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Xbox 2 Concept Designs Leaked?

An anonymous reader writes "Two new images of what are reported to be Xbox 2 concept designs and logos , have recently been found on the internet. The designs are said to have been released by an anonymous tipster who claims to be part of a focus group for the Xbox 2. The anonymous member reports that he has more concept designs ready to release in the near future." Doesn't look to me like there's much credibility here, but they still look pretty.

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  1. Design by b0lt · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was thinking that it would look more like this

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    1. Re:Design by Directrix1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, me too. They've already assimilated enough people to be that size ;). But seriously now. Aren't we all passed this "console gaming fad" by now? Console software has gotten so mainstream, that it borders on the same bland universally applicable edge that modern movies do (or at least its getting that way fast). I thought consoles were great until I realized that the ONLY "innovations" that are really happening are just more polys/sec (wooh). Oh well, your money. Have fun.

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    2. Re:Design by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who the hell plays consoles for innovation?

      Yes, there IS innovation--usually in the form of games that do something not done before--but that's not the point.

      The point is a cheap way to play games at home. It's a way for your children or spouses or guests to play a game without violating the sanctuary of your PC lair.

    3. Re:Design by remin8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obviosly this is counter-intellegence being used by M$ instead of the Gov't! Just like when US military intellegence released fake photos of the stealth bomber and fighter in the mid to late 80s to counter a real intellegence movement that was going on! This is great for M$, they genereate buzz without comprimising their new design.

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  2. Xbox2 Mod? by Stefan+Fredriksson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the most important things that has made XBOX a somewhat sucess is the ability to mod it.

    Now, if you are a student for example now you need only one machine and you get a DVD player, a computer and a game-console in one box. All for a few hundred american money (inkl. harddrive and modchip)

    If they want to continue to grow they must make the XBOX2 "moddable".

    1. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by kryptkpr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they want to continue to grow they must make the XBOX2 "moddable".

      I think they're going to fight tooth and nail to make sure the XBOX2 is NOT moddable. They've traditionally sold the hardware at a loss, and made up for it in software. In their eyes, modchips are lost software revenue and only pirates use them.

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    2. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by Ianoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, the reason the X-Box has been so successful is because of marketing - people think it's a good games console (and it is). Modding consoles is still a "minority sport", modders themselves accounting for a relatively small portion of total sales.

    3. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by System.out.println() · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One of the most important things that has made XBOX a somewhat sucess is the ability to mod it.

      Actually, that made it a spectacular failure.

      Sure, there are a lot of XBox's floating around now, but don't kid yourself - Microsoft didn't make a dime on any of them. Console makers can offer such powerful systems for so cheap (both being relative, of course) because they traditionally take a loss on the system and make up for it in game sales and licenses. And owners of modded XBox's tend not to buy games.

    4. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You see, that's not necessarily the markeet Microsoft was going for. They did include a DVD player but that doesn't make them money, streaming media doesn't make them money. If a person buys an XBox, mods it for media and doesn't buy games

      The only thing that can let Microsoft make money on XBox is games and peripheral licencing. From that perspective, they have no incentive to make modding easy. If Microsoft hadn't bought so hard into the idea that the base consoles always lose money, it might be different, but then the console wouldn't have been so interesting to mod.

      I'm not arguing against users doing mods. While MS might sell more consoles, because of the mods, a lot of those additional consoles sold fall outside their intended market. I think they'd rather sell fewer consoles than make the system hackable.

    5. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by Ma�djeurtam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since it will have a G5 and (if I'm not mistaken) and probably something from ATi or nVidia, so we can assume that it will be transformable into a Mac clone without too much effort.

      Contrary to the legend, there's nothing proprietary in today's Macs, except for the G5 itself. The rest is well documented (PearPC helped a lot in that array).

      *That* would be an interesting mod!

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    6. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Informative

      From what I can gather, the methodology of their survey was to ask how many people modded their Xboxes in an online forum.

      I would expect the sampling bias from this methodology to be tremendous beyond all comprehension.

      Reader surveys in magazines don't sound much better either.

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    7. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by CountJoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      only pirates use them.

      Yarr, me matey

      Sorry, just getting ready for Talk Like A Pirate Day next Sunday (Sept. 19th)

    8. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by startled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "'One of the most important things that has made XBOX a somewhat sucess is the ability to mod it.'

      Actually, that made it a spectacular failure."

      I still haven't seen anything to pull me away from the third option: the small community of XBox modders hasn't had any significant impact on the success or failure of the XBox, or Microsoft's probability.

    9. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know that Gord isn't actually a god, right? Just like he was wrong with the Gamecube, he is wrong about the PS2 (though less so, at least). To make it to the US release on time, most of the PS2 consoles were quickly shipped by air. Needless to say, this is very very expensive, and Sony in no way recouped that cost when selling the initial PS2 shipments.

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    10. Re:Xbox2 Mod? by JustDisGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LOL - well this has turned into a fairly interesting (if odd) thread.

      Because people appear to be interested in details - here they are. I am a parent, though not of the children who presumably scratch the discs. While said children (who were sired by relatives and friends of mine) are being supervised, the games are invariably handled with care and respect. Yet *somehow* they still get scratched - usually the fault of the invisible "Not Me!" ghost often referred to in the Family Circus(c) comic strip.

      IMHO - the damage being done to my property is unrelated to my parenting skills or possible lack thereof. It would not be reasonable to supervise children playing with a toy 100% of the time, especially when they are 'old enough' to be responsible for themselves and their own conduct. FWIW, I happen to think I'm a reasonable broad-minded yet firm parent, who is doing as good a job as possible, given my daughter's circumstances. If you are truly interested in those circumstances, go ahead and PM me but I suspect that you realize by now that this is not relevant to the topic.

      On the topic of the modchip - I don't really care what other people do with it. It shouldn't affect how /I/ use it, or whether it's legal for /me/ to do so. I have no interest in gambling on the odds of other people being honest, either. IMHO, you're probably right and the vast majority of users are thieves and miscreants. Nevertheless, modchips don't pirate software, people do.

      As for the suggestion of 'locking it up', well that's a real fine idea but makes the idea of having a distraction (a.k.a. 'TOY') available for visiting children a significant pain-in-the-a** where allowing them to play a backup is little or no trouble whatsoever. I have no incentive or interest in placing additional controls on the behaviour of visiting children while they're playing. BTW - the kids that play these games are actually only playing games /rated/ appropriate for their age! How often does that happen?

      In closing, I would respectfully suggest that those who take issue with my parenting based on the comments prior and above should likely have a good close look in the mirror. You likely have avoidance issues that relate to some of your own problems. I would suggest you seek professional help, but me diagnosing your mental state in a Slashdot forum is only slightly more reasonable than your treatment of me. In fact, I would guess based on your comments that you're only slightly older than the children I refer to - probably in your late teens with no concept whatsoever of what a good parent is - perhaps you're the product of a single-parent situation. It would explain a lot of your anger.

      Feels good to have other people making assumptions about you, doesn't it?

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  3. Well by GT_Onizuka · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first link already got /.'d for the most part, but here's the Google Cache for the source site.

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  4. If this is true... by jmcmunn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Then it certainly looks much smaller than the current rendition of the Xbox. And from the sixe in the pics, it looks like it probably does not have a hard drive in it. Unless of course they went with a laptop drive, or something smaller then the standard desktop drive.

    I must say, I don't like the silver too much. I like the black of the current game systems, they blend into the rest of the entertainment center as is.

    it will be interesting a couple years from now (or next year?) when the next generation systems start coming out if this is what it really looks like. I don't believe for a second that this would leak out on accident, I would bet if these are real pics they were let out on purpose to see what reaction they get before they start making them for release.

    1. Re:If this is true... by karlowfwb · · Score: 3, Informative
      I like the black of the current game systems, they blend into the rest of the entertainment center as is.
      Except that most home theater equipment seems to be coming out in silver these days. Walk around Circuit City and you wont find hardly any black components anymore.
    2. Re:If this is true... by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, the industry switched from silver to black around 1990, and from black to silver around 2000.

  5. Re:Site's dead....some post a link! by ZenPirate · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously Microsoft is stopping us from viewing TEH SEKRIT PIKTURS!!1 OMG It's a ploy

  6. Re:4 post... by jmcmunn · · Score: 3, Informative


    Yes, Google does of the second link

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:rSxfAbK0YuA J: gaming.engadget.com/entry/9253838747326816/+&hl=en

  7. Re:Site's dead....some post a link! by kjamez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    yet another opportunity for me to point out that i think slashdot should mirror a site for 5 or 6 hours at least immediately as they post the link. or maybe just the images. cachedot.org

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  8. pics on engadget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  9. Could be Real by shplorb · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could very well be real.

    After all, they're so ugly and tacky they just have Microsoft Design Department written all over. =]

    1. Re:Could be Real by tolan-b · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah it's too small

  10. Silly article, really by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, at the moment the webserver is spitting out 503s, but let's consider the nature of this content. It's what the game console's *case*, a bit of molded plastic, might be made to look like. To be blunt, why does this matter? What gamer is concerned whether or not his game console has a red stripe or a blue stripe on it?

    Not only that, but even the technical specs (which haven't, AFAIK, been finalized yet) *still* wouldn't mean that much, even if they're a titch higher than the competitors (especially given the least-common-denominator nature of ports). I've played some awfully good games on low-spec systems (Heck, Tetris and Sobokan can be played on character-based systems, and the two still beat a ton of modern games in terms of fun and hours of enjoyable gameplay.)

    Even the previews that you get of games rarely have useful data in terms of informational content. No, it isn't until this beast is out and reviews for games start coming in that there's going to be really useful data about the XB2.

    1. Re:Silly article, really by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "It's what the game console's *case*, a bit of molded plastic, might be made to look like. To be blunt, why does this matter?"

      Maybe because that was one of the 'biggest' (gotta love the pun) problems with the first X-box ? It was considered -way- too big.

      I agree that at the current stage of development, the case is most likely (maybe even more so now) to be changed ; The new Gameboy DS also did a very quick overhaul in a few months ; and most of the changes put through there were based on the comments they got on the various trade shows.

    2. Re:Silly article, really by Lispy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "To be blunt, why does this matter?"

      Err, because it might be sitting in my livingroom?

    3. Re:Silly article, really by kryptkpr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe because that was one of the 'biggest' (gotta love the pun) problems with the first X-box ? It was considered -way- too big.

      Who really had this problem? I have an X-box, and I really couldn't care less that it's 3 times the size of my playstation.. as long as it fits on a shelf in my entertainment center and has a nice black color scheme to match the rest of my components. Are these people carrying their X-boxes around with them or something? It's a console.. 95% of people bring it home, set it up, plug it in, and don't move it ever again.

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    4. Re:Silly article, really by bluk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could point out that the usual response is that Japanese homes and other urban enviornments are limited in space and it was one of the biggest turnoffs for Japanese buyers. Without Japan, game consoles have traditionally not done well, etc., etc.

      But closer to home, the Xbox is probably the first console that many people did take outside of their homes because of the system link/network functions. If you've ever been to a college dorm or a place where there are lots of gamers, you should have seen at least a few multi-Xbox Halo parties or some other game. Compared to the Gamecube, moving the Xbox was a huge hassle. A Gamecube and controllers could fit in a backpack. The Xbox by itself would take up an entire backpack.

      It may not be a huge problem that would change someone's mind about purchasing the console, but it's one of those industry design things where it would be a lot nicer and more appealing if they did design it right. The Playstation 2 was hyped up better because it did look sleek and cool.

  11. "Focus Group" by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft did hold an XB2 dev group at building 20 recently so maybe these are real.

  12. A Coral mirror by slux · · Score: 4, Informative

    A Coral mirror of the site that first published these. Couldn't get the article link to load on coral anymore, but this is where they got it.

  13. So... by Viceice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is like pointing at a random article of concept art in a car manufacturer's library and saying "Introducing the new 2006 Chevy."

    Could it be? Yes, but so are the other 1000 art pieces. Would it be? Highly unlikely.

    A chance snapshot of a working Xbox2 prototype would be news, but this is Concept Art! Heck, I could go fireup LightWave and make you a new Xbox2 as well.

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  14. Just the Normal MS Marketing by 4r0g · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that this is just normal MS marketing practice to "leak" out information of an upcoming product to keep it in the headlines. Makes it more interesting when it finally ships. Just look at Longhorn, XP, 2000 (NT5 anyone?) and the rest.

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  15. other concepts.... by kc_cyrus · · Score: 5, Interesting
  16. Slow news day? by bbzzdd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot has taken to posting the fake Xbox2 pic of the week now?

  17. Xbox FS by PhotoBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Xbox FS could be a genuine name, a few months back I had an email from a GameSpot affiliated company asking if I wanted to participate in a questionnaire about "next generation consoles" (I guess I forgot opt out of emails from GameSpot affiliates).

    It didn't specify which next gen consoles in the email but most of the questions were about the next Xbox and what I thought of potential names, it also offered a potential logo which was like the current X logo but wrapped around a sphere.

    The other names that I can recall were Xbox HD, Xbox 360 and Xbox 247. Xbox 2 and Xbox Next weren't offered as options.

  18. highly derivative by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    The supposed Xbox 2 logo looks heavily "inspired" by Sony's recent Walkman logo, plus the Cingular logo, and a bit lile Microsoft's Office:mac logos (and the whole Aqua motif). Unless MS is going for the "me too" look, I don't think that one'll happen.

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  19. On the point of 'modding' by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I hope they will make it possible for custom content (like amateur mods) to be imported, and played on the Xbox 2 : I am sure that the demand to mod games like it is happening on PC's atm, will only increase in the future ; ifnot also raise gamesales, if customers know there is more content once the game is released.

    One free chance to be innovative for once for MS ;)

    then again, IIRC, they weren't going for a harddisk in there this time around (don't know for sure if this still stands) ; and this would make custom content (defenitely at the sizes mods come these days) nearly impossible.

    1. Re:On the point of 'modding' by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's exactly what MS wants to prevent. There is no money in having someone else make software for your system without paying licensing costs to be a mainstream game. Just because fan-generated content is often more innovative or stimulating than that which is pumped through the XBox marketing machine, does not mean that it fits the business model of the XBox (which is to practically give the hardware away, and then rake it in on selling 'official XBox' game status).

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  20. Make it a real Media Center by FerretFrottage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How's that for a desgin concept? I love the xbox because for ~$200 I can get a reburbed unit, a mod chip and a cheap 100+GB HD. Now I have the ability to view my family pics, my ripped CDs, camcorder pics on any tv I have the xbox connected to...many thanks to the developers of XMBC. I just started adding Linksys NSLU2 devices as file servers and the whole setup is getting that much more smaller (footprint wise) and quieter. Now is MS wasn't so anal about the "Not Invented Here" cause we control the world and its $$$, they could have really made some major market share in TV/PC convergence.

    I'm sure the xbox2 will be more locked down than so until espn 2k7 or Madden 2k8 really rocks over the current offers, its great to have the xbox.

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  21. FAKE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is fake.

    The XBox2 has a new connector for controller. This photo features traditional XBox controller connectors.

    1. Re:FAKE! by grumbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Will they use USB this time? Always wondered why neither Playstation2 nor XBox used USB for the controllers, after all they already have USB on board so why not use it and go proprietary instead? Do they really make any additional money out of this, especially since PC users can't use the gamepads for PC use without buying a converter first? Or is this just to lock out 'unworthy' gamepads in advanced so that users don't plugin their PC gamepads with not enough buttons into the console and then complain?

  22. This is news for nerds? by segmond · · Score: 4, Interesting

    pictures of an external box? i want specs, internal pictures, no one cares about how it looks.

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  23. I like the logo by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The new logo (if it -is- the new logo) looks quite cool ; If this a hoax, still some pretty clever design of the logo there.
    I don't like the current logo too much ; it doesn't really 'evoke an emotion' with me [/hippy shit]

  24. Photos also at engadget.com by FinalCut · · Score: 3, Informative

    you can see images of the "leaked" designs at: http://www.engadget.com/entry/9253838747326816/ they have pretty good bandwidth so will hopefully be less likey to be subject to the /. effect

  25. Because we like pretty things. by neuro.slug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously you don't get out much. Why do you think people buy BMWs when they could simply mod a Honda Civic and get the same performance? It's the experience of having a damn sexy car that feels damn good to drive. We, as a society, like pretty things (iPods, IKEA, Jaguar). Even *gasp* hardcore gamers love to make their PC pretty--in their own way--with neon lights and other mods.

    If we didn't like pretty things so much, our economy would collapse pretty darn quickly. The presentation of the new X-Box is not necessarily a deciding factor, but it's definitely a persuasive one.

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    1. Re:Because we like pretty things. by kayak334 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you think people buy BMWs when they could simply mod a Honda Civic and get the same performance?

      Because that's not reality?

      Most of us don't like to pour an additional $20,000 into an already shitty looking car to make it look shittier, sound like crap, and not actually perform as well as the car it is trying to be. Not to mention the hours of time one has to put into modding an entire car to make it into anything decent.

      Don't even get me started on the spoiler.

  26. Re:Slashdotted all right and Google doesn't cache by jjshoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rather then mod you down i figured i should mention that i see images in the google cache

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  27. Re:Slashdotted all right and Google doesn't cache by ricotest · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTF (cached) A. The images are on another server. Thanks to the Google cache we can see them through the site.

  28. And as an added side bonus... by Chmcginn · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can play a console game while running on the treadmill. Try doing that with a game that requires mouse & keyboard...

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    1. Re:And as an added side bonus... by Achorny · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Try playing a game that requires a keyboard and mouse on a console...

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    2. Re:And as an added side bonus... by Chmcginn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay, I know I'm ignoring the "Don't feed the..." signs, but... Why would I buy a PC for a grand or so, when I can buy an XBox for 150, do pretty much the same stuff, and have it on a much bigger screen.

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  29. Karma whoring mirror. by EvilCabbage · · Score: 2, Informative
  30. Re:Controller Ports? by lowe0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cost, no force feedback, batteries (unless you integrate rechargeable batteries, which costs even more), and the opportunity to sell you their own wireless controller a couple months down the road.

  31. Re:4 post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    For the HTTP impaired.

    link

  32. USB by EnglishTim · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a few reasons:

    a) You don't want people plugging in all sorts of USB devices and then bitching because they don't work. Where are you going to get the drivers?

    b) The physical USB plug is not well suited to consoles. It's not always immediately obvious which way up it plugs in - remember young children haveto be able to put these things in and out. Also, they don't tend to 'click' in all that well - you don't want something that comes unplugged easily. Finally, because they are quite small, they're probably not as robust as most console plugs.

  33. Only pirates use mods? by Amata · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Situation for ya. Not even hypothetical:

    I am an American citizen. Good ol' USA. Or something. I have a job that has me living in South Korea right now. So I either have to own 2 of every hardware that reads region-encoded media to deal with all of my perfectly legally purchased DVDs and games, both here and back in the states, or I can just buy one hardware and force it to read all regions. A nice byproduct being that I can get this one hardware to also read more types of media, but that's neither here nor there.

    In the near future my job could easily have me working in Europe. That's another region. So I'd either have to buy more hardware to deal with that region, or just use my regionless hardware that I already had.

    Doesn't sound plausible? Just ask any US Soldier.

    1. Re:Only pirates use mods? by kryptkpr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, they want you to buy 2 of every hardware... In the game console world it's all about market share, and the more systems are "out there" the better.

      If this isn't what they wanted, then they wouldn't have forced region codes onto a console that has no trouble outputting whatever signal is necessary.

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  34. Re:Xbox Reloaded? by Lewis+Daggart · · Score: 2, Funny

    Eh, next we'll have the XBox - Revolutions

  35. Playstation 3 pictures leaked by teko_teko · · Score: 2, Funny
  36. iPod, IKEA, Jaguar? by sita · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We, as a society, like pretty things (iPods, IKEA, Jaguar).

    IKEA is good design value-for-money, but it is definitely world class design. They are simply not in the game of groundbreaking nor exclusive design.

    Why do you think people buy BMWs when they could simply mod a Honda Civic and get the same performance?

    Indeed this is what you get when you buy IKEA. Modded second-class furniture that almost looks like first-class furniture. But it's good price-performance, so people buy it.