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"Phishing" Attacks to Increase

neutron_p writes "The number of people who succumb to identity thieves' "phishing" e-mails could go way up if immediate action isn't taken to preempt the next generation of attacks, according to an Indiana University School of Informatics researcher. "Phishing" e-mails appear to be sent by legitimate businesses, but are actually created and distributed by villains who are after your personal information. They describe some thieves' tricks. One kind of context-aware attack tricks eBay bidders into giving out identifying information by leading bidders to believe they've won an auction. In another kind of context-aware attack, a potential victim might receive a message from a known person -- for example, a friend or loved one - asking him or her to go to a Web site to update banking information."

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  1. Moving right along by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The article does not really say anything new. Of course phishing scams are on the rise: When they succeed, they succeed very well. It's just like spam that sells Body Part Enlargement Pills. Only a few victims need to fall for it befor the perps fall in love with the whole idea.

    But off-topic, did anyone else notice the "Further Reading" section below the article?

    • The Elements of Style, Fourth Edition by Roger Angell
    • The Art of Innovation : Lessons in Creativity from IDEO, America's Leading Design Firm by by Tom Peters
    • Reporting Technical Information by Thomas E. Pearsall
    • Optical Illusions : Lucent and the Crash of Telecom by Lisa Endlich
    • National Electrical Code 2002 Handbook
    The dead tree compilation of HOWTO: PHISH (except for maybe the last one). Ha!
    --
    // Beyond Here Lie Dragons
    1. Re:Moving right along by D_Gr8_BoB · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The article does not really say anything new

      No, it's all about a new class of "context aware" attacks which the author believes will have a much higher rate of success than the current ones (50% versus an estimated 3% now). You can disagree with the author's conclusions, but the article is at least talking about something I hadn't heard of before.

  2. first post? by Anubis350 · · Score: 3, Informative

    wasnt there a recent article about google doing something about this here: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/18/023 6201&tid=111&tid=217&tid=95&tid=1 as I understand it, yahoo's signing technology, which hopefully will become a standard, will help stop such attacks. Google signing on to it helps push it quite a bit

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    "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
    1. Re:first post? by LiENUS · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except for one problem gmail is still by invitation only, sure they may be passing invitations out like crazy but untill they are open to joe schmoe to just goto www.gmail.com and sign up... gmail wont have a big enough impact.

  3. In Other News... by inkdesign · · Score: 5, Funny

    Number of Idiots On the Internet To Increase...

    1. Re:In Other News... by bananaape · · Score: 2, Funny

      Use "id-10-t" so as not to offend them in person.

  4. One nice new thing in Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Was the addition of yellow highlighting for secure sites, and the domain in the status bar. It really makes picking up when you're on a secure site easier. In the past you had to really look for that little lock icon or whatever.

    Phishing is just conmen moving to the internet. They use similar tricks in the real world, just on a smaller audience. Here in the DC area there are several police imposters running around, some of them tricking people into withdrawing all the money from their bank (it's counterfeit!!!) and others actually using flashing lights to pull over people on the road.

    1. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It really makes picking up when you're on a secure site easier.

      I'm sorry, but just because the site uses SSL doesn't mean they are who you think they are.

    2. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Firefox does make it nicer but I would still not rely solely on this for security.

      Its still easy to misread "www.capital-one.com" as the place where you do banking.

      --
      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
    3. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by syntap · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but at least you are transmitting all your personal info to just that thief in a secure fashion, and it won't be picked up by other thieves.

    4. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by tgd · · Score: 2, Informative

      If the URL in the bar says citibank.com, and its yellow, and I didn't do some jackass thing like ignore the certificate name mismatch, it sure does mean that.

    5. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by cmg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One thing I just got onto my banking website for is in a new version, they switched to using components spread amongst 4 domain names.

      It's hard enough telling grandma that www.examplebank.com is different from www.example-bank.com for phishing scams. It's only harder when the banks themselves are spreading confusion.

    6. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Misleading domain names, username/host parameters in the URL, and certificates from not-so-trusted providers (or self-issued) are easy ways to trick a user into thinking they're at one site when they're at another.

      There was a Phishing test posted here on Slashdot a while back. One of the trickiest examples used a hostname/username/password in the URL. The regular user wouldn't know what that was - essentially, you're passing a username to the server along the lines of "www.hotmail.com" but the actual domain (which follows that username) is "www.youhavebeenowned.com"

      As another poster pointed out - citybank.com, citi-bank.com, citibanque.com, citibank.phishing.com, etc. are enough to trick a lot of people.

    7. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by Uptown+Joe · · Score: 2, Informative

      IE in XP SP2 does that too.

    8. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What we need is a new tld. Something like .bank which is only for finacial sites. Only bansk which can prove theyare real along with with a 'no confusing names' policy could go a long way to fighting fraud.

    9. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bottom line is: a fool and his (or her) money are soon parted. It's harsh but it will always be true, no matter what new laws are passed. Scammers will always find a way to seperate naive people from their money, legally or illegally.

    10. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >It would be difficult for the crook to cover up his trails after buying a cert from a CA.

      Would it?

      Just use a stolen credit card or a credit card with fake id and a fake address. All it needs it to be up for a few weeks. Done.

      --
      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
    11. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bottom line is: a fool and his (or her) money are soon parted

      I disagree. We aren't dealing with fools here, we discussing people who have been ripped off.
      Crime victims are not fools because they have been defrauded by technologically-advanced shitpeople.

      If there are any 'fools' here it is us. For assuming that we could unleash cool advanced new technology like internet commerce onto the general public without our having built-in safeguards against the criminal element who would use this new technology to prey on people. People who trusted us and our technology.

      We should be the ones who take responsibility to ensure that the criminals who use our technology to steal and defraud are punished. We can't rely on the established law-enforcement authorities since they are far too busy dealing with all the 12-year-old file-sharers, pot smokers, and grandmas trying to board airplanes with plastic forks.

      We created the technology that created the problem. We can't deal with the problem by just calling people 'fools' as a result of their using the technology that we told them would improve their lives.

      Just once I'd like the see the sun come up in the West over the Golden Gate Bridge. Just once I'd like to read mature and ethical comments from Slashdot posters.

    12. Re:One nice new thing in Firefox by aaza · · Score: 2, Informative
      There was a Phishing test posted here on Slashdot a while back.

      Yep. story (IT subdomain removed to preserve eyes)

      test

      Enjoy.

      --
      In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
      In practice, however, there is.
  5. Quick & Dirty Hack ... by johnhennessy · · Score: 5, Funny


    Give anyone who falls for one a Darwin award.

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    [ Monday is a terrible way to spend one seventh of your life. ]
  6. Humans... by Duncan3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Social engineering will always work, and will always be very easy, because users are stupid.

    Phishing is just technology-enabled social engineering.

    --
    - Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
    1. Re:Humans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      nahh I love these...

      I set up a website testing app full of profanity and point it at the "webform" these losers try and scam people with and fill their database.

      I let it run until it start's erroring out because it has been taken down.

    2. Re:Humans... by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously, doesn't the parent have a point here?

      I mean, there will be scam artists as long as people are uninformed enough to fall for a scam. Doesn't every single site that you give sensitive information to WARN you that they will never ask you for that information?

      I remember the first time I ever logged in to AOL, someone named "SS Rupert" IM-ed me telling me that my credit card number was lost in the last transmission and I needed to re-send it. This is immediately after the old AOL screen that says "We will never ask you for your password or credit card information". I laughed at his IM and asked him how many people fell for that? He told me that he just hung around the "newbie chat" or wherever it was that AOL dumped new users at the time and that he gets about 10 to 15 PER CENT of people to send him one or the other without even questioning him.

      I almost completely agree that if you're dumb enough to fall for the scam, you deserve it.

    3. Re:Humans... by stilwebm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I almost completely agree that if you're dumb enough to fall for the scam, you deserve it.

      Most slashdot readers are smart enough to avoid this type of scam, so it's easy to say "these scams don't affect me." Them problem is, they do. Increased success of scams leads to increased fees and holdbacks for credit card transactions, increased retail prices, increased costs for investigations, increased costs for prevention and decreased productivity. These are all small hidden costs but they add up. Maximizing prevetion has real economic benefits for everyone. Sympathizing with the criminals only hurts lawful consumers.

    4. Re:Humans... by White+Roses · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Exatcly.

      My parents call me if they get something like this. My sister calls me. Now, the calls have been getting fewer and fewer since I've been subtly educating them on how to recognize such things. Plus, I've always told them, even if it's me asking you for information in an e-mail, call the person who sent it first. Call Earthlink. Call your bank. Call me if it looks like it came from me. Remember that all of these people should already know the information they are supposedly requesting.

      As an aside, kudos to National City Mortgage. Someone published a phishing e-mail, and I got it. First time I looked at it, I said, yeah, phishing. When I looked at it again half an hour later, the banner, which was linked in the e-mail to NCM's website, had "DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL! IT IS A SCAM ATEMPTING TO GAIN ACCOUNT NUMBER AND PASSWORD!" overlayed on it. Pretty slick way for NCM to get the word out to everyone who got the e-mail, and not startle people who didn't. Of course, the phishers had to be morons to do something like that.

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      Do not touch -Willie
    5. Re:Humans... by discord5 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I mean, there will be scam artists as long as people are uninformed enough to fall for a scam.

      Internet is in more than one way a mirror of real life society. As long as there are people naive enough to disclose personal information, or lend money to people who'll never give it back, there will be people who do these kind of scams. The internet is not the place crooks are born, real life is. People seem to forget about that and mention internet as the source of all evil.

      I almost completely agree that if you're dumb enough to fall for the scam, you deserve it.

      I don't really share that opinion. Yes, people are too trusting far too often, but that doesn't mean that they earn getting ripped off.

      The thing is that while now we may say "Oh, it's just some idiot who gave out his VISA number to a lot of scammers", who knows maybe we'll be the fools of the generation of scammers to come. I'd rather not have someone say "People who are too dumb deserve to scammed" then.

    6. Re:Humans... by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And social engineering is "just" lying or acting with intent to deceive. It's not fundamentally different just because it has a 1337er name.

    7. Re:Humans... by ednopantz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You my friend are a hero.

      Better yet, program it to fill in plausable data and let the bastards spend all their time trying to use bogus user info.

      Or perhaps the solution is to send out a bunch of phishing emails and point them to a website that educates users: "You just gave your banking info to an unknown party. Had this been a real scam, you would be broke now."

    8. Re:Humans... by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So why not just eliminate the no-liability clauses in credit card agreements to reflect that if you (the cardholder, accountholder, whatever) give away information that leads to a loss, you are solely liable for that loss without limitation?

      That's unenforceable because it's impossible to prove that any particular illegal use of my credit card number was the (direct or indirect) result of my giving the number to the wrong person. Besides, that liability clause is a selling point for credit cards. No one would choose a card that held them liable for unauthorized charges.

      --
      And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
      To mold a new reality... closer to the heart
    9. Re:Humans... by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And do you personally audit the security of every online vendor you buy from to see that they're all up-to-date with patches? what about unpatched vulnerabilities? zero-day exploits? or heck, even loaded ATMs, as the required tech gets better, smaller and harder to spot?

      Bottom-line, if it were all under your control, then you might reasonably want to assume responsability for it. But this is not the case - and all you need is for one of the points of failure to give in. Are you willing to risk it?

    10. Re:Humans... by scot4875 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I almost completely agree that if you're dumb enough to fall for the scam, you deserve it.

      I almost completely agree that if you're not strong enough to defend yourself, you deserved to get your ass kicked by that big linebacker guy.

      We have this thing called a 'society' around us -- it works best if we HELP LOOK OUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TROUBLE LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

      --Jeremy

      --
      Jesus was a liberal
    11. Re:Humans... by beacher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Increased success of scams leads to increased fees"

      Give Master Card or VISA a completed investigation with the suspect's names, a written confession, an itemized list of goods purchased with stolen credit cards, videotapes of the suspects and THEY STILL WON'T PROSECUTE. They don't give a flying fuck because they can write it off and then pass the screwing on to you the customer. My department almost re-wrote their evidence rules because they were almost categorized as "victimless crimes" (the cc company is the unwilling victim that never claimed their property) and the evidence was almost considered lost and found.

      I feel bad for anyone that has their identity stolen - happened to me and it took 3 years to straighten out, but I have *NO* sympathy whatsoever for any cc company (except AmEx, they were militant and have my respect). If they increased prosection and put some of these people away instead of "trying to prevent" it, then they would get somewhere.

    12. Re:Humans... by udoschuermann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stupidity isn't the reason why social engineering succeeds, but rather it is rooted in the trust that we all must show towards each other in our daily life: you trust other drivers on the road, the train operator, the cook at the restaurant, and construction workers who built the house you live in, not to be targeting you. Social engineering abuses this trust.

      Most computer users have an appallingly crippled understanding of the technology they use to surf the web, write letters, and balance their checkbook. They perceive no need to understand it more, and more importantly have insufficient background to grasp all the ways that this technology can be used against them even if they had the chance to learn. That isn't stupidity, necessarily, but a fact of life. Social engineering will continue to work as long as there are people who are involved in something (anything) that has the potential for abuse. None of us can know all about everything and be constantly on guard about potential abuse. That's just life.

      Is there a solution as far as the internet is concerned? I really don't know, but it would have to lie in better interfaces, IMO. What if a browser were to perform a DNS lookup on all permutations of a URL (e.g. citybank, citibank, citi6ank, citi-bank, etc.) and show a warning if the URL seems suspect. Or show an analysis of a URL with multiple domain names, login name, and password in it.

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      --Udo.
    13. Re:Humans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Or perhaps the solution is to send out a bunch of phishing emails and point them to a website that educates users: "You just gave your banking info to an unknown party. Had this been a real scam, you would be broke now."

      Yeah, good luck explaining this to the cops when they come knocking on your door.

  7. USERS are the problem by drsmack1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until the majority of the people out there have the critial thinking skills to deal with this sort of thing the problems will continue. The same people who are stupid enough to give out their info to someone who e-mails them are the one buying shit from SPAM e-mails.

  8. In related news... by slavemowgli · · Score: 5, Informative

    In related news, Google has recently updated Gmail with an automatic detection of phishing attempts / spoofed emails; suspicious emails will be displayed with a warning:

    "Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal information. Learn more"

    Like spam detection, it's not perfect, of course, but I think it's a very good idea.

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    quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
    1. Re:In related news... by 1984 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's hope nobody sues Google for providing a phishing-detection service which turns out to be less than 100% reliable, and thusly inappropriate to abdicate all personal responsbility to.

    2. Re:In related news... by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2, Informative

      ClamAV also has been adding signatures that match common phishing mails.

  9. Jealous by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 4, Funny

    The author of the article is just jealous because I'm going to get millions from Nigeria, and he isn't!

  10. All starts with real SPAM by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For example

    1.) fleetbank send out some email advertisment
    2.) hackers now have a model email to modify
    3.) hackers can just redirect some links and resend it to different users.

    So to fix this, real companies need to STOP sending out spam.

    1. Re:All starts with real SPAM by tardibear · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed! I have received two emails from my building society which include the phrase A number of bogus e-mails are currently circulating in the UK encouraging customers to visit fraudulent websites where personal or Internet security details are requested. Halifax would never send e-mails that ask for confidential or personal security information and it is very important that you do not reply to these e-mails or click on any links within them.

      Sensible advice and policy, except that it's immediately followed by this LINK: Please read our security section for help and more information.

      Almost unbelievable!

  11. Re:Maybe this is a good sign by marika · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe the scammers are just too technically challenged to hack and prefer using the good old social engineering.

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    This is totally insecure, but very convenient.
  12. Loved ones wanting bank info? by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for example, a friend or loved one - asking him or her to go to a Web site to update banking information

    OK, hands up, whose mother has a habit of wanting one to provide bank account info via some web site? I can see the duplicitous falling for the fake 'from your bank' emails, but from friends and loved ones???

    And some people want democracy to be MORE direct???

    1. Re:Loved ones wanting bank info? by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny
      It goes something like this:


      Dear son,

      Pleaze go to the link below to update yoor bank account infromation. I am not feeeling well these days and I want to make shure that you get yoor inheretence munny as quickly as possible. Thanks!

      Love,

      Mom

  13. Could be real... might not be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is one from a friend I only know online, so take it's truthfulness with a grain of salt. Out of a mix of curiosity and a bet/dare with a co-worker, he engineered to insert a small harmless fake phish into email, one distributed to members of staff around the organisation, which provides financial support for other government departments. It was a completely stupid one, with the email simply asking staff members to go to a site and re-confirm their credit information, and the site took down names/addresses/SS/credit card numbers etc. Out of more than a hundred employees, *ONE* person came to him as support to check what the email might be, and fifteen filled out their complete credit information.

    That was around 10% of people, adults who should know better, who simply gave up their personal information to nobody they knew, just because they were asked. My friend lost his bet, he thought it would be closer to 30%, but still... send out hundreds of thousands of phish scams and you're guaranteed a good haul.

  14. Somebody teach the legit companies... by Se7enLC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How are we supposed to tell the difference between a legitimate email from a company and a phishing attempt when places like CapitalOne use skeezy companies like bfi0.com for sending email to their customers? A link that says "Click here to access your statement" that actually goes to http://capitalone.bfi0.com/T8RT044ABB6D98DEB357FB2 EDD4A80 makes me feel safe inside.

    1. Re:Somebody teach the legit companies... by Scorchio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a serious problem... I get emails from Bank of America, telling me how cool it is to pay my bills through their online service, and provides links to the site. The link isn't simply to http://www.bankofamerica.com/, it's http://links.bankofamerica1.com:8082/Click?q=eXXXX , which redirects to the former. Is it really Bank of America, or is it a phisher who's registered the domain name with a '1' on the end? I'm fairly sure it's ok, but I'm sure they don't expect all customers to run whois enquiries on link addresses.

      The thing that scares me is that it could so easily be a more subtle phishing email. It doesn't follow the more obvious method of asking for people to login to verify their details. If it was a scam, this could easily fool even those of us who should know better - those of us who have just crawled out of bed and remembered the phone bill still needs paying. Clicking the link and logging in is so easy, and exactly what a phisher is waiting for.

    2. Re:Somebody teach the legit companies... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since we're venting on crazy domains from real businesses, my monthly NJ EZ-Pass email statement also provides a link to the effect of: ezpass.[some obscure domain].com. One of these days I'm worried that someone will send a phish message and I'll think it's the real thing. Thanks EZ Pass...you bastards!

    3. Re:Somebody teach the legit companies... by Wanker · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How are we supposed to tell the difference between a legitimate email from a company and a phishing attempt when places like CapitalOne use skeezy companies like bfi0.com for sending email to their customers?


      I realize your question was rhetorical-- there's no way to tell the difference between these "legitimate" off-domain links and phishing attacks based solely on the contents of the message.

      What you can do is to call the help number for the company (CapitalOne in the above example) and explain that you received a "suspicious" E-mail and want to verify that it's legitimate. If they get and pay for enough of these calls (sadly, this is unlikely) they might think twice about outsourcing their hosting to another domain.
  15. Re:Maybe this is a good sign by Trigun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you kick down a door, or do you try the knob first?

    Also, there are various graduations of criminal, from petty thug to criminal mastermind. There are more thugs than masterminds (mostly because if there were tons of masterminds, all the cool costumes would be taken).

    Read it how you will. This is, I assume, much easier than hacking into the bank. Doesn't mean that you couldn't hack into the bank.

  16. easy algorhythms for thwarting scams by mabu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One easy way to address this situation would be to have a plugin or feature for most e-mail clients that would prominently display the general source of the message (i.e. "China, Brazil, DSL user in Texas, etc.) as a prominent part of the normally-viewable message headers.

    It is well known that most spam and phishing e-mails are coming from one of two sets of IP space: China and Korea and related "rogue IP space", and DSL-based zombie proxies. It would not be difficult to use a database or design an algorhythm which could 'flag' e-mail messages as suspicious based on the comparison between the from header information and the SMTP relay.

    Users who then received messages could get a color-coded warning when they view the message, i.e.:

    "WARNING: This e-mail claims to be from the domain ebay.com but it originated from a system suspected of being located in China - use caution"

    Very simple, elegant and helpful solution. Which probably means it would never be adopted.

    1. Re:easy algorhythms for thwarting scams by Kenja · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you think this would work? Its the mail server that generates such mail header content. When the "server" is a compromised home box sitting on a DSL connection, why would the trojan/virus/what have you be honest about the origins of the email it generates?

      --

      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    2. Re:easy algorhythms for thwarting scams by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because your email server (i.e. the one on which your account is located) adds to the headers the location of the machine it got the mail from.

      So zombiexp43964.dsl.bigisp.com might send out an email claiming to be from paypal.com, but the email server at e.g. myrealbox.com adds to the headers of the message the fact that it came from zombiexp43964.dsl.bigisp.com.

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      I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
    3. Re:easy algorhythms for thwarting scams by Kenja · · Score: 2, Informative

      and if email worked that way you'd have a point. The whole reason for all these server signing systems that microsoft/google/etc are starting to use is because in standard SMTP the server trusts the mail header and will not make corrections. In otherwords, your server has no way to confirm that the mail didn't come from the source it claims.

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      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    4. Re:easy algorhythms for thwarting scams by OmniVector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      or how about just viewing your raw email?

      in mail.app i see the email address: eBay@reply3.ebay.com

      but when i go and view the raw source i actually it was delivered by:
      Received: from mail.wooms.net (unknown [212.124.39.178])

      a simple whois wooms.net tells me:
      Peter Brueggemann guardian@globe.de
      Wooms e.V.
      Hammer Strasse 37
      Muenster, NRW 48153
      DE
      +49 2512034762

      somehow i doubt that's ebay.

      --
      - tristan
  17. fixed link by Anubis350 · · Score: 2, Informative

    fixed link

    here

    oh, and btw, how the hell is my post offtopic???

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    "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
  18. "Mom" as a phisher by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "a potential victim might receive a message from a known person -- for example, a friend or loved one - asking him or her to go to a Web site to update banking information"

    Yeah, that's a likely scenario. Your dad or mom writing you all concerned that your bank information needs updating. Has anyone, anywhere, ever had that happen in real life? OK, never mind, I'm sure it has happened to someone, and for sure that person is reading this comment and will respond all indignantly. But you get the point. I cannot believe this approach would be accepted. This is not a typical, 'Hey, check this out' type of email from a relative. It's just a little too strange to work.

    Now I have been phished, usually by Citibank-looking emails asking me to click here and update my information. The fact that I don't have a Citibank account was my first clue. The fact that I read /. and know about phishing was my second clue. The fact that I know banks don't operate that way was my third clue. But they are professionally looking emails, until you look closely and find all the typos. But pretending the email comes from Mom?? The first thing I would do is call her up and ask what's going on. And then she could say, "You called, it worked!"

    Oh wait, this is a phishing expedition, not from bad guys, but from parents who want more phone calls from their children!

  19. Anti-Phishing Working Group by sharp-bang · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can read more about efforts to combat phishing here. Lots of purty charts and plenty of specific examples.

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  20. Public Awareness == Good by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was pleasantly surprised at a commercial I recently heard on the radio while driving. It was a public service announcement laying down the basics of phishing (they even said "spelled with a 'ph'") and what kinds of warning signs to look for. I hope to see more announcements of this type, as computers begin to affect almost 100% of the people in our society.

  21. 419 scams by donnyspi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I use phishing techniques to get 419 scammers to give me their email password so i can shut them down. I usually direct them to a URL promising to contain a scanned image of my passport or whatever. The link usually goes to a log in screen for their particular email provider. This works great. I know they'll just get another email address, but this is a small thing I can do to disrupt them a little.

    1. Re:419 scams by donnyspi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I do look in their boxes sometimes. Unfortunately the sucker count is moderately high. Their drafts folder is full of canned letters. Sometimes their Sent Items is full of sent scam emails. I thought most 419ers used programs to send out the initial bulk scam email.

      Check out http://www.419eater.com/ for other people's reverse scam and phishing successes.

    2. Re:419 scams by tekiegreg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Heh, I'm a regular surfer of 419eater.com and even now am baiting a scammer, I actually wonder now if you were looking at faked responses in their inboxes from fellow 419 reverse scammers :-)

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  22. always a bigger phish by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now that we're in the PTO War that will last the rest of our lives, is Congress cracking down on the phishers who depend on trademark violation to bait their hooks as hard as the RIAA is persecuting perceived violators of their copyrights?

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  23. Once Virtual Scent Sensing is widely available... by slowhand · · Score: 5, Funny

    The same folks will fall for Pharting scemes.

    "It has come to our attention that your Scents information may have been compromised. In order to prevent you becoming victim to an incorrect Rose scent on a virtual bouquet, or an invalid Roast Turkey smell this Christmas you should log in and sniff at our server to verify your sniffers.
    Thank you!"

    Ewwww!

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  24. Econ class paid off after all... by trevdak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An interesting thing about these scams is how game theory applies to them. If they don't send out any emails, of course they don't make any money. If they send out only a thousand or so per day, they'll probably succeed one or two people, and make a decent amount of money. Additionally, they'll remain more anonymous and reduce the risk of word spreading about this scam. If EVERY scammer sends out millions of these emails, people will catch on quickly and profits will plummet. That's what they did now. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon and the scam bubble burst.

    I believe that the success of these scams will decline over time. Just like with the 409 scams, there will a larger number of people who fall for it at the beginning, but then numbers will drop. Will it always be profittable for them? Most likely, yes, unless email verification becomes much more standard. Will they go away? No. Will they eventually find some new scheme that is even more clever? Without a doubt.

    I dunno what my point is. Someone agree with me.

  25. Got one of these a week ago... by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got a phishing e-mail (should it be called 'bate'?) a week or so ago, but there were two key things that let me know it was a scam (aside from general common sense):

    1) I don't have an account at the bank listed (Citibank, in this case.)

    2) The e-mail itself was a giant GIF. (It did have the 'fail-to-get-around-spamblocker' words in text at the bottom, though.)

    Instead of getting rid of phishing scams, we should get rid of low-common sense/stupid people on the net. Then we wouldn't have this problem. Or many others.

    A leader is only a leader when he has followers.

  26. Re:Huh? by Yolegoman · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's "Phishing", and the general idea behind it is to send someone an email saying something like "We, Citibank, need you to update your banking information due to a database crash." They then send you to a site that LOOKS legit, and you then enter your information or even just your username / password. The phishers then have your account information, and they are free to do whatever they please with it. As has been said, it's only because uneducated grandmas and fools actually do what the emails say that the Phishers keep sending their crap. - Yolego

  27. Counterattacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whenever I get a phishing email I click the link so that I get the real url (the emails usually use Javascript to make it look like you're going to a legitimate website). I try to load the base url to see if it's actually some person's website who's been hacked, and doesn't know that he's hosting phishing pages. But usually, it's someone who's probably hosting a site on a residential connection. A traceroute should tell you where. Then, I blast that site with as much traffic as I can. Because they're often on low bandwidth connections, I can often take them out myself. The apachebench tool is handy for this.

    These people are often located in countries where the law enforcement of these crimes may be lax or non-existent. Therefore, I believe that vigilante justice, along with consumer education, are some of the few things we can do to prevent people from getting ripped off.

    1. Re:Counterattacks by altjira · · Score: 2, Informative

      How fair is that? I check all my incoming phishing emails. One went to a tiny school district in Missouri. I thought some smart teenager had set it up, but then I noticed that all the collected info was sent to another site in Florida. I sent emails to the admins of both sites, and the Florida one wrote back in a couple of hours and said he had shut down the account. I don't know where it went after that (the email had originated in Romania), but I had succeeded in breaking one link in the chain, and alerted the Missouri webmaster that he had problems he needed to take care of- without crashing his system.

      I'm not a great net guru, but I try and do my part. I send all phishing emails to uce@ftc.gov and reportphishing@antiphishing.org and to the abuse addresses at the hosting IP's. I know it would be better if all the "stupid" users could be educated to spot these things themselves, but that just isn't going to happen. We who know better should be doing more to stop this instead of laughing at the gullible.

  28. Size of the problem by prostoalex · · Score: 3, Informative

    Americans lose $500 mln yearly to phishing.

    That's large enough amount for personal scale, especially if you've lost the savings that have been put up against a new house or new car.

    But on the large scale, banks won't care, the loss is $3-4 a person, you lose more per year on some dubious surcharges.

  29. its easy to call people stupid by OwlofCreamCheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    its so easy to blame the problem being stupid. but people that grew up with only the 'real world' don't really have any referance to understand this by. I mean, I'd be dumb to fall for a trick where a dumpster across the street from me claims to be my bank. but you don't have to settle for that online, copys are easy. if a building across the street from me became a perfect copy of the bank I went to, I'd be like "hey, new branch, convenient"

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  30. Well, thats not gonna happen, but... by dthree · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Credit card companies, banks, paypal, and any site that deals with financial transactions that could be comprimised by phishing scams need to establish a 1-point policy for client email: never link back to the site from the email. If every company did this, and users were instructed to always type the url in the browser to access thier account, and made if clear that the company would never send an email with links to the site or account, eventually people would be able to tell the phishing from the real. I know its not a perfect solution, but the convenience of "click here to access your account" emails is what fuels the phishing scams.

    OTOH, I have yet to personally get a phising scam (and I get them every day) that purported to be from a company I actually do business with, with the exception of paypal. And all my credit cards are from big, national companies.

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  31. This problem is directly caused by by Omnifarious · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This problem is directly caused by the use of insecure human-readable names, and the use of IP addresses as identifiers. Both things don't work on the Internet. You need names that can be mathematically verified to be owned by the party you're communicating with. Names should be public keys.

  32. Re:Scams happen.. by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sad to say, but there are simply too many people out there that believe everything they read on the internet. Once the older generation passes on, I suspect this problem will go away, but until then scams like this and the old telephone ones will be a ripe place for ripoffs.

    It's not just the older ones, not all the time. Take a third year university student I know who came in all excited that he got an email from this guy in africa who needed to transport $20million out of the country... ...his third year uni student brain started ticking over, realised it might be a trap and he should proceed warily, and announced his plan was to give his bank details to the guy so he'd get the cash in his account and then skip out on the scammer.

    Never thinking for once that there just might not BE a $20million to start with. Sucked straight in. AFAIK he was just couldn't be bothered going ahead or was warned off by someone else - he still seems to be financially stable :P.

  33. Multiple Phishing websites by smharr4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My firewall was subjected to the now-often seen ssh attacks.. but this one was different, there were thousands of attempts.

    When I pasted the originating IP address into Firefox, a web-based interface for sending phishing emails was shown, complete with defalt 'paypal' text filled in.

    When I followed the link in the 'paypal' email (another IP address) i discovered that not only did the site contain a 'paypal' site, but also an 'ebay' and 'Wells Fargo' site too.

    I took a mirror of the offending pages, and I'm about to do a write-up... but I thought I'd post a quick precis of what I found, considering the relevance of the story.

  34. Re: I would agree with you... but.. by bludstone · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've actually recieved one of these emails. It looked legit.

    Really legit.

    In fact, the only clue that it wasnt an official notice was the email came from ebay.(official sounding name).com

    That and they asked for my l/p, which I know not to give over email.

    Honestly, I can say that this goes beyond normal user stupidity. People are being scammed, and these are expert scams. Yeah, people need to apply more critical thinking skills to these things, but I think you are not giving the creators of these emails enough credit.

    I mean, they look _really_ official.

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  35. Re:Where did the test go? by stecoop · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here the /. article and here is the test. I think those test were bogus though because it didn't let you see the full source email.

  36. Where did this name come from? by tube013 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where did this term Phishing come from?

    Whenever I see it I think of the Band Phish who are now retired as a band. And weren't at all about attacks or fraud. Heck they probably hold a trademark on Phish, and should sue everyone for using it in this manner. This is a lot differnt then the spam and hormel thing. Spam ala hormel was bad ala mail spam. Phish ala the band isn't nearly as relatable to this "phishing" stuff.

    1. Re:Where did this name come from? by Reglar_Joe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They may need to stand in line behind Hormel, who are *still* upset about Spam(tm).

  37. Behavioural change, not technology by Ced_Ex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Phishing schemes and scams are based upon taking advantage of people's ignorance.

    Proper education is key to solving this problem. All the techonology in the world isn't going to prevent someone from passing their info to some criminal.

    Think about this, this scam could have been conducted for regular brick and mortar bank by having a scam artist walk door to door asking people to update on a paper form their account information. Of course no one will do this because we all know better than to just give our information to a stranger knocking on our door.

    The same applies to email. Once people realize this is not an acceptable method to update or pass information, then these scams fall out of favour.

    Education of the internet is a must for everyone that uses it. Sort of like financial management education when you get your first credit card, the same should be applied to those getting internet access.

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  38. The Arrogance of the Comments is Astounding. by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far I've read multiple 'stupid user' accounts. It amazes me that so many people are so arrogant because they see this type of stuff day in and day out that they'd expect every person out there to think of people this evil to come up to them with this type of attack.

    People genuinely trust folks, that's why they call it social engineering. You can walk just about anywhere with a clipboard and a pen and get access to just about anything in a standard business environment.

    Working for a vendor I've had many 'seasoned sysadmins' rattle off a password to me like it was nothing. Granted I've never once used them outside the context that they were given but the fact that some of them would affect the bottom line of the company with a few simple commands would not be the best thing.

    Do I call those admins stupid? no, not really. Guess that is where I differ. I don't find the BOFH and similar things funny either though.

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    1. Re:The Arrogance of the Comments is Astounding. by talexb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • Working for a vendor I've had many 'seasoned sysadmins' rattle off a password to me like it was nothing. Granted I've never once used them outside the context that they were given but the fact that some of them would affect the bottom line of the company with a few simple commands would not be the best thing.

      Poor planning on the SysAdmins part -- they should have set up an 'expires really soon' guest account with sudo

      Handing out root access is an invitation to disaster. Or maybe people want to test that their DRP is up to snuff?

    2. Re:The Arrogance of the Comments is Astounding. by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Poor planning on the SysAdmins part -- they should have set up an 'expires really soon' guest account with sudo

      Doesn't help. I've done that. The contractor needs adminnistrative access to the doman because the person that set up the web app was a moron and you couldn't do what you needed to without domain admin rights. So, he is on a 2 month contract. I set it to expire in 3 months. 3 months later, I get a call that the contractor can't get in. I ask when he will be done, another month. I set it to 3 months again. The next time (yes, the 2 month contractor was there over 12 months), I'm told to set it to never expire. I let them know that is a violation of security policy and I won't do it. A few minutes later, my boss orders me to do it.

      So, proper security policy was circumvented because schedules were not being met and someone was too impatient to wait a few minutes every 3 months (or warn me in advance they will be staying longer). I don't see how giving an time-unlimited password with full domain admin access to a non-employee was any fault of the sysadmin.

  39. Wiki sez... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  40. Re:I get countless dozens of these every week by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've tracked a LOT of these ebay scams to Korea. Dubya was right, North Korea is a threat.

    It's not North Korea, it's South Korea. The place is full of ridiculously fat broadband connections, and the ISPs don't seem too bothered about what goes on on the networks. Since Koreans aren't any brighter than the rest of us, an awful lot of those broadband connections go to Windows machines which have been 0wnz0red since about 30 seconds after they were first switched on.

    And that's before we even consider the mail servers installed in every school in the country, which are wide-open mail relays out of the box. Aaarrrggghhh!

    South Korea would be paradise to be in - fat connection and nobody giving a filesystem check what you're doing with it - but the consequences for the rest of the world are becoming a nightmare.

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  41. Gmail has started to do something similar by fizbin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gmail now will mark suspicious email with a banner that says something to the effect of "This email does not appear to be from who it claims. Learn More...", with a link to information about phishing scams.

  42. This your smart enough? by seanvaandering · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, if you think you are, then why not see if your prone to phishing scams, or if it's a legitimate e-mail offer! Take the Mail Phishing Test

    Enjoy! ;)

  43. Free us from HTML messages by xethair · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anyone else think that the only real problem here is HTML email? It's good for nothing, wastes resources, and enables pretty much every kind of annoying spam, hidden redirect, tracking bug--it just keeps coming. Why do we have to build all these widgets to help users see that URLs aren't what they say they are, and such? Do we really want to wait for the spammers to start building javascript messages that alter the url after/when clicking, or whatever next becomes really annoying to people?

    Isn't this enough of a problem yet to get the asinine companies that forced HTML down our throats (I'm looking at you AOL, MS, etc) to reconsider? Make the common clients block/ignore the HTML by default and *never* send HTML messages, instead of the current tactic of trying to trick or force users to send as HTML (maybe with an additional text version, if we're lucky), to just drown out the people asking for plain text.

    Maybe I'm just bitter. It's always so difficult to watch stupid obvious mistakes blossom so thoroughly predictably. At least I can filter most all the spam by dumping HTML messages.

    1. Re:Free us from HTML messages by xethair · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Phishing attempts would be using plain text and referencing URLs that mimick and look MUCH like the URLs coming from citibank and ebay scams.

      No, they would use plain text including URLs which might look like--but are obviously NOT--URLs coming from the target company. Think about it--if you send a message asking citibank customers to come to www.citybank.com, you have not only given yourself away, but you have given a huge target for citibank to nail. You don't really think people will *click* on a numeric address when they only deal with their bank as citi.com? (And you do realize we could click on links way before HTML infected messaging, right? URLs are pretty obvious bits of text.)

      It's not even just that the HTML makes hiding and redirection too easy. The explicit and concrete nature of the plain text raises awareness. Of course there would still be phishing, but without the "CLICK HERE," it would be trapped at the comical Nigerian-scam level.

  44. Phish your own users by Wanker · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I use phishing techniques to get 419 scammers to give me their email password so i can shut them down


    I wonder if anyone has thought about using a similar method to audit their own user base for inexperienced users who might fall for E-mail scams. I.e. send a message from a bogus domain registerred to "CompanyX Email Audits" requesting private data. Anyone who responds gets their account suspended until properly re-verified and a followup E-mail about how to avoid phishing attacks. :)

    It might upset a few customers, but my guess is those customers might be a security liability that the company could live without...
  45. So what? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Informative

    You do the intelligent (or lazy) thing: Go to their site and log in normally. If they want your attention, it'll prompt you. That's what I do if I get one that is legit. I just go log in as normal. If it's really legit, the site will then prompt me for what it wants. If not, no problem.

  46. Schwab contributes to Phishing by DarrinWest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I very recently complained to Schwab IT about their online statement delivery. It comes in an email, contains an html doc that contains a java app that directly asks for my account and password info. I wrote them a letter saying how bad an idea that was, and that it encourages less sophisticated users to trust the sender too much.

    Their response indicated they didn't even understand what I was talking about. Should I have called it "Phishing"? I doubt it would have helped. How can a customer educate these people, and why should I have to? (Maybe someone in their IT dept reads slashdot :)

    Here is my letter:

    To Director of Technology,

    I am disappointed in the security offered by the transaction statement I receive each month. I am required to save an html file, which when opened presents me with an account/pin dialog.
    - I have no way of knowing where that information is going to be sent.
    - I cannot verify the originator of *any* email. How can I be sure that *this* email is definitely from schwab.com? (one b or two?) If the email is spoofed, the contents of the html document are suspect, putting my password etc at risk.
    - Since this arrived by email, I did not initiate the connection. It is generally a bad practice to give out personal information when one did not initiate the transaction (even in a phone call).
    - The process required by your system encourages less sophisticated users to develop poor security habits, such as responding to emails (of unknowable origins) with personal information.
    - I would feel *much* more secure if I initiated an https connection to a web address that *I* know is legitimate. It is significantly less likely an https connection mechanism would be exploited than a simple email message.

    Until something changes about this process, I have no alternative but to consider these emails SPAM, and am in fact getting no benefit out of receiving them.

    And their response...

    I appreciate your concerns regarding your request of electronic statements. In regards to your concerns, PostX technology sends an "HTML envelope" that contains the encrypted payload. This "HTML envelope" opens to present the user with a prompt for the users password. Once the password is entered the local javascript or java applet accepts the user password and decrypts
    the payload.

    Documents sent through the PostX platform are encrypted with highly secure, industry standard algorithms. Symmetric encryption defaults to ARC4 but AES encryption algorithm is available as well. End to end encryption between users or firms assures the highest levels of confidentiality for critical, sensitive or personal data on public networks. The password is hashed with 160 bit encryption (SHA1) with a large random number. This hash is then used along with the chosen encryption algorithm to encrypt the payload. The encryption is very secure. The most venerable part of the process is the password itself.

    If you still have further concerns regarding the security of the contents that you have chosen to have delivered via email, then you may want to elect to cancel this request. You may do so by following these simple steps: ...blah blah...

    Sincerely, ...blah...

    1. Re:Schwab contributes to Phishing by Convergence · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The solution to this is a little white lie. When you recieve those messages, report them to Schwab that you believe that they are fraudulent and attempting to obtain your account details.

      When they reply saying that 'these are legitimate emails', ask them how you are supposed to tell that they're legitimate. If they give a good answer, your problem is solved. If they are unable to give a good answer, hopefully they'll realize the point that you're trying to make.

      Lather rinse and repeat on any other vendor that sends emails that can be easily mistaken for phishing.

  47. Re: I would agree with you... but.. by harrkev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps the best way to handle these is to get even.

    Write a script which will go to the size and fill in bogus name/account/credit card info. Let's slashdot the phishers!

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  48. information = capital by wikinerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is interesting how personal information became a form of capital in the modern age, and people want to have it.

    In the past, when we were paying with actual money in person and banks were not widespread, someone who knew our personal info could not hurt us much.

    When banks were invented and remote transfer of money became a reality, and especially after the introduction of credit cards, a person knowing your signature and personal details can destroy you.

    And now some people are trying to create a personal criminal empire by collecting information and especially personal information.

    In that sense personal info has value and people want to have it, so it's a form of capital.

    Perhaps this (the malicious collection of information) is the negative side of the transformation of the economy into a knowledge/information-driven model.

    It is sure that a solution must be found, otherwise people who have access to vast amounts of personal info and also have malicious intends, might endanger the modern economy.

    Technological solutions can help, but I think the answer should be a cultural solution and especially education. i.e. netsurfers should be trained to not give away any personal information to anyone if they don't think about it very carefully. Giving away personal info in today's Internet is very much like giving away your money.

  49. Re:I get countless dozens of these every week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    fat connection and nobody giving a filesystem check what you're doing with it

    Is anyone else out there disturbed that /.'ers have moved to spelling out fsck instead of just writing fuck?

  50. Simple Guideline for Grandma by Boss+Sauce · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Folks who didn't grow up with computers and databases everywhere have learned *correctly* NOT to ignore notices from financial institutions-- people work hard for their $$$ and credit rating and reply promptly to notices because systems have always broken down.

    The lesson to learn is that when an account is online, you have to KEEP YOUR OWN LINKS. That way, (1) if you don't have an account with an institution, ignore the mail, or (2) if you do, use the front door you've used before.

    This guideline is all anybody needs to protect themselves from these scams.

  51. Identity Theft by Stiletto · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Identity theft is only a problem because we attach so much weight and importance to our individual histories. If we would stop screwing people over for life after things like bankrupcy, or when they fall ill, there wouldn't be a need to get other people's "clean" identities.

    As someone who can't even get health insurance because of some mysterious "red flag" in my past, I can see why someone could get desperate enough to try to become someone else! I can't even imagine a scenario where I couldnlt open a checking account because I made a few mistakes as a young adult.

    Identity theft won't stop until this "you are your credit score" mentality goes away!

  52. a beginnings of a solution? by Phil246 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why dont banks just set up 'monitored' accounts and put a little bit of money in it, then follow the trail
    Phisher thinks theyve caught someone out, logs in and transfers money away ( im guessing to a relay account unless they`re REAL stupid ) , which relays on and on until it eventually gets somewhere the phisher can do something with
    the money ( or goods they might buy with it online ) have got go to somewhere, right? :)

  53. Paypal SUCKS by Jesus+IS+the+Devil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just got scammed out of a thousand dollars from a crook who used a stolen "verified" Paypal account to pay me. When I saw the payment to be legit I let the guy pick up the merchandize from my house.

    A few hours later the item was charged back by Paypal saying it was unauthroized.

    Have a question for you guys. What are my chances to find Paypal liable for the loss if I can't find this crook?

    Here's my take:

    One is that Paypal sees themselves as an escrow service. If such is the case they have the right to intervene and take back funds from transactions that are deemed illegitimate. However if so, then they also have an obligation to ensure that account charges are in fact legit. The only reason I accepted the payment was that it was from a "verified paypal user". Therefore Paypal is liable.

    The other argument would be that Paypal isn't an escrow service, but only a payment transfer service. If this is the case, once the money is in my account it belongs to me (like a cash exchange). They have no right to take it out of my account and put it back.

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    1. Re:Paypal SUCKS by eBayDoug · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't waste your time. The last time I had a pickup paid by Paypal over $1000, I took a picture of the customer happily holding his item, next to his car with his license plate in view. If he charged back, at least I would be able to find the guy, as paypal still would do nothing for me with this type of delivery confirmation.

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  54. Bandwith is not that expensive anymore... by Thunderstruck · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... so can we actually type out "legitimate" instead of using "legit?" I mean, I realize we all miss the days of "I checked it out and its legit, Microsoft will send you a zillion dollars if you forward this email to 10 people..."

    If we don't use the word legit, it will serve as a spam flag.

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  55. Stop Blaming The Victims by esme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see a lot of people blaming stupid people for this. And stupidity, naivete, etc. are definitely part of it.

    But the fact is, some of the phishing emails look really good. I got one last week that was identical to a legit Citibank email, except that it went to http://citibankgroup.biz instead of https://citibank.com. Given all the weird URLs and bulk mailing companies banks use (and the fact that a lot of normal users view URLs to be voodoo), it not surprising to me at all that people fall for this stuff.

    In the end, this is just a special case of spam. Verifying the sender using SPF or any of the other systems being adopted right now, will solve this problem. And disabling HTML email (among the worst design decisions ever made, IMHO), would also help a lot.

    -Esme

  56. Education is the key by jasoncc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm going to state the obvious because I'm bored at work.... As the "People in the Know", it is our responsibility to inform our grandmothers, friends, co-workers, etc. of all the pitfalls of the online world. For each person close to us that we can warn, that's one more person who will learn the "easy" way. The rest will have to learn the "hard" way by getting burned. Eventually everyone will learn. Unfortunately, there will always be new and more creative scams. "Fool me once - shame on you! Fool me twice - shame on me!"

  57. That is useful for sure, HOWEVER... by WebCowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...I just hope the font people have set in the status bar is legible enough to catch the trickier ones. Look at these three characters: "I" "l" "1". In some fonts they are identical (uppercase i, lowercase L and the number one).

    Paypal was one of the earliest business victims of phishing scams, which were successful becasue of the unfortunate last character in the name. The scammers registered paypai.com (shown in the url as paypaI.com) and paypa1.com (number one at the end) and set up convincing, secure sites to scam people.

    I applaud the Mozilla people for giving users the tools to help spot scams, but people still have to use their heads.

  58. Don't let your guard down! by mixy1plik · · Score: 4, Insightful
    On Friday, I received an email from "eBay" that my account was being suspended. This came just after:

    - I posted an item for sale
    - I realized I owed eBay about $40 in back listing fees

    It was just before I was going to get into bed, and I skimmed over the message as I usually do before deleting it. My usual thinking: "Sure", I thought, "I'll get back to it tomorrow and pay them." This time around, I clicked the link and got the "standard" eBay login screen. Being tired and lazy, at this point I didn't even glance at the URL. I entered my login and password for eBay, and as it was redirecting I glanced at the address bar, and in horror I saw "cgi2.eb4y.com" or something munged like that.

    In a panic, I immediately changed my eBay password, and all is once again well on my happy little computing planet. That being said, had I not caught that and gone straight to bed, who knows what I would've woken up to. The moral of the story is that you really have to be on your toes. The circumstances surrounding this dodged-bullet really were a perfect setup for me: owed eBay money, just posted a new item for sale that day, fatigue...

    Common sense is the key!

  59. E-mail scam plays on US elections -BBC by scupper · · Score: 2, Informative

    E-mail scam plays on US elections
    By Alfred Hermida
    Published: 2004/10/05 08:50:43 GMT
    BBC News Online technology editor

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/technology/3 714944.stm

    People are being warned about a scam e-mail which uses the US presidential poll to con them out of their money.

    A junk e-mail invites people to dial a premium rate number to express their support for President George W Bush or rival John Kerry.

    E-mail filtering firm BlackSpider estimates that almost a quarter of a million are being sent out every day.

    In the past, net fraudsters have tried to use the 9/11 attacks and the tragedy in Beslan to get money.

    900 number

    At first glance, the presidential election message appears to be legitimate, saying it was sent from a Lycos.com address.

    But BlackSpider Technologies said it had traced some of the e-mails to a server in the Czech Republic.

    No doubt we will be seeing some messages like this in the next general election in the UK John Cheney, BlackSpider Technologies The mail reads: "Fellow Citizen: The extremely jubilant crowds in Baghdad appeared to vindicate President George Bush's belief that the military action in Iraq was the right move.

    "But many questions still remain over the lack of hard evidence of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. With these tough times before us, let us know."

    It goes on to ask readers if they support President Bush, prompting them to call a 900 premium rate number.

    It says votes will be sent to the Bush and Kerry campaigns.

    In an effort to convince people it is a genuine message, the e-mail says who commissioned the poll.

    The mail adds that the calls will cost $1.99, saying this is "a little price to pay for a better democracy".

    "This is a relatively new scam," said BlackSpider CEO, John Cheney.

    "The question is, are they breaking the law? In the UK they are, in the US they are not."

    Sending unsolicited messages to personal e-mail is barred in the UK. But in the US, people have to opt out of receiving these sorts of messages.

    Hotbed of scams

    BlackSpider estimates that 240,000 of the presidential scam e-mails are being sent out worldwide a day.

    The lack of any spelling mistakes and its resemblance to a genuine message means that it could slip through the spam filtering of home users.

    This latest scam reflects how the nature of spam is changing.

    In the past, spam was dominated by pornography. These days spam is a hotbed of financial scams, as well as a black market for fake pharmaceuticals and software.

    E-mail scams known as phishing have tried to trick customers into giving away confidential bank details.

    Other scams known as 419 try to part people from their cash by telling them they in line for millions from a deposed African leader.

    The US presidential mail is just the latest trick used by spammers to part the unwary from their money.

    "No doubt we will be seeing some messages like this in the next general election in the UK," said Mr Cheney.

  60. The right advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are no quick ways to explain to an 'average joe' how to check an email for legitimacy. The only hard and fast rule should be:

    Do not EVER enter personal financial or identification information on a website you reach by using a 'link' in an email.

    Instead open a new instance/tab/window of your webbrowser (It also helps to avoid using the browser most well known for its vulnerabilities, cough), and hand enter the original known address for the site belonging to the organization that you beleive is contacting you. If you dont *KNOW* the correct address, call them and *ASK*. If they need information from you, they will confirm the requirement there.

    If you are not 100% certain of both the legitimacy of the request and your ability to tell, *CALL* the organization (IGNORE any suggestions given in the email not to call) and *ask* them if it is legitimate. (*NOT* using a phone number given in the email, use one you obtained when you established the relationship with the organization, or one you looked up yourself from a phonebook or directory assistance line)

    Obviously, if you dont *HAVE* an existing online relationship with the bank/company/etc that the email comes from, then assuming it *IS* a fraud.

  61. Re:PostX is Phish-friendly? by cipher+chort · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually there are several encrypted messaging companies that use this model as at least one of their options. There are two main reasons why this "push" method is used:

    1.) Because the user can access their statements even if they're not on-line (although the contents stay encrypted on their hard disk).

    2.) Because the financial institution chooses when they want to use their bandwidth to send the messages and doesn't receive random spikes that they would get if the user was "pulled" back to the site to view the content.

    Of the two, obviously #1 is the overwhelming reason.

    Several encrypted messaging providers also use a method that was patented by my employer (Tumbleweed Communications) that simply sends a notification message that allows the user to "pull" the data down from a secured webserver over an SSL connection. The user enters their credentials to the webserver (which can use a Single Sign-On system, or a variety of other methods) and at that point they may veiw the message and it's contents.

    The draw-back of this method is that the user must be connected to view the information. If they download it to their desktop, it's not encrypted at rest on their machine. it also forces the provider to use more bandwidth and servers, but that's fairly trivial compared to other factors.

    The argument essentially boils down to convenience vs. security, and in the real world convenience wins every time end-users are involved. Financial institutions want to provide services that are easy to access and give their users the relevant account information in readily usable formats. Statements can be delivered electronically more cheaply than in paper via the mail, and most times customers actually prefer it.

    The other aspect which many people don't consider is that it's also vary possible for rogue postal employees to hijack data in transit, or for someone to simply steal it from your mail box before you pick up your mail. Given that, electronic delivery is actually a security improvement over the traditional paper statement delivery.

    Also, it's worth noting that this entire method of encrypted delivery was invented because encrypted e-mail had such a poor adoption rate. Client support for S/MIME is excellent, but no one knows how to use it and organizations don't want to maintain the PKI that it takes to "do it right". Support for OpenPGP is much less ubiquitous and it's just as confusing to users. Add to that the fact that many users have a webmail account as their primary point of contact (Hotmail, Yahoo!, Gmail, etc) and none of those will support S/MIME or OpenPGP encryption (at least, not to my knowledge). You need a way to communicate with those folks.

    Medium-strength security that is easy-to-use is a whole lot better than near bullet-proof security that only a few percent of the population will tolerate learning and using.

    --
    Someone is WRONG on the Internet!
  62. Re:Maybe this is a good sign by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Informative

    Usually, phishing also involves cracking a server somewhere. I'm in the email security business, so I feel almost as close as family to hundreds of wealth but desperate Nigerians (who don't get to deliver much mail on the networks I protect) and loads of phishers (who don't get to deliver much more mail than the Nigerians).

    In almost all cases, the link in the phishing mail leads to a compromised host. Phishers (most of them, anyway) aren't dumb enough to put the phishing site on a host that's actually theirs. Usually, it's all too obvious that the rightful admin of the host in question is utterly clueless that he/she has been owned.

    You're dead right about the ROI, though. Stealing usable financial data off of a server is a lot harder than phishing. People report successfully filtered phishing mails to me as false positives every single day, and I always wonder if they sent it in before or after they gave away all of their financial info.