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Star Wars TV Show

The lunatick writes "IESB and Theforce.net report a Star Wars TV show. Lucas will not direct it just produce it. Kevin Smith (Silent Bob, the clerks series) is named as a possible director."

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  1. incorporate zahn's books by ShakuniMama · · Score: 4, Insightful

    hmm... maybe they'll be smart and incorporate some of the excellent books written by timothy zahn as screenplays.

    1. Re:incorporate zahn's books by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Possible premises:
      • The Old Republic - Plenty of scope here for what things were like "before the dark times", but will probably become a "Jedi of the week" show soon enough
      • The Clone Wars - kind of covered in the animated series though
      • Young Luke Skywalker. Cute^H^H^H^H Irritating kids, races though Begger's Canyon and shooting womp rats...
      • What ever Lucas has in mind for VII-IX this week. Probably closest to your option, and the one I'd like to see; could even keep the extended universe stuff intact with a little effort.
        • Face it though, this is the person who brought us Jar-Jar Binks - it's going to be a rehash of Young Indy, isn't it?
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    2. Re:incorporate zahn's books by orin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see this comment all the time. Tim Zahn's books would not make great movies. I really want you to think about these books for a moment.

      What REALLY GREAT scenes are there in the books? The Katana fleet battle doesn't compare to any space battle in the Star Wars movies.

      The great ending of the books - Luke versus Clone Luuke? That wouldn't make a really good bit of cinema either.

      Face it - none of the characters really grow in the Zahn books. Luke is pretty much the same at the start as he is at the end. The same as Han and Leia. There are few grand scenes and few things that I read and thought "wow - I wish I could see that on the big screen". The whole Mara and Luke wandering through the forest scene - wow that would drag on for ever!

      Also - in Zahn's books the clone wars were Jedis being cloned and going nuts rather than the pre-cursors to the Stormtroopers.

      Zahn's books are good as books. They wouldn't work as movies. Although I wasn't a great fan of the Dark Empire stuff - that at least would work better as a series of movies or a TV series - the idea of Luke falling to the Dark Side and being redeemed by Leia is far more in line with what is in the movies in terms of being epic.

    3. Re:incorporate zahn's books by DrXym · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Face it though, this is the person who brought us Jar-Jar Binks - it's going to be a rehash of Young Indy, isn't it?


      Young Indiana Jones was fairly good TV - up to a point. What made it so ludicrous by the end of it all was how many 'famous people' were crammed into every episode and the consequent contrivances that had Indy leaping from war to war, continent to continent to fit them all in. If he wasn't meeting Charles De Gaulle it was Ho Chi Minh or Pancho Villa or someone else.


      And that's the issue that Star Wars faces. One guest appearance is a pleasant 'twist'. A whole series of them and brings the whole lot crashing down.


      We can already see the way it has gone in the so-far shitty prequels. The inclusion of R2D2 & C3PO and other 'famous' characters from the later stories leads to one stupid contrivance after another. For example, we're supposed to believe that Darth Vader *built* C3PO as child, that this robot C3PO travels the entire galaxy, and 20 odd years later while being pursued jettisons over Tattooine and ends up being bought by his son! How more fucking ridiculous can you get?

    4. Re:incorporate zahn's books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's a comic series Tales of the Jedi that would be an extremely cool time period to place the TV series. It takes place about 4000 years before Episode 4, and has a really well written story line and great characters.

    5. Re:incorporate zahn's books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well you have to remember that Lucas has the convenient excuse of "the force" for any unbelievable coincidences that occur. Cause um... the force made sure R2-D2 was on that ship leaving Naboo that day... and um... the force knew that decades later R2-D2 would be the only robot in the galaxy that could possibly have stored and played back a holographic message... it was.. um... his fate yeah. Good ol' force!

  2. Clerks Animated by SpooForBrains · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The brain behind the excellent Clerks Animated helming Star Wars? Now *that* I'd pay money for!

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  3. bad Idea by pyro101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kevin would have to be a moron to do it. No matter how good the tv series is it will be slammed as not as good as the original. Expecially if you expect 3-5 seasons worth of good stuff. There is no pleasing the star wars fans.

    1. Re:bad Idea by FuzzzyLogik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, not all of us think the movies were that good. In fact, I welcome Kevin's rendition on this because I found most of the new star wars material to be boring and "pretty." The old movies were ok... granted I can't even tell you what happened in each movie, but if it's directed by kevin smith i'll watch it because i love his other work and at least give this a chance. Lucas sucks as a director, sorry. I don't give a rip if han or luke shot first or whatever. I don't care, where's the story in the first 2 episodes? 4-6 actually had a story, but the new ones don't, at least i'm not piecing it together real well. I'm sorry if i offend any of you guys, i just don't like star wars that much, but an animated/live action tv series might work if someone new tries something new. It's not for lack of liking the universe created, but the dialog lucas put together sucks and doesn't sound natural.. this is where kevin smith really shines.. his movies are all about dialog. he's great at that.

  4. My opinion by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bad idea. You want to run a franchise into the ground this is the way to do it.

    I'd think Star Trek would have demonstrated that already...
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    1. Re:My opinion by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hehheh.. but the thing that is.. somebody other than lucas is doing it so it might not be _that_ bad.

      it's already in ground. ep1 and ep2 make good kids flicks.. but had they been the first films in the series to be made would it be so huge? i doubt not.

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    2. Re:My opinion by erik_fredricks · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Bad idea. You want to run a franchise into the ground this is the way to do it.

      No, the way you run a franchise into the ground is to release a theatrical series of "prequels," which systematically betray and murder the mythology you spent the better part of a decade building. It also helps to utilize an alien that talks like Buckwheat and a younger, whiny version of your most classic villain.

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    3. Re:My opinion by Maserati · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Useful tip:

      When watching Ep. II, skip the "frolicking" scene entirely; the rest of the movie improves remarkably with that simple omission - yes, even the rest of the Anakin-Amidala scenes. What that one scene did to the pacing of the film should cost Lucas the most prestigious of the awards he's ever won, even just a high school debate trophy.

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  5. Is this real? by lothar97 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I checked USA Today, Google News, and Yahoo News, and was not able to find the actual story in USA Today. Doesn't USA Today put everything on the web? Shouldn't a rumor like this be substantiated a little bit more?

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  6. Why not!?! by Moby+Cock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems the Beflanneled One is intent on ensuring complete media saturation in perpetuity for the SW universe.

    All things considered, this show could be pretty cool, but it likely won't be. The prequels have fallen short and I find it difficult to imagine fresh material coming out often enough for a TV show. A mini-series would be perhaps more appropriate.

    I gotta say, everytime I see another part of Star Wars being sold out, a little part of me dies.

  7. Bah. by Telastyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Star wars seems as though it is ill-suited for TV status. Giant space operas don't mix with 1 hour [plus commercial] slots.

    Hell, I'd rather see the afore mentioned Spaceballs sequel made into a TV series.

  8. SG1.. by Manip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before everyone suggests this is a bad move I just want to say look at SG1. The original movie was at best 'ok' but thanks to the series the brand is highly valued.

    1. Re:SG1.. by Zebbers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, you debuffed your own argument.
      The movie was so-so, so it was easier for the tv show to be better.

      It would be hard to do a SW series on par or better than the movie- or at atleast the percieved quality of the movie.

    2. Re:SG1.. by Webmonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah. Hardly any one liked the Buffy movie, but the TV show has its fans...

      But the TV show was better because its creator had more control. Lucas needs less control, if anything.

  9. Re:Hear that sound? by El · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh well, I guess I just pity the poor cow... The problem is, we are the cow!

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  10. Re:Big Deal by Tom+Dunne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I don't *really* like Clerks, I just think I like Clerks because the mass media has told me to? Bah. You're just telling me that becaue that's what the cynical counter-culture has forced you to reply with

  11. Star Wars Via Lens of Star Trek by reporter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Television is inherently inferior to the big screen. The plot of Star Wars (Chapter IV) is full of depth, and gems of this nature simply cannot be pumped out week after week.

    The weekly treadmill is precisely what television is.

    For further insight, consider "Star Trek V". It was the only movie (based on the original characters) to lose money. However, when "Star Trek V" was broadcast on television, the movie seemed okay, compared to the junk food on the other channels.

    The only conceivable way for Star Wars on the boob tube to not deteriorate to the level of Star Trek is to develop plots requiring at least 3 episodes to tell. In other words, across a 21-week viewing season, Star Wars, the boob tube show, would essentially be aired as 7 movies, each movie being 3 hours in length.

    For fate's sake, please try to get good actors and actresses.

  12. Re:This could be good... by BenjyD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But wasn't that the strength of the first trilogy (eps 4-6)? Because it started off half way through the story, with the saving the universe bit, it drew the audience into the world. They wanted to find out what was going on in this world the films so suddenly started off in.

    The prequel trilogy was doomed to fail because the story they tell isn't that interesting really, it's only interesting as a backdrop to episodes 4-6. All you really need to know about the story line of episodes 1-3 is summarised in about ten minutes in episodes 4-6.

    The movies make a big point of having little bits of the background world intrude into the films to create an interesting universe - the rubbish collecting gnome creatures in episode 4, all the aliens living their lives in the background. But, just like episodes 1-2(+3 probably), if you concentrate too much on that background, you realise it's not as interesting as it appeared from a distance.

    It's the same with Lord of the Rings. There's a huge backstory to the trilogy, but by starting the main story (Frodo and the Fellowship etc.) in the middle of that, you create a whole interesting world the reader wants to read about without having to bother with laboriously explaining it.

  13. Wait a Minute... by techsoldaten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait a minute guys, this is a TV SCI-FI SERIES we are talking about here. There is no problem with them making Star Wars into the next Babylon 5, and here's why:

    What do you always get in a TV Sci-Fi series?

    Cheesecake.

    That's right, Cheesecake. The only compelling reason to watch sci-fi, and directors like to serve up big, heaping slices topped with insincere gravitas and skin tight costumes.

    Jerri Ryan, that Vulcan from 'Enterprise', Erin Grey, Lt. Orora, Tasha Yar (I think that was her name), Debbie from Sealab, um... someone from Babylon 5, uh...

    I actually don't watch that much TV, so I don't really know the whole list. I am certain there are some other people who can help fill in the details.

    But you get the drift, and I, for one, cannot wait until the first time someone has to swing across a vast chasm.

    Hoping to see Pam Anderson as a Grand Moff,
    M

    1. Re:Wait a Minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Jerri Ryan, that Vulcan from 'Enterprise', Erin Grey, Lt. Orora, Tasha Yar (I think that was her name), Debbie from Sealab, um... someone from Babylon 5, uh...

      Ivanova is always Hot. I will Fantasize about Ivanova. I will not ignore Ivanova's Sexiness. Ivanova is God.

  14. Nonsense by artemis67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no pleasing the star wars fans.

    You're absolutely right! How could the man who gave us Howard the Duck ever do wrong?

    Sarcasm aside, Episodes I and II are dumbed-down versions of Star Wars. They were more about the special effects than about the story. I find it ridiculously simplistic that Senator Palpatine could so easily engineer the takeover of the Empire; are there no other senior politicians who are in this with him? And the acting is wooden; even Ewan McGregor, one of my favorite actors, stumbles through these movies like he's not quite sure how to handle the material. Given how gifted McGregor is, I have to assume that it's Lucas's direction and writing that are the problem.

    Thr first trilogy was made in the late 70's/early 80's, before the tech revolution. For most of us, it pushed the boundaries of science fiction. Two decades later, the tech concepts of the prequels are ho-hum. Lucas really needed to hand these off to someone who had a little more of a vision than he did.

    Can you imagine if Lucas had contracted the Wachowski Brothers to write and direct the prequels? Even the least favored movie in the Matrix trilogy blows away the Star Wars prequels.

    The best of the five Star Wars movies, SW:TESB, was not directed by Lucas. I think that that speaks volumes.

  15. No need to get upset by Jormundgandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know guys, you could always not watch it.
    That pretty much works for me when I don't want to see a TV show.

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  16. Re:Kevin Smith, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sure, but you must concede that "You came in that thing? You're braver than you look" is a classic line. Lucas ain't perfect, but he's not as bad as he's made out to be.

  17. Re:Ah, yes... by el-spectre · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Self important? Nah. Self evident maybe... go look up Ambrose Bierce's stuff, I'm sure more will offend :)

    Since I'm biting on this troll:

    Belief without evidence: true, by definition...

    in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge,: Hint: the priest is just repeating what's in the book...

    of things without parallel." - A.B.: What, is there another universe you can point me to?

    Also, a Deist and an Atheist are nothing alike... you'd better go check your definitions.

    Regarding zeal: Am I zealous to observe the sky is blue? That fire is hot? No, these things (given an analytical - scientific - method) are provable, or at least very very likely. So, I base all my 'beliefs' on evidence... I see no reason to make an exception on this particular point, just because many people in society hang on to ancient superstition.

    Yes, I believe that most religions are probably wrong. No, I don't think they should be abolished, forbidden, whatever. I respect your (presumed) right to believe, whilst disrespecting the belief itself. What's the big deal?

    Finally (and here we clearly cross into Flamebait territory)... my 'zeal' is derived from an interest in advancing the species, not a fear of damnation. You might consider your motives before giving me grief for not blindly following some mythical god.

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  18. Star Wars good writing? by Mordaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Sarcasm aside, Episodes I and II are dumbed-down versions of Star Wars."

    Maybe it's just me, and maybe it's just because I've rewatched it recently. I wouldn't exactly call SW:ANH good or smart writing. It was a fun movie, with bad acting, Sir. Alec Guinness notwithstanding (actually, everyone but Han, Obi Wan and Tarkin were annoying this time around,) a pretty cheesy storyline, held together by three things (for me) : amazing special effects, an outstanding soundtrack and memories of when I saw it at the drive in when I was 5.

    Come to think of it, the end has always bothered me : a small fleet of rebel starfighters attack a battle station the size of a moon, that housed "legions of Imperial troops and fightercraft" (starwars.com), yet, the Imperials only launch at best an equal number of fighters to repel the attack?! They were there to eliminate the Rebel threat, but they leave the vast majority of their fighters in the hangar??! Vader says (paraphrased) "Several of the fighters have broken attack formation, follow me." he brings TWO pilots with him!! This is supposed to be a fully operational battlestation ; did they forget the fighters and pilots somewhere?! Actually, if they intended to end the Rebel threat forever, why isn't the majority of the Imperal FLEET there? Two movies later, it took the entire fleet to (almost) repel the Rebel attack!

    I'd hate to admit it, but I had the same "What did I see in this movie when I was kid" feeling that I had when I rewatched Krull. It was fun, too, but lacked substance. It had acting on par with SW:ANH but the soundtrack was great and the effects were very well done.

    Empire Strikes Back was another beast however : that will always be Star Wars to me.

    1. Re:Star Wars good writing? by Zab+UvWxy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...they leave the vast majority of their fighters in the hangar??!

      Luke hit the answer to this in RotJ, in dialogue with the Emperor: "Your overconfidence is your weakness."

      I haven't watched ANH in a while (I should, since I got the DVDs a few days ago), but I do recall one of the officers telling Tarkin that they've underestimated the danger faced by the rebel ships (X- and Y-wings). They probably saw what was coming around Yavin from the fourth moon, and when they stopped laughing, launched what they considered to be an appropriate response.

      "Oh, those pesky rebels in their little fighters. Send a couple of squadrons of TIEs out so we can get back to enjoying watching the planets blow up with our uber-cannon."

      Probably wasn't until the first barrage of proton torpedoes barely missed the exhaust port that they started getting worried.

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  19. Force Countermeasures by SeanDuggan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Really, it does make sense. After all, we have at least two races (Hutts and whatever Watto was) who are apparently immune to the Force. Nature has a way of adapting to circumstances and I don't see it as all that unlikely that some creature out there would develop some abaility to "jam" something like the Force; it likely gave them some kind of evolutionary advantage.

    As to why it would work, I don't remember an explanation from the books, but I could see it as being a matter of actually generating their own version of the Force that happens to jam regular users much in the same was as jammers are used in electronic warfare measures.

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