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One-Watt Wireless Radio Modem Reaches 40 Miles

maxstreampr wrote in to plug their radio modem. It's the size of a credit card, one watt, and can transmit 40 miles line of sight or 3000 feet indoors. Something about using the AT command set to fire off a command 40 miles through the air amuses me.

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  1. what about when you go under a bridge? by LazyPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    makes me think of riding around in the AM radio days and going silent when going under an overpass.

    1. Re:what about when you go under a bridge? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...for those of us lucky enough to live close to Chicago (I'm just over 100 miles away), we can continue to experience the wonderful long-range AM radio while we listen to Pat Hughes and Ron Santo cover the Cubs game on radio 720.

      It comes in great on my car, but hardly at all on any of my other radios. Of course, there are a few spots I avoid because they kill the reception. I'll even drive five miles out of the way just to avoid that patch.

  2. Denial of service attack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    +++ATH0 on a cloudy day. With a repeater.

  3. Why do we even need the Internet? by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Funny

    If everyone bought one of these and ran them in peer-to-peer mode, we could all dump our ISPs!

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    1. Re:Why do we even need the Internet? by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn, I knew I should have actually read the article!!!

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    2. Re:Why do we even need the Internet? by YankeeInExile · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you could live with a shared media with a peak throughput of 115 kbits, sure.

      I do not want to rain on anyones parade, but ISM band FHSS FSK modems are kinda cool-for-1997 ...

      That being said, if maxstream had a reasonable price for onesey twoseys, (Their web site has a promotion for what appears to be this series at USD 90 for qty ten) there could be some cool hack value for moderately low speed stuff in portable projects.

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  4. Re: One-Watt Wireless Radio Modem Reaches 40 Miles by Scoria · · Score: 5, Funny

    Additionally, rumor has it that this device will burn a hole in your pocket. (Thank you, I'm here all week.)

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  5. Okay, I'll do it by koreth · · Score: 5, Funny
    Someone's going to, so it may as well be me...

    "Site" - a location.

    "Sight" - something visual.

    "Line of sight" - a line along which you can see (i.e., an unobstructed line.)

    "Line of site" - evidence that what you've written matters so little to you that it's not worth the effort to proofread. You don't care; why should we?

    1. Re:Okay, I'll do it by Requiem · · Score: 3, Funny

      You beat me to it. Keep the flame of the English language burning, my friend.

  6. Calling Long Distance by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) is used with a 256-bit key, the highest encryption standard available.

    The real question is, did they use Lexar programming techniques?

  7. Did anyone else read this... by Ignignot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Using the AT command to set a fire 40 miles off? Or has it just been too long a day at work? My office has been regularly swept for mines.

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  8. What kind of antenna?? by ARRRLovin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What kind of antenna did they use? "High gain" isn't all that descriptive.

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    1. Re:What kind of antenna?? by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

      What kind of antenna did they use? "High gain" isn't all that descriptive.

      A thin, copper one, 40-miles long. :-)

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    2. Re:What kind of antenna?? by YankeeInExile · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do the math ...

      Po = +30 dBm
      path loss over 64km at 915 MHz: -130
      Pr = -100 dBm ... let's see ... at 9600 bps it requires -103 so that gives you 3 dB of fade margin even with isotropic radiators.

      Put a +6dBi yagi (I think that is the maximum allowed on ISM under Part 47 anyway) at each end and you've got 15dB of fade margin, which should give you a couple of orders of magnitude of BER performance (the datasheet was notably lacking a BER / EbNo chart ).

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  9. Credit Card Sized? by icekillis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you mean PCMCIA-sized?

  10. Speed by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The speeds indicated look too slow to be useful except for remote low overhead / slow data acquisition stuff.

    9600 baud is pretty darn slow, even with compresion.

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  11. Quick follow-up by joranbelar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently, the editors are hedging their bets on this one: I keep hitting reload, and the submission text alternates between "line of sight" to "line of site".

    1. Re:Quick follow-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      By not RTFA, I'm trying to maintain both spellings in a quantum state.

    2. Re:Quick follow-up by mikael · · Score: 4, Funny

      By replying to this anonymous post, I am aiming along the "line of cite".

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  12. Not very impressive by jandrese · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow, that's some marketing. The "40 miles" claim is when you're in deep space and using high gain antennas. Actual performance will be less than a mile. Also, in case people want to compare this with 802.11 (which is difficult because they are in different bands), a typical 802.11b card radiates 30mW, instead of the 1W these guys are apparently claiming. The data rate is nothing exceptional either, 115.2kbps (and these are 1000 bits/kb sized), which pales in comparison to 802.11g at ~55000kbps. This technology would have a much higher "wow" factor 5 years ago, but nowadays that kind of range for that kind of throughput just isn't all that new or special.

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    1. Re:Not very impressive by javaxman · · Score: 3, Interesting
      From TFM :
      * Up to 3000 feet range (Indoor/Urban environments, @9600 RF data rate)

      We're talking about this thing for what reason?

      CmdrTaco, please, drink some Jolt and wake up. That's twice in one day you've made me want to smack you around for wasting my time. 9600 baud? Really, why would we want to use this?

      To compare this to 802.11b, they have what looks like a version that operates in the 2.4GHz band, guess what? 1500ft range, at 9600 baud.

      While I'll admit this thing might have some very specific uses, like remote data collection where you don't have a lot of data, but you want it delivered at regular intervals over a distance where it'd be hard to put in relays or run a real link... but the damn thing costs more than $400, so if you *can* use 802.11g instead, you'll probably want to!

  13. RF distance can be surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For what it's worth, I once used a 5 watt HF radio to contact the Canary Islands from Atlanta, GA. The signal was not strong, but we had no trouble carrying on a brief conversation. RF is pretty amazing stuff when the conditions are right.

  14. 9600 baud 'em by phyruxus · · Score: 4, Funny
    Mordac: I am Mordac, preventer of information services! I deny your request for specifications! In retribution for disturbing me, I sentence you to one month without email!

    Dilbert: okay.

    Mordac: What?! No engineer gives up email so easily. Assume the position!

    Dilbert (at home, to Dogbert): So, he found the modem strapped to my ankle, but he missed my wireless pen modem.

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  15. Nothing amazing here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Amateur radio operators have been doing this for years. The higher the antenna, the better. Put up a tower, say 50-60ft, put the antenna on top using good feedline and fittings, and you will get out to good distances. Better yet, take your laptop up to a mountain location, and you will be able to tx and rx for easily many times that distance. Hams do this routinely.

    1. Re:Nothing amazing here by dougmc · · Score: 3, Informative
      But only with a license.
      Yes, but it's not hard to get one.
      I'm assuming they're unlicensed.
      Well, they're likely FCC certified, but the spectrum they use is unlicensed, so ...
      Obviously there are, but what are those limits?
      For most of the unlicensed bands, under 1 watt. The WiFi `shootouts' and the like typically do not use amplifiers at all (microwave amplifiers are expensive), just high gain antennas, though I don't think the Part 15 rules (which is what things like this and WiFi are allowed under) allow the use of high gain antennas for transmitting. (If correct, this is very often violated, though obviously the FCC doesn't care that much.)

      As for encryption, it's only the ham rules (part 97) that prohibit encryption. They also require that you ID yourself at the end of each message (and at least every 10 minutes) and that the usage be non-commercial. The FCC itself doesn't frown upon encryption, at least not publically.

      I guess I need to read up on my FCC rules
      Yup. This link might be an interesting place to start.
  16. Wow! by Guano_Jim · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm using one of these right now and it's gr345l;@!@*!bbg

    NO CARRIER

  17. In the army (in Finland) by Aggrajag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Our radiolinks (which are like wi-fi) were sending line-of-sight transmissions, 9600 baud, with about 3 milliwatts. I cannot remember the frequencies we used but they were in the microwave range so I'm not sure it's comparable with the radiomodems mentioned in the article using 900 MHz band. Cool stuff anyway!

  18. no time penalty by airConditionedGypsy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:

    No time penalty is incurred during AES encryption or decryption.

    That's pretty interesting. Perhaps they meant to say that there is no additional processing overhead beyond that which is introduced by performing the full number of rounds for a 256 bit key in hardware.

    It seems you still need a shared secret. I assume it isn't doing any authenticated Diffie-Hellman to establish a session key.

    Sorry, it's just kind of irritating when you hear things like "security through encryption." Great. You get integrity protection and data confidentialy while the data is in trasit. There are many other opportunities for an attacker to get your data besides when it's flying around in mid-air.

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  19. it's 900MHz by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 3, Informative

    40 miles alone is not impressive, HAMs talk all over the world on less than a watt (QRP) routinely, on HF bands off-course

    But than I read this modem works on 900MHz, so that's quite a feat, worthy of a "Pringles can award"

  20. /.ed by TarlCabbot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like their web server went under a bridge.

  21. Re:Speed: defense of 9600 baud by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although 9600 could never handle today's internet and web activities, it is amazingly fast for TTY and CLI type applications. Having started with 110 baud mechanical TTY and 300 baud acoustical coupler modem on a green screen, I well remember my first experience with a 9600 baud hardwired Lear Siegler terminals -- WOW very fast.

    9600 baud is good enough for modem-to-modem chat, e-mail via pine, text processing with vi or emacs, or almost any *nix command. Thinking about this reminds me of how terribly bloated everything has become with verbose formatting and styling of pages. Pictures may be worth a 1000 words, but they require 10 to 100 times the bandwidth of those words.

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  22. Re:Ad Dot by funkdid · · Score: 3, Funny
    I was just thinking that I like slashdot and it's ok if they put a well placed ad here or there if it keeps up the high quality of this site. Maybe they'll be able to make it even better. Maybe they'll start to patent some of the features of slashdot, and trademark some of the slashdot esque things about it. Maybe they'll pick up some closed source companies that make a nice product and then open source them. Maybe they'll become a portal for all types of news, not just "news for nerds". Then perhaps they'll start to consider spinning Slashdot off of OSDN, take it public. Then they'll sell stock in some odd dutch auction, and offer 1 Terabyte of storage in the new "slashmail" beta free e-mail service.....

    Seriously all companies (and governments) turn out the same eventually. Just like with google, we'll be sitting around one day commenting "Remember when slashdot was that indie little "news for nerds" site?

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  23. How can you tell if someone is a complete geek? by Omega1045 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Q: How can you tell if someone is a complete geek?

    A: If they say, "Something about using the AT command set to fire off a command 40 miles through the air amuses me."

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  24. 1000 Miles per watt award by leighklotz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In ham radio, there's a 1000 miles per watt award that's not particularly hard to get....I made 1842 miles per watt (Palo Alto, California to Sakhalin Island in Russia) using a data modulation called PSK-31 and a wire antenna on my roof, and just over 1000 miles per watt from San Luis Obispo, CA to Estonia using CW: 5700 miles with 4.5 watts to a 28 foot wire thrown from a second-story window into a small tree, running on a pack of AA batteries.

  25. Well, at least... by ph43thon · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...they didn't use "line of cite"

  26. Re:problems by ajlitt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mr. Anonymous Coward... Let me take this opportunity to introduce you to Mr. Inverse-square Law.

  27. Re:Distant Horizon. by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So, what planet is this 40-mile line of sight transmission designed for?

    Don't be cynical. I can look out my office window and see a mountain which is 65 miles away from here. The world is not a "totally flat plain or ocean."

    Do you live in the Midwest or something? The entire world isn't all like that, you know!