions from when the first part of the oar crosses the line to when the whole boat is passed, thus creating a cool real time motion blur.