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Automated DMCA Notices Still Full of Lies

dbaker writes "The MPAA filed a DMCA takedown notice against Superconnect, a software company. The letter is available here that demands the removal of roughly 120K of open-source TCL code that they believe to be a 'copyrighted motion pictures.' This is definitely a surprising case of the guilty until proven innocent world that the DMCA provides." And yet another: enrico_suave writes "The Entertainment Software Association falsely accuses the Interactive Fiction archive of pirating Doom 3. doom3.zip is a 114kb freeware DOS game from 1988. Reminiscent of when the RIAA sent C & D's to a Professor Usher who had an usher.mp3 file posted on his website."

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  1. Re:MPAA should compare MD5SUMs by NeoChaosX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They'd probably mistake MD5 for a movie or song anyway.

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  2. IT just goes to show you.... by xmorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That they are not as smart as you think. They probably dont even read or listen the content or compare the size.

    WE'RE WATCHING YOU - doesnt sound as scary, especially if they really dont know what they are seeing.

    1. Re:IT just goes to show you.... by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That they are not as smart as you think. They probably dont even read or listen the content or compare the size.

      Why should they ? If these letters are sent automatically, it's much faster to skip any checks and just send the letter whenever there's even the slightest cause of suspicion. After all, the false positives won't hurt the them, just the poor bastard whose ISP gets such a letter and cuts the service.

      WE'RE WATCHING YOU - doesnt sound as scary, especially if they really dont know what they are seeing.

      You aren't scared that you might be punished (your ISP cuts the Internet access, police confiscates your computer, legal fees start piling up, you'll have to settle out of court or go banckrupt...) even if you're not guilty and there's no real evidence against you, just on some third-rate AIs word ? I would be, were I an American...

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    2. Re:IT just goes to show you.... by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WE'RE WATCHING YOU - doesnt sound as scary, especially if they really dont know what they are seeing.

      No, it's scarier if they are willing to prosecute, or even simply threaten prosectution, on such grounds.

      Not to mention what amounts to the power to have your internet account shut down on such grounds with it being your responsibility to "prove" noninfringment to get reinstated.

      KFG

  3. Re:May be violating the law, because their Civil. by WarlockD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like it or not, they can't file "charges" because they have to get a REAL prosecutor to agree with them.

    That begs the question, have they EVER filed real charges, like "in-the-ass-prison" charges or just civil suits? Don't they take years to resolve anyway?

  4. Lies? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1, Insightful

    More like mistakes.

    1. Re:Lies? by HexRei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mistakes? Fine. It's still fucked up to send threatening letters to people and companies who have done no wrong.
      The fact that their poorly-designed automated pirate-hunter software made the mistake doesn't alleviate them of responsibility.

    2. Re:Lies? by ralphart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I usually operate on the "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" principle, but here I'm thinking "Malice AND Stupidity"

  5. Overseas by Albanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Overseas, at least here in the UK, if you lose a court case you generally have to pay the other parties court costs. I can understand why you want people to be free to sue, but it seems that these days this is more a tool in favour of the big boys rather than a safety net for the little guy. Not that I expect the law to change, just making an observation.

  6. we hereby state... by robochan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state, und
    er penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner
    s of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification..."

    Is ANYONE that's gotten one of these ever going to call them on this bullshit and have them sent to jail for perjury?

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    1. Re:we hereby state... by drudd · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How are they purjuring themselves? They ARE authorized to act on behalf of the owner.

      That has nothing to with whether or not their action has merit.

      Doug

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    2. Re:we hereby state... by Patrick+Lewis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They aren't the owner of the TCL code. Thus, they are commiting perjury.

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    3. Re:we hereby state... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nor are they authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the TCL code.

    4. Re:we hereby state... by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They ARE authorized to act on behalf of the owner.

      ". . .of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification..."

      The people they represent are not the owners and have no such exclusive rights.

      KFG

    5. Re:we hereby state... by finkployd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How do you figure? Was the RIAA authorized to act on behalf of Professor Usher when demanding that he remove usher.mp3? That is literally what they are claiming.

    6. Re:we hereby state... by kirun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see what's wrong with falsely accusing somebody of something

      So is it OK if I come round to your town, and put up 1000 posters of your picture with the caption "Pedophile"? You'll soon discover there's plenty of harm that can come from a false accusation.

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    7. Re:we hereby state... by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rights they claim are being infringed are owned by the people they represent.

      Yes, and they claim that the material in question belongs to those people.

      They are NOT claiming that the rights of the person they are contacting are being infringed.

      Because the person whom they are contacting is, in fact the owner of the rights, and they say that the person they are contacting is infringing those rights, then they are *by definition* lying.

      Just because they are incorrect

      Being "incorrect" has nothing to do with it.

      They saw something they thought belonged to someone else, and instead of investigating to see if it *really was* what they thought it was, they sent a takedown notice. In this notice, they stated under penalty of perjury *THAT THEY REPRESENTED THE OWNER* - which they didn't.

      They made two mistakes. First, they didn't check that the file was what they thought. Second, they made an assertion that they were representing the legitimate owner. (Note, they *DID NOT* say "we think these files belong to Fox" - if they had, they would be off the hook.)

      They lied, get over it.

    8. Re:we hereby state... by crucini · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I love the fact that this comment is at zero, while those ignorantly claiming the opposite are modded up to "+5 insightful". Attention slashdotters: pandering to your prejudices is not insightful, especially when it's incorrect.

      When you amplify the voices that tell you what you want to hear, you end up in a deceptive coccoon of illusions. You are like toddlers wandering into the path of a freight train, immersed in your play and fantasy.

  7. Unexpected ??? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The collective neural network of the entertainment industry seems to have its feedback and error inputs turned off for a very long time. Exactly how much intelligence does it take to realize randomly harrasing customers alienates them ?

    The curious thing here is the dog that isn't barking. Where is the legal action against these companies for consistently, repeatedly and in the face of overwhelming evidence perpetrating the practice of harrasing legitimate users ?

  8. Where did the Season 1-7 come from? by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Okay, I can *almost* understand the xfiles part, though why they don't check themselves before sending these letters out is beyond me. But the part about the season?:

    Infringement Detail: Infringing Work: X-FILES, THE Season 1-7

    There is nothing on their website that I could see that discusses an "xfile" as anything other than some organization software and certainly not any "seasons." These folks are very arrogant in their assumptions that the word "xfile" will always mean the tv show of the same name.

    Cheers,

    Erick

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    1. Re:Where did the Season 1-7 come from? by jesterzog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the part about the season?:

      The filename cited was X-Files1.21b.tar.gz, and the directory containing it had a similar naming convention. It's almost certainly the "1.21" in the filename that triggered the season, and maybe even made their software think it was so likely to be an X Files episode.

      In common TV series terminology among studios and fans, "1.21" would often translate to season 1, episode 21. Their spidering script, or whatever it is, probably looks for patterns in a filename that match an episode. Something that looks like a series name could perhaps be doubted as infringing material on its own, but being followed by something that looks like an episode number might be appear to a lazily written script as confirmation that it is an infringement. It's too bad they don't check their facts.

      The complete name of the infringing work that they've cited in the letter (X Files, Season 1-7) would have come from mapping this name and episode number back to their database of whatever copyrights they hold. It's probably just been generalised to all seven seasons because they control copyright over all of them anyway, and don't feel the need to be more specific.

  9. But they said "Own it now!" by Datagod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How come all the posters at the movie store say "Own it now on DVD?" If I own it, I can do what I want with it. I guess the posters should say "Own the licence to view the material in the privacy of your own home without making any sort of archival copy...on DVD!"

  10. Re:Can't this work in reverse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That is their PUBLIC ftp server that the file is hosted on. Its not hacking.

  11. Guilty until proven innocent? NOT by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is definitely a surprising case of the guilty until proven innocent world that the DMCA provides

    Its is neither surprising nor does it have anything to do with "guilty until proven innocent". It is at best stupidity.

    I can send a letter to Cowboyneal stating that I own a copyright on the color green and he should change the color of the slashdot logo. That doesn't mean cowboyneal is guilty of anything. Lawyers have always sent nastygrams around long before the DMCA.

    The only thing new here is that they're sending out threatening letters without even bothering to have a human being take a quick glance at it. Well not new, it has been discussed here a long time ago.

  12. Under Penalty of Perjery ... by Physics+Dude · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "... we hereby state, pursuant to the Digit al Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their respective agents, or the law.

    Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification"

    Any casual look at the content of this 113kb file is enough to determine without a doubt that these are NOT infringing files. There should be a law against this type of harassment without so much as a glance at the facts.

  13. All this talk about the DMCA... by mrgreen4242 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    made me think of something... IANAL, so someone help me out here, but...

    Could I take a VIDEO TAPE (no deCSS, hence no violation of the DCMA) of a movie I own, encode it into , then encrypt it with some sort of trivial method and post it to a website with filename NAME_OF_MOVIE.xxx. Then wait to get a C&D from the MPAA.

    At that point could I demand how they are CERTAIN it is indeed a copy of their IP. If they actually decrypted the file and checked it wouldn't they be in violation of the DCMA? If they didn't wouldn't their claim be baseless, and hence perjurous (sp?) under the DCMA?

    Just a thought I had during my last 5 minutes of work...

    Rob

    1. Re:All this talk about the DMCA... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No.

      There are various technical reasons why your scheme wouldn't work. But the main reason really is that, as the saying goes, the law is not an ass. It's not like a set of absolutely hard rules, or a computer or anything, which I find a lot of people around here seem to not understand. Ultimately it's kept running by people, and little games like this tend to get those people pissed off at you. This then makes your life crappy, and tends to result in whatever plan you might have had not working in any respect whatsoever.

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  14. The right to name your files by Sowelu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't anyone worried that it may soon be illegal to have a file with a name like a copyrighted work? The ones in the 'article' may have been just coincidences, but if you start intentionally naming things after copyrighted works to get their bots' attention... well, who knows what depths of stupidity they could sink to? I think it's worth worrying about, and maybe even a legitimate legal question. Even if it is completely stupid.

  15. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it's time to create a bunch of bogus files and them everywhere...

  16. Re:OT by arkanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you're a little confused. In the natural state, there's no such thing as IP or copyright. There's no protection whatsoever. The only way you can keep someone from using your work is not to give to them. This leads to people not being willing to distribute works at all, or to do so only under very limited circumstances. However, society has a lot to gain from the dissemination of art - contrary to the increasingly popular capitalist viewpoint, people are about more than simply subsisting while producing capital. Therefore, in the interest of serving the public interest (not the public _need_ - a healthy society and a healthy person is based on a lot more than food, air, and water), we have IP law with provides you with certain protections _in return_ for publishing your work where other people can see it. The important part of copyright is not the protection it grants, it's the reason for those protections. There's no such thing as "artists rights". If someone wants his works to be copyrighted for eternity, he can fuck the hell off. He doesn't need to be part of our society. He's getting a certain amount of consideration from society in return for his being willing to publish his works and allow others to build off of them. The gimme gimme grabby attitude of the big copyright holders is sickening and downright immoral. It's given us total crap like "subconcious infringment".

  17. Are you fisting me?!?! by over_exposed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you really think that the XXAA is EVER going to run out of resources?
    Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
    Disney Enterprises, Inc.
    Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.
    Paramount Pictures Corporation
    TriStar Pictures, Inc.
    Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
    United Artists Pictures, Inc.
    United Artists Corporation
    Universal City Studios, LLLP
    Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.

    With companies like that backing them, how the HELL will they run out of money? That's just a partial list of their clients I'm sure...

    EVERYONE: While it would be fun to get your own autographed letter from the MPAA or RIAA and frame it in your cube, it's pointless. The "machine" that is the recording industry won't run out of postage or stupid ideas any time soon. We need a dramatic paradigm shift in societal thought patterns or legislation for any real change to occur.

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  18. Re:Petition court right back by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Even if the files they identify aren't what they say they are [...] I think going after them for perjury in the place you're looking is not on the right track.
    From the order:
    Specifically, we have identified the following material as infringing:
    [...]
    Infringement Detail:
    Infringing Work: X-FILES, THE Season 1-7
    Filepath: /pub/tcl/sorted/file/X-Files1.21b/
    Filename: X-Files1.21b.tar.gz
    [...]
    Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state, und
    er penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner
    s of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification
    They've identified some works (a bunch of TCL code, though they have gotten the title of it wrong) for which they claim copyright is being infringed, and futher claim that they represent the owners. This seems like a pretty open-and-shut perjury case to me, in addition to acting in bad faith.

    I don't think the fact that they didn't bother to make sure they had CORRECTLY identified the files should excuse them from this. When you make a statement under penalty of perjury, it is your responsibility to have your facts straight. The MPAA has obviously failed to do so.

  19. Re:Actually I think it COULD be seen as purjury by Facekhan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think those who send these automated notices should be liable for legal fees and any other costs incurred by the recipient if they prove to be baseless or were sent because a human being did not check the content of the file in question.

  20. penalty for false claim... by jdunlevy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps there should be a penalty for knowingly or carelessly making a false accusation?

    1. Re:penalty for false claim... by rfc1394 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps there should be a penalty for knowingly or carelessly making a false accusation?
      There is:
      Section 512. Limitations on liability relating to material online [ ]
      (f) Misrepresentations. -- Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section --
      (1) that material or activity is infringing, or
      (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,

      shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys' fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner's authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.
      - 17 U.S.C. 512(f)

      So the company that takes down the material, then puts it back up because of a counternotice, can obtain damages from the MPAA/RIAA or other organization that gives a false "take down" order. (They've had to expend expensive employee resources to remove or disable the offending material.) And the party who was falsely accused can sue for any damages (libel). Plus court costs and attorney's fees. Also, if it was taken down and it was, say, a shareware package that a third party was selling, that copyright owner would have a case against them as well (since it could have deprived them of sales) or may have damaged their reputation by accusing them of committing copyright infringement (or may constitute slander of title, one of the issues SCO is/was suing Novell over).

      Maybe just the threat of a public judgement in federal court against them for this would make them settle, just like these organizations have forced people who used file sharing systems to settle for stiff 4 and 5 figure private fines rather than face trial.

      Paul Robinson

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  21. A different response by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, instead of just filing a counter-notice, victims like this should take a different approach. Copyright law has penalties for trying to usurp or interfere with another person's copyrights. When a blatantly false notice like this is filed demanding the material be taken down, the victim should treat it as an ordinary attempt to falsely claim ownership of their copyrighted material and pursue it as such. Put the RIAA and MPAA on the receiving end of a copyright-infringement suit for a change.

  22. Use their search engines against them by StoatBringer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They're clearly just trawling the net for certain filenames. Perhaps thousands of us should create plain text files containing rude/amusing messages to these people, and give them names that their bots will pick up. They'd soon start looking stupid (well, *more* stupid) sending out thousands of automated letters to ISPs that were supposedly hosting "Return of the King" and "Spiderman 2" in twenty-byte files. They may try to poison the P2P file-sharers with duff files, so why not do the same to them to stop them using these bully-boy legal tactics against innocent people?

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