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Senator Alleges White House Wrote Allawi's Speech

Jeremiah Cornelius writes "In a letter to the White House, a leading US Senate Democrat, Diane Feinstein, expressed 'profound dismay' that the White House allegedly wrote a large portion of Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's speech to Congress last week. 'His speech gave me hope that reconstruction efforts were proceeding in most of the country and that elections could be held on schedule. To learn that this was not an independent view, but one that was massaged by your campaign operatives, jaundices the speech and reduces the credibility of his remarks.'"

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  1. Al Lorentz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Incidentally, Al Lorentz is under the threat of serious jail time for speaking out.

    1. Re:Al Lorentz by sedna · · Score: 5, Informative



      http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/29/milit ary_justice/

      Online media, but not a weblog and with sources to follow up on.

  2. Re:Give me a break... by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Informative

    Then why doesn't the USGOV release unedited video of all the good things that are happening in Iraq?

  3. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Will you ever stop beating your wife?

    Read Senator Kerry's testimony to the Senate from 1971. Read it all. Comprehend. Then form an opinion and speak.

    If you can read english, you will see that Kerry was relating details of war crimes related to him by over 100 other men. War crimes that they were coerced and abetted in committing by commanding officers. They knew it was wrong, and they admitted it out of shame, and because they knew that it tarnished the credibility of the United States, which they defended because they loved.

    Fast forward 33 years. Location: Abu Ghraib Prison, Iraq. Same story. Nothing learned. Our national credibility savaged. Maybe because we have a president who admittedly "doesn't read much".

  4. Re:Give me a break... by mapmaker · · Score: 4, Informative
    You may have read the article but you missed the salient point: It wasn't just the US Government that helped write the speech, it was BUSH CAMPAIGN WORKERS. It was a campaign speech disguised as a diplomatic event.

    And that makes it all the more repugnant that Bush and Co. have been complaining about Kerry criticizing the speech. Bush has his puppet prime minister give a campaign speech and Kerry isn't allowed to criticize it? Puh-leeze.

  5. Re:Ahh by Phoinix · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have seen and listened to GW talk. He is no Caesar!

  6. Kerry said no such thing by subtropolis · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was talking about the statements made by other people. From the transcript:

    I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.

    It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

    They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

    Please read the transcript (hell, skim it) before coming to any conclusions about Kerry's actions in '72. The 'media' sure ain't going to clarify any of this. We need to do it ourselves.

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    "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
  7. Re:Is this news? by Selanit · · Score: 5, Informative
    How is Iraq less of a dictatorship today than it was under Saddam Hussein?
    Easy: in a dictatorship, someone is in control of the country. In Iraq today, nobody is really in control of the whole country. We have:
    1. The interim government, which claims to have control, but hasn't so far been able to reign in the insurgents;
    2. The U.S. military, which definitely has control of some portions of the country, especially the "Green Zone" in Baghdad -- but lacks control of other places, eg Fallujah;
    3. The British military, which seems to have Basra pretty well in hand, but little influence anywhere else;
    4. And the insurgents, who seem to have pretty much free reign over Fallujah and Sadr City (which, if I understand correctly, is a neighborhood of Baghdad). And even if they don't have direct control anywhere else, they're certainly exercising a lot of influence over events all over the place.

    In short, no one entity, governmental, military, or otherwise, is calling the shots for the whole country. That doesn't sound like any kind of dictatorship to me -- it sounds more like chaos.
  8. Re:Alternative by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just look at Africa -- after Britain and France pulled out, everything went to straight to hell.

    No, depending on where you're talking about, many countries in Africa did fine and dandy for a couple of decades.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  9. Re:Let me be the ten billionth person to say by omahajim · · Score: 3, Informative

    The selections I have checked to exclude still appear. If I reverse all the checkbox selections (in case you have to check them to make them *appear*) - nothing changes. Nothing I do in the section preferences makes a diff what's on the front page - checked or unchecked. Yes, I am logged in and cookies are enabled for this domain. The slashboxes however are working as selected.

  10. Re:The U.S. government is building 16 permanent ba by antiMStroll · · Score: 4, Informative
    Funny you should mention, I'm not usually a Naomi Klein fan but this one's a must-read:

    http://harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

  11. Re:Let's face it... by spitzak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not quite, because the number of electors per state is N+2, where N is (supposedly) the population multiplied by a constant. Thus in a state with a smaller population, each person gets a slightly more powerful vote even if the electors are distributed proportionally. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is another matter.

    I do agree tha proportionally distributing the electors, and even allowing fractional distributions, would be a good thing. The previous election could have changed completely with only a few thousand votes changing in Florida (such a small number that it was way below the noise so in fact it really is impossible to tell who won and Gore is just as legitimate of a "winner" as Bush, no matter what anybody says). Under a fractional proportional elector system this could not happen. This would be an enormous improvement, even if it is still possible (but much harder) for the winner to not win the popular vote.

  12. BS Alert! by RealProgrammer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I am not an armchair quarterback. Nor am I some politically idealistic and naÃve young soldier...

    Al Lorentz is the former Chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas. He was against the war in Iraq, because Lorentz believes in isolationism (even after 9/11). So while he is not "some politically idealistic and naÃve young soldier", that's only true because he's not young. He is a political ideologue, with an anti-Bush paranoia.

    I am an old and seasoned Non-Commissioned Officer with nearly 20 years under my belt. Additionally, I am not just a soldier with a muds-eye view of the war, I am in Civil Affairs and as such, it is my job to be aware of all the events occurring in this country and specifically in my region.

    That made my Bullshit Detector go off like a Claymore in a cattle drive.

    Al Lorentz spent most of his career in the Reserves.

    A noncomm in Civil Affairs doesn't have a "muds-eye view" of the war at all. He may as well be back in Texas, for all the fighting he'll see. This guy is an armchair General. Why isn't he an officer? Because he's incompetent for a commission, that's why.

    Al Lorentz was a Bush basher before he went to Iraq, and he's a Bush basher now.

    From another article by Lorentz:
    Pigeon holing is a mental tool used by the ignorant to help them disregard information, ideas and people whom they are incapable or unwilling to understand. A good example of pigeon holing is to declare flippantly that anyone who believes any sort of conspiracy whatsoever as some sort of kook. Never mind that history is replete with proven conspiracies and that a conspiracy is merely two or more individuals conspiring together for any means.
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    sigs, as if you care.
  13. Allawi by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative
    In case y'all didn't know, Allawi is also a longtime CIA and Mossad "asset".

    Maybe some of the insurgency is inspired by the feeling that the country shouldn't have a U.S./Israeli mole installed as chief executive, no?

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    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  14. Re:Ahh by Asic+Eng · · Score: 3, Informative

    In which sense does Japan's constitution mirror the US constitution? There head of state (though he is mainly a figurehead) is a hereditary monarch. Also the government is determined by the parliament, not in separate elections. To my limited knowledge it seems to be more similar to the British "Crown in Parliament" system, than the American one.

  15. War on Terrorism by microsopht · · Score: 4, Informative
    2500 people killed in WTC.
    Very Sad ,Bad thing to happen

    Launch War on Terrorism


    Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq 15033
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    plus

    Deaths due to kidnapping and beheading of citizens of countries [ some that have noting to do with war ] - Kenya,Egypt,India,Australia,Britain,France..etc etc.

    plus death of military persona of USA,Britain and other countries whose soldiers are present in Iraq.

  16. Re:The U.S. government is building 16 permanent ba by marsonist · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are more than 16 U.S. Bases in Germany, but does that make it not free? What about Japan, or Kosovo, or Korea... most reasonable people would concider them to be free. Not having permanent bases there after such a large scale change in governments would be short sighted and extremely hurtful to any chance Iraq has of being free of brutal murdering dictators.

  17. Re:Nice moderating there by lee7guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, or maybe BBC News. No registration requiered.

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  18. Re:What an amazing sense of compasion! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Informative
    " She's dismayed that there are reports of this, that, and the other!"

    By reports, she of course meant newspaper reports. You know, the things most of us get our information from. From the Washington Post:

    The unusual public-relations effort by the Pentagon and the U.S. Agency for International Development comes as details have emerged showing the U.S. government and a representative of President Bush's reelection campaign had been heavily involved in drafting the speech given to Congress last week by interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi. Combined, they indicate that the federal government is working assiduously to improve Americans' opinions about the Iraq conflict -- a key element of Bush's reelection message.

    Later in the article:

    But administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the prime minister was coached and aided by the U.S. government, its allies and friends of the administration. Among them was Dan Senor, former spokesman for the CPA who has more recently represented the Bush campaign in media appearances. Senor, who has denied writing the speech, sent Allawi recommended phrases. He also helped Allawi rehearse in New York last week, officials said. Senor declined to comment.

    So it seems that it is a bit more than mere suspicion, as you would characterize it. The article makes it pretty clear that Allawi was a mouthpiece for the Bush campaign while he was here in the US. So that's why Ms. Feinstein was dismayed. Frankly, so am I.

    The article is here

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    "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)