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Leisure Suit Larry Banned

An anonymous reader writes "Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude has been refused classification and banned by the Australian Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) due to its sexual content. Being produced by Sierra, Larry's exploits are more cheeky than they could ever be offensive, so is this really justified? Oh well, off to bit torrent I go..."

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  1. Why? by JavaLord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    refused classification and banned by the Australian Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) due to its sexual content.

    Maybe some of our Australian friends can help us out with this, but why would they ban this game? It can't be any worse than an "American Pie" type movie, or any other recent comedy films. Is Australia this strict with it's movies also?

    1. Re:Why? by DrSkwid · · Score: 5, Informative

      why would they ban this game?

      because the Australian Game rating system only goes up to 15

      so *all* games that would be classified 18 in other parts of the world are automatically banned for sale in Australia

      American Pie the original was classified 15 but, according to this bbc report American Pie 2 was classified R which means that if it was an Autralian Computer Game, it too would be banned for sale.

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    2. Re:Why? by jc42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The first thing that occurred to me was "I wonder who they had to bribe to get it banned?"

      This should be even better than an X rating. I'll bet they're shipping out lots of copies to the "underground" dealers right now.

      (Here in the US, there are open discussions in the media of the lengths that producers sometimes go to in order to get an R rating, which is the minimum that will bring in most adults. Sometimes they have to add a nude/sex scene that has nothing to do with the plot, just to get that all-important rating. ;-)

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    3. Re:Why? by ChrisGuest · · Score: 1

      I don't know the specific details, but from memory I think computer games are classified much more harshly for sexual content because of their interactivity.

    4. Re:Why? by Nos. · · Score: 1

      To me this is simple short sightedness. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when this was decided. If a 15 year old can't play it, then no one can? Unless the group who made the decision were all 15, I just can't fathom the logic behind this.

    5. Re:Why? by isaac · · Score: 2, Informative
      (Here in the US, there are open discussions in the media of the lengths that producers sometimes go to in order to get an R rating, which is the minimum that will bring in most adults. Sometimes they have to add a nude/sex scene that has nothing to do with the plot, just to get that all-important rating. ;-)

      What? Movie producers never want a movie to be "barely R" - Look how few R-rated films are on the box office charts. http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

      Movie producers are usually cutting things out to get an lower rating (either R->PG13 or NC-17->R) to broaden the potential audience.

      -Isaac

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    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know the specific details, but from memory I think computer games are classified much more harshly for sexual content because of their interactivity.

      I pity Australian children. No doubt they'll soon be cutting the little wanker's hands off due to the "interactivity" possession of hands enables.

    7. Re:Why? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Now that you speak of it. I was watching this movie the other day and this woman went to the door wearing practically nothing and in walks a "plumber" who doesn't look like any plumber I've ever seen.

      He then proceeded to have sex with her all over the house and he never even fixed her toilet although he made several comments about checking out her pipes.

      *shrugs*

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    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's BS. An R rating is practically a guarantee of a much smaller take at the box office. "Most adults" don't look at the rating, and if anything, it's a net negative.

    9. Re:Why? by warrantyVoidIfRemove · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Unless the group who made the decision were all 15, I just can't fathom the logic behind this.

      If the group that made this decision were all 15, it would be mandatory for all games and films to be chock full of porn.

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    10. Re:Why? by hambonewilkins · · Score: 1
      because the Australian Game rating system only goes up to 15

      No, it goes to 11.

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    11. Re:Why? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      The old chronies on the classification board have never played a computer game in their lives so they figure only children play games.

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    12. Re:Why? by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Maybe some of our Australian friends can help us out with this, but why would they ban this game?

      The recent election campaigns have brought some of the loopier (by Australian standards) political parties out. One in particular that is getting a lot of publicity is Family First, your typical right-wing-christians-are-best nutjobs. Unfortunately, the closeness of the election has also resulted in more cosying up to these fring elements by the major parties to try and get some marginal votes and added legitimacy to their principles.

      Additionally, there's been quite a bit of outcry about "internet porn" in the last couple of months, consistent (if somewhat low-key) anti-gaming stories in the media and some big child-porn busts in the last week.

      I suspect the combination of all these factors has resulted your standard "make an example" knee-jerk over-the-top reaction from the censors. There'll probably be a few more as well while the smoke clears, but generally, it's atypical for something this harmless to be banned.

    13. Re:Why? by brumby · · Score: 1
      To me this is simple short sightedness. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when this was decided. If a 15 year old can't play it, then no one can? Unless the group who made the decision were all 15, I just can't fathom the logic behind this.

      It was mainly done as a vote gaining gesture a few years back, when the conservative government of the day needed the vote of an extreme christian, protect the family, senator, who held the balance of power for a short time. They saw gaming censorship as a cheap way to buy off said senator. From their point of view it worked, the sort of people who were pissed off by their decision generally didn't vote for them anyway.

    14. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd when extremely violent games like Manhunt for the PS2 are freely avalible here in Aus (15+) but LSL is banned because of it's sexual content?!

      You may kill for fun, but stay away from that filthy sex!

  2. Sheesh, what is up with Australia? by sgant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's like what's next...they're going to outlaw all forms of sex there too to "protect the children".

    Growing up, always thought that Australia was this free wheeling, laid back country...but they seem more uptight and puritan than the US (Janet Jackson's evil nipple not withstanding).

    Is it really that bad "down there"? (decypher "down under" any way you want)

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    1. Re:Sheesh, what is up with Australia? by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      actually if you go to aintitcoolnews.com you can see there is a long running battle there now dealing with this, and unlike here where they just find the loopholes, censorship is winning there.

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    2. Re:Sheesh, what is up with Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like what's next...they're going to outlaw all forms of sex there too to "protect the children".

      The odd thing, is that brothels are legal, and nude & topless beaches are extremely common.

    3. Re:Sheesh, what is up with Australia? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      I have a cruel idea.

      Hey, Australian game censorship bureau! Look! Play some of these!

      Then after their heads explode, Aussies can play all the violent and/or filthy games they like.

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    4. Re:Sheesh, what is up with Australia? by justforaday · · Score: 1

      Sheesh, with the way things are going down there you'd think that they were the descendents of a bunch of convicts who are embarassed by the past or something...

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    5. Re:Sheesh, what is up with Australia? by Marlor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sheesh, what is up with Australia?

      It is called a "Conservative Government". The ratings system for games is outdated, based on the assumption that games are for kids (hence the highest classification is 15+), but there is no way that a Conservative Government would fix this, because they would be worried about newspaper headlines like "Government allows kids to play porno games". They have also done everything they can to stack the Office of Film and Literature Classification (which also rates games) with conservative cronies.

      The Government has also realized that since computer games and the Internet are seen as "scary new-fangled technology" by many older and more technophobic Australians, that they can use them as a ploy to gain support. So, they are constantly announcing plans to "keep the kids safe from the evils of the Internet and computer games". This is definately a vote-winner, because given that Australia's population is skewed towards the older demographic, there will be a lot more people pleased by this policy than upset. Censorship is also an effective bargaining chip when trying to get ultra-conservtive independent politicians to help pass legislation.

      The contrast comes in TV and radio. Any attempts to censor them would be met by outrage, because they are not a niche market like computer games. So, while the Government is trying to save us all from being morally corrupted by computers, prime-time TV and radio regularly feature profanity. Australia's TV censorship is self-regulated by the industry, so you will regularly hear "fuck" and "shit" on prime-time free-to-air TV chat shows, and all day on certain radio stations. Music is played uncensored on the Government-funded Triple J youth radio network, and radio hosts will regularly swear their heads off and frankly discuss sexual matters. The partly Government-funded SBS free-to-air TV network regularly features shows that could only be described as "European soft-core porn".

      So, it is not that we are a country of prudes or anything like that, it is simply the case that computer games and the Internet have gained in popularity, and hence caught the eyes of regulators and lawmakers, while we have been suffering under a conservative Govenment.

      Hopefully they will be voted out in tomorrow's elections, but that seems unlikely based on present polling.

  3. Who Cares? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure it is a whole country that Sierra can't sell to, but I think the very content that they are banning the game for is the very reason a lot of people play the game (or at least got into the series in the first place), so changing it in any regard to get around the sensorship would comprimise the marketability of the game.

    Eventually, we will look back on these days when we tried to control the media content people were exposed to and laugh.... or we will all be in cages with a barcode tattooed to our necks.

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  4. really funny by alatesystems · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you really want to experience this game in it's full glory, you can rip it to you hard drive after you buy it and then apply a patch to it that you can download online. It unlocks all these things like nudity and other stuff that isn't normally available. This isn't like the nude hack for DOA replacing textures, this is actually unlocking portions of the game that I guess they had to lock for distribution in various markets.

    It's a very hilarious game.

    Chris

    1. Re:really funny by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you aren't actually supposed to unlock a lot of this stuff? LSL games tend to be full of secrets that you have to explore/solve puzzles to find. It could just be that a lot of these features that are on the game were meant to be found, not done with a patch.
      Personally, I don't care that you use the patch, but it might detract a little of the joy of finding these obscure things and getting the rewards.

    2. Re:really funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are unlockable in game.

      To be honest, the game isn't that much fun, consisting largely of DDR-style 'hit the appropriate direction at the right time' puzzles. Nor is it terribly funny, at least not when compared to other Larry games.

    3. Re:really funny by alatesystems · · Score: 1

      It allows more things to be unlocked in the game. It isn't just all unlocked by default when you apply the patch. I'm really not sure what all it does, but the game continues to surprise me with how "raunchy", yet hilarious it continues to be.

      The endings are hilarious with each girl, especially the band leader(forgot her name).

      Xbox version.

      Chris

    4. Re:really funny by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

      The Grandparent is right, it's locked down for distribution. The European version has more "stuff" visable in it than the NA version, for example.

    5. Re:really funny by mink · · Score: 1

      Was Al Lowe even involved? I ahvent kept up with recent LSL games but just like space quest, it it aint the creators it stands a good chance of suckage.

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  5. Shhh! by koi88 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It can't be any worse than an "American Pie" type movie

    Shhh... don't say the name so loud. It won't be cheap, but I know somebody who can get you this kind of stuff...

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  6. So we're advocating piracy now? by bluemeep · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Oh well, off to bit torrent I go..."

    Assuming the poster is from Australia, can't he just import instead of resorting to theft? Or is flat out possession of the title illegal?

    1. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least he didn't mention the big no-no. uprnova.orgsay

    2. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      can't he just import instead of resorting to theft?

      He doesn't have to go as far as theft, just as far as copyright violation. It's probably not even a criminal act (if their law is like US law).

    3. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 1

      Contrary to popular opinion, copyright infringement can be a criminal offense in the U.S. See 17 USC 506.

    4. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's hard to get busted for criminal copyright infringement if you're not making money off distribution of copyrighted content to which you do not hold the copyright.

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    5. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 1

      Touché.

    6. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by arose · · Score: 1

      What about distributing an banned game? :-D

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    7. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by ajd1474 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes it is illegal to sell, import, hire or own the game now that it has been refused classification. For god sake, why cant they just introduce an R Rating! There are so many MA15+ games that SHOULD be R rated, but they arent bad enough to ban, so they just make them MA15+ instead... i mean how daft is that! For those who've been following this. Steve Bracks, the Victorian Premier is talking about introducing R rated games legislation for Victoria. (it'll never happen) but at least someone is doing something.

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    8. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Or is flat out possession of the title illegal?

      Pretty much. It's now, legally, in the same category as all the various forms of illegal porn as far as Customs goes. If you are caught importing or otherwise bringing the game into the country, you're screwed. I suppose a download is a lot easier to conceal than a physical copy as it crosses the border.

    9. Re:So we're advocating piracy now? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      In fact, if you tried to import it (as a title refused classification) and it was inspected by the Australian Customs Service, they would simply seize it to be destroyed.

      If you had tried to import it prior to it receiving a rating, and they seized it, notifying you that I appears to contravene current ratings laws, you could request a ruling - at your cost - and risk still having the item destroyed, but now you've paid for them to ban it and paid for the seized item.

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  7. Oh my God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These depictions occur in "full-motion video sequences" and include instances such as Larry receiving below-screen fellatio from Koko. "Sucking sounds are heard," said the OFLC.
    Oh my!

    Seriously, come on, why exactly should this game be banned? Who exactly is it going to shock? Veterans of the series will know what to expect when buying this game, but then so will newcomers because the game is marked as 15+ only!

    Honestly, if this is for 'the kids' then why can't you just accept that most of them have seen porn already and this is not exactly the kind of thing that is going to have them complain is it?!

    1. Re:Oh my God! by feidaykin · · Score: 1
      and include instances such as Larry receiving below-screen fellatio from Koko

      So, is Max Payne also banned in Australia? There's a rather obvious example of fellatio in the graphic novel... and just in case you missed the obvious hints, when it cuts back to the game the boss you fight has his pants around his ankles.

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  8. WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THE PATCH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just got the game from my pre-order last night

  9. How about by EvilNutSack · · Score: 3, Funny

    It should be banned because it's a crap game? The joke wore off after Leisure Suit Larry 1...

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    1. Re:How about by Elamaton · · Score: 1
      Magna Cum Laude may well be crap, but implying that the two immortal adventure game classics, LSL2 and LSL3, wouldn't be funny and equally good or (preferably) better than LSL1, is just plain ignorant.

      And let's not forget LSL7, or: "OMG, an actual parser-driven game in this day and age?" To me that game was thoroughly enjoyable, a delightful blast from the past, not encumbered with any gratuitous 3D bullshit "because everyone is doing all 3D now, we have to as well", and something of a swansong for the genre, too; after finishing it I couldn't help thinking that that was it - adventure games like this were a dying breed. LSL7 is a modern day classic, an excellent game in itself, not just because of its nostalgic value, hailed by many even beyond LSL3 and closely rivalling LSL2.

      Yes, I sorely miss the golden age of Sierra and Lucasarts/Lucasfilm Games :-(. Guess I'll just have to replay Larrys, Space Quests, DOTT and Monkey Islands every couple of years to fill the void.

  10. At last, by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    a justification for "sharing" movies that is more than the rantings of larcenists in denial. Am I correct in assuming that the Oz-thorities have by their actions placed a defacto ban on this movie? If so that is a serious financial blow to the producer. The exposure gained for his movie through the movie "sharing" networks may have the effect of salvaging some demand for the film where the ratings authority meant to suppress demand.

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  11. Talking out both sides of their mouths by hambonewilkins · · Score: 1

    Slashdot, where you'll find people simultaneously complaining about various copy protection mechanisms while downloading the game off bit torrent.

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    1. Re:Talking out both sides of their mouths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, maybe if you weren't such a cynic, you'd take this as evidence to support the claim that "If I like the game enough, I'll go out and buy it."

    2. Re:Talking out both sides of their mouths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know how hard it is to speak coherently using only one side of your mouth? You sound like a duck, and you look like an idiot.

  12. Re:At last, GET A CLUE by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    its a game you dolt! [but then, the economic impacts may be similar to those that affect movies]
    A smutty game huh? Where did you say that fileshare URL is?

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  13. I Love America by BigDogCH · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Sometimes they have to add a nude/sex scene that has nothing to do with the plot, just to get that all-important rating."


    And to this I say, I LOVE AMERICA!

  14. torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2740/Leisure _Suit_Larry_Magna_Cum_Laude-MONEY_%5Bbt-gm%5D_%5BE Fnet%5D.torrent

  15. Copyright violation advocate? by myc_lykaon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Oh well, off to bit torrent I go..."

    A friend of mine is involved in the production of LL:MCL - its sales pay my friend. So, rather than protest the rather odd decision of the OFLC by contacting/protesting/petitioning the OFLC or even importing a copy you wish to penalize my friend... Your logic is infallible.

    1. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by McLuke · · Score: 1

      Ok, perhaps you just don't get it, the game has been completely banned in australia. If someone imports it and it gets caught going through customs, that person would be in serious trouble and be punishable by law. Would you be willing to face fines just to feel good about paying for the game?

    2. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by myc_lykaon · · Score: 1
      Ok, perhaps you just don't get it

      I do get it. If I cannot afford X, or it is illegal to do X and it isn't my right enshrined in the Declaration of Human Rights to have X, then I do without X. If you are suggesting that playing LSL is a fundamental human right or the rights of the Copyright holder are less than your desire to play a game then go ahead, blow yourself away and torrent it, but I do have to say that your compass in this area is a bit skew.

    3. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by aelbric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With all due respect, there are those that believe it is perfectly ethical to disregard a law that one considers immoral or unjust as long as it does not present risk to anyone else. True, grabbing this title from P2P will not give any revenue to the developers, but they are not getting any revenue from Australia anyway. Also, P2P presents only risk to the person acquiring it instead of the person trying to illegally bring it into the country for someone else. I would say that if they can grab it, go for it. Be prepared to suffer the consequences if necessary.

      Now, anyone who does this outside .au has my contempt.

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    4. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by hai.uchida · · Score: 1

      Your "friend" should be angry with the Australian government. They're the ones who placed a completely arbitrary ban on the basically harmless game, they're the ones who are making potential customers "pirate" the game.

      Your "friend" can be mad at cheapskate Americans who opt for the torrent, but Australians should be granted a pass. I realize we're just talking about Leisure Suit Larry here, but one of the most socially redeeming aspects of torrent sites, P2P sharing and the web in general is the ability to access materials your country's government has decided you aren't mature or enlightened enough to handle (snuff film arguments aside.)

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    5. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Completely banned? That's not how I read it. The sale is banned. Buying it from an overseas retailer is probably perfectly legal. Selling it in Australia, however, is not.

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    6. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by myc_lykaon · · Score: 1
      Your "friend" should Your "friend" can be I may not totally agree with your argument, but why is my friend in quotes?

      I haven't asked them yet, as to whether they are contesting the rating, but I can assure you that they aren't going to 'distribute and be damned' to protest against the ruling. They will probably just follow the usual legal proceedings.

    7. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by myc_lykaon · · Score: 1
      With all due respect, there are those that believe it is perfectly ethical to disregard a law that one considers immoral or unjust as long as it does not present risk to anyone else.

      This, in the context of LSL, is possibly a false argument. You are making the assumption that the producers will never appeal the ban or won't create an edited version for .au territories. You protest against the ban by downloading a torrent of LSL. In two months (for example) the Committee sees the error of its ways and lifts the ban. Now the publishers have no market.

      Protest against unjust laws by civil disobedience usually takes place after normal legal process of appeal has failed. Here, the ink is barely dry on the ban and already we have exhortations to d/l it. The internet is a fast place, but that doesn't mean it should always act outside the sphere of normal 'niceties' of legal (or civil disobedience) protest.

      Finally, as has been mentioned, it is after all LSL and hardly 'haute cuisine' in the games world so the market is probably limited.

    8. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      yes so now making a copy of a game that is illegal to sell in your country is obviosly harming the developers due to lost sales, oh that's right you can't buy or import the game in australia.

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    9. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Anck, wrong. You are "importing" the game by buying it from an overseas retailer, this is illegal.

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    10. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      No-one is interested in an edited version of LSL. We simply will not buy an edited version. Why? Because to make LSL a 15+ game they would have to take out everything that is LSL.

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    11. Re:Copyright violation advocate? by aelbric · · Score: 1

      I still contend that this activity is perfectly ethical in the limited scope of this situation. I think perhaps I wasn't clear enough with my response though. If you believe that this is unjust and are willing to stand up to the consequences if necessary for disobeying the law, then I can see your activity as being justified. It is a risk/benefits analysis with your principles as the metric.

      Of course for me this is all hypothetical. Living in the US, We only censor extremes like nipples on open air broadcasting (right) and prayer in public buildings (left). Go figure.

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  16. Copy it? by isorox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh well, off to bit torrent I go...

    So you're going to copy it (hurting the game maker) because your government is stupid? The real solution is buy it from abroad and import it, and while you're waiting for it to arrive, write to your MP and newspaper and point out the fact you're sending money abroad instead of keeping it local.

    1. Re:Copy it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tea that the Americans threw into the harbor as a sign of rebelleon wasn't the english governments tea. Yes, they were criminals, but they were fighting against a greater evil: oppression.

      While I don't condone outright theft, I believe that any government deciding a product that only effects the user is corrupt... And if sierra provides the base for a revolution, then all the sweeter that it comes from a game company.

      However, does anyone else think that Sierra could make a PR killing if they offered a specially priced download for Australians?

    2. Re:Copy it? by isorox · · Score: 1

      The submitter isn't conducting a "revolution". He isn't throwing ship loads of games overboard because of high taxes, he's doing the equivelent of fare dodging when he could quite easilly buy a train ticket and have it posted to him.

    3. Re:Copy it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you actually read the article?

      An OFLC spokesperson confirmed that the title had been banned and could not be imported, hired or sold to the public.

    4. Re:Copy it? by QuantumG · · Score: 1
      So you're going to copy it (hurting the game maker) because your government is stupid?

      Umm, excuse me, but how in God's name is this hurting the game maker? They are not permitted to sell it to Australia. We can't import it. It's debatable in the general case whether copyright infringement does any damage to the game maker, but in this case it's absolutely impossible to count any copyright infringement of their game made by someone in Australia as a loss. So how does it hurt?

      Yes, it sucks that our "classification board" is being used as a "censorship board" and the sooner they recognise that games are an important but of adult life as well as childhood the better, but to claim that it is the public that is causing harm to the maker of this game and not the classification board is rediculous.

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    5. Re:Copy it? by isorox · · Score: 1

      Why can't you import it (it hurt as you are not buying a cd which you have already said you'll buy were it available?)

    6. Re:Copy it? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Because in Australia it is illegal to import games and movies that have been refused a classification by the classification board.

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
    7. Re:Copy it? by isorox · · Score: 1

      It's also illegal to download a copy of that game (which is both importing *and* copyright theft). Much better to smuggle in the real copy, then the media will know you are protesting against the ban rather then just copying it cause you want to play it.

    8. Re:Copy it? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "copyright theft" is not an actual crime, you just made it up or are repeating some bastardization of the law. Here in Australia we don't have criminal copyright infringement, that's some crazy shit the americans made up. On the other hand, you're statement about importing is more debatable. I'll just ask my girlfriend who happens to work in freight and knows all the customs regulations. She says that customs would not be involved because they don't regulate internet traffic. Recently some movie critics were apauled that Ken Park was refused classification. They decided to import it and put on a screening. These are well respected movie critics and it would not do to have them locked up and thrown in jail for importing the movie. So thier lawyers instructed them to send the film over the net (with the permission of the creators of the film) and this would not be considered importing it. They did this and when they announced the public screening of the film the police showed up and took the CD out of the drive and physically prohibited them from playing it.

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
  17. PC VERSION INSTRUCTIONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    (untested)

    1 > go to download.com and get a HEX EDITOR.
    (I chose ULTRAEDIT)

    2 > install the HEX EDITOR and OPEN IT

    3 > OPEN then file >>> AppInit.jam Click FILE > SAVE AS, and save a copy of this file as >>> AppInit.jam(bak) Close the back up file you have just made, then re-open the real AppInit.jam

    6 > use the HEX editors FIND feature (usually CTRL+F) and type in the keyword >>> NudityMode You will see >>> "NudityMode" Type Boolean Data 0 Change the 0 to a 1
    Before : "NudityMode" Type Boolean Data 0
    After : "NudityMode" Type Boolean Data 1

    9 > Save your changes, close the HEX editor, play the game

    10 > ENJOY! =)

    1. Re:PC VERSION INSTRUCTIONS by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      It has been modded funny, but those instructions ARE real. I guess they didn't try to hide the option all that hard.

  18. I think Kevin Smith gonna sue somebody!! by bckrispi · · Score: 3, Funny
    Brodie : Hey, look at that ring. What is that?
    Jared Svenning : That is, um, my Junior College class ring. Cum Laude, '69.
    Brodie : I also hope to cum loud one day, preferably in a 69.

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    Xenon, where's my money? -Borno
  19. best game evAR by Hard_Code · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "use toilet"

    ahem

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    It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
    1. Re:best game evAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why mod this off-topic? The toilet scene was one of the most memorable moments in LL1. To this day I stil remember trying to maintain my laughter to a "whisper level" while playing it at my high school library.

  20. You could have given a spoiler warning by Russellkhan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course it's too late now, you've ruined the plot for the rest of us!

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    Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
  21. As far as Spite goes.... by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    This is more a thought exercise then a useful observation, however....

    If the publisher was feeliug spiteful towards this censor board, whats to prevent them from setting up a server where australians can download the game for free?

    What power does australias censorship laws have to prevent an offshore server from allowing australian citizens to download the game for free?

    END COMMUNICATION

    1. Re:As far as Spite goes.... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      nothing, but what then prevents people from using australian proxies in order to get the game for free even when outside australia

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      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
  22. Without Al Lowe? by glowimperial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not buying a LSL game that doesn't have Al Lowes greasy paws all over it. I used to buy Sierra games because they had the best designers, making the best games. Now, they are just milking licenses.

    1. Re:Without Al Lowe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and i'm not buying a car unless it was designed with pencil and paper. get with the times geezer.

    2. Re:Without Al Lowe? by glowimperial · · Score: 1

      Hey, I've been playin Leisure Suit larry games since I was 6 or 7 years old. I don't care if the series changes grapically or in style. If Al Lowe wrote it, I would run out and buy it. Every product he has ever made has been fun to play. I have no loyalty, as a consumer, to the game, or the characters within. I have loyalty for the guys who made it.

  23. Why no true adult games in US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are there no Adult games in the US market? There are truely no *real* adult type, p0rn games.

    You would think this would be a very huge market to tap. So I must think there is some law prohibiting it?

    Also, why are there not foreign adult/p0rn games. I don't mean those Japanese crpy graphics / no game play games but games on the level of the SIMS 1 or DOOM 2?? You would think you could easily create an LLC, sell them the rights to use the graphics engine, and do something like Postal2 and create one kicking adult game.

    Can someone answer this? A google search does not reveal much.

    1. Re:Why no true adult games in US. by LaundroMat · · Score: 1

      Isn't Molyneux' "The Movies" going to cater for this? It _appears_ you will be able to direct any kind of film, including the much coveted more adult-oriented type. Mind the heavy stress on "appears" though.

      And now that I come (har har) to think of it, didn't Codemasters once say they had a similar thing in the works?

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      "Those innocent fun games of the hallucination generation"
  24. Would have never figured Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to be a be a bastion of the Christian Right. Say, that being the case, can we ship ALL of our Christians down under?

    1. Re:Would have never figured Australia by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Sigh. There's nothing about religion here. It is simply that the classification board does not recognise that adults play video games. Therefore all ratings on video games are for the benefit of parents to decide what their children should be playing. Nothing rated R is considered acceptable for children.

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
  25. Blame "Family First" political party, et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've got an election on (tomorrow) and there is a
    big push Right.

    The Family First party is anti-(lots of stuff,
    but even they won't go against the pro-gambling
    Poker Machine operators... very practical)

    While not necessarly connected to any political
    party, religious schools here feel quite free
    to advertise positions with clearly discrimina-
    tory requirements on applicants, eg:

    South Australia just saw an ad for an "Computer
    Specialist Teacher" position, for which:

    "Applicants must be committed Christians
    whose faith is reflected in their daily
    living"

    http://www.hccs.sa.edu.au

    The Hills Christian Community School, Inc.
    PO Box 120
    Verdun, SA 5245
    AUSTRALIA

    Tel: +61 8 8388 7811

    What's the law elsewhere, vis a vis discriminatory
    employment ad's?

    Here, the worst that can happen is "mentioning in
    the parliament" (no fine or other reason not to do so).

    Ref: 18 Sep 2004's Advertiser, Career Section,
    p. 17 (a display advert in Teaching Appointments

    Even though lots of other religions are rising in
    numbers, in Australia (& SA), one is still asked
    for one's Christian name, only Christian holidays are grounds for restrictive shop-closures (eg, around Xmas holidays), & such ad's are to be seen each weekly employment section.

    Of course, Family First isn't calling for assist-ance for the family in dewtention in Australia's detention centers ( 1,000 assylum-seekers still
    in such detention centers today ).

    Doesn't say much for Chritian love or Family First
    but we'll see how that party goes in tomorrow's
    election, eh?

  26. I imported a banned game that was seized. by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

    Grand Theft Auto 3 on PC.

    i knew the Australia version was edited so i purchased a copy from O/S. i dont know how they knew about it, maybe it was labelled on the envelope/box but i got a letter a few days after it should have arrived saying it was seized by Customs because it was illegal in Australia.

    i went into the Customs building to argue my case, and the guy would have nothing of it, it was obviously just on a blacklist and there was nothing he could do. he was obviously clueless towards the game and whatever, even tho he tried to tell me he thought that the game had things that probably shouldnt be allowed. i told him that at 25 years of age i was probably old enough to decide that for myself.

    there was never any talk of fines or any sort of punishment, i just lost it, 'surrendered to the crown' and destroyed. maybe because it was a computer game they didnt bother, i dont know. i probably still have the paperwork around somewhere. i think if i was trying to export it it might have been different because i would have been in ownership of it. he said i could contact the memeber of parliment that dealt with this stuff but that it wouldnt be worth the effort and something else that i wasnt really listening to.

    i mentioned again at the stupidity of banning a game for EVERYBODY just because a small group of people with more power than brains feel that its not suitable for under 18s, swore loudly a few times out of pure frustration and then left. i purchased a copy from a local store that same afternoon, got home and found on online that the only difference between the international version and the edited Australia version was NOTHING and that the game actually checked for the country regional setting on the computer before implementing the edits. so my computer was suddenly from New Zealand, and my game was suddenly complete.

  27. This is hilarious by Moo+Moo+Cow+of+Death · · Score: 1

    This is hilarious, did this really come from the same country that did this shit? http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/08/10445 79987451.html?oneclick=true

  28. Not the OFLC Fault by stevenc · · Score: 1

    Blame the conservative government. The OFLC released a report recommending that the government allow an R rating for games. As their study showed a significant portion of the gaming public is now over 18. However the govt knocked the report back. Helps the conservative govt keep their "family" interest groups happy.

  29. Conker's Bad Fur Day by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

    I'm just suprised they never banned Conker's Bad Fur Day - after all you have a fight with a giant turn, who is hurling smaller turds at you all the while singing about shit fetishes...

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    Sara
    Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
    1. Re:Conker's Bad Fur Day by feidaykin · · Score: 1
      All that from a game that started out with complaints of being "too cute for its own good" or something like that, heh. I never got a chance to play it since I never owned an N64. The N64 era was when I started getting into PC gaming which left little funds to support a simultaneous console addiction.

      Though when it comes to banned games, I think the most amusing story is the German version of Half-Life. Valve apparently added in robotic soldiers instead of people for that release, and even though that version was released months after the original, it still sold around 50,000 copies. Insane. Maybe shooting tin men is actually more fun?

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      "To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking