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Longhorn's Copy Protection Standard

hype7 writes "The Register is reporting that Microsoft have attempted to force a last-minute CD protection standard on the recording industry in order to ship it in Longhorn. From the article: "Any such deal would see Microsoft support 'an industry-wide copy control platform' built in to its next-generation Longhorn operating system, with the computer giant instructing labels that the compatible secure CDs must contain additional multimedia content, such as bonus tracks, 'as a quid pro quo for adding effective [DRM] into the consumer experience'". It looks like everyone except the consumer is going to win on this one - Microsoft controls the secure format, the RIAA gets a secure format, and the consumer loses all their rights for the "quid pro quo" of a bonus track."

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  1. garage bands by genner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forget the RIAA, support your local garage band.

    1. Re:garage bands by Patoski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, garage bands that are successfull turn into standard RIAA bands. There's no way to win unless you eventually drop support for the band that USED to be a garage band.

      Generally this is true but it is not always so. There are many artists who have taken a second way and are involved with labels which are not affiliated with the RIAA. I know of several artists who have created their own labels to distribute their music and are available in all the major retail stores, amazon, itunes, tower records, etc. Getting distribution using this method is difficult but it isn't impossible. If more people would take the DIY distribution approach we'd have a lot more diversity in music than we do now and the artists would be getting paid far more.

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  2. Real copy protection would be great by h00manist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copy protection would be the best gift MS could give to the open-source movement.

    95% of all windows boxes must contain 100% pirated software.

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    1. Re:Real copy protection would be great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Longhorn is the best gift MS could ever give to the open-source movement. The whole thing is a joke and no one is going to buy it.

      You're under the impression most people deliberately buy their MS OS today; they don't.

      They buy a computer, and the OS comes with it. The idea of buying an OS-less computer isn't something that J.Q.Public does, nor will they when Longhorn comes out. The OEM PCs will be preloaded with it, and that will be that.

  3. Encryption Circumvention Devices? by example42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this mean that alternate OS's such as Linux and OS X could be consider encryption circumvention devices under the DMCA and upcoming Uber-DMCA's in the USA and around the world? This of course assumes that Microsoft's protection scheme is Windows only. And I think that's a safe bet.

    1. Re:Encryption Circumvention Devices? by smartin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it means that other OS's will be locked out of mounting and playing any popular media. This has been M$'s driving goal for a long time. The bottom line will be that you will need a device that contains Microsoft code to mount and play any format that participates in the DRM system. This means all media players and most computers. Microsoft will not license the technology to Linux under the excuse that it is an insecure platform. This will help them lock down both the desktop and embedded markets.

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    2. Re:Encryption Circumvention Devices? by xwinter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this means that the hundreds of millions of customers with regular "non-MS certified" CD-Players in their homes and cars will be unable to listen to the music they bought and paid for. This is an absolute failure before it even begins, because most normal people do not use their computer to play music in their home and car, and most people would not be willing to buy a new CD player to play said special CDs. This proposal is DOA.

  4. Crap by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    We imagine Apple won't be willing to play ball on this front.

    Likely not, but what if the files are DMR-locked (somehow) to only play with a Longhorn-capable client? Reverse engineering would go against the DMCA likely.

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  5. Quid Pro Quo by Atragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, we also gain a standardized copy protection format which will be tuned not to break things like some existing copy protections *cough* Starforce *cough*.

    And...standardization is good, just a single standard to bypass if we want to make backups instead of having to learn how to bypass multiple protections.

    Sure, call me a pirate, but when want to play games on my laptop, I don't want to have to tote the CD around, I'd much mount the disc image to a virtual drive so I don't have to tote a breakable CD for every game I might play while traveling.

  6. Is this a joke? by Captain+BooBoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they can't secure the code on the CD what makes you think they can secure the CD?

  7. Re:who cares by Darkon06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does matter, encryption works the same way. It isn't unbreakable but hard to do so. It keeps everyone and their brother from doing something or looking at your private e-mail. It keeps out the ones who either are too stupid or whatnot from getting past. There will always be exceptions. *shrug*

  8. And this will work how exactly? by blankman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CDs are still going to have regular audio tracks, so they can play in regular CD players. Longhorn will still read regular audio tracks, so it can still play old CDs that don't have a DRMed copy of their content. Even if Longhorn checks for a mixed-mode CD and restricts access to the music portion, that breaks older mixed-mode CDs that have the music on the audio portion only, and other content on the data portion. Bottom line, it sounds to me like I'll still be able to just hold shift.

  9. gored by longhorn by koan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thank you M$ you just gave me the "final straw" to migrate to Linux.

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  10. Sounds so arrogant by scotay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For someone who has no problem with MS, this is really arrogant. I don't care how much the music industry wants copy protection, I bet this letter did not go over well. On September 2nd, you give me a letter that gives me 18 whole days to make a decision that has major implications on the future of the entire industry. I bet this must leave even the most jaded observers questioning MS sanity and arrogance.

  11. Buying CD's? by blenderking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I figure in 2006 (when Longhorn is supposed to ship) I won't be buying CD's anymore; I barely do as it is now. I really enjoy ITunes and the pricing for a full album's material is almost always better than any retailer's (including Amazon) price.

    ITunes restrictions are reasonable enough that they don't get in my way...and it's cheaper. I don't need a physical CD anymore. Music on demand. I like it.

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  12. Re:Ok... by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They won't! Nobody upgrades! They buy a new computer and it's already installed.

  13. I've seen things like this before... by here4fun · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The letter, dated 2 September 2004, says that Microsoft's offer came "literally in the last few days" but requires that labels across the entire industry agree upon a specification for the functionality of the protected discs by 20 September.

    Trying to push something at the last second never works. There will be mistakes, a need for new patches, who knows.

    I would think as long as a CD-Rom can read a disk as a data disk, then this will all be meaningless. Someone will write an application which will skip over the "bonus" track. The only way this can work is if MS decides their windows media player is the only player they will allow. But didn't the courts tell MS they could not do that?

  14. Stop Whining... by tshak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...And stop buying. Seriously. A major company is catering to another major companies needs. Film at 11.

    This is one of many cases that I think the free market will work. If people don't think the quid pro quo value is in their favor, than the RIAA loses because people will stop buying their product.

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  15. Re:I don't see the logic by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you have to work too hard to do it, most people will just give up and/or buy the media"

    No, they'll download it from their favorite P2P service after one person rips it.

    You don't quite get this 'Internet' thing, do you?

  16. Let's just Stop giving them Money by Starluck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I say we start a movement against the purchasing of music from any label associated with the RIAA. to Quote /. "There's small choice in rotten apples. -- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of the Shrew"

    -This whole mess mkes me really mad, whatever happened to the Consumers Rights, or did those die in the 80's? It seems that everything today is geared at protecting the Big Companies. perfect example Grandmas and 12year olds get sued, and it's ok. This is a sick world we live in. Money is not everything, information is everything.