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Senator Alleges White House Wrote Allawi's Speech

Jeremiah Cornelius writes "In a letter to the White House, a leading US Senate Democrat, Diane Feinstein, expressed 'profound dismay' that the White House allegedly wrote a large portion of Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's speech to Congress last week. 'His speech gave me hope that reconstruction efforts were proceeding in most of the country and that elections could be held on schedule. To learn that this was not an independent view, but one that was massaged by your campaign operatives, jaundices the speech and reduces the credibility of his remarks.'"

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  2. Is this news? by Bryan_W · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this really news to anyone? I watched only a small clip of the speech and said "Bush's speechwriters wrote that speech.

    1. Re:Is this news? by marx · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Leader of a free country?


      How is Iraq less of a dictatorship today than it was under Saddam Hussein?

    2. Re:Is this news? by catalina · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the desparate tactics of the people whose candidate is starting to slide

      Interesting choice of misspellings - I can't decide whether desperate or disparate fits better here.....

    3. Re:Is this news? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny
      Is this really news to anyone? I watched only a small clip of the speech and said "Bush's speechwriters wrote that speech.

      I missed it, did it have about 100 "uh"s in it?

      no, no, take out the part about the prisoner abuse and practically leveling a city of friendlies to get Sadr and put in heroical things that make us look good

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    4. Re:Is this news? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the day of Allawi's speech, The Daily Show also pointed out the similarity in verbiage with the President's speech writers .

    5. Re:Is this news? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting
      According to the Washington Post:
      White House spokesman Scott McClellan, asked Tuesday about similarities between Bush's statements about Iraq and Allawi's speech to Congress last week, said he did not know of any help U.S. officials gave with the speech. "None that I know of," he said, adding, "No one at the White House." He also said he did not know if the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad had seen the speech.

      But administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the prime minister was coached and aided by the U.S. government, its allies and friends of the administration. Among them was Dan Senor, former spokesman for the CPA who has more recently represented the Bush campaign in media appearances. Senor, who has denied writing the speech, sent Allawi recommended phrases. He also helped Allawi rehearse in New York last week, officials said. Senor declined to comment.

      If the White House wrote Allawi's speech, that would be one thing. If the Bush campaign wrote it, that would be quite another. But the Bush campaign has never been shy about using the power of the White House to get an upper hand in their campaigning, and this is nothing out of the ordinary for them. They're in a position to do it, but they're not supposed to do it. Apparently they see nothing wrong with it. Recall the terror alert they issued within hours of Kerry's DNC speech. Could have been a real terror alert, so they have plausible deniability and Kerry can't say anything. Now we have the Bush campaign quietly putting phrases directly into Allawi's mouth, and Kerry can't criticize this Pollyanna nonsense without "undercutting a valuable ally". (Like ahemcoughFrancecoughcoughGermanyahem never mind.)

      Relying on plausible deniability is OK if you only do it once in a while. But as these terribly convenient events pile up, the probability of the null hypothesis (i.e. that these are all just coincidences, and nobody is abusing his presidential powers) gets smaller and smaller. The electorate starts dividing into people with a healthy level of cynicism and people who are essentially hero worshippers.
    6. Re:Is this news? by Selanit · · Score: 5, Informative
      How is Iraq less of a dictatorship today than it was under Saddam Hussein?
      Easy: in a dictatorship, someone is in control of the country. In Iraq today, nobody is really in control of the whole country. We have:
      1. The interim government, which claims to have control, but hasn't so far been able to reign in the insurgents;
      2. The U.S. military, which definitely has control of some portions of the country, especially the "Green Zone" in Baghdad -- but lacks control of other places, eg Fallujah;
      3. The British military, which seems to have Basra pretty well in hand, but little influence anywhere else;
      4. And the insurgents, who seem to have pretty much free reign over Fallujah and Sadr City (which, if I understand correctly, is a neighborhood of Baghdad). And even if they don't have direct control anywhere else, they're certainly exercising a lot of influence over events all over the place.

      In short, no one entity, governmental, military, or otherwise, is calling the shots for the whole country. That doesn't sound like any kind of dictatorship to me -- it sounds more like chaos.
    7. Re:Is this news? by jgardn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because their city councils and school boards are elected? Because the elect the equivalent of governors and legislatures for their provinces?

      Dictators don't allow the people to do such a thing. They know when people get the idea that they can elect whoever they want to run the city, that they'll figure out that they should be able to elect whoever they want to be prime minister.

      It's one of the reasons why the kings of England weren't considered dictators - they allowed the people a democracy to a large extent, and even demanded it.

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    8. Re:Is this news? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 4, Funny

      These days, it's not the Iraqi government that's kidnapping, torturing, and murdering people, but a group of loosely-affiliated amateurs.

      Come on, the US army isn't quite that poorly organized.

      (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

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    9. Re:Is this news? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These days, it's not the Iraqi government that's kidnapping, torturing, and murdering people, but a group of loosely-affiliated amateurs.

      And those brave soldiers of the U.S. military.

      Off course, if you commit the additional crime of making photo evidence of your actions, you will be court martialed...

      I'm pretty sure they're doing much less volume.

      Well, over ten thousand dead in a year...that's rather a lot I would think.

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    10. Re:Is this news? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If you would like to know who has killed thousands of innocent Iraqis, look to Saddam Hussein. Look at the mass graves. (link, link, and link) Look at the torture he has inflicted. (link, link, link)

      A point of caution. While I am not in a position to know the extent of Saddam's doings you should keep this in mind; Histories are written and Villains are made by the Victors. All of the links you quoted are provided by organizations who are sworn enemies of the Bathists and who all are known to make stuff up when it suits them. Some of the mass graves listed here turned out to be graves from the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war. The war itself was actively encouraged and financed by the USA. While it is quite likely that Saddams torture chambers, bullets and chemical weapons killed thens of thousands, that happened over period of twenty years while the Iraq war alone produced around 10000 casaulties (both military and civilian). One has to mention that the first Gulf War prodcued over 150000 dead Iraqi soldiers and civilians, bulk of them killed on the famous slauther on the "Highway of Death" over which they were withdrawing from Kuwait when the war was essentially over.

      I am personally not sure who killed more Iraqis in total, Saddam on his own, Saddam aided by the US when he was an "ally" or US by itself.

    11. Re:Is this news? by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but al-Zarqawi and his animals are not "defending their country against invasion." They are opportunistic, completely intolerant Islamic fundamentalists whose sole vision is to convert or kill all non-Muslims and create a unified Islamic world under strict sharia. Yesterday, this group killed 35 Iraqi kids with car bombs who were waiting for candy from American soldiers. Too bad there's no mod "-1, Misinformed".

  3. Ahh by pHatidic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Writing the speeches of your conquered enemies. You know this is the exact same tactic Julius Caesar used against the nations he conquered, and he was one of Rome's greatest leaders.

    To sum up, worked-for-caesar.

    1. Re:Ahh by killjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wasn't Alawi a CIA operative? I guess it's more like pulling your puppet's strings or giving one of your agents orders.

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    2. Re:Ahh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      et tu, Rumsfeld?

    3. Re:Ahh by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are parallels between Rome and the USA becoming so common? Oh... right, the conquest, slavery, and facade of Democracy.

    4. Re:Ahh by Phoinix · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have seen and listened to GW talk. He is no Caesar!

    5. Re:Ahh by Asic+Eng · · Score: 3, Informative

      In which sense does Japan's constitution mirror the US constitution? There head of state (though he is mainly a figurehead) is a hereditary monarch. Also the government is determined by the parliament, not in separate elections. To my limited knowledge it seems to be more similar to the British "Crown in Parliament" system, than the American one.

  4. Let's face it... by Audent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    nobody writes their own speeches all the time any more. There are spin doctors and there are teams of spin doctors. Under Clinton the model was to use competing teams of writers, similar to the model used by TV show Friends I'm told, to come up with the best speech possible.

    Having said that, I would have thought his own spin doctors would have written it, not White House staff, but really this idea that Iraq is somehow sovereign and no longer merely existing at the whim of the US is bollocks. The White House is the final authority in Iraq today and will be for many years to come.

    Flame away...

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    1. Re:Let's face it... by philipdl71 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The White House is the final authority in Iraq today and will be for many years to come.

      If the White House wanted to be the final authority in Iraq for years to come why are elections scheduled in Iraq this January? Doesn't this give the people of that country the right to elect their own leaders to effect the policy they desire?

    2. Re:Let's face it... by atlasheavy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you really think the US government would allow a theocracy to come to power in Iraq? How about Afghanistan? What if this is what the people of those countries want? What if that government is unhelpful or outwardly hostile to the US? Would we still want them around? That's the up and down-side to democracy; it is what the people make of it.

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    3. Re:Let's face it... by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And guess who gets to decide if those places are unsafe? Oh! Wow! It's the US Government! Now, isn't it interesting that the US regards those areas least in favour of the US as the "most hostile"?


      It's one thing to not have voters cast ballots in genuinely unsafe conditions. It's quite another to rule that areas that support someone other than the US-selected leader cannot vote.


      This makes the fuss over who got onto what banned list in the 2000 US Presidential elections seem like a trivial affair. Here' we're talking about the disenfranchising of entire regions, based on how the US happens to feel about those regions at the time. Those who feel the election is tainted and invalid have some serious grounds for complaint. Now all they have to do is find anyone who'll listen. That's the hard part.

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    4. Re:Let's face it... by FFFish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To run yet another clarification across the line:

      Imagine finding out that Kerry's speechwriter is the same guy as Bush's speechwriter. One guy writing two wholly different scripts; ignore how difficult that would be, and focus on the shock of realizing one guy ultimately decides what either of them is to say.

      It would be a little unnerving, to say the least.

      Same sorta thing about Bush and Alliwa. A little unnerving that the guy who is running Iraq is in lockstep agreement with Bush, right down to the cute catchphrases.

      The image of a muppet with a human up its ass comes to mind, as one man is controlling two leaders. Not so sure that's a very wise idea, especially as that puppeteer wasn't elected for the job.

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    5. Re:Let's face it... by lav-chan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What exactly does 'lost the popular vote' have to do with anything? The popular vote does not matter. IT NEVER HAS. The citizens of the United States do not vote for the President -- the states do. That is how it works now, and that is how it has always worked.

      The elections of 2000 were not the first time a candidate has lost the popular vote yet won the presidency. It happened in 1824. It happened in 1876. It happened in 1888. It will happen again eventually.


      I dislike Bush as much as anybody, but Jesus Christ, people need to get over that subject. The Electoral College is in place for a very specific and important reason. If America worked by direct democracy, the candidates would only have to win the huge urban areas like New York and Los Angeles in order to win the presidency. The Electoral College, at least partly, ensures that candidates have to win other places, too, like the Mid-west (e.g., Iowa, where i live and Kerry/Edwards and Bush/Cheney have passed through multiple times in the past few months).

      If you want to argue that the Electoral College could be improved (for example, make it proportional instead of winner-takes-all), i might agree with you. (In fact, i do support making it proportional in all states.) Or if you wanted to argue that maybe somehow voters were disenfranchised in Florida and that caused Gore to lose Florida's electoral vote, i might agree with you. (Although i think that's kind of getting worn out too.) But pouting because Bush didn't win the popular vote is just retarded. :/

    6. Re:Let's face it... by spitzak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite, because the number of electors per state is N+2, where N is (supposedly) the population multiplied by a constant. Thus in a state with a smaller population, each person gets a slightly more powerful vote even if the electors are distributed proportionally. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is another matter.

      I do agree tha proportionally distributing the electors, and even allowing fractional distributions, would be a good thing. The previous election could have changed completely with only a few thousand votes changing in Florida (such a small number that it was way below the noise so in fact it really is impossible to tell who won and Gore is just as legitimate of a "winner" as Bush, no matter what anybody says). Under a fractional proportional elector system this could not happen. This would be an enormous improvement, even if it is still possible (but much harder) for the winner to not win the popular vote.

  5. Is anyone surprised? by hwestiii · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should we be surprised by this? The entire Iraq war has been managed more as a political event than a military action. That this administration, which is profoundly unwilling to consider any views than those expressed in its own talking points, would spoon feed self-serving rhetoric to its hand picked Iraqi puppet shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

    I suspect Senator Finestein's shock is strictly rhetorical. I certainly hope it is.

    1. Re:Is anyone surprised? by ImpTech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More to the point, Allawi's comments were *clearly* taken right from previous Bush speeches. He so closely parroted Bush, of course the White House wrote it for him! I can't believe that anybody listened to his speech and thought otherwise.

      Heck, the Daily Show did a bit on it... specifically the part where Allawi does the "we are safer, you are safer, the world is safer" bit. I can't even begin to imagine why the Iraqi president would come over here to inform us that we (the US) are "safer". So obviously the White House told him to say it. Can't believe this is even news...

    2. Re:Is anyone surprised? by saltydogdesign · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suspect Senator Finestein's shock is strictly rhetorical. I certainly hope it is.

      The fact that it is no longer shocking is half the reason it keeps happening. Is there a bottom here? If this is not shocking, what is? If the president (any president) were to, say, dissolve Congress, would we all log onto Slashdot and say, "I can't see why anyone would be shocked by this." What if the party in power started jailing the opposition? What if they started shooting them?

      The thing is, I can faintly recall a day when this absolutely would have been shocking. I don't want to ever have to tell my daughter about the time when the scenarios I mention above were viewed as shocking.

      You may be right: Feinstein may be simply rolling out shock for rhetorical reasons, but frankly, I think they are damn good reasons, and I would say that those among us who are too cynical to be shocked ought to be acting like it none-the-less.

      My 1972-adjusted two cents.

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  6. Debate by simgod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hey, I watched the debate... Bush praised Allawi very much... sure ... because he really is a puppet ... he was a CIA agent for christ's sake ... but Kerry surely won it ...

    1. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Will you ever stop beating your wife?

      Read Senator Kerry's testimony to the Senate from 1971. Read it all. Comprehend. Then form an opinion and speak.

      If you can read english, you will see that Kerry was relating details of war crimes related to him by over 100 other men. War crimes that they were coerced and abetted in committing by commanding officers. They knew it was wrong, and they admitted it out of shame, and because they knew that it tarnished the credibility of the United States, which they defended because they loved.

      Fast forward 33 years. Location: Abu Ghraib Prison, Iraq. Same story. Nothing learned. Our national credibility savaged. Maybe because we have a president who admittedly "doesn't read much".

  7. Are we sure? by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because I distinctly saw President Bush take a drink of water while he was speaking.

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    1. Re:Are we sure? by megaduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because I distinctly saw President Bush take a drink of water while he was speaking.

      That's because you weren't watching Karl Rove.

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  8. News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stuff that matters?

    Where are my Star Wars action figures?
    Where are my Natalie Portman pics?
    Where are my eye-burning lasers?
    Where are my new programming languages?

    I want my Slashdot back!

    1. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      All I ask for are some frickin stories about frickin sharks with frickin lasers on their heads. Throw me a bone guys.

  9. it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    BUSH:

    You know, I think about Missy Johnson. She's a fantastic lady I met in Charlotte, North Carolina....

    You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can...

  10. Puppet Show? by siriuskase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This kinda news, whether true or not, doesn't help Bush kill the rumors that Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi isn't some kind of a puppet. But, hey, we wrote the Japanese constitution and made the Empiror publicly declare he wasn't a god, and that all worked out.

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    1. Re:Puppet Show? by coopaq · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This kinda news, whether true or not, doesn't help Bush kill the rumors that Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi isn't some kind of a puppet. But, hey, we wrote the Japanese constitution and made the Empiror publicly declare he wasn't a god, and that all worked out.

      If by worked out you mean - HelloKitty, Anime and porn in the same magazine and a host of other morally questionable changes along with the freakshow you get walking in downtown Tokyo.

      If that means everything worked out then by all means let the Iraqi freakshow begin.

      I'll go!

    2. Re:Puppet Show? by node+3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But, hey, we wrote the Japanese constitution and made the Empiror publicly declare he wasn't a god, and that all worked out.

      That worked because we nuked two of their cities and threatened (even though we were fresh out of nukes) to continue.

      When your only choice is to accept or be annihilated, you'll find people generally accept. In Japan the people were united behind Hirohito. Beating him was seen in the eyes of the Japanese as beating the Japanese. In Iraq, the people aren't so tied to Saddam. So beating Saddam is not equal to beating the Iraqi people.

      In Iraq they don't face instant and inevitable annihilation, so they aren't as likely to fall in line. That doesn't even take into consideration the cultural differences between Iraq and Japan which determines a sort of national characteristic where in Japan is one of following the rules and in Iraq is not quite so uniform.

  11. Al Lorentz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Incidentally, Al Lorentz is under the threat of serious jail time for speaking out.

    1. Re:Al Lorentz by sedna · · Score: 5, Informative



      http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/29/milit ary_justice/

      Online media, but not a weblog and with sources to follow up on.

    2. Re:Al Lorentz by IAR80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disobeying is one thing. Speaking your mind in a letter is another. If I am a solider I still have the right to an oppinion.

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    3. Re:Al Lorentz by Spetiam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I am a solider I still have the right to an oppinion.

      Yes, but you don't necessarily have the right to express that opinion. As it is so eloquently said, "Soldier, you are here to defend democracy, not to practice it."

  12. Re:Give me a break... by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Informative

    Then why doesn't the USGOV release unedited video of all the good things that are happening in Iraq?

  13. daily show by bigbigbison · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, it is nice to see that someone in Washington watches the Daily Show, I guess. The night after the speech they did a segment showing that several of the phrases in the speech were exactly the same as the president uses.

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    1. Re:daily show by Gregg+Alan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, it is nice to see that someone in Washington watches the Daily Show, I guess. The night after the speech they did a segment showing that several of the phrases in the speech were exactly the same as the president uses.

      Phrases indeed. I long for a day when the President of the United States can speak in complete sentances.

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    2. Re:daily show by hwestiii · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you like the Daily Show, you should take a listeng to this FreshAir interview with John Stewart that was broadcast on NPR today.

      For the first part of the interview he is trademark Stewart, mixing wise cracks with straight lines just about evenly, but about 15 minutes into the interview it really changes. The interviewer starts talking about the reputation that The Daily Show, the self-described "fake news show" has developed as one of the most perceptive analysts of the current state of American politics. Stewart is quite modest, but displays a marvelous level of understanding of the role of the media in America, and the way that its has abrogated its responsibility to be a skeptical filter and not simply an uncritical platform for the political spin-meister of the moment.

      The great irony, of course, is that very few of the talking heads in the "non-fake news" business seem to have this level of understanding of the responsibility they bear.

    3. Re:daily show by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Absolutely right.

      I'm not sure if anyone else has been watching this unfolding, as I have, but the relationship between Ted Coppel and John Stewart is really quite facinating.

      Back during the Democratic convention, Stewart was featured in a Nightline interview, and he discussed the issue of the press no longer trying to get to the facts, but rather just allowing the two sides to go through their talking points, even with blatantly incorrect facts. Before the interview, Coppel made a comment about how uncomfortable he was with so many people getting informed by the Daily Show, but he obviously agreed, at least to some extent, by the end of the interview.

      They got a chance to meet again during the Republican convention, and largely the same thing happened. Stewart talked about how the media is not doing it's job and loosing the public, and Coppel wasn't taking anything too much too heart.

      Each time after these two meet, both their shows change significantly. Coppel just simply gets tougher mainly, but also does a (light) story on the subject. Stewart throws in a few references in his own show, such as the reporter who keeps talking about the confirmed facts as "one side of the story", and explaining that "unbiased" means giving equal time for each side to offer it's spin to the public.

      I've been watching both shows for quite some time, and they've been completely seperate for the entire time. Then they meet, and become instant allies if you will, and there is an immediate and distinct change to both of them each time.

      It's really facinating, mainly because Coppel is perhaps the most trusted news reporter since Cronkite, and he is actually realizing there is substance to the issue. A big change from the status quo, where the media is blissfully wrapped up in itself, and paying no attention to anything unless it comes from another reporter. It's the ultimate in incestuous relationships, and the public is the one who looses out.

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  14. Mod parent down for telling the truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this the Bush admininstration in a nutshell? If you disagree with us, you are un-American, disloyal, unpatriotic.

    That's what America is all about: blindly following our commander-in-chief, not questioning their policies, always agreeing.

    Just give me my 12 hours of TV, and my low-carb 2000 calorie retired dairy cow hamburgers, and my gas-guzzling SUVs, and I WILL BE HAPPY.

    1. Re:Mod parent down for telling the truth! by Hard_Code · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since it wasn't a political thesis, I assumed it was enough to tie the two together that: "Hey, maybe this administration is not giving us the whole story on Iraq " (that includes both prepped speeches by supposedly independent leaders, as well as what is going on on the ground over there).

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  15. Puppeteer? by HitByASquirrel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's interesting that Bush tonight stated that calling the new Iraqi Prime Minister a "puppet" is preposterous.

    But Kerry didn't call him a puppet in the debate.. Bush broght it up. Bush's subcouncious seems to have gotten in his way a few times tonight.

  16. The issue by grainofsand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. is how the President of any other soverign country would behave if he / she was handed a speech to be read while the invited guest of a foreign country.

    Imagine the outcry if Bush or Kerry went to China to address the National People's Congress and was handed a speech and told to read it.

    Iraq is not a US, EU or UN state; it is a soverign country.

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  17. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad President Bush has set upon this crusade at taking out our foes one by one, and remaking it in our image. Their dictators fall, and their citizens live in freedom, meanwhile we gain a foothold in another part of the world.

    The sad thing is that America's image in the rest of the world is so bad right now, that as a foreigner, I am not entirely sure that this guy is trolling.

  18. Let me be the ten billionth person to say by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful
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      The selections I have checked to exclude still appear. If I reverse all the checkbox selections (in case you have to check them to make them *appear*) - nothing changes. Nothing I do in the section preferences makes a diff what's on the front page - checked or unchecked. Yes, I am logged in and cookies are enabled for this domain. The slashboxes however are working as selected.

  19. Re:Give me a break... by mapmaker · · Score: 4, Informative
    You may have read the article but you missed the salient point: It wasn't just the US Government that helped write the speech, it was BUSH CAMPAIGN WORKERS. It was a campaign speech disguised as a diplomatic event.

    And that makes it all the more repugnant that Bush and Co. have been complaining about Kerry criticizing the speech. Bush has his puppet prime minister give a campaign speech and Kerry isn't allowed to criticize it? Puh-leeze.

  20. Youre missing the point by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point isn't that "people dont write their own speeches" the point is that a foreign government's party (the Republicans) wrote a speech for an Iraqi national AND Prime Minister (Allawi) to deliver to the US congress.

    That's not "spin" or "status quo" thats outright imperialism.

  21. I'm amazed by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm amazed that this is the first person to stand up and say this publically. Because it was the first thing I said on a politics mailing list I'm on a week ago when I read the transcript of the speech. And everybody else (we all read the transcript) pretty much agreed with me that it was written at least in part by the Bush administration, more likely in full - and this is a list that has more conservatives than liberals on it.


    I just assumed it would be obvious from the fact that Allawi repeated not one, but almost every catchphrase that Bush throws into all of his speeches on the "war on terror". Anyway, read the speech for yourself and see if it sounds like chunks of it came from the same speechwriters Bush uses. Mind you, I'd expect Allawi to be thankful and congratulatory, since he needs the US's continued commitment right now, but I wouldn't expect his own speechwriters to parrot back Bush's campaign slogans word-for-word.


    Anyway, this doesn't come as a surprise to me, it was just much more blatant and obvious than I would have thought possible. Another poster brought up Julius Caesar, who wrote his conquered enemies speeches for them. His long lived and immensely successful successor, Caesar Augustus, was the master of running an authoritarian regime while maintaining all the dressings of the Republic, practically the inventor of political spin and authoritarianism cloaked in democracy.


    Unfortunately, the analogies don't end there. Trading freedom for security under authoritarian regimes was practically pioneered by the Romans. If our schoolchildren were forced to read some of the classics, I wonder how different things might be in America today.

    1. Re:I'm amazed by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Interesting
      OK, now please, that's being more than a bit silly. I don't mean 'forced' with a whip or stick - the fact is children are forced to read many things in school because we collectively believe as a society that education is good for children. Teaching our children to be good citizens who know how to question authority and think for themselves is a noble goal, and required reading lists aren't any more "authoritarian" than anything else in school.


      In fact, I think as kids get older and are in high school they should have a lot more choices about which subjects to study, within certain guidelines, but that doesn't change my position that a strong core of every child's education should include reading Plato, Ovid, and Virgil, at least in sampler form at the later elementary or junior high school level, and in complete form in high school. Additionally, Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", probably in one of the abridged forms, and some of the other excellent historical analyses of the Roman era should be read by every American schoolchild by the time they graduate from high school.


      I had a very modest exposure to the classics and ancient Greek and Roman history in high school, and that was at a top private school. At the public schools I went to in elementary and junior high school, forget about it. Two of the best classes I took in college were "The Rome of Augustus" and "Alexander the Great". I remember thinking that a lot of the material is pretty accessible, and so relevant to modern life, I was amazed that more of it isn't taught at a younger age in the US.


      Instead, we read great literature like "Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit" and lots of crappy books I can't really remember. Every year we had to read some damned politically correct book on how oppressed black people were 100 years ago, or how oppressed gay people are now (that trend came when I was in high school). I got it after the first 10 times. Anyway, not saying there shouldn't be modern literature or modern history in the curriculum, but it seems with the death of latin as a commonly taught subject, the educational profession also decided to kill off all the excellent, very interesting and critically important parts of ancient literature and history that are key to understanding what a democracy is, what a republic is, how the originators of these governmental forms perceived them, and how much they questioned the assumptions underlying their governments and the behavior of their fellow citizens, how often they were deluded or tricked by their leaders, and the many missteps they made in running their own society, of which their writers were often acutely aware.


      Okay, I'm ranting again, but I can't stress how important this is. Most Americans would say they believe in Western liberal democracy, but as often as not they don't really understand what it is and where it came from. Our President talks of bringing freedom to the world, but I have a feeling he's never read any of the works I'm describing either (he may have read a certain book by Macchiavelli however, or at least some of his aides clearly have).

  22. Surprise surprise . . . . . by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 5, Funny

    The puppet prime minister of the puppet government of a half-conquered nation is saying what his puppet boss' bosses tell him.

    I for one welcome our puppet overlords.

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  23. Nice moderating there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seeing how the comments so far have been moderated, it's quite clear that the moderators are either unaware, or unwilling to be aware of a serious problem in America.
    -1 mod for overrated? For posting two editorials critical of the war?

    This is a prime example of why America is headed for disaster.

    If you're genuinely interested in knowing what's really happening in the world, I would suggest looking beyond CNN, FOX, Wall Street journal and the New York Times. All of America's big media is owned by a very small group with very strong political leanings. When you look to them, you only get one side of the story.

    If you want the other side, places like www.cursor.org are a good place to start.

    1. Re:Nice moderating there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're genuinely interested in knowing what's really happening in the world ... look to the world for your news, not just media in the US. Media outlets in other countries are not afraid to be critical of the US in their everyday reporting. With the internet, it's easy to look up news from other countries.

      Language barrier? Just read the Aussie news (reg. required, sorry).

    2. Re:Nice moderating there by jsebrech · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wouldn't say the leaning is necessarily political, that would imply those who own the media actually care about anything but profit, and I see no evidence that's the case.

      The media can legally lie, this has been the case for decades. So if you're a business, and your primary goal is to make profit, and it isn't always most profitable to tell the truth, and there's no financial harm in telling a lie, why not lie? Also, why try to do investigative journalism to find out the truth? If you do the hard research and find out the truth, you can get one story out of it, maybe two. If you don't do the research, you can report a new story every time someone involved in the story makes a comment about it. Perfect example of this: swift boat vets, with research you can validate or invalidate their claims, but no one in the mainstream media tried to do that because it would kill the story. So most news outlets tend to have stories biased in all directions, which is why the same news sources (CNN) get called biased to the right and biased to the left at the very same time. It's because they are biased in both directions, since their allegiance is not to politics, but to profitability.

      The name of the game is drawing viewers to draw advertisers. In order to not scare away viewers, you can't tell them what they don't want to hear. What americans don't want to hear is that Iraq is a failed venture, so the failings in Iraq get downplayed and underreported. How often have you heard people complain the news is too negative, and how often have you heard them complain the news is too positive? People don't like to hear bad things about themselves or their country, so in order to keep them tuned to your station, you try to keep from telling them that. Also, advertisers. You can't take extreme positions, even if they're true, on issues because it will scare away advertisers. So the media tends to line stories in so much vagueness and he-said-she-said's that no advertiser can object to it, which doesn't exactly serve the truth either.

      This is made worse by a republican message machine which is decades ahead of the democrat one. You have the conservative talk radio network, the white house which blocks access to reporters who ask the tough questions, the centralised talking points distribution network on the republican side, which dupes people into thinking a story has legitimacy because "everyone" is saying it, and on and on. This is why you can credibly argue a right wing bias in the media. It's not that the media sets out to be biased, it's that the republicans have tailored their PR to exploit the biases that are built into the media as it stands.

      So, what to do about it? Number one is lots of media watchdog groups which inform the media of everything they report wrong from all sides of the political spectrum. That exists now. Number two is to bring back the illegality of lying in the press. No journalist in an official press capacity should ever be allowed to knowingly report a lie as fact. How to do this, I'm not exactly clear on. Maybe allowing people to sue for journalistic malpractice, like how you can sue your doctor for medical malpractice. But it still needs to be done. Number three is to get more variation in the media by bringing back reasonable ownership limits. I'm not advocating breaking up the media empires that exist, I'm just saying no one should be allowed to buy new outlets beyond a certain rather low marketshare, which over time will make the media market diversify again as media outlets get sold by the major media empires. And as long as I'm in fantasy land, number four would be to teach everyone a class on logic in high school, explaining what logical fallacies are, and how to recognize them, and explaining how to verify a claim you hear through logic, instead of through fallacy. But like I said, that would be fantasy land.

    3. Re:Nice moderating there by lee7guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, or maybe BBC News. No registration requiered.

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    4. Re:Nice moderating there by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, there was a very interesting documentary by a journalist in Iraq on a few weeks ago on BBC 2 ( I think it was repeat ) who was spending time with the American troops, general population and met some of the insurgents / terrorists.

      Some of what he said and filmed was very interesting indeed.

      Sadir city for example he explained as being an extremely poor run down area under Saddam which contrary to the hopes of it's inhabitants remained just as poor an area under the Americans, no running water and no sign of anyone doing anything to improve or rebuild it. This area is now used a recruiting ground for the Medhi army where given the situation of the people there is proving very fertile. It is these people who travelled to the Mosque in Najaf ( or where ever it was ) . When they are back home in Sadr city it is a virtual no go zone for Americans.

      He was also out on the street during some general demonstrations which became increasingly frightening as he was targetted by the crowd as a westerner and before long had a dozen people surrounding him holding guns and knives and someone shouting at him holding a live grenade and threatening to pull the pin. He was rescued by some local shopkeepers who waded into the crowd with a gun and took him into there shop which they then shut up and told him to sit there and wait it out. The interesting bit is what he said about his rescuers, essentially he let it out he'd met them before but on that occasion it was during an interview he'd obtained with the insurgent forces i.e. the people who rescued him were deeply involved in a lot of the terrorism going on in the area.

      The other interesting thing was that a lot of the insurgents he interviewed were fanatically religious but some of the other leaders he intervied showed no sign of religious fanaticism at all and appeared to have a very practical outlook.

      I think the overwhelming sense I got from that documentary is that Iraq is not a simple problem, various people are all involved in fighting; Americans, religious groups, 'the resistance' and no one is really involved in actually rebuilding much or improving anything. The Americans can't because they are too busy concentrating on their own security and the Iraqis aren't because they either have no resources or they are too busy planting roadside bombs.

      The really worrying thing is the sheer amount of Iraq which is now effectively out of the Americans control and controlled by the resistance or lunatic religious groups. At the end of day the general Iraqi population are happy to be free from Saddam but very unhappy about the destruction of their country and the security situation.

    5. Re:Nice moderating there by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ...Look to the world for your news, not just media in the US. Media outlets in other countries are not afraid to be critical of the US in their everyday reporting.

      My first big exposure to this was during the Iran Hostage crisis in 1979. US Media was "Oh, those Iranians hate us, they want to kill us and they don't think straight.:
      Canadian media got most of their feeds from US stations, but were more moderate... pointing out how Iranians liked the US people but had serious distrust for the US Government.
      European media were essentially going "What the hell is the US Doing???? Are they nuts????? They saw US actions in Iran at the time as counter-productive and generally stupid.

      My reading is that US actions in the late 70s and early 80s destroyed the political lives of just about every moderate in Iran (most of them ended up dead), and pushed Iran from being neutral/pro US into being a heavily anti-US radical Islamic state. We're still dealing with that debacle -- including the very new quagmire in Iraq which has raised anti-US sentiment in the region to an entirely new level.

      When Bush I led the Invasion of Iraq in 1991, Iraqis saw the incoming coalition as a savior. When Bush Sr. called on them to revolt against Saddam, many did so. Even after receiving a brutal drubbing at the hands of the US, Iraqi soldiers were doing things like spontaneously chanting "Long Live George Bush".

      There was even a case of a tank crew coming across a bunch of American soldiers with their jeep stuck. The tank crew pulled the American soldiers out of their quagmire, and then happily surrendered to them.

      What did the Bush Sr. do for them? Once he had achieved his objectives, he stopped what would have been a victory drive into a breathlessly waiting Baghdad, and modified the terms of Iraq's no-fly orders to allow Saddam to use his helicopters to brutally suppress the very revolt that Bush had called for.

      He completely betrayed his allies (the people of Iraq). That is probably a very big part of what Bush Jr. had going against him when he invaded Iraq in the first place -- the name of his father who killed one part of the Iraqi population, and then betrayed the rest. Leaving them in the hands of a brutal dictator and punnishing them with sanctions to boot.

      US actions in Iraq in this invasion (being very careless of neutral Iraqi lives) have made things even worse. Things like the debacle in Abu Gharab prison and the killing if Iraqi kids who had gathered around a disabled US tank have made things much worse.

      For the time being, as long as Bush is in power, the USA has absolutely no chance of succeeding in Iraq.

      If Americans want to salvage any sort of success in Iraq, the first thing they have to do is vote Bush out of office. -- Then Kerry needs to completely shift the attitude of the US military in Iraq to one of protecting and aiding Neutral Iraqis -- The US said that they went into Iraq to protect the Iraqi people, and they now need to act consistent with those words -- or eat them along with bombs and bullets.

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    6. Re:Nice moderating there by revscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They blame Saddam and his cronies for the killings since 1991, believe it or not.

      Overly simplistic. Of course the Kurds blame Saddam for the killings. But they *also* blame Bush Sr. for not supporting their uprising when they had been given tacit acknowledgement that we would provide such support. When the Kurds did revolt Bush specifically instructed our troops to stay out of the way. Pilots later reported watching from their cockpits as Iraqi helicopters wiped out large numbers of Kurdish rebels.

      So yeah, they're a little bit bitter about that.

    7. Re:Nice moderating there by rxmd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If Iranians like American people, then why did they take civilians hostage?
      I don't know, maybe because not all Iranians like all Americans?

      The embassy kidnappings in Tehran were done by a highly radicalized group of religious students active in the Islamic Revolution. Khomeini called the US embassy in Tehran a "US den of espionage" and ordered it kidnapped, and these students did it. Basically, they treated the embassy personnel like enemy soldiers because they considered more or less all of them to be spies and because they (as young, inexperienced and highly radical) had no respect for diplomatic immunity. The former embassy is now being used as barracks for the Revolutionary Guards, and on the embassy corner there is a souvenir shop selling replicas of US documents labeled "Top Secret" about the good relations between the US, Israel and the Shah's government.

      Most Iranians like the American way of life and have nothing against Americans. However, they have been highly indoctrinated against America as such. Most of them have been watching TV what goes on in Iraq, too. There's murals like this (another view) and this all over Tehran, and recently, some new ones have appeared where they reproduced pictures from Abu Ghuraib.

      To put it another way: the average Iranian in Iran, at least judging from whom I've spoken to, likes America as the cradle of the American way of life, as a place to get a good education etc., and has no grudges against individual Americans, yet shows profound distrust of America as a political superpower. If (and that's a big if) the US were to invade Iran to avoid the government acquiring the A-bomb, the outcome depends on how quickly the US would be able to restore/provide peace, stability, prosperity and individual freedom so that the Iranian people would come to judge America by the former aspect rather than the latter.

      (Again: I've had first-hand experience of the country, and I'm saying this out of experience as a consultant and language trainer (Farsi and Dari) for the German army, who expect serious trouble in Iran within the next five or ten years; read: large-scale peacekeeping mission. Please, US, don't botch this, it would be a complete disaster.)

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  24. Simpsons quote... by Mastadex · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh My God, The PTA has disbanded!!

    *jumps thru window*

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  25. Fun with words! by helix400 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...allegedly wrote...

    Is this the part where I get to assume it's already fact?

    1. Re:Fun with words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...allegedly wrote...

      Is this the part where I get to assume it's already fact?


      Did you actually read the original speech?

      You could have taken the Bush 2003 State of the Union Address Drinking Game, played with Allawi's speech and gotten smaashed off your arse.

      If Bush's aides didn't write that speech for Allawi, then Allawi and his goons have been going through Karl Rove's garbage can.

  26. Daily Show by NoseSocks · · Score: 3, Funny

    Off topic, yes, but how many people here think the Daily Show will have infinite material after tonight's debates? The Puppet comments alone could be used to make a miniseries.

  27. Kerry said no such thing by subtropolis · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was talking about the statements made by other people. From the transcript:

    I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.

    It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

    They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

    Please read the transcript (hell, skim it) before coming to any conclusions about Kerry's actions in '72. The 'media' sure ain't going to clarify any of this. We need to do it ourselves.

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  28. Re:I long for the day by mattdm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I dunno -- I would like to think the basic qualifications for "President of the United States of America" would be slightly higher than those for "random Slashdot poster".

  29. Democratic Underground by slam+smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is just me or is slashdot politics sounding awful similar to Democratic Underground.

    The shrill nature of the allegations and insinuations are just laughable against President Bush.

  30. Re:Alternative by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just look at Africa -- after Britain and France pulled out, everything went to straight to hell.

    No, depending on where you're talking about, many countries in Africa did fine and dandy for a couple of decades.

    -jcr

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  31. Re:Why did Bush quit drinking gin? by chitownIrish · · Score: 3, Funny
    I've said many times that if I had a time machine, I would go back to that precise point in history where Dubya first dried up and found Jesus...

    and buy him a shot, a beer and a lap dance. It would be the most well spent fifty bucks in history.

  32. The Bush administration is habitually dishonest. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Interesting


    I recommend a new book, The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty. Don't expect any author to be perfect. However, this book is an excellent overview of the Bush family, and the best book by this author. Here is a quote which shows just one more fact about the chronic lying of George Herbert Walker Bush and his son George W. Bush:

    "The official family tree provided by the Bush archivists does not include the two mentally retarded daughters of John M. Walker, and lists only two of James Smith Bush's wives, not all four of them; one of Ray Walker's two wives is omitted, and George Herbert Walker III is listed with only two, instead of three, wives."

    Note that the author of that book has never lost a lawsuit, for any of her writings. As you would expect from a major publishing house like Doubleday: "Before publication, each book is vetted by several sets of lawyers; facts and sources are checked and rechecked and sources documented."

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    Before, Saddam was killing. Now, the U.S. Gov. is killing and destabilizing, and you pay. Improvement?

  33. MOD PARENT UP!!!! Exactly right. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful


    "Seeing how the comments so far have been moderated, it's quite clear that the moderators are either unaware, or unwilling to be aware of a serious problem in America."

    MOD PARENT UP!!!! Exactly right.

    You cannot develop an accurate opinion by listening to the innuendo from media employees who would lose their jobs if they seemed to indicate a preference for one candidate over another. Remember, the media exists to make money. Unfortunately, we don't have directly supported media, only ad supported media, and advertisers, understandably, are careful not to alienate anyone.

    Please don't be intimidated by someone with unspecified objections, or objections that merely try to draw attention away from the major issues. Consider everything in the light of your own experiences and your own extensive investigation.

    If you have never read the books about the Bush family and Bush administration, I suggest you do so. If you read the books, you will see that the corruption is far worse than you are being told.

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  34. Re:Right by jgardn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just re-emphasises the fact that the US thinks that it should place it's influence on everything and everybody.

    Yeah, because we should be influencing other people to stand for equality, democracy, and civil liberties. Just like we influenced the Afghanis to depose the Taliban, put girls back in school, and allow women to participate in society as something more than property.

    Like the way we influenced Japanese to throw away tyrannical rule by despots and adopt a democracy. Just like we convinced the Germans that having a nutjob whacko for a dictator is not a good idea. Just like we influenced the British, Indians, Chinese, and pretty much every other world out there that maybe, just maybe, freedom is a viable alternative to oh, say, injustice, hatred, violence, and tyranny.

    Yeah, I think you have a great point here. So many people want to influence the world to do evil, to trade in slaves and blood, to sell out their own countries for a little profit, while the US is standing up for the individuality and freedom and humanity, at the cost of instant gratification.

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  35. You just don't get it, do you? by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As if ANY politician these days (including Diane Feinstein) writes their own speeches, instead of having them "massaged by their campaign operatives"...

    No one is complaining that Allawi didn't write his own speech. What they are complaining about is that it was written by Bush's campaign operatives.

    Don't you see a difference between Allawi having his speech written by his own, independent speech writers and having it written by Bush campaign operatives? Allawi is supposed to be the leader of a sovereign nation, not a member of the Republican party giving stump speeches to promote Bush's reelection.

  36. Re:Good by eddeye · · Score: 4, Insightful
    as a foreigner, I am not entirely sure that this guy is trolling.

    Sadly, he's probably not. A sizable portion of the country say such things in all seriousness.

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  37. Re:This just proves the point by GrahamCox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You make an interesting point, but I believe you're wrong about Germany. The last time Germany was a world leader in science and engineering? Um, how about right now? "Getting lots of attention" was never of much importance to most mature nations, except, oh, maybe the US. Germany makes the best cars in the world, which is a highly visible aspect to their engineering prowess. Also Airbus is whupping Boeing's ass with high tech engineering. In science they have some of the most heavily funded university research programs that exist. Much of this isn't very visible, but maybe it's because they do real science rather than the publicity seeking Studies Of Blinding Obviousness (SOBO(TM)) which is what sadly passes for much of US funded research. Germans also have forward thinking ideas about the environment and equality, etc, which the rest of the world would be a better place for adopting. Your stereotyped view of the country is just that, a stereotype, and unjustified at that. Your view is just as silly as the "you lost the war" and "world cup '66 forever" attitude of some of my countrymen. And they don't have a chimp for president.

  38. There is no hint George W. Bush was gay. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Interesting


    The record seems to show that George W. Bush became a cheerleader because he wanted to be close to the campus leaders, who were, at the time, athletes. Since he did not excel at athletics, being a cheerleader was the only way he could be one of the student leaders. The captain of the cheerleaders was part of the social group that included the captains of the teams.

    George W. Bush was an obnoxious alcoholic then. The culture of alcoholics is very different from the male gay culture. There is no hint George W. Bush was gay. He was interested in partying, and being close to the student leaders was a way to be involved in the parties. Two of his arrests came from stunts that seem like something a drunk person would do. The third arrest was for drunk driving.

    I can cite numerous authorities for this. For example, see George W. Bush: Living the Bush Legacy.

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  39. The U.S. government is building 16 permanent bases by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The U.S. government is building 16 permanent bases in Iraq. This was mentioned in the debate tonight. They apparently want control over the oil. They apparently care about nothing else. A democratic country is one that has control over its own resources.

  40. Re:Letters from Iraq by DrMrLordX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Men elect to become cheerleaders in the hopes of being able to hold a female cheerleader aloft by her crotch. Sometimes they try to sneak a peek up there, too. That hardly seems homosexual to me.

    Mod me down if you like, but you know it's true.

  41. Re:The U.S. government is building 16 permanent ba by antiMStroll · · Score: 4, Informative
    Funny you should mention, I'm not usually a Naomi Klein fan but this one's a must-read:

    http://harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

  42. More Letters from the Front by mveloso · · Score: 3, Insightful

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    Dear mum,

    our flatulant, pompus general lost another battle. This is hopeless. We've lost every battle so far, and General Washington keeps retreating. Will we retreat all the way to the territories? How am I to get back to this fall's harvest if the British burn our fields?

    Indeed, the times are grim, and I wonder what is to become of us. All we hear is how things are going well, but all I see is death and retreat.

    -----

    People on the ground rarely have any idea of what's going on.

  43. Re:Letters from Iraq by Che+Guevarra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
    AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION

    "The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.

    Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tonnes and that the quality was poor and the product unstable. Consequently, it was said, that the agent was never weaponised. Iraq said that the small quantity of agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

    (2003 report)
    UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared.

    There are also indications that the agent was weaponised. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals, which Iraq states were lost during bombing in the Gulf War or were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq.

    I would now like to turn to the so-called "Air Force document" that I have discussed with the Council before. This document was originally found by an UNSCOM inspector in a safe in Iraqi Air Force Headquarters in 1998 and taken from her by Iraqi minders. It gives an account of the expenditure of bombs, including chemical bombs, by Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War. I am encouraged by the fact that Iraq has now provided this document to UNMOVIC.

    The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.

    The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions.

    The investigation of these rockets is still proceeding. Iraq states that they were overlooked from 1991 from a batch of some 2,000 that were stored there during the Gulf War. This could be the case. They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for.

    The finding of the rockets shows that Iraq needs to make more effort to ensure that its declaration is currently accurate. During my recent discussions in Baghdad, Iraq declared that it would make new efforts in this regard and had set up a committee of investigation. Since then it has reported that it has found a further 4 chemical rockets at a storage depot in Al Taji.

    I might further mention that inspectors have found at another site a laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor.

    Whilst I am addressing chemical issues, I should mention a matter, which I reported on 19 December 2002, concerning equipment at a civilian chemical plant at Al Fallujah. Iraq has declared that it had repaired chemical processing equipment previously destroyed under UNSCOM supervision, and had installed it at Fallujah for the production of chlorine and phenols. We have inspected this equipment and are conducting a detailed technical evaluation of it. On completion, we will decide whether this and other equipment that has been recovered by Iraq should be destroyed.

    Biological weapons

    I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.

    Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which i

  44. BS Alert! by RealProgrammer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I am not an armchair quarterback. Nor am I some politically idealistic and naÃve young soldier...

    Al Lorentz is the former Chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas. He was against the war in Iraq, because Lorentz believes in isolationism (even after 9/11). So while he is not "some politically idealistic and naÃve young soldier", that's only true because he's not young. He is a political ideologue, with an anti-Bush paranoia.

    I am an old and seasoned Non-Commissioned Officer with nearly 20 years under my belt. Additionally, I am not just a soldier with a muds-eye view of the war, I am in Civil Affairs and as such, it is my job to be aware of all the events occurring in this country and specifically in my region.

    That made my Bullshit Detector go off like a Claymore in a cattle drive.

    Al Lorentz spent most of his career in the Reserves.

    A noncomm in Civil Affairs doesn't have a "muds-eye view" of the war at all. He may as well be back in Texas, for all the fighting he'll see. This guy is an armchair General. Why isn't he an officer? Because he's incompetent for a commission, that's why.

    Al Lorentz was a Bush basher before he went to Iraq, and he's a Bush basher now.

    From another article by Lorentz:
    Pigeon holing is a mental tool used by the ignorant to help them disregard information, ideas and people whom they are incapable or unwilling to understand. A good example of pigeon holing is to declare flippantly that anyone who believes any sort of conspiracy whatsoever as some sort of kook. Never mind that history is replete with proven conspiracies and that a conspiracy is merely two or more individuals conspiring together for any means.
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    1. Re:BS Alert! by eyeye · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hold on here, being against bush means you can never legitimately criticise him?

      I hate hitler. If I was to point out some of his crimes would you just brush them off saying I am just some "political ideologue, with an anti-hitler paranoia".


      Pigeon holing is a mental tool used by the ignorant to help them disregard information

      ahhh the sweet irony of you posting that.
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      Bush and Blair ate my sig!
    2. Re:BS Alert! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hold on here, being against bush means you can never legitimately criticise him?

      Weren't you watching the debate?
      Bush kept attacking Kerry on the basis that Kerry is critical of Bush's own war policy and is therefore unfit to be president.

    3. Re:BS Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe Lorentz has bashed Bush elsewhere, but that is completely irrelevant. He provides a series of well reasoned arguments, and your response is nothing but ad hominem misdirection -- typically the best that proponents of Bush's war can muster when confronted with the facts in the field instead of mindless ideological fantasies. As for the comment that Lorentz has "spent most of his career in the Reserves", well, the irony, given the military record of the current occupant of the White House who led us into this mess, is palpable.

  45. what's going on by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the soldier's letter were written in Arabic (by an Iraqi), your letter might be a reasonable parallel. Or perhaps if it were written in 18th Century French, by a foreign liberator, as part of a doomed war where the colonists attacked their liberators in order to join a neighboring Puritan colony in Canada, which freed itself from the French 20 years prior, that they'd been sent to war against in the intervening decade.

    Who, in your opinion, *does* know what's going on in Iraq? Allawi, their new leader, whose speeches are written for him by the White House who chose him for his past CIA work? You?

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    1. Re:what's going on by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who, in your opinion, *does* know what's going on in Iraq? Allawi, their new leader, whose speeches are written for him by the White House who chose him for his past CIA work?

      All this does is show Allawi to be an American puppet. Which is a conclusion many people, both inside and outside of Iraq, had already come to.

  46. Re:Letters from Iraq by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Tell me I'm wrong. This report was filed in January of 2003. 2 months before the "evil" George Bush began the war.

    It could be filed two years before for all its importance. Not only this report is a lot of "maybe-coulda-woulda", it is also quite silly that otherwise intelligent people are so easilly fooled by all of this Iraq WMD talk. VX is known to be possessed by just about any two-bit country on the planet, including places like Serbia. Anthrax is produced from cow dung. A few nutcases were able to make it in a bathtub in England. Etc. Etc. If Saddam was truly bent on using this (rather awkward and unreliable weapon), he would have done so looong ago. Actually he did in 1980s on the Kurds and probably like every military before him, decided the thing was useless. Did you ever wonder why during WWII noone used chemical weapons on the battlefield? All sides had them. They are just extremely useless things in combat. Additionally, Iraq had no capability to produce nuclear technology in any meaningful way for a foreseeable future due to constant oversight.

    Truly frightening bio-weapons are of genetic nature and at this point in time beyond reach of the terrorists. This will unforunately change in not so remote future and because of the nature of the technology they will become the primary, cheap and widely available weapon of unspeakable terror.

  47. Allawi by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative
    In case y'all didn't know, Allawi is also a longtime CIA and Mossad "asset".

    Maybe some of the insurgency is inspired by the feeling that the country shouldn't have a U.S./Israeli mole installed as chief executive, no?

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    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:Allawi by krunk7 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You must go to sleep early, not once during the entire debate did Kerry say he would "pull out of Iraq ASAP." In fact he was very clear about his intended Iraq policy:
      • Involve a coalition of all nations to share in the rebuilding of Iraq in order to lighten the burden on American soldiers and economy.
      • Ensure that the Iraqi forces had been adequately trained to perform necessary police actions.
      • And take all means necessary to foster the view that America is not an occupier, but an enabler.

      I found this refreshing to Bush's repetative and very non-specific "We're going to win!" over and over with no real substance as far as a clear plan and intelligent resolve. . .

    2. Re:Allawi by Hard_Code · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I perceived from Bush:

      1) we are right, therefore we are going to win
      2) it doesn't matter if we botched the job with no planning and inadequate support because, uh, we are RIGHT!
      3) if we are losing it's only because the enemy is hating us more for being right
      4) my administration didn't make any mistakes because I am right
      5) if you criticize anything we do, I simply mention that it's a hard job and reinforce the fact that I am doing a hard job, regardless of whether it is the right job
      6) if you highlight how bad a job we are doing, you are actually perversely on the terrorists side and the public should discount you because the terrorists want to hear that we are doing a bad job
      7) since I don't want them (or you) to hear that, I'll just keep repeating that we are doing the right thing
      8) a decisive but WRONG course is much better than any indecisive course
      9) but that doesn't matter anyway because...I'm right

      On the pro side, Bush did come out I think revealing that, yes, he can remember facts and names. Since the bar is so low, this makes him seem ultra smart.

      As far as Kerry he's already fucked himself because his statements have been so easy to spin, he can't dispell the myths around him, and the "debate" format doesn't allow him time to. There were many non-rational things Bush said, or foolish misinterpretations (either intentional or unintentional) by Bush of what Kerry had just said, that Kerry didn't have time to rebut. For instance, Kerry said that the test of whether to go to war is a more "global test" (or "universal test" I forget), namely that you have to be able to say to a soldier's family you did everything you could to avoid it, and Bush either intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreted this and played dumbfounded that Kerry was talking about some "global tests" as if he was talking about some world-wide exam. How can you debate somebody that can't even understand what you are saying? I get the feeling if he had said "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" Bush would have started saying: "what is this guy talking about, 'playing with birds', HEY WE'RE AT WAR!"

      sigh.

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      It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
    3. Re:Allawi by Squeeze+Truck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In case y'all didn't know, Allawi is also a longtime CIA and Mossad "asset".

      So is Osama Bin Laden.

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      "Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao

    4. Re:Allawi by The+Queen · · Score: 3, Funny

      How can you debate somebody that can't even understand what you are saying?

      You know what? They ran a piece in my local paper yesterday suggesting what each candidate should do (or not do) during the debate, and one of their suggestions was that Kerry should not use so many big words.

      Yes, I live in Republicanland (VA, the "Old Dominion" - or as my dad used to say, the "Old Dumb Onion").

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    5. Re:Allawi by Hard_Code · · Score: 4, Funny

      I forgot:

      *) "I believe I'm going to win" "I expect to win". [ that's what we like, complete lack of humility ]
      *) "I understand" "I know that" "of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. I know that." I'M BRIAN FELLOWS! [ ok I made up that last part, but it's reassuring that the president knows whether he knows something, especially who attacked us ]

      And now on the one hand Bush accuses Kerry of disrespecting allies and the current coalition, while on the other hand he is now out campaigning and saying that having a committee with allies won't accomplish anything and that "The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto from countries like France" - now regardless of whether that is a plainly stupid tautology on the face of it, what of Bush insulting France? When Kerry criticizes the efficacy of the current coalition it's disrespectful, but Bush French-bashing (last I checked, even though they disagree with this administration, they are still one of our country's prime allies), hey, that's fair game! And not to mention "You can't claim terrorists cross the border into Iraq, yet at the same time try to claim that Iraq is somehow a diversion from the war against terror." DING DING logic alert. Pop quiz: Did 1) the war on Iraq cause terrorists to flood in, or did 2) terrorists flooding in cause the war on Iraq? If you answered #1, you have a firm inherent grasp of causality! Attacking Iraq lead to terrorists crossing the border. DUH. Now it may be involved in the "war on terror" only because you made it a big fucking terror magnet that it wasn't before! Good job! Let's bomb Iran and North Korea too, I hear there are terrorists waiting to cross the border right at this moment!

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      It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
  48. Report from Iraq. By on who actually is there! by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The following text was located at BoingBoing, and is supposed to be from Wall Street Journalist, Farnaz Fassihi, located in Bagdhad. I Googled her name a bit, and Farnaz Fassihi is indeed on WSJ staff as a journalist. I do not know if this e-mail she sent is real so I asked her. A reply is pending. Anyway, it is good reading, and it is A LOT more like the AP and AFP newswire reports I see every day than the hard-ass edited Fox News and CNN stuff I see (Yes, we get Fox News in Norway. No, it is not "fair and balanced")

    9/30/2004

    Farnaz Fassihi, a Wall Street Journal correspondent in Iraq, confirmed that a widely-redistributed letter she emailed to friends about the nightmarish situation in Iraq was indeed written by her. Too bad the WSJ doesn't allow this reporter to write these kinds of stories for the paper.

    =====

    Being a foreign correspondent in Baghdad these days is like being under virtual house arrest. Forget about the reasons that lured me to this job: a chance to see the world, explore the exotic, meet new people in far away lands, discover their ways and tell stories that could make a difference.

    Little by little, day-by-day, being based in Iraq has defied all those reasons. I am house bound. I leave when I have a very good reason to and a scheduled interview. I avoid going to people's homes and never walk in the streets. I can't go grocery shopping any more, can't eat in restaurants, can't strike a conversation with strangers, can't look for stories, can't drive in any thing but a full armored car, can't go to scenes of breaking news stories, can't be stuck in traffic, can't speak English outside, can't take a road trip, can't say I'm an American, can't linger at checkpoints, can't be curious about what people are saying, doing, feeling. And can't and can't.

    There has been one too many close calls, including a car bomb so near our house that it blew out all the windows. So now my most pressing concern every day is not to write a kick-ass story but to stay alive and make sure our Iraqi employees stay alive. In Baghdad I am a security personnel first, a reporter second.

    It's hard to pinpoint when the turning point exactly began. Was it April when the Fallujah fell out of the grasp of the Americans? Was it when Moqtada and Jish Mahdi declared war on the U.S. military? Was it when Sadr City, home to ten percent of Iraq's population, became a nightly battlefield for the Americans? Or was it when the insurgency began spreading from isolated pockets in the Sunni triangle to include most of Iraq? Despite President Bush's rosy assessments, Iraq remains a disaster. If under Saddam it was a potential threat, under the Americans it has been transformed to imminent and active threat, a foreign policy failure bound to haunt the United States for decades to come.

    Iraqis like to call this mess the situation. ÊWhen asked how are things? they reply: the situation is very bad.

    What they mean by situation is this: the Iraqi government doesn't control most Iraqi cities, there are several car bombs going off each day around the country killing and injuring scores of innocent people, the country's roads are becoming impassable and littered by hundreds of landmines and explosive devices aimed to kill American soldiers, there are assassinations, kidnappings and beheadings. The situation, basically, means a raging barbaric guerilla war.

    In four days, 110 people died and over 300 got injured in Baghdad alone. The numbers are so shocking that the ministry of health, which was attempting an exercise of public transparency by releasing the numbers-- has now stopped disclosing them.

    Insurgents now attack Americans 87 times a day.

    A friend drove thru the Shiite slum of Sadr City yesterday. He said young men were openly placing improvised explosive devices into the ground. They melt a shallow hole into the asphalt, dig the explosive, cover it with dirt and put an old tire or plastic can over it to signal to the locals this is booby-trap

  49. patriotism abused ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this the Bush admininstration in a nutshell? If you disagree with us, you are un-American, disloyal, unpatriotic.

    I'm tired of linking the following quote : People don't want War by Herman Goering . That in a few sentences covers what you have said ... and raises serious questions about the war on terrorism . The similarities are shocking.
  50. who cares if he's gay or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what goddamm difference does it make? vote for the man based on his policies, not on his private life. as al sharpton put it - the government should be able what's happening in the kitchen, not the bedroom. that could be generalised much more broadly to all of politics.

  51. War on Terrorism by microsopht · · Score: 4, Informative
    2500 people killed in WTC.
    Very Sad ,Bad thing to happen

    Launch War on Terrorism


    Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq 15033
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    plus

    Deaths due to kidnapping and beheading of citizens of countries [ some that have noting to do with war ] - Kenya,Egypt,India,Australia,Britain,France..etc etc.

    plus death of military persona of USA,Britain and other countries whose soldiers are present in Iraq.

  52. Re:The U.S. government is building 16 permanent ba by marsonist · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are more than 16 U.S. Bases in Germany, but does that make it not free? What about Japan, or Kosovo, or Korea... most reasonable people would concider them to be free. Not having permanent bases there after such a large scale change in governments would be short sighted and extremely hurtful to any chance Iraq has of being free of brutal murdering dictators.

  53. so, the Dems position on foreign leaders is ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... we must give them great respect, and curry their favor.

    Er, unless they actually help us in Iraq (UK, Australia, etc), or are trying at great personal risk to rebuild a country and hold elections (Allawi). Then we sneer at them and call them Bush puppets.

    Who's doing exactly the wrong thing for political purposes, again?

  54. Re:The Bush administration is habitually dishonest by AdrainB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are 35 states with higher tax rates than Mass. Montana is one of them. When you have a bad employee (the President is our employee) you fire them. You don't look at his potential replacement and think, "What if he does a worse job than the current guy?".

  55. oh the irony. by phyruxus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    >>Don't moderators know you're only supposed to moderate up liberal viewpoints as insightful?

    I hardly know where to start with this. Ideally it would be "insightful" viewpoints which are modded up as "insightful" independent of their political background. But what makes your post totally silly is that, despite the fact that people say slashdot has liberal leanings, liberals are kept on the defensive. Liberal viewpoints are modded down just for being liberal.

    And the rest of what you said is totally inane- it is conservatives, not liberals, who seek to (and frequently manage to) quench "opposing viewpoints".

    The republican noise machine's ability to shout louder than anyone else is great for conservative politicians, but it's hurting our country. How is a democracy supposed to adjust to circumstances when the debate is brought to the level of an elementary school playground fight?

    I met an informed, reasonable republican on slashdot the other day. I praised him for his character, but in fact I was shocked because usually I only meet people like you, who gloss over reality because they came up with a witty barb to toss at the other party.

    You guys are really good at that, credit where credit is due; it's only to bad that you are fucking us all over by removing the substance of the conversation.

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    "A witty saying proves nothing." ~Voltaire
    "d'Oh!" ~Homer
  56. A Different Letter from Iraq by artemis67 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (Copied from The American Thinker, the link in my sig)

    Letter from Iraq
    September 28th, 2004


    [Editor's note: The letter which follows has reached mevia a number of American military officers. They tell me that it has privately circulated widely in military circles, and is generally regarded as credible by knowledgeable people. The version which appears below has had many corroborating details removed, to avoid compromising possibly sensitive military information.

    The author must remain anonymous. Thus, no guarantee of its provenance can be made. Nevertheless, the argument made by The Major is compelling enough that American Thinker readers deserve to see it. Caveat lector.]


    I'm a Major in the United States Military, in Iraq. The analysts and pundits, who don't see what I see on a daily basis, have no factual basis to talk about the situation - especially if they have yet to set foot in Iraq. The media filters out most events, through a sieve of their latent prejudices - personal, political, and professional.*

    The US media recently buzzed with the news of an intelligence report that is very negative about the prospects for Iraq's future. CNN's website said, "[The]National Intelligence Estimate was sent to the White House in July with a classified warning predicting the best case for Iraq was 'tenuous stability' and the worst case was civil war."

    That report, along with the car bombings and kidnappings in Baghdad in the past couple days, were portrayed in the media as more proof of absolute chaos and the intransigence of the insurgency. From where I sit, at the Operational Headquarters in Baghdad, that just isn't the case. The public is being misled about what is happening.

    The media types who think this "National Intelligence Estimate" is the last word on the situation either don't know, or don't want to know the realities of the process behind it. It was delivered to the White House in July. That means that the information that was used to derive the intelligence in the immediate aftermath of the April battle for Fallujah, and other events was gathered in the Spring.

    The report doesn't cover what has happened in July or August, let alone September. The naysayers will point to the recent battles in Najaf and draw parallels between that and what happened in Fallujah in April. They aren't even close.

    The bad guys did us a HUGE favor by gathering together in one place and trying to make a stand. It allowed us to focus on them and defeat them. Make no mistake, Al Sadr's troops were thoroughly smashed. The estimated enemy killed in action is huge. Before the battles, the residents of the city were afraid to walk the streets. Al Sadr's enforcers would seize people and bring them to his Islamic court where sentence was passed for religious or other violations. Long before the battles, people were looking for their lost loved ones who had been taken to "court" and never seen again.

    Now Najafians can and do walk their streets in safety. Commerce has returned and the city is being rebuilt. Iraqi security forces and US troops are welcomed and smiled upon. That city was liberated again. It was not like Fallujah - the bad guys lost and are in hiding or dead.

    You may not have even heard about the city of Samarra. Two weeks ago, that Sunni Triangle city was a "No-go" area for US troops. But guess what? The locals got sick of living in fear from the insurgents and foreign fighters that were there and let them know they weren't welcome. They stopped hosting them in their houses and the mayor of the town brokered a deal with the US commander to return Iraqi government sovereignty to the city without a fight. The people saw what was on the horizon and decided they didn't want their city looking like Fallujah in April or Najaf in August.

    Boom, boom, just like that two major "hot spots" cool down in rapid succession. Does that mean that those towns are completely pacified? No. What it does mean is that we are lea

  57. Wake up and smell the coffe... by Oestergaard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...come on - what did you expect?

    No, I'm not just trying to be a tinfoil-hat-carrying left-wing anti-US conspiration theorist - but seriously, have you read a paper the past few years?

    How this can be "news" is beyond me. How it ever became "news for nerds" that's a whole other story...

    Please, can we go back to Xeon vs. Opteron bashing?

  58. Re:What an amazing sense of compasion! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Informative
    " She's dismayed that there are reports of this, that, and the other!"

    By reports, she of course meant newspaper reports. You know, the things most of us get our information from. From the Washington Post:

    The unusual public-relations effort by the Pentagon and the U.S. Agency for International Development comes as details have emerged showing the U.S. government and a representative of President Bush's reelection campaign had been heavily involved in drafting the speech given to Congress last week by interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi. Combined, they indicate that the federal government is working assiduously to improve Americans' opinions about the Iraq conflict -- a key element of Bush's reelection message.

    Later in the article:

    But administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the prime minister was coached and aided by the U.S. government, its allies and friends of the administration. Among them was Dan Senor, former spokesman for the CPA who has more recently represented the Bush campaign in media appearances. Senor, who has denied writing the speech, sent Allawi recommended phrases. He also helped Allawi rehearse in New York last week, officials said. Senor declined to comment.

    So it seems that it is a bit more than mere suspicion, as you would characterize it. The article makes it pretty clear that Allawi was a mouthpiece for the Bush campaign while he was here in the US. So that's why Ms. Feinstein was dismayed. Frankly, so am I.

    The article is here

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    "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  59. How to solve Iraq by ajs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The US can solve the problems in Iraq tomorrow. It would be the end of GW's presidency, and US foriegn policy would suffer for decades to come as a result, but I think it's time to cut our losses and gain the best possible outcome that we can.

    1) Arrange to slack Mr. Allawi's protection just enough that he can be killed (I'm not suggesting that we do it, just that we let it happen). He knew the risks when he went in, and he will be dying for the cause he claims to advocate.

    2) Have GW make an appearance on Al J the next day BEFORE he speaks to the US press (very important).

    3) He says that the US mourns Allawi. Make it clear that he's one of "ours".

    4) Admit that western forces cannot control Iraq's "strong spirit and determination." It's important to not be negative toward the Iraqi's. They need to feel like they have the power to make the next move or OUR next move won't work.

    5) Point to the most anti-western, pro-Islam, fundamentalist we can find who has a large base of followers, but is generally not a terrorist so much as an honest freedom fighter for Iraq, the way I hope GW would be if the US were occupied by a foreign force. Someone who won't just bomb the crap out the Kurds and set up his own rape rooms, but everyone knows isn't going to be our friend.

    6) Make the offer. US troops will withdraw, entirely with no conditions, in a two week period the moment he takes over the Iraqi government.

    7) Walk away and never explain. If someone asks about Iraq, you have to look at your shoes and say, "it's a shame... it's just a shame."

    If we do that, and do it soon, we win. Iraq will be no more anti-western than when we stared (that would be impossible). They will have no more or less love for Israel (that too would be impossible). The problems in the region will not have been solved. However, someone with the political clout to re-build Iraq without being attacked by guerilla bombings every day will be able to establish order. It will be slow and painful. There will be abuses, but it will work because he will appear to have "kicked out the Americans". In the end we will have removed the largest source of instability in the region (which we created) and accomplished our goal of removing S.H.

    If our twin goals are to liberate the Iraqis and reduce the threat of terrorism world-wide, this is, IMHO, the strongest step we can make.