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Medicine/Physiology Nobel Laureates Announced

Seehund writes "Today, the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet announced the laureates of this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. Richard Axel and Linda B. Buck are jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for their discoveries in the field of odorant receptors and the organization of the olfactory system."

76 comments

  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That really stinks.

    (It's a JOKE, not flamebait.)

    1. Re:Wow by Repran · · Score: 1

      Seems fishy to me!

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  2. Obligitory... by wviperw · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, I remember reading that paper... it stunk.

    Ba Dum Cha!

    I'll be here all week folks. Try the fish!

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    1. Re:Obligitory... by tehshen · · Score: 1

      If this gets embedded into microchips, machines will make that judgement for you

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    2. Re:Obligitory... by Kinkify · · Score: 2, Funny

      *Jedi hand-wave* You do not smell that fart.

    3. Re:Obligitory... by f00zy · · Score: 1

      I tried the fish, but it stunk.

    4. Re:Obligitory... by eclectro · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I remember reading that paper... it stunk.

      Well evidently it was a nose above the rest!

      Ba Da Dum!

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    5. Re:Obligitory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad smelt, or just smelt bad?

    6. Re:Obligitory... by magefile · · Score: 1

      Damn that would be useful. Better than, "he who smelt it, dealt it".

    7. Re:Obligitory... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      If only C.D. Bales were here...

  3. They get a lot of dollars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    For studying scents.

    It was close, though - they won by a nose.

    1. Re:They get a lot of dollars... by erick99 · · Score: 1

      Well, it makes scents to me. sniff.

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    2. Re:They get a lot of dollars... by kwench · · Score: 1

      ... without reading the article:

      The olfactory system is one of the phylogenetically oldest brain regions and has interconnections to lots of other systems.

      Think of relationships: The smell of the person you are talking to influences your behaviour and your view of this person.

      Think about other behaviour: McDonald's wouldn't be so famous if their food wouldn't be so tasty. Perfumes are a big market.

      Think about mind control: If you get someone to do what you want by manipulating his/her olfactory system (e.g. through pheromones), it'd be nice, wouldn't it? Every /.er could have a girlfriend. :)

      For more information about the power of smells I'd recommend reading "Das Parfum" by Patrick Süskind.

  4. Nice News... by Elracim · · Score: 2, Funny

    I saw this and thought: Aren't there enough bad jokes on slashdot already? Do the editors go out of their way to put these stories up? I can't think of a single thing to say that doesn't involve some bad pun or reference to flatulence... and I'm sure I'm not alone.

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  5. It's all great...... by Nagatzhul · · Score: 1, Insightful

    about quality of life stuff, don't get me wrong, but this is hardly the cure for cancer, AIDS, or diabetes. Are you telling me there were no more qualified applicants than this? People working on life stuff, not "just" quality of life?

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    1. Re:It's all great...... by leonara · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe its just a slump year!

      With all the research on going around us, one would have expected some new breakthrough in cures for some of the diseases that plague us. However, since there is only one broad category for medicine and physiology, chances are that new techniques to identify/cure diseases would always take precedence over research of this kind - which though not earth shattering, would have taken as much decidation and perseverance.

      And in the end "The judges decision is final"!

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    2. Re:It's all great...... by ktulus+cry · · Score: 5, Informative
      The original paper wasn't just a foundation for the discovery of thousands of beforehand unknown olfactory receptors, it was a founding paper in the searching of multi-gene families.

      Here comes some science: it was accepted/assumed that all these receptors were transmembrane g-protein coupled receptors. Without getting into that, they all span the cell membrane with 7 hydrophobic transmembrane domains. These are all well conserved among the receptors, and a couple of them are VERY conserved. They designed a whole bunch of PCR primers based on these regions of similarity and mixed pairs of them together to see what happened.

      One pair light up a genome PCR like mad. It was very very clear that a whole gene family existed that shared homology to the very few known odorant receptors.

      So while it is true that you might not think that smell is a huge deal (the mechanics are rather mind-boggling, and scienctists don't like not understanding things), they have paved the way for that as well as provided a hugely referenced technique for scanning genomes for multi-gene families. That in itself is worthy of at least a nomination.

    3. Re:It's all great...... by enderwig · · Score: 1
      about quality of life stuff, don't get me wrong, but this is hardly the cure for cancer, AIDS, or diabetes. Are you telling me there were no more qualified applicants than this? People working on life stuff, not "just" quality of life?

      Because we don't have a cure for cancer, AIDS, or diabetes. I don't think they've even given out a Nobel for the discovery of transcription factors, yet.
    4. Re:It's all great...... by reagank · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought that at first, too, but it turns out there are plenty of practical things here. First, it gives some pretty interesting insight in how the brain processes smell. Beyond the knowledge of brain function, which could be useful in other arenas, it's also possible to use this to create an "artifical nose", which could be used to sniff out bombs or, and I know this sounds loopy, but it's true, to detect disease. There are already mice trained to sniff out cancer in litter-mates, so if we knew HOW they did it, then we could create something to do it for humans.

    5. Re:It's all great...... by Cryect · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One thing to note is Nobel prizes in medicine are often awarded well after the original discovery. Second off, goto take a neurophysiology class and you will find out that since their paper, smell is one of the most completely understood systems of how it works. Its also often used as examples in showing how feedback, feedforward, and lateral inhibition work. Its really an important work in being able to understand how neurons interact and work better from the first neurons that get the signal to those that store the info in the brain.

    6. Re:It's all great...... by __aadkms7016 · · Score: 1

      Animals do better than machines right now on odor identification problems -- that's why dogs are pressed into action as sniffing machines for all sorts of compounds (including, as proof of concept, compounds that identify growing cancers).

      But its a hassle to use a dog, and it limits how olfaction can be used to solve clinical problems. If understanding the DNA of smell leads to inexpensive sensors that work as well as a dog, then we can look back and say this Nobel was for "life stuff" too.

    7. Re:It's all great...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Man, can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of those receptors?

    8. Re:It's all great...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > since their paper, smell is one of the most completely understood systems of how it works.

      Huh? As a neuroscientist i am quite puzzled by this statement. Let's give credit where credit
      is deserved, but Buck & Axel DID NOT SOLVE OLFACTION!

      They found the receptor family.

      (1) We still don't know how any of the receptors work. In fact we're not even close.

      (2) We have no idea what the olfactory bulb does.Certainly much less of idea than visual cortex.
      Why? Because it's difficult & someone needs to record there in controlled conditions.

      So congrats to Buck & Axel, just don't forget how far away we're from solving olfaction.

      PS: Remember all the trouble AI got for claiming to solve intelligence... now most comp.sci. people are so embarrased they don't even try. :)

  6. follow your nose... by k4_pacific · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...awarded the Nobel Prize for their discoveries in the field of odorant receptors and the organization of the olfactory system."

    I wonder if it explains why your own farts don't smell as bad as others.

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    1. Re:follow your nose... by magefile · · Score: 1

      No, that would be the Nobel for Psych. I.e., I don't want to admit that my farts are exactly the same (if not worse) than yours.

    2. Re:follow your nose... by mangu · · Score: 1
      I wonder if it explains why your own farts don't smell as bad as others.


      For the same reason your own children aren't as obnoxious as others.

  7. Nobel Prize by Kinkify · · Score: 0, Troll

    Does this mean if I don't shower for a month I can get one too?

  8. Worst job by savagedome · · Score: 1

    field of odorant receptors and the organization of the olfactory system

    The flatus odor judge could have used some insight!

  9. Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    My dog has got no nose!

    How does he smell?

    Awful!

  10. Highly spiffy by sharky611aol.com · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's about time. Every class I took as an undergrad in physiology and neuroscience always just glossed over olfaction. It's amazing how little we know about this sense compared to the other senses. We have a fairly complete understanding of the way sight (for instance, did you know that the visual cortex can perform on the fly Fourier analysis??), sound, and sensation (with the notable exception of pain) work, yet olfaction has always baffled us - mainly because we couldn't fathom of a system that would have thousands of different receptors that could each recognize a different smell (whoops!).

    Kudos to Drs. Axel and Buck.

    1. Re:Highly spiffy by biobogonics · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's about time. Every class I took as an undergrad in physiology and neuroscience always just glossed over olfaction. It's amazing how little we know about this sense compared to the other senses.

      Among brain functions, smell is one of the most primitive, so an understanding of smell helps us understand a variety of other organisms. Mapping receptors to genes may also give us insight into how other neural sensory systems work. Finally, there are close and very primitive relationships between smell and the old emotional parts of the brain (the limbic system) so this type of study may ultimately shed some light on emotional or mental disorders as well.

    2. Re:Highly spiffy by amcox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, while other animals have more, humans only have about 350 different receptors. The key to our ability to smell so many distinct scents is that each odorant will activate more then one kind of recpetor. Thus, olfaction is not, "oh, this receptor lit up, so it's this smell," but rather, "these receptors lit up, and combined they produce this smell."

    3. Re:Highly spiffy by mangu · · Score: 2, Informative
      the visual cortex can perform on the fly Fourier analysis


      So can the ear. And a guitar string. And a grass field in the wind. Actually, it was the other way round. Mathematicians (well, Jean Baptiste Fourier, one French mathematician) invented the Fourier analysis in order to understand how complex signals can be separated into different frequencies by simple natural systems.

    4. Re:Highly spiffy by Cryect · · Score: 1

      Hmmm curious when did you take your classes? If it was before the '90s I can understand, if not consider complaining since this paper came out in '91 and I have to say in couple of my undergrad classes we covered this material quite well. Also, on the visual cortex items a lot of what we know is stuff that seems to be pretty obvious once you look at the experiments due to it practically being so pictorial so often (ex. being you can see the actual patterns of what a chimp is looking at with radioactive dye). The really interesting stuff about sight is how we transform what we see into ideas and we really understand th e basics there. Sound we vaguely understand the brain processes it, relating to humans some stuff we though we know has turned out wrong (like MLO's figuring out 3d positionally sound by comparing delays of audio signal, it does that in some certain owl but apparently not in humans). Also pain sensation is understood fairly well now a days. And I will just say the idea of a system that would have thousands of receptors for different smells that combine in combinatorial ways to generate all of our smells isn't that unfathomable when you consider how the immune system works (antibodies being the first real understanding of how with an extremely limited of amount of DNA can produce some many different possible combinations through splicing).

    5. Re:Highly spiffy by John+Newman · · Score: 1
      And I will just say the idea of a system that would have thousands of receptors for different smells that combine in combinatorial ways to generate all of our smells isn't that unfathomable when you consider how the immune system works (antibodies being the first real understanding of how with an extremely limited of amount of DNA can produce some many different possible combinations through splicing).
      I think one of Dr. Buck's contributions was the idea that it's not one olfactory receptor gene that gets mutated and modified in billions of random ways, like the immunoglobulin locus. Rather, we actually do possess thousands of individual genes for olfactory receptors, each with a different specificity. Which makes sense - for Ig's, all you care about it whether it recognizes something, not what, exactly, that something is (as long as it's non-self). For smells, you need some idea of what's what so you can properly integrate signals from all the different olfactory cells. In fact, it's interesting that each cell expresses only one type of receptor (like a B-cell), since that means all that integration happens in downstream neurons, not within an olfactory cell. Which we now know to be the case - first you combine signals from all cells expressing each type of receptor, then integrate those summed signals.
  11. Odorant detector? by ShatteredDream · · Score: 1

    Is that some new gimmick from Old Spice? "Here young man, carry this 'odorant detector' with you so that you know when you need to swipe on some more of our classic deodorant goodness to keep the honeys happy."

    1. Re:Odorant detector? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Is that some new gimmick from Old Spice?
      No, it's actually a new gimmick from German Telecommunications companies!
  12. Stuyvesant rules! by JohnQPublic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Woo hoo! That makes 4 Nobel laureates for Stuyvesant HS! Axel is class of '63

    1. Re:Stuyvesant rules! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? A high school with a .edu? Now I've seen everything. Almost as bad as acupuncture.edu.

  13. Axel and IP by theodicey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is the same Richard Axel who has engaged in sleazy intellectual property practice with his cotransformation patents (basically, the process of randomly inserting a gene into organisms' DNA, and finding out which insertions have been successful).

    The Public Patent Foundation (which recently got Microsoft's FAT filesystem patent rejected) has gotten the patent office to agree to re-examine the most recent, presumably illegitimate Axel patents.

    Of course this work has almost nothing to do with the work for which he was awarded the Nobel prize...

    1. Re:Axel and IP by k98sven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes it's the same Axel.

      No, it doesn't have much to do with what he's getting the prize.

      And I'm not certain these 'sleazly practices' necessarily have anything to do with him directly either.

      He got a patent for a valid discovery. (noone is questioning the original patent)

      Columbia made a lot of money off it. So much money that they apparently tried to re-patent the same discovery.

      I'd say it's more likely a greedy Columbia board of trustees than him personally.

      But anyway, it's still not very relevant.

    2. Re:Axel and IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But anyway, it's still not very relevant."

      How about you let the readers decide that you arrogant asshole. Or do you know best for all of us?

    3. Re:Axel and IP by theodicey · · Score: 1
      Yes, Columbia tried to re-patent the original discovery; they were the assignee of all the cotransformation patents.

      But guess who was the inventor listed on the new patents, and who received royalties for every license granted? And who signed off on the application?

    4. Re:Axel and IP by k98sven · · Score: 1

      But guess who was the inventor listed on the new patents, and who received royalties for every license granted? And who signed off on the application?

      Well, given that it was an extension-type patent, he'd pretty much have to.

      Point is, there is quite a bit of pressure from universities to get their staff to patent whatever they can.

      The question is, would he have tried to file this extension patent on his own without pressure from his employer. Sure, maybe he's a greedy S.O.B. .. but it's also quite possible that he was just going along with helping his employer try to secure a source of income.

  14. Wow... by hung_himself · · Score: 1

    I had no idea that something that friggin' obvious had made so much money. It is akin to being able to collect royalties every time someone sorts a list because you were the first one to implement a bubble sort in COBOL - and of course file it with the patent office.

    But then again why should I be surprised...

    1. Re:Wow... by Cryect · · Score: 1

      Well the basic idea is obvious, the actual way its done is not obvious and thats the part that took likely years of research and is patented.

    2. Re:Wow... by hung_himself · · Score: 1

      From the wording in the article, the patent is not a narrow one just for transformation of CHO cells by CaPO4 precipitation using methotextrate selection but for any protein expression from cotransformation of any eukaryotic cell. IANAL and if it is just for the CHO system in question then my objections (but not surprise) are greatly reduced.

      Anyway, this really is not the place for this thread - since none of this is relevant to the olfactory work that won him the prize.

  15. Olfaction is of central importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Olfaction is of central importance for most species

    All living organisms can detect and identify chemical substances in their environment. It is obviously of great survival value to be able to identify suitable food and to avoid putrid or unfit foodstuff. Whereas fish has a relatively small number of odorant receptors, about one hundred, mice - the species Axel and Buck studied - have about one thousand. Humans have a somewhat smaller number than mice; some of the genes have been lost during evolution.

    Smell is absolutely essential for a newborn mammalian pup to find the teats of its mother and obtain milk - without olfaction the pup does not survive unaided. Olfaction is also of paramount importance for many adult animals, since they observe and interpret their environment largely by sensing smell. For example, the area of the olfactory epithelium in dogs is some forty times larger than in humans.

  16. The True Hero of Smelling Sensations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we're thanking people for working on smells, I say we nominate the dude that came up with that blue stuff in the Portable-Johns. Kicker-good stuff, that.

    1. Re:The True Hero of Smelling Sensations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While your at it, Runner-Up the guy that tested it for him.

    2. Re:The True Hero of Smelling Sensations by wombatmobile · · Score: 1

      .

      Treat that stuff with respect.

      Soylent Blue Corp.
  17. Smell is amazing. You all should RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their research found over 600 genes involved in the coding for unwashed geek stench alone!

  18. Olfaction and memory by f00zy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Kidding aside, this is interesting and worthy of praise. Olfaction is deeply intertwined with memory and an important part of general living. They have mapped genes involved in the process and identified a seemingly tree-like messaging hierarchy where messages can meet and interact to produce unique smells/thoughts/ideas in differnt parts of the brain.

  19. I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't think of a single thing to say that doesn't involve some bad pun or reference to flatulence... and I'm sure I'm not alone.

    Bad puns and flatulence usually result in me being alone.

  20. Neurosciences need people. by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1

    As one planning to study neuroscience at the PhD level, this is good to hear. It's a huge field, so lots of people are needed!

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  21. Damned good work by siskbc · · Score: 4, Informative
    Thanks for saying that. I work on artifical olfaction, and our research group has collaborated with Linda Buck's group. Having done so, I can say that her work is in fact groundbreaking. Smell is the least complicated, and evolutionarily oldest of all the senses. This alone makes it worth investigating, simply because of the insights it can give us on human perception.

    Work that Linda's group, in conjunction with our group and a number of others, has brought us closer to understanding how odor works on a molecular level, to how odor is perceived, to how we can model this using artificial equipment.

    Ultimately, she is well deserving of the Prize.

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  22. Buck by chuckw · · Score: 1

    Whooboy, had to look at that Buck name twice there.

    Welcome to tongue-wag-theatre! Go ahead ya self-rightous bastahd, I got plenty of karma to burn...

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  23. Obligatory Futurama Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Professor: Eat it, everyone who's never won a Nobel Prize! And that includes you, Amy!
    Amy: (sobs)

    -- A No-Account Drifter

  24. where's the predictive capacity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I notice noone has mentioned the 'shape' vs 'vibration' tussle in olfactory reception. The vibration theory seemed like a good bet to me because of its predictive powers, which the Nobel laureates' theory has always lacked.

    1. Re:where's the predictive capacity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luca Turin:http://www.flexitral.com/contact.html is the king of the vibration theory these days. He must be pissed that these guys got the Nobel. His theories make a lot of sense, and they go quite counter to the Axel/Buck camp. Turin believes the nose works by electron tunneling spectroscopy. Here's a good summary: http://www.epinions.com/content_132660301444 All I can say is: some day Turin is going to be proved right.

  25. perfect proof that life stinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    am i the only one who wonders about why this is a nobel prize or why it's been posted to slash ??

    typical overpaid underworked stupid rich peeps ...

  26. Winner celebrates by DaAdder · · Score: 1

    They called up the winnder of the nobel price in medecine on the swedish radio yesterday.

    He was suprised that they called and he seemed surprised that anyone knew of him, let alone his phone number.

    When asked how he was gonna celebrate he was quiet for a little while, then stated: Well...I'm going to have a cup of coffee I think.

  27. Vibration theory by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    Seems like an ingenious theory. But I don't quite see how the signal transduction works. How are vibrations supposed to couple to the conformational equilibrium of the receptor?

  28. Something is fishy... by gearry · · Score: 1

    Maybe they should team up with these other award winning researchers.

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  29. Shape vs. Vibration Theories by Sigfried · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Axel, et al are firmly in the predominant "Shape" theory camp regarding smell. There is also a small but resilient camp that wonder why certain substances (e.g hydrogen cynanide and bitter almonds) smell very similar but have no common molecular structure. There is no doubt that the huge genetic pool discovered by Axel produce a large variety of receptors that do *something*, and thanks to their work the pathways to the brain are now known, but exactly *what* is being detected is not well understood.

    Luca Turin is the current proponent of the theory that olfaction is at least influenced not only by molecular shape, but also by the vibrational modes and spectra of the molecule. Recent double-blind experiments in March '04 put doubt on this theory, but had no absolute proof of the "shape" theory either. Clouding the whole scientific controversy is the cult-following Turing has acquired following the publication of Chandler Burr's book about Turin, "The Emperor of Scent".

    You can find discussions of this and other theories of smell here.

    1. Re:Shape vs. Vibration Theories by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      Recent double-blind experiments in March '04 put doubt on this theory, but had no absolute proof of the "shape" theory either.

      To quote:

      "We didn't disprove the vibration theory. We just didn't find anything to support it," says assistant professor Leslie B. Vosshall, Ph.D., head of the Laboratory of Neurogenetics and Behavior. "All of our data are consistent with the shape theory, but don't prove the shape theory."
      However several recent studies support the vibrational theory through differentiation of isotopes, including work at McGill in Quebec and the Berkeley Olfactory Research Project. At BORP, Noam Sobel and Christina Zelano note 23 of 31 subjects misidentified differences in identical samples.

      Perhaps more interesting is work showing dogs, fish, and even insects can identify isotopes. This research is not consistent with shape theory and seems to support a vibrational explanation of smell.

  30. Luca Turin by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
    Vibration theory of smell is fascinating, and I highly recommend The Emperor of Scent as a great read even if Turin's theories don't pan out.

    There has been some investigation into the predictive capacity of vibration theory. Results were not consistent with Turin's predictions.

    "We didn't disprove the vibration theory. We just didn't find anything to support it," says assistant professor Leslie B. Vosshall, Ph.D., head of the Laboratory of Neurogenetics and Behavior. "All of our data are consistent with the shape theory, but don't prove the shape theory."
    However the Rockefeller U. worked with a theory of only 347 receptors while the Nobel prize winner work established some 1000 receptors each corresponding to a single odorant receptor gene. Interestingly, the prize winning work was published in 1991 while the investigations into vibration theory was published in 2004.

    One thing in the Nobel prize press release that should jump out at anyone who is familiar with Turin is, "most odours are composed of multiple odorant molecules." They do hedge that claim immediately with, "each odorant molecule activates several odorant receptors."

    The major mark against traditional explanations of smell is there are just too many smells for each one to correspond to a unique receptor. Certainly receptors working in combination may explains many thousands of unique smells coming from some 1000 receptors. However we know of many thousands of different smells coming from pure molecules. Any theory of smell should consider mixtures, but cannot depend on mixtures to explain the wide range of smells coming from a limited number of receptors.

    The press release is light on methodology, and I have not read the original papers, but it seems the winning work is strictly theoretical.

    Buck's research group examined the sensitivity of individual olfactory receptor cells to specific odorants. By means of a pipette, they emptied the contents of each cell and showed exactly which odorant receptor gene was expressed in that cell. In this way, they could correlate the response to a specific odorant with the particular type of receptor carried by that cell.
    They've only shown (or claim to show) a particular gene is expressed in a particular cell that responds to a particular odorant. What they haven't done is look at a molecule, predict a smell, and stick it under someone's nose to test the theory.

    I don't think it's time to dismiss Turin completely, but I don't expect to see him making any acceptance speeches in Stockholm any time soon.

    By the way, have you smelled the perfume he developed?

  31. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one cares enough about your useless opinion to bother modding you down, you partisan piece of shit.