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Wired Releases Creative Commons Sampling CD

An anonymous reader writes "In this month's issue of Wired Magazine, there is an included CD featuring songs from The Beastie Boys, David Byrne, among others. The unique thing about the CD is that all of the tracks are released under Creative Commons Licences, making them legal to share."

185 comments

  1. Good idea by synthparadox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thats actually a good idea, with RIAA complaining that file sharing hurts the music industry by letting people get songs for free, this may promote people buying CDs again. (You hear 30 seconds of a song, you like it, you buy the CD, etc.)

    1. Re:Good idea by davesplace1 · · Score: 1

      I have done that before downloaded a song, then went out and bought the CD. Have not been downloading any music lately or buyind any CDs.

    2. Re:Good idea by hippocampdotnet · · Score: 1

      several netlabels have been giving away free music for years, wired could've done a better job buy helping promote this instead of releasing a cd by a load of industry acts.

    3. Re:Good idea by Shinglor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can already get 30 second previews from iTunes, Amazon and hundreds of music sites. What does that have to do with Creative Commons?

  2. so ? by sbjordal · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It means Wired is only one lawsuit away from RIAA...like they know what type of license it is, They know one thing: $$$

    1. Re:so ? by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It means Wired is only one lawsuit away from RIAA

      Hang on a second.

      What they have done is either legal, or it is not.

      If they are subject to a lawsuit as a result of something legal, provided they are willing to fight it out (and trust me, they will be) the RIAA will be the loser.

      Being the defendant in a lawsuit is not necessarily a problem. Being the loser is.

      --

      Indy Media Watch-Proctologist of the Internet

    2. Re:so ? by ragingmime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they're not. Wired has permission from the artists and the record labels to be distributing their songs: even if some people in the RIAA think this might be a bad precedent, they can't do anything about it, because they simply have no legal case. This goes beyond a question of fair use vs. copyright infringement: it's been done with permission and it's legal, end of story.

      like they know what type of license it is, They know one thing: $$$

      The RIAA might be greedy, but they're not morons, and I'm sure they know copyright law like the backs of their hands. They know that they have no case and that a judge would probably throw out any attempt at a lawsuit.

      By the way, what would be in it for them? I'm not sure if these labels are RIAA members, but if so, the RIAA would be acting against the decisions of their own members. If not, the RIAA has no business intervening.

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    3. Re:so ? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Since when have logic and "knowing better" ever stood in the way of an RIAA lawsuit?

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    4. Re:so ? by ragingmime · · Score: 2, Informative

      In all the lawsuits that the RIAA has filed so far, there's been some logical basis for their case - and it's usually something like "People our using our stuff without our permission; make them stop." There's some logic in that: the RIAA makes its profit off of intellectual property that people are getting off KaZaa for free. There would be no such logic in the case that you're describing.

      I don't believe that RIAA is as fanatical as the /. crowd tend to think. The RIAA is constantly looking out for their bottom line at the expense of "free information," but I don't think that they're as fanatically against free content as you think. I'm sure they don't love the idea (they're selling the stuff; free content can make bought content less desirable), but you don't see anybody suing, say, purevolume or music.download.com because they have no case and because, in many cases, the labels providing free content are members of the RIAA.

      The logic RIAA's arguments have of course been slanted towards their point of view, and "knowing better" is probably defined as "being able to profit and not get in trouble," but there is some logic there, and it would say that a lawsuit wouldn't benefit the RIAA or its members.

      I say this, by the way, not as some nutty corporate sympathizer but as someone who's starting a little indie record label that's giving out music for free. There are certainly a lot of problems with the music industry, but you paint labels as totally evil corporate suits. They're certainly interested in the bottom line, but that doesn't make them out-and-out jerks.

      By the way, IndyMediaWatch guy, INAL, but if you're the plantiff in a lawsuit and you lose, I don't think that's really a problem - it's not like you'll be fined; it's just that the defendant wouldn't be punished or anything. You have a problem when you lose and you're the defendant.

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  3. Sharing is only the half of it by Raindance · · Score: 5, Informative

    These songs are licensed under the Creative Commons license-- which means not only are you free to share these songs, but you're free to tinker with them. Extract samples, make new mixes, whatever. In stark contrast to the norm.

    This isn't just about "good free music" (though it looks like it is that). It's about artists and labels "getting it" about what creates a culture of creativity and walking the walk.

    Seeing this makes me happy.

    RD

    1. Re:Sharing is only the half of it by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Informative
      As a point of clarification, there are several varieties of CC licenses (one of the great things about CC), some of which specifically allow derivative works and some of which do not.

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      Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
    2. Re:Sharing is only the half of it by mumblestheclown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nonsense. It's about a bunch of artists (and their handlers), ever conscious of their image, seeing a cheap and easy way to be seen by hip pseudo-intellectuals as "getting it" and "walking the walk."

  4. Re:MPAA by synthparadox · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    MPAA is Motion Picture Association of America, has nothing to do with music, I believe.

  5. No commercial sampling for a few. by plumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most of these songs are licensed for commercial sampling, but a handful aren't.

    Chuck D and the Beastie Boys, two bands who have built their careers on sampling (like most of the artists on the CD) won't let you sample their work commercially. (The other band that doesn't is "My Morning Jacket", but I don't know who they are.)

    Bizarre.

    1. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by spiralscratch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do these songs have samples? If that's the case, I would think it safe to assume that the owners of the original works being sampled have extended usage rights only to these artists. Beastie Boys, et al would most likely not have a legal right to extend sampling rights. And since it would be difficult to impossible to say, 'you can sample this and this part of the song, but not this part," they have to deny sampling of the entire work

    2. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by rxchurch · · Score: 0

      Not bizarre at all.
      If you look at the rest of the bands who do allow coomerical distro of derivative works, you can notice a similar trend among all of them.

      They are all on independent record labels.

      Beasties and MMJ are both on majors.

      Chuck D? I can't explain that one.

      Bizarre.

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    3. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I mean, I'm not trolling here, but for fuck's sake, are some people never content? If they give you a free car, will you complain that gas is not free and they have not given you the schematics for the injection system so you can improve it?

      Honestly...

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      Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast.
    4. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Magickcat · · Score: 1

      I doubt that the pioneers of the sampling technique, both in Hip Hop and Dub Reggae, ever gave a second thought to any license whatsoever.

      Classsical musicians once used to perform variations and improvements on each other's work. Nowadays, if someone tried that, they'd be in court quicker than you can say "Mozart".

      Jazz does variations and improvisations - of course nowadays you'd need a team of lawyers first.

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      Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

    5. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i dont know - i can say mozart pretty quickly... here - check this out...

      "mozart"

      pretty fast eh?

    6. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez, man. I said "bizarre", not "Chuck D and Beastie Boys are such assholes". Calm down, for fuck's sake.

    7. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Why not? But instead of Gas being free... just give me free access to the refinery and details on how to refine it, then allow me to buy raw sweet crude by the gallon so I can make my own damn gas for pennies on the dollar.

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      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
    8. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..... or you could recognise the "free" car for what it really is -- a plot to keep you beholden to the fuel companies -- and get yourself a diesel car instead. Caterers will actually pay you to take away their used cooking fat, giving you what is effectively cheaper-than-free fuel! NB some bodging will be required; Scrapheap Challenge viewers have the advantage here. You may also have to prove a case in a pretty high court, since most governments will consider it "tax evasion" if you aren't paying your fuel duty {but the ostensible purpose of fuel duties is to limit fossil fuel pollution, to which non-fossil fuels do not contribute; therefore you don't really owe them any money}. Just use a modification of the Howard marks defence, and hope and pray that there are at least two people on that jury who drive diesels!

    9. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      Make your own music and license it however you want then.

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      Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast.
    10. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Would it not just be possible to sample the original works? Thereby cutting out the middleman?

    11. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, I'm not trolling here, but for fuck's sake, are some people never content? If they give you a free car, will you complain that gas is not free and they have not given you the schematics for the injection system so you can improve it?

      Geeks like to clarify things. This involves making assertions, some of which are to negate invalid assertions made before. This activity might look like complaining to those persons who never attempt to clarify things.

    12. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's not complaining but he is pointing to a significant (and to me surprising) note of hypocrisy coming from people who should know better. Perhaps they have pressure from other sources (record companies, lawyers) that prevented them from allowing sampling but it does seem really strange that of all people the Beasties and Chuck D would prevent it. Chuck D defended Napster back in the twentieth century, has released music under way less restrictive terms, and built his career on sampling (as did the Beasties).

    13. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by technos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you aware how bad the Beastie Boys got burned over sampling?

      Every time a new Beasties album comes out, there's another lawsuit and they refine what's cutting edge for legal sampling. They've had their chops busted over what you or I would think is sane use soooo many times. Flute players who had three notes of audio sampled *after* it had been licensed. AC/DC suing over a riff used in "Rock Hard". License to Ill and Paul's Boutique were an endless headache for them..

      So why the hell would you share your stuff with the world when all the world does to you is sue your ass off? Do unto others...

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    14. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by DongleFondle · · Score: 1

      My Morning Jacket is one of those teatering on the edge of being mainstream bands that are still struggling to really break through big. They play all different kinds of venues from enormous to the shitty little dive where I saw them in Omaha, NE.

      Also, you commented on how they were one of the few bands that do not allow sampling, so I thought you might find it interesting that after the show, we had stuck around for quite a long time drinking and we ran into the band loading their equipment so I took the opportunity to tell em I really enjoyed the show and one of the band members tossed me a free cd. I couldn't say what exactly their motives are for not allowing sampling, (maybe they feel artisticly sampling their music would debase it, I don't know) but I'm fairly sure at least its not because they are of that enormous-greedy-mainstream-radio-mindset that so many huge artist fall prey to.

    15. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The way I'm reading this is that people are complaining about the story's inaccurate reporting.

      It's a good thing that these songs are being released will less restrictions than normal, it's a bad thing that slashdot is giving the impression that the songs are totally unrestricted. 2 different issues!

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    16. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1

      Hardly bizarre. Throughout history many people and groups have done things to others that they do not want done to them.

    17. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Carthag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's probably because their songs contain samples from other songs that their license does not allow them to let other people sample.

    18. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are clue-resistant, even clue-impervious. You are immune to the clue. You and the clue will always be apart. The clue and you do not speak each other's language. You are a clue-free zone. Don't worry about the clue, it's not after you.

    19. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are pretty good. I guess you could call them a country jam band or something. Check out http://www.archive.org/audio/etree.php and search for them to hear some live stuff.

    20. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it really seem strange about the Beastie Boys? I mean their most recent CD was COPY PROTECTED. Most slashdotters seem to have forgotten all the bitching that went on here when that CD was originally released.

    21. Re:No commercial sampling for a few. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      NO. The comment to make abotu a free car: "I can't afford the taxes!" Ask Oprah's fans who got the free Pontiacs.

  6. contract by slavik1337 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought all "artists" gave copyrights to the company for their works ... can the artists do such a thing because I doubt that RIAA would :-\

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    1. Re:contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They sign contracts to product albums and such. Their contracts don't stipulate that ALL their work is owned by the record company. They are fully able to create works on their own that aren't under the terms of the contract.

    2. Re:contract by zerblat · · Score: 3, Informative
      It depends on what the contract says, but AFAIK, standard recording contracts are generally exlusive and cover all recordings that the artist apears on while the contract is valid. Most of the artists on this CD (but not all) seem to be signed to small/independant companies, which should make it easier to get permission for things like this.

      Of course, that only covers the rights to the recording. You'll also need permission from whoever is the copyright holder, which usually means the songwriter's publisher, rather than the songwriter.

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  7. Where? by Baricom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't see any CD. Are we talking about the October or November issue?

    1. Re:Where? by Baricom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No - in my excitement, I did not RTFA. Sorry about that.

      However, "this month" is not November, IMHO (and I think the Gregorian calendar agrees with me).

    2. Re:Where? by hazem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have already received November editions of most of the magazines I get. It's only October 24th.

  8. Wrong. by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not all the songs allow sampling...

    Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommercial sharing and commercial sampling, but advertising uses are restricted.
    Noncommercial Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommerical sharing and
    noncommercial sampling.

    1. Re:Wrong. by byolinux · · Score: 4, Informative

      All the sampling licenses allow for sampling.

      Some don't allow commercial sampling.

  9. what month is it? by eSavior · · Score: 2, Funny

    o_o
    You missed april fools by 6 months.

    1. Re:what month is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting?

      By some stretch of imagination, it's probably informative that April's Fool is off by six months - but interesting?

      Tomorrow is October 26th. Mod me interesting. Please? I could use some Karma :-(

      ~m

    2. Re:what month is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, and I post it anon.

      Duh.

      Man, I could use some sleep. And some brains.

      ~m

    3. Re:what month is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Click here to see an example.
      I was moderated "informative" for saying what the date was, and where one could see it. Not only that but +5 Informative -1 Redundant. What's worse is it was in response to a 1st post troll who said simply "Is today April 1st" so the first people see when they click on "Microsoft Won't Charge More for Multicore Licenses" they see my stupid post about the date.

      While by some stretch of the imagination it could be interesting that it's been over six months since April 1st, it has nothing at all to do with the copyright holders of music granting permission to share specific works. It in it self doesn't add to the conversation unless the topic is calendars.

      It's my hope that this time I get flagged as being off topic, because I am about as off topic as you can get. If you don't mod me as off topic, I will hit you over the head with a large watermelon until, until... until you had enough!

  10. So, it's legal to download ... by dougmc · · Score: 3, Funny

    So it sounds like a job for Bittorrent!

    1. Re:So, it's legal to download ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the real question here is, where's the torrent?

    2. Re:So, it's legal to download ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But does it run Linux? And can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of CDs in Soviet Russia YOU! Insensitive CLOD!

      RIAA: All your Creative Commons are belong to us!
      General Public: What You Say!

    3. Re:So, it's legal to download ... by Professeur+Shadoko · · Score: 1

      Oh, sounds just like a nice super-hero gimmick.

      BitTorrent: "Sounds like a job for BitTorrent !"

      I'm eagerly waiting for "BitTorrent, the movie"

      That could then be shared with... Bittorrent :-p

  11. "The" Creative Commons licence? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean "a" Creative Commons licence. There are a variety of them, and what you are permitted to do varies between them.

    For example some of the tracks on the disc are only samplable (?) for noncommercial purposes which is probably a restriction that doesn't fit with some peoples ideas of "freedom".

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  12. This makes sense... by footage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Music, photos and film/video footage gain value the more they're heard or seen; they can't be diluted or depleted like physical property. Ultimately artists who approve sharing and sampling of their work will sell more music. Free downloading has worked well for us, a historical film archive, and led to more business. See http://www.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php.

    1. Re:This makes sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and smoking is good for you and Santa Claus exists. Got any more fairy tales?

    2. Re:This makes sense... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      " Music, photos and film/video footage gain value the more they're heard or seen;"

      Then how come the first time you hear a Will Smith song its okay, but then after the third week of it being played 5 times an hour or so, you never want to hear it again? (Luckily this isn't much of an issue post-y2k, he seems to not be flooding us with songs now that hes focusing on movies)

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  13. Re:RTFA by Technician · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't see any CD. Are we talking about the October or November issue?

    RTFA

    Clip magazine, November issue (get the CD free with your copy, on newsstands now!) end clip

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    The truth shall set you free!
  14. How can the Beasty Boys by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    release songs under the CC, when they couldn't even release their last album without a bunch of DRM?

    Plus, they're listing theirs under the 'Noncommercial Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommerical sharing and noncommercial sampling' which is fine and good for them; I'd be curious to know how many songs they've 'bitten' over the years that never got attributed.

    Paul's Boutique was an excellent example of how sampling should work, and how completely new works can be made from old - that was a fantastic record.

    Then we've got P. Duddy to show how old works can be ruined by 'sampling' *entire songs*. Ugh.

    It IS great to see that there is some attempt at a revamp of copyright, and this CD will only increase the exposure of CC. At least until the songs get on P2P and are all mixed up with ones that are not legal to share...

    1. Re:How can the Beasty Boys by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I've got mixed feelings on the B-Boys. I have been a longtime fan, spent a -shitload- of money on their CD's, and the DRM on their last one was a huge slap in the face. So my B-Boy CD collection is complete, except for their latest. Unless something changes drastically, I won't be buying any more of their stuff.

      For a band with "'tude", who are built their little empire on "rhymin' and stealin'", releasing a DRM'd CD, then telling their fans, "it's not us, dude, get over it" was the height of hypocrisy.

      Yeah, I'm a little bitter.

      It's going to take more than a little publicity stunt like this to make up for what they did, releasing one track under a non-commercial-only sampling license is a pretty weak apology.

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    2. Re:How can the Beasty Boys by jschottm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      release songs under the CC, when they couldn't even release their last album without a bunch of DRM?

      According to their statement, all of the albums released by their label outside of .us and .uk (IIRC) have the copy protection on it. I'm not saying that the copy protection was a good thing, but it's not as if the group sat down and decided to use it, it was forced on them.

      Plus, they're listing theirs under the 'Noncommercial Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommerical sharing and noncommercial sampling' which is fine and good for them; I'd be curious to know how many songs they've 'bitten' over the years that never got attributed.

      I don't know for sure, but it may be that songs on the album use samples whose license forbids resampling.

      Just a guess.

    3. Re:How can the Beasty Boys by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      "According to their statement, all of the albums released by their label outside of .us and .uk (IIRC) have the copy protection on it. I'm not saying that the copy protection was a good thing, but it's not as if the group sat down and decided to use it, it was forced on them."

      That last little bit "it was forced on them." They had to willingly sign the contract which allowed it to be "forced" on them. If the actual contract was "forced" on them by threat of violence it's considered void anyway. I think what you may have meant to say is that it slipped past their defenses and made it into their contract and now they are bound by it. But it was not "forced on them."

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    4. Re:How can the Beasty Boys by senbei · · Score: 2, Informative
      From beastieboys.com:

      Here's the deal with copy protection on To the 5 Boroughs. Read it.

      • There is no copy controlled software on US or UK releases of
        Beastie Boys' To the 5 Boroughs.
      • The disk is copy controlled in outside of the USA and UK - which is
        standard policy for all Capitol/EMI titles (and a policy used by all major labels in Europe).
      • The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including

        To the 5 Boroughs
        is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player
        into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the
        disk. It does absolutely not install any kind of spyware,
        shareware, silverware, or ladies wear onto the users
        system. You can find more information on the technology used


        here.

      This is what EMI has to say about it:


      Reports that spy ware is being included on the Beastie Boy's CD, To the
      5 Boroughs
      are absolutely untrue.

      While the Beastie Boys CD does use copy control in some territories, there is no
      copy control on the Beasties Boys discs in the US or the UK. Where copy
      protection is used, it is Macrovision's CDS-200 technology; the same technology
      being used for the past several months around the world for all of EMI's
      releases in those territories. This Macrovision technology does not install spy ware or vapor ware of any kind on a users PC. In fact, CDS-200 does

      not install software applications of any kind on a user's PC. All the
      copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based, meaning that it is dependent on
      the physical properties and the format of the CD. None of the copy protection in
      CDS-200 requires software applications to be loaded onto a computer.

      The technology does activate a proprietary Macrovision player in order to play
      the CD on a PC, and that player converts WMA compressed files to audio on the
      fly. It also temporarily installs a graphic skin for the player. Nothing is
      permanently installed on a hard drive. These details can be verified in the 'install.log'
      file in the computer's root directory

  15. Metallica? by Nos. · · Score: 5, Funny

    Funny, I don't see anything from Metallica on this CD.

    1. Re:Metallica? by edalytical · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear they're releasing some lipstick under creative commons.

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    2. Re:Metallica? by metlin · · Score: 4, Funny

      They said "music" !

      PS - I listen to them too :-)

  16. Amazing by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The evolution of The Beastie Boys' consciousness is truly amazing, almost unbelievable. Their last album silently installed DRM code and now it is released under a Creative Commons Licence for everyone to share! Isn't it wonderful that there are people who really can listen to our community and adapt to the information era instead of trying to halt the progress like the RIAA? This CD will be a perfect Christmas gift for anyone who doesn't realize that not every rights are "reserved" and that copying and sharing is not inherently illegal. Anyone got a torrent link?

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    Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
    "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
    1. Re:Amazing by bob_dinosaur · · Score: 2

      It's about bloody time, given that their career has been built on sampling other people's tracks.

    2. Re:Amazing by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that the DRM'ed CD went over like a Led-Zeppelin, and they're trying to get back some of the (former) fans that they pissed off with a willfully damaged CD.

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      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
    3. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The evolution of The Beastie Boys' consciousness is truly amazing, almost unbelievable.

      Yeah, into total liberal flakes. They used to be fun, now they're just lameasses.

    4. Re:Amazing by Secrity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another perfect Christmas gift would be a copy of the magazine; which includes the CD and an excellent article explaining the licensing. That issue also includes a companion article regarding Open Source in Brazil.

  17. How can I get it internationally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it possible to order only that one issue of Wired internationally instead of subscribing for 12 months? I would like to get few copies of that CD for Xmas gifts for my DJ friends for sampling but I don't want to buy like ten subscriptions for $700! :( Any way to get only this one issue to central Europe before Xmas? Thanks!

    1. Re:How can I get it internationally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to buy a copy! According the article, they're legal to share!

    2. Re:How can I get it internationally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I know, but the point is that I don't want to give CDRs as gifts. I want to give them real pressed CDs with printed surface etc. - something which is usually 'all rights reserved, copying prohibited!' - and tell them that I didn't buy it because I had to but because I wanted to, and it a great gift because they can sample it, remix it, resell it and do whatever they want - *legally*. My friends are hip-hop DJs and such a gift would be great. But giving CDRs would be not that great. They would get lost in the piles of hudreds of other CDRs. Well, thanks anyway.

    3. Re:How can I get it internationally? by taxevader · · Score: 1

      Errr.. you say you want the issue so you can give away a few copies of the CD. Why not just download it off the net as soon as its released then MAKE a few copies yourself. Its legal, which is the whole gimmick for what would otherwise be just another run of the mill CD release.

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    4. Re:How can I get it internationally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:How can I get it internationally? by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to order only that one issue of Wired internationally instead of subscribing for 12 months?

      I don't know of any way to order single issues online. Perhaps you could find someone to buy issues off a newstand and ship them.

      Or maybe you can find someone to burn a CD for you. I know it's not the same as having a nicely labeled official copy (although the real label is pretty bland), but hey, this is one of the few times that we can suggest that a CD be opening copied and shared (viva Creative Commons)!

      By the way, the CD ain't bad. I'm listening to it now. Some good songs on it (and some that aren't my cup of tea)...

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  18. Great, just like Linux distributions by sulli · · Score: 1, Insightful

    More choice = more confusion! Now "Creative Commons Licensed" means nothing, because it can mean lots of different things.

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    1. Re:Great, just like Linux distributions by iabervon · · Score: 1

      "Creative Commons Licensed" is an annoying thing to say, because there were always a bunch of Creative Commons licenses. All it actually means is that you're allowed to do something you might not expect, and you can read a one-paragraph description and understand what you're allowed to do. A better analogy might be programs for the Mac: you don't know what the program will do, but you know it will be presented in a way familiar from other programs. Obviously, there are many different programs for the Mac.

      Personally, I think that Creative Commons should also have proprietary licenses, simply for the benefit of users of proprietary content, who would be able to recognize the requirements without wading through legalese each time they got something (and also to show side-by-side comparisons of proprietary licenses and free ones). Probably starting with "Fair Use": you own a copy of the work and can use it yourself or sell it, but cannot duplicate it except to make a backup for your own use.

  19. Re:MPAA by syousef · · Score: 5, Funny

    MPAA is Motion Picture Association of America, has nothing to do with music, I believe.

    They don't have much to do with movies either. Just with suing people.

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  20. Ask Chuck D yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The nice thing is you can give Chuck D a call and ask him about it yourself. He hosts Unfiltered, a talk show on Air America Radio. I believe it airs every weekday and can be heard either on the radio in 30+ markets or via RealAudio or MS streaming.

    Chuck D's been pretty vocal on the side of pro-music sharing, so I'd be interested in anyone who might ask him why he doesn't want to be sampled...

    1. Re:Ask Chuck D yourself... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's all to do with permission. If I sample something, and get permission to use that sample, that might well exclude me giving away permission to let other people sample my sample, if you see what I mean. No?


      Ok. I sample a chunk off a record (say, the bassline from Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax). I get permission from ZTT to use that sample, but not to distribute it apart from my record. This effectively means I can't give people permission to sample my record, in case they sample the bit off Relax. It's a viral licensing scheme, effectively, where "closed" samples "infect" otherwise open content.

  21. MMJ by gr0ngb0t · · Score: 1

    My Morning Jacket ROCK. I've only seen a few bands in my many many years of seeing bands *truly* enjoy and get into what they're doing as much as these guys - and they're all really really good at their instruments. very well rehearsed (or partially psychic) and talented individuals. They rock hard when they play even though their music isn't the most rockingest. great band.

    All of you should check them out, and support them if you like them by going to see them if/when they play in your town, because thats where most bands get their income, not from cd sales.

    1. Re:MMJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as we're spamming slashdot by promoting our favorite bands here, czech out Mindless Self Indulgence.

    2. Re:MMJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the brazilian electronic band Gerador Zero. They even have an EP called #!/bin/bash!

    3. Re:MMJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definately check these guys out. I have seen them live twice and they are amazing. Most recently, they opened for Dave Matthews Band on the Vote for Change Tour. I did a write up on everything2.org about them awhile ago, check it out http://www.everything2.org/index.pl?node_id=139588 3&lastnode_id=124/

  22. Rubbish by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a simple acknowledgement that one size does not fit all.

    In fact, by assembling a variety of licence options under one roof and explaining the options in a consistant and coherant way (and with comics), they go a long way to helping people really understand the issues.

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  23. nice chance to listen to something new by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 0

    These kind of cds are what started my cd collection some 10 years ago. It's a great way of discovery new music you hadn't heard of before. Like half the bands on this cd i don't know and it's a great opportunity for them to get me interested in buying their latest and greatest.

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  24. Legal to share? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're legal to share, they should also put up links for us to download the songs.

  25. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is good point. How can I order one issue of Wired?

    1. Re:Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy it off a shop?

      Duh!

    2. Re:Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > Buy it off a shop?
      >
      > Duh!

      Very funny. And what if I live in the Czech Republic? Duh?

    3. Re:Mod parent up! by Technician · · Score: 1

      Ask someone to get them from the newstand. I'm going to see if I can snag a copy in the morning.

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    4. Re:Mod parent up! by nbert · · Score: 1

      At least in Germany you can buy Wired at many international press kiosks. I can't imagine that they don't sell it in the Czech Republic. However, if I'm wrong you might consider to come by...

  26. Re:High Quality... by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have high quality FLAC and encode my own damn Vorbii. :-)

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  27. Re:MPAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    In the olden days, promote interest in the industry and provide standards. I built a pre-amp in the record days, and it had to compensate for the audio curve records used to attenuate the low frequencies and boost the high frequencies to increase the over-all frequency response. This curve was the "RIAA" standard, and that was my first time having anything to do with them.

  28. Re:MPAA by metlin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm confused, what else are "Associations of America" supposed to do besides sue people?

    Isn't that our national business?


    No!

    That would be reality shows!

    But hush! That's all only until the hairdressers and telephone sanitizers take over.

  29. Beasty Boys - Bit by the lawyers? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... when they couldn't even release their last album without a bunch of DRM?

    It could be legal problems -- If they live by sampling, they'll have to get the rights to release the samples that they're using.. They may not have been able to get a release for anything more than non-commercial sampling.

    As for the flip-flop, they may be experimenting to see which approach sells more records, or they may be trying to get back into the good books of all the fans they would have pissed off with a DRM'ed CD.

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  30. Perhaps *they* have licensing problems? by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i.e just like John Carmack and the Doom source (the music in that game's case), they

    can't give you sampling rights because they licensed them themselves...

    Sorry, but the commercial world, she's a bitch.

    1. Re:Perhaps *they* have licensing problems? by Ed_Moyse · · Score: 1

      Please keep modding the parent up ... I think that Andy (despite his fall) is probably right.

  31. Entertainment industry shake-up by Media+Girl · · Score: 3, Insightful
    AMPAS (the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences), aka "The Academy," has been watching and fretting over these kinds of developments in the music industry (--All the more so since this upending of the music biz is happening right after the studios (and/or their owners) spent a couple decades devouring just about every music company they could find and stomach.) There is a whole thicket of contractual and union entanglements with movies -- for example, actors in the Screen Actors Guild and directors and production managers in the Directors Guild of America see a large part of their income from movies (and commercials) in residuals paid out per airing on tv, video sales, etc. How Creative Commons licensing would work affect the Hollywood economy, I don't know.

    From the corporate perspective, the Hollywood studios are starting off from a stronger position than the music industry, though. CDs were always easy to copy analog, but most DVD players will MacroVision scramble (possibly multiplied with other copy proteciton systems) a program so that the everyday consumer cannot copy it. Yes, there are hacks for these protections and codecs for pulling off the Mpeg-2 video into a DVD+/-R-friendly format. But it's not as easy as making a tape off an album was.

    But it can't last. With digital television and broader-band internet (e.g., WiMax) coming, something is going to have to give. Mandating chips into players and burners only can go so far. It cannot last forever against the democratic marketplace of Open Source and Creative Commons economics.

    But it will take time, and pain. For music, it's proving to be not as painful as it might have been for the musicians, though the tassled-loafer boys living in Bel Air might be feeling the pinch. But with movies, a lot more people are involved in each project. And what this spells for the big movie, I don't know. (If the blockbusters go, no real loss, some would say.)

    We are in a time of upheaval, and one of the biggest sectors of our economy -- entertainment -- is going to be pretty much unrecognizable to our soon-to-be-outdated perspective in just a few years.

    1. Re:Entertainment industry shake-up by Deternal · · Score: 1

      Entertainment is that big? Last time I checked IBM generated more grossincome then the entire music industri combined.

    2. Re:Entertainment industry shake-up by Media+Girl · · Score: 1

      I was talking about music, movies and television. It adds up to billions a year and is one of our biggest exports.

    3. Re:Entertainment industry shake-up by olman · · Score: 1

      A bit like the Soviets were waiting for Capitalist system to collapse under it's own weight..

  32. Morpheus supports Creative Commons by fcrick · · Score: 5, Informative

    The file sharing client Morpheus supports Creative Commons, and properly tagged mp3s are recognized in search results in the client. Creative Commons will soon begin tagging all their mp3 files in the Copyright id3 tag. On Morpheus, you can even search 'cc:sampling' and 'cc:sharing', and you'll find and be able to download all properly tagged Creative Commons content.

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    1. Re:Morpheus supports Creative Commons by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      That's a Good Thing. Sadly, I'm afraid certain people will be tagging actually illegal-to-share content as legal-to-share. When caught, they will claim "it said it was legal to share".

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  33. It was ever thus. But what changes? by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Creative Commons organization always had multiple licenses with different terms; it never meant just one thing (so the complaint was never valid). But more importantly, this matches "free software" licensing and "open source" licensing which are also varied in what is allowed and what copyright powers are retained. You can't know that a program is "free software" or "open source" and know that everything you might want to do with the work is allowed (most licenses don't cover software patents, for instance); you can't be sure what is allowed downstream for derivatives from your derivative (some licenses don't have a copyleft, for instance).

    How is this new set of CC licenses new? I can't answer that for everyone, but only one thing changes for me: I host "Digital Citizen" on alternate Wednesdays from 8-10p on my local community radio station (WEFT 90.1 FM). On my show, I air only things which can be copied and distributed (at least verbatim). CC-licensed music and talks make up a good deal of my show (in the language of CC licenses, I make a "Collective" work).

    The Sampling license doesn't allow the entire work to be copied and distributed. But the other sampling licenses (Sampling Plus, and Non-Commercial Sampling Plus) do allow the entire work to be copied and distributed. So, for the first time, knowing that a work is a CC-licensed work is not enough to merit inclusion in my show. I have to make sure a CC-licensed work is not licensed to me under the Sampling license.

    This isn't a big deal, but it is a change.

  34. Re:MPAA by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

    The MPAA organizes the Rating System, and the RIAA awards whether an album goes Gold or Platinum. They also do a lot of lobbying.

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  35. Another (not so) unique thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that the artists are flaming liberals.

    1. Re:Another (not so) unique thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to good kneejerk fascists such as yourself?

    2. Re:Another (not so) unique thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, name-calling liberals who are loose with the F word are such a cliche. Yawn...

    3. Re:Another (not so) unique thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as are narrow-minded extreme right wingers who are so quick to let loose with the term "liberal" as an insult.

      From dictionary.com:

      liberal Audio pronunciation of "liberal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
      adj.

      1a: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
      1b: Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

      Yeah, that's a bad thing. those tolerant, broad-minded individuals who are free of bigotry MUST be stopped!

  36. Re:looks good but, by Zoolander · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, before the phonograph, musicians had to *gasp* PERFORM to make money. Then came a sort of golden age, where you could theoretically make a few records, then sit on your ass and watch the money roll in.
    Now it seems like that golden age is coming to an end, forcing artists who can't perform live out of business. A good development, IMHO.

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  37. More pants = More badly dressed people by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    Of course, it also means less half-naked people too !

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  38. DRM free Metallica by anti-NAT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Metallica are selling FLACs of their live concerts here. In their FAQ they acknowledge that they know they aren't DRM protected and can be shared.

    The main problem with this is Slashdot itself. When I discovered this at least six months ago I thought this was pretty major news as Metallica were one of the main, vocal opponents of DRM free music, which of course means it easily can be distributed via P2P file sharing. Do you think my Slashdot submission was noticed ? I don't ever remember seeing it.

    Maybe Slashdot has secretly been taken over by RIAA, and don't want Metallica's change of heart to be known about by anti-DRM proponents.

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    1. Re:DRM free Metallica by Schnapple · · Score: 1
      In their FAQ they acknowledge that they know they aren't DRM protected and can be shared.
      Not to nitpick, but your post almost makes it sound like Metallica went the next step and authorized sharing of these concerts. They haven't. They do have a site called Metallica Vault which I was about to say had three shows when the St. Anger album was released and probably will never be updated again, but I look now and see that they have, apparently, put new shows up. They do allow and supposedly encourage people to share items from this site.

      The Live Metallica site you mentioned is one of a few sites like it (Primus and others have ones more or less identical) - the MP3/FLAC options are so uniform that my guess is that it's probably some company out there that's putting these sites together for artists (or perhaps the labels are doing it).

      One negative thing about the sites is that there's a window in which you must download the files. You can't come back and download them later. While I understand the reasoning, it's still kind of annoying. Still, I guess it underscores the notion that the lack of DRM says that they've already made their money off of the concert and are trying to make a little more. If some people get the files for free, then whatever.

  39. Offtopic, but... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... that would be biodiesel. Brew it yourself from waste cooking fat. If you live in a warm enough country (Scotland is warm enough for 9 months of the year) you can just filter it and pour it straight in.

  40. Re:High Quality... by 808140 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Vorbii" is not the correct plural of "Vorbis". You see, Vorbis is not a second declension masculine noun as is often assumed, but rather a rare 4th declension neutre. In extant literature it was only used in its singular form -- obviously in the glory days of Rome Vorbis could not have been associated with a popular digital music format, and rather described the feeling that one has when one hears a pleasant sound. Understandably, this noun was uncountable and as such was never seen in the plural.

    Therefore, when constructing the plural for this noun, you should use the widely accepted English plural, namely, "Vorbises".

    Just wanted to clear that up. Vorbii is a pet peeve of mine.

  41. (Obligatory) OGGs would be better by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    Move along, nothing to see here.

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  42. What I want to know is... by marktaw.com · · Score: 3, Informative

    Who sanctioned this CD? Most artists when they're signed to a label aren't allowed to perform for anyone else without the label's permission. That's why on every Garbage CD it says "Shirley Manson appears courtesy of..." - She's licensed to Garbage by her record label (or something like that).

    So this means that all of these artists are appearing here with the permission of the record labels, though there may be a few exceptions.

    An artist like the Beastie Boys can negotiate a favorable record contract with a smaller label. David Bowie does this. He sold the future royalties to all of his songs (it's amazing that he had them in the first place), and now only works with smaller record labels that are happy to have him because he's gauranteed sales, and in exchange they give him complete creative control. It's just a small step to negotiating ownership of your music as well.

    An artist like Zap Mama (an excellent group, by the way) may, by virtue of being small, be able to negotiate a favorable contract because they may be able to generate income from things like touring, giving lessons and workshops and so forth, so having a record contract is just a matter of distribution more than promotion... I'm not saying this is the case for Zap Mama, they're actually fairly big, especially outside of the United States, but *perhaps* they could do this kind of thing.

    But.... odds are it didn't happen this way. Odds are the record company *owns* the rights to all of these songs, and *the record company* decided to release these songs under creative commons. As ar as they're concerned, the artists may not even have needed to be asked do this.

    The question then becomes - why would they do something like this? Are they being foward thinking? Didn't Apple just come out with an ipod pre-loaded with U2 songs? Could it be that the record labels are finally attempting new channels of distribution and figuring out new ways of making money in the digital age?

    Another poster praised the Beasty Boys for their ability to change, and surely the Beasty Boys had *some* input into what went on their CD, and some input over the release of their songs under Creative Commons. What I want to know is - how much? And how much was the label.

    1. Re:What I want to know is... by cowsandmilk · · Score: 1

      well, they all do say "appears courtesy of " so as you said, the record company must have agreed to this shindig. and the Beastie Boys one is under that noncommercial shindig, so it can only be used for pet projects in your room, you can't make money off it. . . And I think the Beastie Boys had the most input out of all the bands because there's is the only one that has the band name in the courtesy line in addition to the record company.

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  43. Re:MPAA by syousef · · Score: 1

    The MPAA organizes the Rating System, and the RIAA awards whether an album goes Gold or Platinum. They also do a lot of lobbying.

    And to fund this they sue people...

    The above have nothing to do with providing a service. They are only furthering their own interests. If RIAA and the equivalent organisations world wide label certain albums as gold or platinum, they become more desireable to people who in turn buy more. Film classification is also about having a marketable product for people who have younger children (and avoiding getting sued themselves.

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  44. Re:High Quality... by B2382F29 · · Score: 1

    Sure, that would be much better, but if given the choice between WMA, MP3 and Ogg/Vorbis, which would YOU choose?

    And serving FLAC would be a substantial hit to the bandwith of whoever serves those files.

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  45. One song by the Brazilian Minister of Culture... by Serious+Simon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interestingly, one of the songs is from Gilberto Gil, not only a well known artist but also the Minister of Culture in a government which has a positive attitude to Open Source software.

  46. If it's legal to share... by Xargle · · Score: 1

    where can I download it?

    It'll be a cold day in hell when I buy Wired.

    1. Re:If it's legal to share... by node+3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It'll be a cold day in hell when I buy Wired.

      Bad timing for you then. Reports are that hell froze over last year when Apple released iTunes for Windows.

      Too bad the CD wasn't available then. Maybe with all this weird weather we're having, who knows?

    2. Re:If it's legal to share... by phutureboy · · Score: 1

      All the tracks will be available for download after November 9 at http://creativecommons.org/wired

    3. Re:If it's legal to share... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, so Wired does something cool and great and really advancing the way the world works and... you categorically say you're not interested.

      Jesus - give them some credit. It costs $12 for a year's subscription - and you get the CD. It costs $16 for any crappy Ashley Simpson CD. Which is the better value?

  47. So, uh... by trawg · · Score: 1

    ...where can I download it?!

  48. I'm Jewish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's in my blood.

  49. Re:High Quality... by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

    Obviously the newer unencumbered format.

    Regarding FLAC distribution though. Use bittorrent and they could sanely serve them over a couple of dialup modems. It'd be a challenge for them to find a service that wan't be able to handle that.

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  50. Re:looks good but, by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    In the 1850s, when P.T. Barnum sponsored Jenny Lind's tour of the states, revenue from ticket sales was only part of the deal, there were lucrative product endorsements, sheet music sales, etc., etc. Lind had an international reputation, but Barnum's instinct for promotion drove profits from the tour to dizzying heights (front row seats selling for something like $150 gold dollars) and Lind was free to marry and retire at thirty as an independently wealthy young woman.

    There are artists who are simply more comfortable and productive in the studio work than in live performance. But a techie forum like Slashdot seems a strange place to argue that live performance is not the only legitimate form of music.

  51. Simple by cdmz1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The RECORD COMPANY is the one who created the DRM for the Beastie Boys album. If memory serves correct, the B-boys release of "to the 5 boroughs" in the UK and in Canada have DRM on them, not the release in the US. I beleive that is because their record label DRMs ALL albums in those markets.


    Do you *REALLY* think that the Beastie Boys have the power to tell their record label what to do? Those tricky T&C of contracts tend make the band release the album in accordance with what the label wants. Hence why there was DRM on their album.


    And, yes Paul's Boutique is an amazing work - the best mix tape ever made!

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  52. Re:looks good but, by Zoolander · · Score: 1
    In the 1850s, when P.T. Barnum sponsored Jenny Lind's tour of the states, revenue from ticket sales was only part of the deal, there were lucrative product endorsements, sheet music sales, etc., etc. Lind had an international reputation, but Barnum's instinct for promotion drove profits from the tour to dizzying heights (front row seats selling for something like $150 gold dollars) and Lind was free to marry and retire at thirty as an independently wealthy young woman.
    And I'm totally OK with that. Jenny Lind actually had talent, and I think most of her audience felt that they got their money's worth. Artists of today are doing the same thing Barnum did (well, the megacorp-backed ones, anyway). I don't think it's so much a matter of ideals as one of development: it's just a fact that you won't be able to make as much money on recordings anymore, since advances in technology are slowly closing that door (even though the record companies are frantically struggling to keep it open).
    I think they will function more like promotion, and the real money will come from live performances. And, Jeesus: when some artists demand $100 for a concert ticket, I think they will do OK even without the CD revenue.
    There are artists who are simply more comfortable and productive in the studio work than in live performance. But a techie forum like Slashdot seems a strange place to argue that live performance is not the only legitimate form of music.
    I agree. Some of my favorite artists seem to fit into that category, even though they are extremely talented. But I think they will do OK nonetheless. The best thing about this development is that we probably will se a lot less talentless hacks in the music business, and a lot more bands and artists who become famous 'through the grapevine'
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  53. What? by PenguiN42 · · Score: 1

    No Jim's Big Ego?

    For shame!

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  54. Some good music on the CD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually don't even listen to music except when I'm in the car and found this CD to be quite nice.

  55. Re:Sharing is only the half of it - repetitions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's about artists and labels "getting it" about what creates a culture of creativity and walking the walk."

    Maybe so, but sampling and remixing other peoples work tends to lead mostly to derivitive rubbish.
    If each person listening had to come up with their own tunes and sounds, it would be more interesting.

    It's not like code where sections can be anonymously reused, and still be useful. Creativity is all.

  56. Creative Commons Search Facility by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Informative
    For those of you that don't know CreativeCommons also has a content search function for material released under one of the CC licenses. Submitted links are reviewed by CC before they'll add the material to their listings. Just follow the link labled Content.

    When I listed my material there CC vaulted to the top of my referrer list in just a couple weeks.

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  57. Beware Wired adhesives by irenetheno · · Score: 2, Informative
    ..or something. After extracting my CD from its clear plastic packaging (just a single piece of plastic glued around the CD--holding it against a page), it turns out that it's unreadable.

    I guess I *will* have to download it.

    mount: /dev/scd0: can't read superblock

    Did anyone else's CD survive packaging and transport?

    Additionally, it's great to see a CD with the copyright notice, "Some Rights Reserved."

    1. Re:Beware Wired adhesives by irenetheno · · Score: 1
      Windows only!!??

      A friend tried the CD on his Win2K box and it worked fine.

      Other experiences with alternative OSes?

  58. Irony by choochus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it rather ironic that with the "legal to share!" hyperbole you have to buy a friggin magazine to get it!?

    Where are the download links on the site, Wired!? sheesh

    I know, I know "It's a business, they need to make money", yadda yadda - but one of the biggest points of opening intellectual property in music is that the Internet makes so much more sense as a distribution medium, rather than shipping CDs.

    OK.. I'm done bitching :o)

    1. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can download all the tracks from Wired starting Nov. 9. So quit yer whining.
      -Karl

  59. Re:MPAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is one other **AA I can think of that isn't based entirely around the business of suing people (not to say they don't make /. readers angry)

    Their name, I leave as an exercise for the reader.

  60. David Byrne?... *Hmmmm...* by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    The inclusion of a David Byrne track in this "freely distributable" compilation might seem more interesting when you bear in mind that a song of his ("Like Humans Do") was one of the sample tracks included with..... Windows XP.

    So are the forces are good and evil in a battle for his immortal soul... or is he just someone who likes to promote his music as much as possible?

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    1. Re:David Byrne?... *Hmmmm...* by Zoolander · · Score: 1

      I would guess that he just didn't knew what DRM was, and when he found out, he decided that he didn't like it.

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    2. Re:David Byrne?... *Hmmmm...* by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      If he was the one responsible for allowing Microsoft to use his work (I wouldn't automatically assume this), then DRM or not, I wouldn't have that much respect for the guy.

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    3. Re:David Byrne?... *Hmmmm...* by Zoolander · · Score: 1

      True.
      I hope my version is the right one, since I like his music.

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  61. Re:MPAA by the_weasel · · Score: 1

    Well DUH.

    Thats exactly what you form an association for. You form associations with like minded individuals to discuss, promote, organize and lobby on behalf of your interests.

    The association (in this case the MPAA) provides a service to its members. If you think the money they make from suing people covers the costs of thier operations you are probably too naive to walk outside without an escort.

    Members of the RIAA and MPAA pay for the priviledge of being members. In return they get access to a powerful lobby and promotional force, industry contacts and a library of resources relating to their industry.

    Everything they do is about providing a service. Let go of your anti-*AA propaganda long enough to have a look at reality.

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  62. Sampling versus fair use by pikine · · Score: 1

    IIRC, the US copyright law explicitly allow some kind of sampling as fair use. I don't remember the criteria, and there is a thin borderline between fair use and infringement. But impression has it that copyright law is more permissive than the proposed Noncommercial Sampling Plus license.

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  63. Not necessarily by phorm · · Score: 1

    Partially true. It could depend a lot on how the sample itself is embedded in your work. Is it a backbeat that takes up most of the song, or just a guitar riff in a given section? It's easy enough to clip out a small section of guitar riffs or even a 1-min section with a particular drumroll background - so long as you know where it is.

    If you really wanted "your" content to be open to sampling, you could make a statement like: the content between 1:25 and 1:51 is not open to sampling unless you acquire permission from ZTT (to use your example) on the original disc (since Mp3's etc might have slightly different lead-times and skew the sample).

    Oh, and of course the person sampling your samples could also petition ZTT for permission to use their sample, effectively allowing them to sample anything if the rest of your song is open...

  64. Ogg/Vorbis please. by reality-bytes · · Score: 1

    If I had to choose WMA, Mp3 or Vorbis it'd be Vorbis.

    Partly because It avoids being hit by patents just to play the tunes back and partly because the Vorbis codec offers the best quality/bitrate tradeoff (IMHO).

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  65. Fav Creative Commons of the record industry' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The recording industry has it's very own favourite Creative Commons. Just to name a few: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven.

    The industry loves them: they can record any of their works, without paying a cent of royalty.

    Very creative and very common.

    Eventually the best of the bests will all be free.

    Too bad the software industry creates such a fast fading value that by the time a commercial software could become Creative Common, humanity needs nothing of it.

    Isn't it ironic, that the world's richest man gets his riches by creating "stuff" that is totally worthless way before it could become Creative Common, while "stuff" that will stay with humans for hundreds of years might worth close to nothing now?

    Just a Random.Idea

  66. Bingo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, most "owners" of intellectual property are living the average lazy man's dream... work once, get paid forever. Let's do a little thought experiment and see why intellectual property is a problem.

    If nobody is working "today" and everybody is relying on their "past efforts," protected by copyright to pay today's bills... there won't be anyone actually doing any work today. And of course when that happens, we all starve, freeze, and become miserable, because no one is doing physical labor, which brings us such trivial things as food, electricity, and oil (i.e., heat).

    This is why intellectual property is a crock, and defending it is stupid... because geting things done in the "meat world" is not a one-and-done process; SOMEONE has to continually work to provide power, food, electricity, etc. In other words, without a steady application of work, there cannot be a steady creation of goods. For someone to claim their work is somehow much more important than anothers, such that they should be exempt from the requirement to continue to produce, is the height of snobbery.

    The concept of "Intellectual Property" seeks to break this fundamental rule of nature - stuff is begotten by work - by creating a class of "leeches" that want others to do the work to support their continued existence without continuing to work themselves (i.e., to buy copies of their old stuff so they can pay the bills).

    Now, I am not saying that stories, movies, music, etc. are valueless... but what I am saying is that just like everyone else, copyright holders need to keep producing in order to continue to be a benefit to society. That's the big problem with today's long copyrights. I'm beginning to think even 14 years of copyright is WAY too long. If you're not working, and continuing to produce stuff... you don't deserve financial support. NOBODY is owed a living.

    And this is coming from a published writer (very small electronic-only press), who's also a hobbyist musician on the side. (Creating IP is not my day job, but I do it on the side, and even I see that it's a socially disgusting thing to do - which is why after I make a certain amount of profit on each work, I release my stuff for free to anyone who wants it.)

    --AC

  67. You do realise by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    That you're posting in a thread started by a bozo who has no fucking idea about the different licenses, not even with CC there to hold his hand? You could perhaps pick a better example in which to make your point.

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    1. Re:You do realise by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot.

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  68. Featuring... by Rogerborg · · Score: 0, Redundant
    • The Beastie Boys!
    • David Byrne!
    • And others! [cue spinning montage of the Beastie Boys and David Byrne, nods to Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con]
      • Be still my beating heart!

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  69. I'm sorry but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who would actually *listen* to this CD?

  70. Re:MPAA by syousef · · Score: 1

    If you think the money they make from suing people covers the costs of thier operations you are probably too naive to walk outside without an escort.

    Oh shit. I gotta get to work and I don't have an escort.

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  71. Sampling != sampling, just like free != free by tepples · · Score: 1

    Here, "sampling" doesn't mean a 30-second free (as in beer) sample of a song. Instead, it means a free (as in speech) audio waveform and its underlying musical work available for use in your own derivative works under a CC license.

  72. He who has the gold makes the rules by tepples · · Score: 1

    Being the defendant in a lawsuit is not necessarily a problem. Being the loser is.

    Being smaller enough than the plaintiff, which in this case may represent all five major record labels put together, makes being the defendant equivalent to being the loser.

  73. That's fraud, and that's a crime by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid certain people will be tagging actually illegal-to-share content as legal-to-share.

    In the United States, it's a tort and a crime to falsify a license notice (17 USC 1202). A label would have even bigger grounds to sue people who fraudulently mark a work as CC licensed than it would against the average file-sharing app user, and investigation into such offenses would have the backing of both the FBI (for copyright fraud) and a State's investigatory agency (for fraud in general).

  74. CD-ROM troubleshooting by tepples · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you don't have mount(8)'s file system detection (stored in /etc/fstab) configured correctly. Try forcing ISO 9660 file system (RTFM) when mounting the disc. Also try reading the first few hundred KB manually with dd(1) (RTFM) to see whether the corruption is physical (CD level) or logical (file system level) in nature.

    Or is it an audio CD? I don't subscribe to Wired so I can't just look for myself.

  75. Even BSD? by tepples · · Score: 1

    If he was the one responsible for allowing Microsoft to use his work ... I wouldn't have that much respect for the guy.

    The Regents of the University of California are responsible for permitting Microsoft's use of the BSD networking stack in some older versions of Windows. Does this mean you've lost respect for UC Berkeley?

    1. Re:Even BSD? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      The Regents of the University of California are responsible for permitting Microsoft's use of the BSD networking stack in some older versions of Windows. Does this mean you've lost respect for UC Berkeley?

      Very cute... I assume you refer to the BSD licensing.

      If that *had been* what I'd meant, then ultimately Byrne would be responsible in any case, since he freely chose to sign a contract that (directly or possibly very indirectly) resulted in Microsoft getting use of his music.

      Following your reasoning, we can blame RMS and friends for *anything* done with GNU and other GPLed code.

      But we both know that's not what I meant. What I clearly meant was; did Byrne give some degree of co-operation with Microsoft's use of his track in Windows XP?

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  76. Copyright w.r.t. non-musical usage of music. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, not a very catchy title, but since I've no interest in music, it'll do.

    Last night I ambled into a popular pub to talk to a friend, and it turned out there was a pub quiz going on. Well, that's good fun, I've won a fair few pints like that myself, so I had my conversation while joining in with the questions. Then the music round started.

    What the question-master had done, unsurprisingly, was to take short snippets of a number of songs from a number of artists, and drop them onto a CD. The question was "Title and Artist". Easy money for the question-meister.
    But it occurred to me, `How would the copyright lawyers treat this'. I'd expect it to be a pretty clear violation - reproduction of the track in an identifiable form (the quiz is intended to be solvable); broadcasting in a public place (a bar, a popular one at that) with approximately 80 people participating in the quiz (and so actively listening) and a similar number just idling in the rest of the bar.

    But, thinks I, there is a point which might save the luckless question-meister from the wrath of the PRS (UK relative of the RIAA, for you TransPondians) - perhaps such usage is supported by the approximately £100/month that the publican pays to the PRS to allow them to play the TV, run the juke box, and present live bands. That would cover such "incidental" usage of copyrighted works, surely.

    I talked to a friend of mine - a Councillor who actually sits on the Licensing Committee - and it's confirmed, sort-of : every year they receive several complaints from the PRS about bars that have not paid their monthly tax, and as the relavent legal authority, they have to send warning letters to the licensee publican to correct this, otherwise the bar will immediately lose it's license to sell beers, wines or spirits. In short, to go out of business. So, the bar should have coverage for general "background music" type uses.

    Well, the average bar. But this one, in particular, has always made a specific point of not having a juke box, not having a TV, and not having any live or canned music source. It makes the place a good refuge when the football is on, and is definitely one of it's major advantages. So it doesn't pay the PRS fee.

    I think my question-master is up the creek without a paddle. (Which is why I'm not detailing the bar, nor the sport club he was raising funds for with his quiz.) Can anyone think of a workable defence for him, in the event that he did ever get sued over it?

    Applicable law is Scottish. Not British, and certainly not American. How different are they? - does the legal system you are familiar with only have two possible verdicts which a jury can return?

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  77. Re:MPAA by metlin · · Score: 1

    Don't think many people got it dude :)

    For the humour impaired - GN**

  78. Holy shit, you're right by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    That means we're both cretins. Hurrah!

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  79. Here's correct link to Comics of Creative Commons by KWTm · · Score: 1

    The link in the parent didn't work. I found the correct link at http://creativecommons.org/learn/licenses/how1.

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