AMD's Personal Internet Communicator

mstefanus writes "SFGate.com has a story about AMD's 50x15 Personal Internet Communicator (PIC). It is basically a PC with an AMD Geode GX500 366MHz processor, 10GB hard drive and 128MB Memory; running some form of Windows CE. The device is intended as a cheap internet PC for the rest of the world population. AMDBoard has some pictures and specifications. The question is, will it run emm... FreeBSD?"

Comments

A modest proposal

[erick99]

I wonder if for $349, a hundred dollars more, they could produce a similar package for here in the US with a nic instead of a modem along with some sort of optical drive. I think they would sell like crazy. It would come with some newbie-friendly flavor of Linux and the user could always change that if they want, but why add a lot of cost upfront for an operating system. There are a lot of people in the US that will not be able to buy a computer unless they can get the price down to something like $350 or so. If this $249 machine can be profitable, then I think this $349 machine could be profitable as well and we'd be helping people here, as well as abroad. Or, am I just completely missing something?

Re:A modest proposal

[Camulus]

I know this is most likely bait, but the issue isn't that it would cost the company less. That is easy to figure out. It is that it would cost the consumer more if they wanted to run windows if it wasn't preloaded.

Re:A modest proposal

[pilgrim23]

This is all well and good but.... It will never fly. Know why? For a decade America has been upgrading. That is, we have all traded in our 486 for a Pentium 65, for a Pentium 166, for a Pentium 2, 3 AMD, Cirix, and on and on. That original 486 running Win 3.1 with a 14.4 or 33.6 modem running Trumpet Winsock (rememebr that?) can get ont he Internet. And where did all that junk go? To the Third World by the dumptruck load!
A even more modest Pentium 300ish or a AMD K6-2 of about that speed on a socket 7 motherboard with 90-256mb memory a 2-6gb drive a 14" VGA.. load a bootleg 98SE and: you are in business! Cost? no 250 bucks, rather more like 20. Folks in Botswana would rather spend the $230 savings on FOOD! Poor folks do not buy new. Regardless of focus groups, break out sessions, and marketing strategies. I would strongly suggest to the good people who come up with these hair brained ideas to do their research somewhere that does not selll Late`. for example: Check the price at Goodwill.

Re:A modest proposal

[Anonymous Coward]

Doesn't do Thurga a crapload of good that he can buy a broken down 7 year old computer for $20 here in the US, by the time he ships it to Botswana it will cost him $350. Then he needs the mad skillz to get a pirate OS and install it himself. Just so it can fail 3 months later from bouncing around a container ship after churning through a good chunk of the localy available electricity. Excellent plan, matey!

Now, when the Botswana educational system and the Botswana community center want to provide a way to communicate wit the outside world and research why they crops keep failing or what to do about that nasty lump growing on Jr's neck or maybe let somebody know the next tribe over used their $250 to by a couple used AK-47's so they could take everybody else's food, they have a means. The reason why the Western world has advanced farther in the last 20 years than it did from the first 5,000 years of man is communication. Spoken words to written words to printed books to telegraphs to telephones to radio to tv to computers to the internet. Buy 100 lbs of rice your village eats for 6 months, sell "native talismans" on eBay for 6 months and buy the first Botswana McDonalds franchise.

Re:A modest proposal

[BrianH]

Yes, but you don't even need Internet access to make this thing useful. What use would they have for a computer without Internet? We tend to be spoiled for space in our world of MP3's, video files, and multigigabyte games, but we cannot forget that a gigabyte is a LOT of data. A 20 gigabyte hard drive can hold as much text as an ENTIRE LIBRARY.

You have to look at these types of products in the context of how their going to be used. Nobody living in a shack in Botswana is going to be surfing EBay on this, and a Ghanian tribesman isn't going to give a flying rock about how it runs Half Life 2. What they're going to care about is the fact that they can add an entire library to their remote village for $249 thats compact enough to be easily moved when the river rises and they have to evacuate on foot every spring, thats integrated and durable enough so that they won't have to worry about shaking the PCI cards loose if they set it down too hard, and that will draw little enough power to run happily on their villages 20 watt in-stream hydro generator or 15 watt solar panel without frying itself.

The world is a lot bigger than the west people, and this type of hardware is badly needed in many parts of the world. Yes, you can probably piece one together using cheap Internet sourced parts for a lower cost, but will it have the durability, the low power consumption, and the ease of transport that this thing offers? Can you honestly tell me that Bahooba the tribal elder, who has probably never even held a phillips screwdriver in his entire life, would be better off building his own PC? These people need something braindead simple...plug in the wire, turn it on, and use it. When you live in an area where the nearest computer tech is 100 miles away on foot, you don't have the luxury of buying untested hardware configurations and calling for support when you run into a problem.

Re:A modest proposal

[petsounds]

I'm going to assume that your reply was sarcastic in intent and tone. So I will offer a couple of examples as counterpoints to a belief that the Bush administration's motives are non-imperial in nature:

1. From a NYT article: "The [Bush] aide said that guys like me [the writer] were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''"

2. Now if you believe that the above quote is just heresay and didn't come from the horse or asses' mouth, I would direct you to browse the pages of The Project For a New American Century: I would in particular direct you to this page, which is their statement of principles, and which lists among the signees such members of the Bush administration as Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Donald Rumsfeld. In fact, 10 of the 18 signatories of the PNAC doctrine have positions in the Bush administration.

Now whether you believe an American global empire is a good thing or not is up to your particular political compass, but it is hard to refute the evidence that the neo-cons and superhawks in the Bush administration are carrying out their plans to expand America's reach for political and economic gain, and for what they believe is the safety and prosperity of America as a whole. They want an empire.

Didn't this already fail once...

[tha_mink]

Didn't the consumer market decide that it didn't want this type of thing before? What was that thing that Be INC made again? (besides failure)

Re:Didn't this already fail once...

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

Yes exactly. Back in 98/99, the big hype in embedded computing circles was things called "set-top boxes" (read things like WebTV boxes). Everybody absolutely *had* to get into doing set-top boxes, despite the astoundingly dismal sales volumes. That trend has come and gone thank goodness.

So, while this thing is technically better (it uses a computer screen, not a TV), it is definitely more expensive (the usually accepted price point for set-top boxes is $100), and it is proven the public doesn't give a flying fuck about them. So the question is, what is it those guys are hoping to achieve here?

Re:Didn't this already fail once...

[duck_oil]

Be made BeBoxes. I never thought of them as el cheapo small boxxen like this AMD box. They used dual PPC chips in the later versions and dual CPUs from AT&T in the first models. Here's a /. article about Be.

The only thing missing is...

[spudthepotatofreak]

Uhm... A nic card, please? Nobody really uses that dial-up thing anymore do they? :P

Re:The only thing missing is...

[j1m 5n0w]

If I was buying it, I'd rather have a nic, but the indended market is less industrialized countries, where broadband probably isn't widely available. In that context, a modem makes sense. Hopefully, it'll have a free pci slot or something.

-jim

Re:The only thing missing is...

[ePhil_One]

but the indended market is less industrialized countries

I suspect this may be a case of not knowing your mrkets. In less industrialized markets, copper phone lines are rare. Cellular phones, WiFi, and other new technologies will be the source of connectivity.

No,

[Scythr0x0rs]

The question is, will it run emm... FreeBSD?
It'll run FreeBSD. The question is,
will it run windows?

Re:No,

[gmaestro]

I't may eventually run FreeBSD, but I think the NetBSD folks have already have a beta out.

Perfect

[Pan T. Hose]

This is a perfect killer-application for Gmail. Now Google should concentrate on persistent documents (a la Office) productivity suit, and no one will ever need a desktop PC with a hard drive. Is this how the future will look like?

Um... No.

[Jeff DeMaagd]

Not in my opinion.

I think that is still too expensive of a computer to get into the hands of those that don't have one. A second hand 1GHz computer would probably be a lot cheaper and more suitable for running modern browsers. At least this is pretty power efficient, but even Via probably has more powerful CPUs that are sufficiently low power.

Did you read the article?

[BoomerSooner]

It will cost $185 just for the computer, and $249 for both the computer and a 15-inch monitor.

Why did I ask?

Re:First Post?

[LittleGuernica]

Does it run solitaire?, because I know some people who would be satisfied with that, they don't need an AMD 64

excellent!

[Coneasfast]

just what i was looking for. i need something for http/ftp/print/etc server. and also something for a freebsd firewall, a full computer would be too much.

good job AMD (if it runs FreeBSD)!

Re:excellent!

[tmasssey]

Why in the world would you not want to use a Mini ITX? Here is a 533MHz Eden CPU (no fan), 128MB RAM, 80GB hard drive, CD-ROM drive and a PCI slot for $342 (or less than $300 without the CD-ROM).

Twice the speed, 8 times the storage, more expandable and cheaper? What's the appeal of the AMD device?

wow, slick case

[donscarletti]

It's incredible that a gadget that is designed to be cheap, utilitarian and mass produced still looks better than any custom riced up case mods I have ever seen before.

Kinda sad really.

Why ship it with WinCE?

[PornMaster]

If it's got a 10GB HD, why's it using WinCE? performance on a slow CPU? How have the WinCE apps done security-wise vs. Win32 apps for "regular" Windows?

Re:Why ship it with WinCE?

[dotcher]

PocketPC is built on CE as a base - CE is a kernel and some services, and includes things like a shell and a command line interpreter, both based on desktop Windows.

PocketPC replaces the shell, adds some apps, and has the configuration tweaked for the specific device it's on. The smartphone variant is similiar.

xbox?

[duranaki]

Seems like you could just hack an xbox to get better performance for cheaper. And already as NIC card and optical drive. Someone just needs to start selling hacked xbox to third world countries. The best part is the M$ subsidizes their cost, so it really would be charity. :)

Cheaper

[Colonel Panic]

If they want it even cheaper they should dump Windows in favor of Linux (or as the OP suggested, FreeBSD)...
It should be more reliable too.

An immodest proposal

[shis-ka-bob]

I wonder if they could strip it down and get rid of the hard drive and use a bootable Ethernet card. If you are on a lan with a NFS server running dhcpd, rarpd and tftpd, you can have the computer boot as a diskless workstation. Convince your ISP to run these services and privide users with a home directory. That would be a sweet way to provide a zero maintenance PC to anyone. Diskless FreeBSD is discussed at http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/09/09/diskles s_server.html

Re:An immodest proposal

[BoomerSooner]

The Link (spaces excluded)

Re:Of course it runs...

[grm_wnr]

Of course it will run any BSD or Linux

Everything does, sooner or later. It is INEVITABLE.

USB nic!

[Visaris]

It has several USB ports. Just plug in a USB nic and 20$ later you have 100Base-T.

Modem vs. NIC

[Ping-Wu]

It just appears to be that you can easily add an NIC card via its USB port, but not modem. Looks like this is an ingenius, well-thought-of design. I want one if it runs a strip down version of Fedora.

Budget... yeah right

[rackhamh]

$249 is cheap here, but does it qualify as a "budget" machine in the target markets (India, Russia, China, Mexico and Brazil)? According to this site, the average income in Brazil's largest metropolitan areas is less than $300 a month!

Re:Budget... yeah right

[rewt66]

The personal computer revolution in the US had a lot of computers that cost one month's average income (or more), back in the 1980s. We still bought an awful lot of them, and the computer revolution took off here.

The computer doesn't have to be "budget" in the sense of "find that much money in the couch cushions". But if the average person can manage to get their hands on one if they try reasonably hard, that's a big deal.

Re:Budget... yeah right

[poot_rootbeer]

According to this site, the average income in Brazil's largest metropolitan areas is less than $300 a month!

I spent nearly a month's net pay on the last home computer I bought myself. Granted, it wasn't a low-cost trailing-edge special, but it wasn't a bleeding-edge riced-out xtreme gaming machine either; just a name-brand home PC model with a more-powerful-than-average configuration.

Expecting a third-world resident to expend a month's pay on an Internet-ready computer (that would more than likely become a resource for their entire community) doesn't seem TOO far-fetched to me.

Re:Budget... yeah right

[rackhamh]

I feel compelled to point out that one month's income in the US in the 1980s was still above poverty level, and left most people room to buy cars, music, cable TV, etc.

Let's not forget that we're talking about the 3rd world here. They worry about food, water and medication, not what they're getting for Christmas.

The point being that one month's rent for us in the 1980s was still a lower price point, because we had more disposable income.

Who ordered this?

[frovingslosh]

For $249 it's not partiularly inexpensive, fast or useful. Although it might be had to find parts like a hard drive of only 10 gig any more (at least for any manufacturing project where you want to make a number of the product over a year or more of time and have a viable supply of identical parts for the run), I certainly can put together a more capable PC for $249 with off the shelf parts. I expect third world users who look to spend a month or more of income on a PC are more likely to want to buy as much computer as they can for their money rather than care much that it comes in a small plastic box (and runs slow, has limited storage, and includes an OS that the user paid something for but will have to ditch).

That's not a PC...

[fbg111]

It's Xbox Next, in disguise.

I know we're supposed to hate MS here, but...

[aardwolf204]

Having the system loaded with a version of Windows CE may actually be a good thing. Not better than having a version of embedded linux, but better then XP. So far the only worm/virus/trojan I know of is a proof of concept trojan that was emailed to an AntiVirus vendor for Pocket PC, and it didn't actually do anything.

With the amount of spyware and other nasties out there preying on naive internet users it would be in everyone's best interest to keep these machines on an embedded platform. First a trojan/virus/worm would need to be created to take advantage of this platform which is new territory to the evil doers. Second, the user base is small and the machines are not very powerful so the advantage to writing a nasty for this platform are small. And third, even if the PC were to be infected it could be cleaned by a simple hard reset. If I ever were to totally hose my Pocket PC (and I'm not sure how I could do that) I could always hard reset the device and copy my data back from CF backup. Sure, you could do the same with linux setup with partition that contains an image that would overwrite the OS upon each boot but this is still a step in the right direction.

I'm not saying I would want one of these things, unless they scaled them down and sold them cheaper in which case they could make nice low cost cam/file/web/router/vpn/etc/servers, but I think I'll stick with VIA on that for now.

This would be great for my grandparents, especially if you could remotely administer them.

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My Prediction: It Won't Fly

[RAMMS EIN]

I don't think this kyte is going to fly. Here's why:

$ 185 is a lot of money. It's not worth it for many people. Especially if you can buy a 2200+ powered PC with modem and NIC, a larger hard drive, a standard form factor case and motherboard, etc. etc. for around the same price (I can buy them for 199 euros).

So, poor people won't spend their money on it, and slightly richer people will get a better deal at a slightly higher price. And you can get a pretty decent PDA for less.

AMD is really onto something here

[ShatteredDream]

At $185, even I as a student can afford to buy one of these just to play around with it. If AMD is smart, they will get a NIC for one of these and offer people the ability to run Linux on it. Think about that, Linux on one of these would make for a really good small business system. It's small, cheap and runs a free, but adequate OS. At $185 a unit, the thing could be replaced every 6 months by a business if need be.

But what AMD could really do to kick Microsoft's ass for not supporting the Athlon64 better would be to do three things with this. Offer for $200 a version of this that has: a NIC instead of a modem, a firewire port for an optical media drive and write a special distribution of linux that makes it easy for game designers to turn this into a console system. Imagine John Carmack being able to offer a boot CD with each new copy of Doom 3 that runs on one of these, without having to rewrite any code because the SDK for this box uses all the Linux tools he uses.

Just what Steve Ballmer was looking for!

[ARRRLovin]

In future news, Steve Ballmer eats crow after finding out the price of hardware has no effect on the piracy of MS software.

I can already see the headlines:

[accelleron]

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TV out

[maddh]

if they wanted to reach a poorer population they should have a regular TV coax output along side the VGA.

Re:TV out

[owlstead]

Currently most software is pixel oriented (thus not really scalable). You would not want to have a crappy screen with that. A tuner module would be nice, but you can get those for USB if the need arises. I got a headache even using my MSX computer of old for too long at the time. A TV screen would mess up productivity suites (office) and internet browsing big time. And wasn't that what the computer was for?

Already available?

[Stephen Samuel]

My neighbourhood computer store sells pretty much such a machine (note that prices are in Canadian Dollars -> ~ $.80US/$1.00CAD). An AMD 2700 with 256MB ram, 40GB drive and CDROM for $289CAD -> $230US.It has an onboard 10/100 ethernet rather than a modem. Add Linux and a used monitor, and you're Rocking.

I presume that you could find something similar in the US.

Re:Already available?

[burns210]

Which one will fit in your pocket or small bag, for use when you need a server or portable desktop on the go?

Technical thoughts...

[nweaver]

I've always thought that the super-cub of computers is what would sell in the 3rd world.

However, a couple of limitations I think may hurt this overall:

A: No ethernet. Ethernet has become this general purpose network glue, and there are a lot of places (eg, the Indian networks being installed) where the village will end up having ethernet locally and then some wireless bridge to the outside world. Ethernet may very well become more preferable to POTS in these installations.

B: Windows based. Even CE means Microsoft is getting its Windows Tax. Linux or BSD don't have such problems. And CE, unlike the main windows, doesn't have a good app selection for more heavyweight tasks.

Put it in a laptop form factor

[tji]

I've been looking for a cheap web terminal type device for my parents. I've set them up with a good PC, but I think they would like (and actually use) a laptop. But, laptops are overkill both in terms of price and functionality.

I got a Compaq Aero 8000 a few years ago. It seemed to be the perfect fit.. laptop form factor, flash based - instant on, good sized LCD display and keyboard, built-in PCMCIA and CompactFlash slots.. But, the Windows CE software sucked badly enough to make the device painful to use.

The same form factor - maybe upping the resolution to 1024x768, with a decently responsive OS, and a good WWW browser, would be all the laptop most people would need. If it ran an open OS, like Linux, there would be plenty of software available for it (even if the manufacturer abandoned it, like Compaq did with the Aero 8000, leaving users with an extremely outdated version of IE for a browser).

Acronym Madness

[Anonymous Coward]

PIC has been used. MANY times. In many fields, sometimes multiple times within one field. For instance:
PIC = Programmable Integrated Circuit (ie. Microchip PIC).
PIC = Programmable Interrupt Controller.
PIC = Position Independant Code. ... I'm always running into new Acroynms using PIC, I just never btoher to remember them. It's silly.

Been there, done that

[Swamii]

Larry Ellison's New Internet Computer. Complete failure. Need we say more?

Engineering without marketing

[Usagi_yo]

This is what happens when the Engineering process doesn't include the markteting process.

Something neat, with some cool features but alas, relativly useless -- not to mention a bit dated.

cast off pc's and 14" monitors

[Anonymous Coward]

I can't understand why, If there is a demand for this kind of stuff, they don't ship a standard container of old cast off P-II and 14" monitors over to the third world and have the cheap labor over there piece the pc's togeter?

I'm writing this on a $60 P-II w/ 128M, a free, cast-off 17" monitor, and a (loss-leader) $100 250 g hard drive, running Debian installed Knoppix.

I think I paid too much for the P-II

(plus a $70 a month DSL line)

There is free junk everywhere

This has no market

[Tony Hoyle]

It's aimed at 'developing' markets? What happened to the days when companies actually did some market research before releasing a product?

1. $249 is *not* cheap in the developing world - in fact it can easily be more than a months salary (in some countries several months - I knew a guy who worked in Bosnia for a time... he used his salary to pay 8 people to do his work for him and still had enough left over for a nice house).
2. Dialup? Most of these countries are hugely into mobile technology now, where the setup cost is low (no land lines to dig). Where connectivity does exist it is through local cyber-cafe's - the home PC just isn't as common, or required when you have better things to do, like keeping food on the table.
3. Guess what happens to the old PCs you think are 'slow'? A lot of them are happily chugging away running Win95 or Win3.1 (linux is also becoming more popular, but is still a minority) in developing countries, for a few dollars a pop or even free.

WinCE is cheap ($$$)

[WoTG]

I highly doubt that this has anything to do with security. It's all about price, and MS making sure that just in case these little things take off, Linux won't on them.

The cheapest WinXP for OEM's like Dell is probably ~$50 (hand waving). A friend of mine who develops POS software once mentioned that they were looking at WinCE licenses. They were only a few bucks per device. Yes, OSS would be "cheaper", but WinCE isn't particularly expensive.

As far as "slow", these newer Geode processors now run on the good ol'Athlon core (I think). For 'net and office apps, 366MHz is plenty.

Personally, I'd find a way to drop the hard drive off the parts list - that's probably the most expensive and failure prone part of this thing. You could probably squeeze WinCE plus a Works suite into 256MB flash. Use small thumb drives for work files.

Re:WinCE is cheap ($$$)

[Anonymous Coward]

> As far as "slow", these newer Geode processors now run on the good ol'Athlon core (I think).

That is incorrect. It is still the cyrix core.

Re:WinCE is cheap ($$$)

[madstork2000]

I agree with this, but I doubt it is to keep linux "off" the boxes. Linux can already run on just about anything. The reason I am guessing is to keep "Modern" Windows OS's off the suckers. There is no-way the bloated WinXP could run with a 350Mhz and 128MB RAM. (I imagine Linux +KDE/GNOME would struggle too, but wmaker or xfce would likely be fine).

By supporting this low end HW MS can effectively be free to sell cheap hardware their without worrying about users stealing their "good stuff" since it obviously won't be able to run. On top of that if they are able to sell limited CE versions of software to the that market, they do not have to worry as much about large scale pirating of selling cheap versions back to the western market.

Since MS already faces big problems with piracy, they simply would not want another inexpensive box that could run all their latest apps in the hands of millions of people who are not likely to ever buy anything.

Here's how I see it breaking down. The low-end hardware and CE makes it affordable for the HW company (AMD) in this case to buy the software from MS. So MS makes $$ of the initial sale. Since the cost of the software is factored into the selling price, AMD can still make a profit.

The people who lose out in this scenerio are the poor folks who buy this with 2nd rate Windows software. This would have been a perfect opportunity for Linux to shine, because if it were pre-loaded, it could have everything the people would need.

The target market also does not have to worry about the cost of switching, nor do they have to worry about compatibility with others. They are essentially starting with a blank slate.

I am guessing that MS probably is more involved than just supplying a half-ass OS. If this succeeds it gets them in at the ground floor in large emerging markets with less threat of piracy of their high margin apps.

-MS2k

Why Windows and not Linux?

[julie-h]

Intel and Microsoft is loyal to each other, but my understanding is that AMD isn't in Microsoft's favorite list.

So why would AMD ship it with Windows, and pay a high license fee when they can get it from free with Linux?

Firewall? you don't get no stinkin' firewall!

[frovingslosh]

But after looking, my first thought was "have to get one to use as router/firewall"

No, I can't build it as tiny with off-the-shelf parts. But that's hardly the point, since tiny but crippled just doesn't cut it. As to your thought of getting one to use as a firewall, well, lets just say you might give it a bit more thought. The damn thing has a 56k modem, but apparently no ethernet port. And a decent firewall needs (at least) two ethernet ports; but this thing has no expansion capability. Hope you don't plan on using USB to Ethernet kluges for the connections; they would not only be expensive, but since the spec's only mention USB I'm guessing this is USB 1.1 and not even USB2. So no good for a tiny dedicated device like a firewall, and doesn't compete well with larger computers you can build up from stock parts.

Sure, there are always a small number of dedicated applications that one can use a slow, low power computer for. But there are many other choices available for such projects. This thing wasn't intended to be that, and doesn't compete well in that market. So let's take it for what it claims to be and evaluate it based on that; a very low end PC replacement with a brain dead OS (that in the end the user pays for). It just doesn't stack up against what else is available.

"Very small" Word documents?

[tepples]

Since when does an app on the scale of Microsoft Office produce "very small documents"? The file format, for one thing, will need a serious rethinking.

The problem with PNAC

[konmaskisin]

The problem with tje Project For a New American Century is not that that they have nukes, CIA dirty trickters, torturers, chemical weapons and don't give a shit who they kill in order to preserve their privileged way of life (lots of other groups of deranged whackos have come together in similar ways over the last 500 years or so).

The main problem with PANC is that ever last one of the signatories is INCREDIBLE FUCKING STUPID.

They quite simply don't understand the way the world works and don't pay attention to history or human nature.

Oops ... I forgot, Francis Fukupayama (one of the signatories) already proclaimed the end of history so I guess there's no need - we are truly now in a "new reality".

Blech what utter idiots. Luckily they are mere dust in the winds of time - which I hope blows real hard in their direction.