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Randall Davis: IBM Has No SCO Code

Mick Ohrberg writes "As reported by Groklaw, Randall Davis, renowned professor of Computer Science at MIT has after an extensive search found no evidence of SCO's claims that IBM has incorporated parts of the Unix System V code. Davis says "Accordingly, the IBM Code cannot be said, in my opinion, to be a modification or a derivative work based on the Unix System V Code." Surprised, anyone?"

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  1. Wait... by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 5, Funny

    you mean that SCO has been lying to us?

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    1. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "We are still seeing copyright violations being committed and the damage is still occurring on a daily basis, yet the other side said, "What is the problem? Look, we took it out of the future versions."

      We showed over a million lines of code and where it has existed. [Linux creator] Linus Torvalds has told me that the Linux kernel has around 5 million lines of code. This derivative code accounts for 20 percent of the Linux code base."
      Q&A: SCO Group CEO Darl McBride By Michael Singer
      http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3 114341

      WTF! This guy can find a single line!! he must be blind! The CEO of SCO says that 1/5 of linux is a copy. Darl Mcbride would not lie!!!

      Remeber SCO owns c++ too!
      "And C++ programming languages, we own those" -Darl McBride
      Caldera CEO waves UnitedLinux banner By ZDNet Staff August 15, 2002 http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/mai n/0,14179,2877578,00.html

  2. Figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, you thought that SCO's case had to be standing on SOMETHING, right? COlor me surprised! ;)

  3. In other news... by CrayzyJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    rocks are hard and water is wet.

    More at 11.

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    1. Re:In other news... by escher · · Score: 4, Funny

      Counterexamples: magma, ice.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      okay, fine...

      rocks are wet and water is hard...

    3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      _____s are hard and _____ is wet.

      Sexual innuendo at 11.

    4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Examples noted, please provide empirical evidence that magma doe indeed qualify as "wet" and that ice while qualifying as "hard" does not also qualify as "wet" even in that state.

      Also, magma and ice not being capable of existing in the same environmental conditions, may not meet the requirements of proper experimental research, therefore all experiments must be carried out at 0 degrees kelvin to avoid corruption of data, atmospheric pressure may be designated by the experimenter.

    5. Re:In other news... by escher · · Score: 3, Funny

      Crap. You win.

      *bows*

      Wait... I don't have to commit nerd ritual suicide now, do I?

      *prepares to FLEE*

    6. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      *prepares to FLEE*

      Leaving your computer IS nerd ritual suicide.

  4. Really??!! by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought SCO was telling the truth the whole time. You mean to tell me that those bastardly socialist hackers have done nothing wrong? Impudence!

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    1. Re:Really??!! by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think that would break me if it were true. It can't be true. I thought Redmond was a happy forest filled with drunken leprechauns and talking unicorns. I know it is . . . .

      * Runs off crying. *

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    2. Re:Really??!! by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kind AND Honest? no

      Kind OF Honest? well you're getting closer ;-)


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    3. Re:Really??!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      But of course you are wrong and he IS NOT a lawyer, he is a professor at MIT

      This isn't fair. You only know this because you read TFA. If you're going to post here, you'll have to play by the rules and post only nonsense based on ignorance.

  5. I found this out a while ago... by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1, Funny
    diff IBMcode SCOliarscode > lawsuitammo.txt

    nedit lawsuitammo.txt





    (null)


    1. Re:I found this out a while ago... by _xeno_ · · Score: 2, Funny
      Nah, the lameness filter probably removed the many lines of:

      < IBMcode
      < IBMcode
      < IBMcode
      ===
      > SCOliarscode
      > SCOliarscode
      > SCOliarscode
      > SCOliarscode

      Either that, or nedit couldn't open such a large file and wound up with a (null) when it tried to malloc the entire SCO code base and IBM code base.

      (Over-analysing jokes - it's not just for pendants any more!)

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  6. At $550 per hour... by Bull999999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    8. I have been retained by counsel for IBM in this lawsuit and am being compensated at a rate of $550 per hour.

    20. These comparisons required on the order of 10 hours of computation time on a dual 3 GHz Xeon processor system with 2 GB of RAM. This is a high-end workstation routinely and easily available off the shelf from commercial vendors such as Dell.


    At $550 per hour, I would've used something like a 386 processor with 8MB of RAM.

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    1. Re:At $550 per hour... by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Funny

      At $550 per hour, I would've used something like a 386 processor with 8MB of RAM.

      Hell, I would have built a wetware turing machine using a dozen grad students armed with abacii. In treacle. With Natalie Portman implementing the I/O subsystem.

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    2. Re:At $550 per hour... by John+Harrison · · Score: 4, Funny

      At $550 an hour from IBM you think he would have at least had the decency to not plug Dell.

    3. Re:At $550 per hour... by Yewbert · · Score: 5, Funny
      Hell, I would have built a wetware turing machine using a dozen grad students armed with abacii. In treacle.

      Inevitably,...

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of grad students armed with abacii,....

    4. Re:At $550 per hour... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only on Slashdot would it be a cluster of grad students instead of a Beowulf cluster of Natalie Portmans.

  7. What about all of these? by I_am_Rambi · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about these snippets? // /*
    */
    while(1)
    {
    }
    return(0);
    return(1);
    if (...)
    elseif (...)
    else

    And don't forget the white space! That is a clear copy!

    1. Re:What about all of these? by ClippyHater · · Score: 5, Funny

      elseif(...)

      Your compiler: We hates it, it burns us, precious, nasty syntax it is!

    2. Re:What about all of these? by TioHoltzman · · Score: 2, Funny

      That makes me wonder:
      Wouldn't it be cool to run all of GCC's text messages through some sort of "Gollumnizer" (like the perl script out there that can convert english to Yoda-like phrasing)?
      Hell you could even rename it:
      "Gollum's Compiler Collection"

  8. in other news... by CheechBG · · Score: 2, Funny
    SCO's outside law firm have recently found incontrovertible evidence that SCO has been doing some "creative" accounting practices. Said one high-level attorney, "These books are cooked so bad I should have brought some steaks and smores, we could have had a cookout."

    /really drawn-out joke :)

  9. It's a matrix... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    where there is no SCO code.

    SCO, don't try and claim that IBM has your code. That's impossible. Instead, realize the truth. There is no SCO code.

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  10. $550 an hour....and he reviewed 15 lines of code? by zerofoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where do I get a gig like that?

    He basically had some software look for similarities in the code, and then manually verified the hits.

    Wow....$550/hour to do that. I've got a CS degree - I'll volunteer to do it for half that!

    Oh yeah, he also explained the significance of return statements so that non-programmer types could understand.

    -ted

  11. Not So Fast Mr. Davis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's ... that's ... that's because Randall Davis doesn't have the Secret SCO Decoder Ring (tm) (patent pending) (C 2004 SCO). The Decoder Ring ... it ... it detects our IP where no mere mortal could ever hope to find it!

    And now ... for a limited time only ... buy SCOSource licenses for 5 or more friends, and SCO will throw in a Secret SCO Decoder Ring (tm) (patent pending) (C 2004 SCO) at no additional charge!

    My name is Darl McBride, and I have authorized this message!

  12. SCO code by MikeMacK · · Score: 2, Funny
    17. As explained in detail below, I used two programs, called COMPARATOR and SIM, to help automate the process.

    Hmmm...I wonder if he can prove that COMPARATOR and SIM do not contain any SCO code?

  13. busted! by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO: b-b-but, you're not supposed to use a COMPUTER SCIENTIST!
    IBM: byte us.

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  14. IBM has WMD, claims SCO. by ARRRLovin · · Score: 4, Funny

    SCO claims an attack from IBM, using these weapons, is imminent. SCO has 2 carrier battle groups in the area and 250,000 troops on call to go in and find the WMD, pending UN approval. More news to come.....

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    1. Re:IBM has WMD, claims SCO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think you mean SCO has a leaky frigate, and about 50 troops (or can they even afford to pay that many anymore) ready to go in and find the WMD.

    2. Re:IBM has WMD, claims SCO. by Forbman · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...actually, it's the other way around. SCO is saying, "we have IPWMD", while paddling a rusty canoe into Norfolk Naval Ship Yard, brandishing plastic carnival cutlasses and wearing cheap pirate outfits. "We will sink the entire 7th Fleet, if need be!"

      IBM, with 2 carrier battle groups, several nuclear attack submarines, a SEAL Team, the Marines up the way at Quantico, etc., are just biding their time...

  15. SCO hasn't played their trump card yet... by SpaceBadger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your honour, when we apply the standard abstraction and filtration phases to any Unix System V file we can clearly see that the resulting 0 byte file is identical to every abstracted and filtered 0 byte file in the latest Linux kernel.

  16. Re:Finally... by glib909 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're not quite dead yet.

    SCO: I don't want to go on the cart!

    Oh, don't be such a baby. You're not fooling anyone, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
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  17. COMPARATOR and SIM by angle_slam · · Score: 1, Funny
    17. As explained in detail below, I used two programs, called COMPARATOR and SIM, to help automate the process.

    Will he have to re-run the comparison now that Sims 2 is out?

  18. IBM had to do this... by dR.fuZZo · · Score: 4, Funny

    To strengthen their case, IBM needed to trot out an MIT professor to counteract all of those fictional MIT folks that found this infringement in the first place.

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  19. SCO has their 'expert' by Hamster+Of+Death · · Score: 3, Funny

    SCO has apparently already recruited their expert, apparently it's this guy. SCO Expert

  20. SCO Claims IBM put WMD in Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


    With this additional information, is it now true that SCO claims that IBM inserted weapons of mass destruction in the Linux Source?? I guess they'll just need IBM's personal e-mails about Microsoft to find it.

  21. Darl sez... by phyruxus · · Score: 5, Funny
    Darl McBride was reached for comment and had the following comments to make:

    There are no American tanks in Baghdad!
    They are nowhere near Baghdad.
    Their forces committed suicide by the hundreds.... The battle is very fierce and God made us victorious. The fighting continues.

    Ooops, wrong script. (fumbles with papers)

    IBM is lying about the lack of stolen code.
    We need another delay to find stolen code.
    There can be no doubt that Linux contains stolen code.

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    "d'Oh!" ~Homer
  22. In related news... by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 3, Funny

    In related news, the same researcher has determined that the brown stripe in the BVD briefs of 77-year-old Frank Wilson of Alatoosa, Mississippi does not contain SCO bullshit.

    Wilson was subpoenaed on July 3, 2004 for apparently using SCO Unix bullshit in his underwear. SCO lawyers contended that, in addition to all of their other bullshit, this particular stripe of fecal matter in Wilson's BVDs was, in fact, similar the other bullshit that they have spread around since they began their legal actions.

    Wilson, a World War II veteran and resident at the Shady Acres Memory Care facility on the western edge of Alatoosa, was not immediately aware of what SCO was in the first place.

    "I thought it was the VA -- finally giving me my money for that piece of Kraut shrapnel I took in 1942! Fucking Krauts! Where's my applesauce? Is my wife around?"

    Officials at the memory care facility noted that Wilson is an Alzheimers patient who frequently forgets to wipe himself after using the bedpan, hence the source of the stripe in his underwear. They were aware of the legal action again Wilson by SCO, but rather than stir up his angina and blood pressure by witholding the mail that he watches being delivered every day, they let him open the SCO legal letter himself.

    "We're just glad he didn't keel over with a stroke," said Frank Johnson, the head nurse of the memory care facility. "He just ranted about the VA and pissed down his leg while asking for his son, who has been dead for 16 years after a car accident. It could've been a lot worse."

    The examination of the fecal stripe in the suspect pair of BVDs turned up concrete evidence that, in fact, the shit was Wilson's. In fact, it was not even bullshit and thus not legally open to subpoena by SCO on the grounds that it was more of SCO's bullshit. No countersuit has been filed, as Wilson's surviving family members have apparently never visited him at the facility and only wish to pay the bills for his care.

    IronChefMorimoto

  23. Re:His resume! by kzinti · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I have also been retained by the Department of Justice in its investigation of the INSLAW matter. In 1992 (and later in 1995) my task in that engagement was to investigate alleged copyright theft and subsequent cover-up by the Federal Bureau of Investigations, the National Security Agency, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the United States Customs Service, and the Defense Intelligence Agency."

    So Professor Davis can not only tell us that there is no SCO code in linux, but he should also be able to tell us how much crack the SCO weasels had to smoke before formulating their outrageous claims.

  24. SCO Stalling by helmespc · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think SCO is stalling so that they can rewrite their code to match the Linux code...

  25. you can now expect to be subpoena'd... by bani · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...by sco, to testify at length defending it against allegations by sco that the tool is flawed and biased against them (and them alone).

  26. Slashdot Geriatrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Move my bowels.
    Check SCO.
    Move my bowels.
    Check SCO.
    Move my bowels.
    Check SCO.
    Move my bowels.
    Check SCO.

    Honestly, we all know it's just a matter of time before the entire state of Utah is set afire and salt sewn into the ground. It's getting old hearing about SCO every other day...

  27. SCO is like a Smoke & Mirrors show... by bckrispi · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...without the Smoke & Mirrors.

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  28. Maybe SCO should get Dan Rathers help. by 1shooter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dan and CBS is very good at finding documents even when they don't exist so they ought to be able to find code that was "stolen" from SCO.

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  29. Re:Counter example would have helped. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    "because there is no way linux could have become as good as it did without stealing from us".. ie: denial

    I've use SCO Unix. It was by far the worst unix exp. I've ever had.
    If Linux had copied any of SCOs code it wouldn't be as good as it is now.
    I'm sure this is not news to anyone here...lol
  30. SCO MATRIX by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 4, Funny
    Do not try to find the code. That's impossible.

    Only try to realize the truth: There is no code.

    Then you will see it is not the code that is gone; it is only your head.

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  31. Obligatory Simpson's quote... by DA_MAN_DA_MYTH · · Score: 2, Funny

    HA HA!

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  32. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    How the fuck is this flamebait? It was intended to get me modded +3 or 4 insightful, dammit.

  33. Re:Yeah, by MrCocktail · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but what if you build a Beowulf cluster of *those*?

    This is called grad school.

  34. Re:Ladies and Gentlemen.. by outernet2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mod this guy up for the rocking allusion to "all your base"

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  35. Wait! It ain't over... by stinkpad · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is still some money left.

  36. Re:Counter example would have helped. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Of course the COMPARATOR program didn't find any copyright infringment, it's Open Source! It's been cleverly designed to notice a test of Open Source software against proprietary software and ignore all the copied code it contains. And if you try to remove the backdoor and recompile the COMPARATOR program with an Open Source compiler the compiler will re-insert code automatically. Any time you copy, print or edit Open Source code the Open Source program that does the copying, printing or editing automatically hides the stolen code. Don't you see that SCO is just trying to save us from the international Open Source conspiracy?