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XM Radio Plans Online Music Service

Grump writes "Diving into the already crowded online music business, XM Radio Online, will launch sometime in early October and operate commercial-free, just as its satellite programming does. XM will charge $7.99 per month for unlimited listening and offer a discount rate of $3.99 to subscribers of its existing radio services."

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  1. Hope they don't mind me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Time-shifting the broadcasts using Total Recorder.

  2. Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    XM's "add streaming of our music online" for $3.99 sounds like a pretty cool deal when taken alone, but their main competitor Sirius actually includes that feature for free with purchase of the main subscription. They'll even offer a 3-day trial of the streaming service for non-subscribers in the hopes of convinving people to sign up based on that. Of course, Sirius charges $3 a month more than XM for their base subscription.

    1. Re:Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      $7.99/mo sounds pretty good if you don't want an OTA subscription.

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    2. Re:Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by nvrrobx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (Disclaimer: I'm a Sirius customer and shareholder)

      I would hope that XM uses higher quality streams than Sirius. I tried to use Sirius's streams from work, but since I'm confined to a set of headphones, it sounds absolutely atrocious.

      XM has to do something now that they've axed the XMPCR!

    3. Re:Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by helix400 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Another online radio competitor is Yahoo's launchcast

      They do an excellent job. The free version is very nice, and the full version is $3-$4 a month. The free version has lots of programmed stations already in, and it uses your tastes and ratings to constantly build your own radio station. This isn't a shameless plug...I just really like it. The variety in the music I want to hear makes perfect background music while at work.

      The downside is that it only works with IE. Boo!

    4. Re:Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by swankypimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't have to download anything, though. Searching a music catalog is limited by your memory: instead of thinking, "gee I want to listen to that obscure Twisted Sister B-side from the early eighties," you can tune in to XM's hair metal channel and it will probably come on. On my vacation, I kept the rental car's radio tuned in to that very channel, and I couldn't believe how many times I heard something that I only vaguely remembered but liked, and never would have thought of searching for. (Especially when it comes to one hit wonders whose names you don't recall.) For this reason, some people prefer paying professionals in the given genre to find content for them.

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    5. Re:Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by JPriest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was an XM subscriber for about a year and currently use Sirus's online subscription at work. I think the sound quality of Sirus is fine and I think they have better content on their stations.

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    6. Re:Nice attempt... but competitor's already there! by lavaface · · Score: 3, Interesting
      couldn't believe how many times I heard something that I only vaguely remembered but liked, and never would have thought of searching for.

      And this is why it would be friggin' awesome if there was a SD card in the car radio and a button called "remember this song." Later on, you could take the card out of the car, pop it on your PC and buy the songs you totally forgot about. In my case, this would be more useful for flagging great songs I hear on the local college radio and community stations. Oftentimes, I can't stick around to hear who a particular artist is but I want to check them out later. Yes, it's analog radio now, but maybe when they switch to digital it will be possible. I'm not holding my breath . . .

      (I actually would like it even better if there was a button that, when pushed would donate a quarter to directly to the artist and give me the right to download the song. It seems like a better distribution model for both consumer and producer. Unfortunately, I don't think the middlemen would quite latch on to the concept ; )

  3. yep by BoldAC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It makes perfect sense (cents?)

    They already have the structure setup to spit out tunes and news. As people get addicted to it in their car, they'll naturally want it at their desk too...

    Wouldn't surprise me if they offer it for a cheap add-on to their existing service.

    1. Re:yep by jerw134 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, it would be awesome if they offered it to existing subscribers for like $3.99 or something. Hopefully they do it!

    2. Re:yep by dykofone · · Score: 3, Funny
      It'd be really cool too if they made most of their receivers portable, like so you're not stuck only listening to it in the car. Like, just have this little adaptor that the receiver can plug into, and you can quickly switch it between car, office, home. They could even make a boombox sorta thing!

      Yeah, right, but when is a big company like XM gonna cater to the demands of their fans and customers....

  4. kexp.org is excellent and free by Dan667 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am sure there are numerous others free online services for different genres of music. Why would you shell out for this?

  5. Not impressed by Spazholio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sirius already offers this included in the cost of their service. Hell, you don't even need to be a subscriber to use it. You can sign up for a 3-day trial, wait for it to expire, then sign up again (according to their customer service).

    Oh, and XM isn't 100% commercial-free, where Sirius is.

    1. Re:Not impressed by wikki · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually neither XM or Sirius are 100% Commercial Free. The news, talk and variety stations have commercials. However the music stations on both are commercial free.

    2. Re:Not impressed by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

      XM's music channels are commercial-free, stuff like the radio station mirrors, I think there are 4 music stations that way, and the sports and news stations are not commercial free.

      Everything else is.

  6. Not off-topic mods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please pay attention! XM caused some trouble for the guy that wrote software to timeshift XM using their usb device.

  7. Um, hello, Sirius is already online for FREE. by MufasaZX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All Sirius Sat Radio subsribers can listen to all their audio streams online for free (as in beer) for the past several months, how can XM possible claim this type of service is 'new and special' and charge for it???

    1. Re:Um, hello, Sirius is already online for FREE. by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Free as in beer" doesn't quite describe what's going on here. It's closer to "Free as in the toy in a Cracker Jacks box" in that it's free if you're already purchasing the main subscription which just happens to cost more than XM's...

    2. Re:Um, hello, Sirius is already online for FREE. by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, they're also like 32kbit MP3 streams that sound like complete shit.

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    3. Re:Um, hello, Sirius is already online for FREE. by Manitcor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sirrus also costs about $3-$4 more a month for the regular service. So you ARE paying for the online service with Sirrus even if you don't want it. At least XM gives you the choice.

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  8. Re:discount rate of $3.99 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am serious, and please stop calling me Shirley.

  9. Just music or all of the XM menu? by erick99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I wish the article had specified whether or not the online service will include the non-music channels such as the sports channels or just music. Since the title is XM Radio Online and it is, I think, replacing the XM PC reciever, then wouldn't it seem that it is for all of the XM service? However, why charge $7.99 for an online version of XM Radio instead of the $9.99 charged if you own the radio receiver? The article does refer to it as a "online music service" as well as XM Radio Online so it's not 100% clear if it just for the music channels or all of the channels. Well, maybe somebody knows?

    Erick

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  10. Timeshifting? by ticklemeozmo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Only if I can get a ripper.

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  11. streaming vs. audience choice by twizzlybear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    not sure how this is different from any number of countless other free streaming music resources on the internet... i think the bigger question is, do people want streaming of someone elses choice or do they want unlimited choice of their own? we may all jump quickly to the conclusion that we'd like 100% choice all of the time, but there is quite a phemonemon emerging as of late called tivo-itis, where so many are observed getting stuck in ruts at their own content programming ineptitudes and gleefully leap back to pre-programmed channels very interesting topic and one that will certainly continue to impact media markets as VOD and other viewer choice options emerge and are able to compete with pure pre-programmed options

  12. News Flash! by BadMrMojo · · Score: 5, Funny

    John Smith of Nowhere, PA is reportedly not planning an online music store. We have yet to receive official confirmation that Mr. Smith, a 72 year-old retired janitor at Nowhere Middle School who is a local hero after bowling a 300 game back in '86, is indeed without plans for opening an online music store at any point within the next 6-12 months. Neighbor and long time friend Bob Jones was quoted as saying, "Nope. Y'uns gotta believe it... he ain't never thought of it a'once."

    We'll have more on this breaking story as it develops.

  13. Re:XM radio? by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 5, Funny

    >I use FM radio and don't have any complaints

    Are you in some bizarro world where FM doesn't run 20-25 minutes of commericials per hour?

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  14. Do they have a clue? by mfrnka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now this after killing XM on the PC? I'm beginning to think XM seriously doesn't "get it". While I enjoy Rhapsody where I can stream what I want, when I want, there are tons of free internet radio stations I can already available. If they keep up these tactics, I'll soon be cancelling my two XM subscriptions.

  15. Its called shoutcast by tenchi90 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The winamp plugin shoutcast is an onlien radio service that has 1,000 channels + ITS FREE!

  16. Is it compatible with mozilla? by Armethius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The key question for me is whether it is compatible with non-IE browsers. I would love to sign up for Rhapsody, but they are IE only.

  17. Re:XM radio? by cubicledrone · · Score: 3, Funny

    where FM doesn't run 20-25 minutes of commericials per hour

    Oh, it's great! Especially when you hear a song you really like and think, "oh, that's really a nice song--" YOUUUOOUUUVE GOT THE GReeEEeeEEN LAYYYYGHT boomboomboomboomboomboom chuckachuckachuckachucka ARE YOU PAYING MORE FOR YOUR HOME LOAN?? REFINANCE AGAIN AND SAVE 47 CENTS TODAY!! SPECIAL PRICE FOR TEN REFINANCES BY TUESDAY!! CALL NOW CALL NOW CALL NOW CALL NOW

    Yeah. I think we've had enough commercials for a while.

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  18. Fugitaboutit! by MonkeyGone2Heaven · · Score: 4, Informative


    I'm paying $3.95/mo. for a VIP membership at Live365.com. Sure, I paid for 12 months in advance to get that rate, but you still only pay $5.95/mo. on a month to month basis. No adds, no pop-ups, good audio quality (for streaming audio), and with 10K+ streams available, no boredom. It's one of the few things keeping me sane during the workday.

  19. Re:XM radio? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to mention the fact that say, a Classic Rock FM station has the same play list, and they have had the same play list for the last 20 years?

    2-4 Zeppelin songs.
    1-3 Rush songs.
    3-5 AC/DC songs.
    1 Jethro Tull song.
    A Dead block in the middle of the night on a weekend.
    5-9 other misc songs.

    Repeated over and over since 1984.

    XM radio, I've heard classic rock bands I've never heard before, like Sweet, Moot the Hoople, MSG, UFO, etc.

  20. Re:discount rate of $3.99 by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A "discount" rate? Why is it not free?

    Because they're a business. Because they have expenses.

    LK

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  21. When will the first Time Trax for this be out? by dgrgich · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll bet the RIAA will be looking at this extra-crispy close . . . after that whole XMPCR deal turned into an MP3 factory program.

  22. Can't comment on Sirius, but... by diamondsw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I actually think this might work. I've always been skeptical of business models based on people paying for a music subscription rather than downloads. People like the idea that years down the line it's still theirs, and is always theirs.

    This gets around it by having a receptive audience already in place - XM subscribers who effectively pay for commercial-free music streaming already. This just adds it to their computer as well as their car, etc.

    Nice move.

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  23. usb tuner bad, online good? by sPaKr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is insane. Why should you waste bandwidth for online radio? when they have (had) a usb adapter that could tune the same radio they are beaming into your home and head? Yes.. I should have to pay for isp bandwidth and radio service.. instead of just radio service.. ugh.

  24. Interesting debate by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is actually a bonus to having a DJ on a station, it gives it a more "human" feel to it, whereas no DJ starts seeming like Muzak.

    XM typically handles the balance well though, their DJs usually talk far less than FM DJs. Bodhi and Grant Random, the two DJs that appear on Squizz (XM's hard rock channel) are really good, and a good example of "not too much, not too little".

    So reasons to get XM over FM:
    a) Variety, there's so much more you will hear on XM you'll never hear on XM
    b) No commercials
    c) Quality, and never needing to change channels because you're out of range. Of course you may want to change channels because you want to hear something different. I have 4 of my 6 car's FM presets set, and most of the time I only use one of them. On my Roady, I've filled all ten of my presets and use them all.

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  25. Re:So the real question is... by digitalgiblet · · Score: 4, Informative
    My vote goes to XM. I've been a listener for over a year now and I love it. I primarily picked them because they had way more subscribers, and I wanted to minimize the risk of paying a few hundred dollars for equipment and then have the company fold leaving me with useless junk.

    For a while some of the music stations had commercials, then early this year they switched to a plan where the MUSIC stations have no ads. Sure, Sirius was doing that first, but what do I care? I was just glad XM copied that idea.

    From the CNET article I couldn't tell if they will be streaming their current broadcasts or what.

    Again, Sirius has been doing that, but they ALREADY charge a few dollars more a month than XM.

    Will I pay the extra $4 a month for internet streaming? I don't know.

    I currently have a Delphi unit that I can dock in my car or office. Two problems: 1) I have a "home" docking kit at work and it is a pain in the neck (and back and legs and shoulders) to crawl under my desk to unplug the power cord then wrap up the antenna cord, etc to move it. I'll probably just get the boombox eventually for home use. 2) My office is mostly below ground so my reception can be spotty. I'm actually receiving a bounced terrestrial signal, so it is pretty weak. I usually get in pretty early and I get perfect reception until everyone else shows up and start firing up monitors, etc. Long about 9-10 am I have to wiggle and fiddle with the antenna to keep the signal. I actually have a pretty good mental map of the EM fields in my office now... I'm like a riverboat pilot navigating through the rocks.

    As for which service plays the best music... that totally depends on what music you think is good. We all have our opinions about what is good music, so that really boils down to a personal decision. I personally like the clasic country (a big "salute" to Nrray, Kilroy and Catfish -- the Hank's Place guys *might* remember me as ShiftKicker from the whole episode where Tigger went off the deep end...), jazz and international stations on XM, but find the rock stations lacking a little. I have listened to the freeby Sirius streams on the net and pretty well found it to be the opposite. I didn't care for their country selections, but really liked their eclectic rock station... If you like hip hop, rap or urban (other than Motown and occassional funk) I can't help you. Not my bag...

    On the non-musical side of things, I really, really like several of the XM stations. Particularly XMPR (the new XM Public Radio -- guilt free, since I pay monthly... and I'm really happy that Bob Edwards will be debuting there next month), Radio Classics, Sonic Theatre and CNN. Good stuff. I have a long, ugly commute and I find that radio drama is just the ticket for taking the edge off.

    I know I'm one of probably three /.ers that like country music, but I have to give credit to a few shows on XM that are outstanding. One is Chartistry. They compile a show of top hits all built around a different theme each time. Their Johnny Cash show was amazing. Another show I love is Bill Anderson Visits With The Legends. Bill is a great singer/songwriter himself and a former DJ who is really good at getting legendary performers to open up and tell great stories. They play songs they are discussing. Just great! Nrray does a really good morning show. Never thought someone from New Jersey would have a great country show, but he does. He also does a couple other cool shows like Outlaw America. A couple weeks ago he played all Dwight Yoakam and it rocked.

    One last thing... Hank's Place is nuts... in a good way. They basically roleplay (to use a word /.ers will identify with...) on air that Hank's Place is a Texas honkey tonk that never closes. Lots of people call in and go along with the conceit. Occassionally they have "story arcs" that last from day to day. One listener who goes by "Tigger" threatened to shoot down the warplane of another listener and then everyone chose up sides! This lasted for two or three days and was a hoot.

    OK, if that doesn't give you an idea what XM is like, then I'm sorry I wasn't long winded enough!

  26. It is NOT commercial free, or is it? by clamboat · · Score: 3, Informative
    XM Radio Online, will launch sometime in early October and operate commercial-free, just as its satellite programming does.

    Am I missing something or is the "commercial free" line complete BS? I rented an Avis car a few weeks ago that had XM satellite radio in it. It seemed like it was as bad as AM radio! I listened to the two comedy selections they had, raunchy and nice, and both were filled with ads. Many of the ads were for XM sattelite service itself, but there were other ads for the same kind of crap you would find on any station. The same was true for their political stations, both left-leaning and right-wing. The brichure int he car made the same claim, that the satellite service was "commercial free". Far from it.

    1. Re:It is NOT commercial free, or is it? by eyeota · · Score: 2, Informative

      XM claims to have 100% commercial free music stations. These are the stations within their control. Other feeds (take fox news), because they're rebroadcasting another feed (it's live tv, without the pic) can't prevent adds. XM, can, detect commercials in streams and replace it with their own. I can't comment on the comedy stations--I don't know where their feeds are from.

    2. Re:It is NOT commercial free, or is it? by haighworld · · Score: 2, Informative

      The music channels are commercial free, the other stations do have commercials (in the case of talk/news that is piped in from another source, they need to fill those commercial breaks with something, so why not ads I guess).

    3. Re:It is NOT commercial free, or is it? by Chester+K · · Score: 2, Informative

      Am I missing something or is the "commercial free" line complete BS?

      XM is only commercial free on its music channels. All of the other channels have varying levels of commercials, depending on their source. Their comedy channels, which are mostly pre-recorded bits, have relatively few commercials; while the stations where they rebroadcast talk radio have about the average number of commercials (which makes sense, since they are just rebroadcasting a standard radio stream, and the hosts still need to take regular breathers regardless of the carrier).

      The thing that's most annoying about the spot sets on XM's non-music channels is the fact that advertisers seem to be overlooking XM, so you get the same six commercials and XM promos, every break.

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    4. Re:It is NOT commercial free, or is it? by P.J.+Hinton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I am an XM subscriber.

      The music channels are commercial free. XM makes no false pretenses about other channels. The closest thing that you get to a commercial on the music channels that the DJ might mention a show on another XM channel.

      Content that comes from third party sources may include breaks for commericals because they are carried on commercial radio stations. That's just the way those shows are created. They don't make a commercial free version of Al Franken or Michael Savage.

      For example, talk radio material comes from major syndicators (e.g. Premier Radio Network, Talk Radio Network, Air America, and ABC Radio Networks). Those shows are programmed to have hard breaks. Go check the websites for the syndicators for the clocks.

      Same goes for the simulcasts of the cable news channels (Fox News Channel, MSNBC, CNN, etc.) and the sports radio channels (Fox Sports, Sporting News, and ESPN Radio).

      In many instances, the space used for commericals is populated by a number of non-advertisement filler features and blurbs. Among those I've heard:

      Audio Book Cafe (description of new audio books)
      Between the Lines (interview with authors)
      Earth and Sky (science and nature news)
      Film Clips (movie reviews from Mike Reynolds)
      Country Music Report (Natalie Windsor)
      Megabyte Minute (tech news)
      Into Tomorrow (tech news with Dave Graveline)
      Technofile (tech news with Lazlow)
      NASCAR News (reports from Clarie B. Lang)

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