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Battle Roomba Tractor

jazzstep writes "This article on MSNBC introduces an interesting new duo on the robotics front. iRobot and John Deere have teamed up to create a new battle-ready robot for the Pentagon."

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  1. the battle roomba... by bje2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They better hope that the battlefield doesn't have any corners for the "battle roomba" to get stuck in...

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  2. I am so confused by erick99 · · Score: 5, Funny
    So, we are going to vacuum clean our enemies into submission?

    "All your dust bunnies are belong to us."

    Okay, works for me.

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    1. Re:I am so confused by LegendOfLink · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, you ever seen Iraq? There's rubble everywhere! Somebody has got to clean it.

  3. Only one thing missing.... by mikael · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...They definitely need a strobing set of red lights that goes from side to side at the front of the car.

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  4. I don't get it.. by ID000001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why does it takes so much money to make a remote control car? Don't we have those for kids like ages ago for less then $100? Scales it up, still doesn't justify the high price.

    1. Re:I don't get it.. by se2schul · · Score: 3, Informative

      It isn't a remote control car. It has AI to make the decisions instead of someone controlling it remotely.

    2. Re:I don't get it.. by hansiboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I assume the money goes mostly to the reserarch of the autonomus part...

      the remote part isent particulatly expensive and doable with off the shelf RC gear and random junk + an old car as demonstrated in the rather bad quality clip on this page... http://jdfab.com/dp2/rccar.htm

    3. Re:I don't get it.. by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why does it takes so much money to make a remote control car? Don't we have those for kids like ages ago for less then $100? Scales it up, still doesn't justify the high price.

      First off, because a plastic toy that runs on batteries and an electic motor costs a whole lot less than something made of steel and a gas/diesel engine. Second, this thing can drive itself (computers, promamming costs). It probably has bullet proof armor, EM hardening around the electronics and a whole host of other things for the military version.

      Also, we are talking something that will sell maybe 500 in a year if they are lucky and more than liekly 500 period. Mass production rules don't apply unless you are talking at least 10,000 or 100,000 products in a manufacturing run. So the $250,000 is justified.

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  5. I was hoping... by soulctcher · · Score: 5, Funny

    it would transform too! Room-bots, roll out!

    1. Re:I was hoping... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Would you follow a leader called Vacuous Prime?

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  6. Maybe it's just me... by zanidor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does the idea of putting artifical intelligence into a killing machine make anyone else a little nervous?

    1. Re:Maybe it's just me... by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Does the idea of putting artifical intelligence into a killing machine make anyone else a little nervous?"

      Well it would have made me nervous..... back in 1974.

      I think such things are reasonably commonplace today, the level of automation on a modern warship such as an Aegis cruiser could easily be called AI. Same with Tomahawk missiles, Apache helicopters, unmanned recon planes...

    2. Re:Maybe it's just me... by zanidor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I mean when I say that AI in a killing machine makes me nervous is that the idea of relegating the task of taking human life to a _machine_ seems like a bad idea. One reason it seems like a bad idea is that they could flip out and start killing everyone in some sort of sci-fi horror scenario. But, like you said, AI nowadays is probably fairly safe. What bothers me more is that there are so many _humanistic_ considerations that go into taking life. If we eventually reduce killing to a cold-blooded machine process, it just makes it easier to do. Think of how easy it will become for the United States to start a war when the soldiers don't feel so bad about wiping out any number of people. Maybe killing someone is emotionally difficult for a reason... Like I said, maybe it's just me.

    3. Re:Maybe it's just me... by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, imho the problem with armed ACV's is that its putting all your eggs into one point of failure, the remote control system. If the entire command structure is gone, a soldier still has his wits to tell him what to do, or what not to do. If the automated command system has been eletronically compromised, suddenly you have a whole bunch of new charlies on your hands. The saving grace is that the maximum damage is equal to the maximum sortie deployment at one time - you can only hack that which is live. With missiles, this is minimal - missiles aren't in flight for very long (and besides, many can't do a 180 and attack home base anyways once underway). Ditto ACV bombers, but less so - they're in flight a little longer. But what happens when we've a 4000-head AVC minitank platoon?

    4. Re:Maybe it's just me... by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question is not whether AI can accidentally kill good guys, it's whether it can do it less often than a comparable human-based system. My guess would be that existing computer-based systems are generally safer or they wouldn't have been deployed.

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  7. Re:Watch out for the legacy behaviors... by erick99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a drivers seat because one of the three modes of operation is "manual," with the other two being remote control and autonomous.

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  8. Forgeting something... by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Asimov will twist and turn in his grave, what about the Laws of Robotics?!

    BattleBot and Robot.. they don't mix!

    1. Re:Forgeting something... by b0r0din · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's only one law of robotics...

      Kill John Conner.

      ok, and maybe afterwards do some vacuuming and make some chai green tea.

    2. Re:Forgeting something... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative
      Asimov will twist and turn in his grave, what about the Laws of Robotics?!

      BattleBot and Robot.. they don't mix!

      What the hell are you talking about? If you'd actually read the book "I, Robot" you'd understand Asimov's point with the so-called "laws of robotics". They were a not meant to be taken seriously. Nearly every chapter in the book was its own little story about how yet another robot goes haywire because of its slavish adherence to the three laws. He wasn't trying to present his laws as the end-all be-all of robotic ethics. On the contrary, he was showing the folly of depending on something as simplistic as the three laws. People need to quit parroting something they heard third hand and actually read from the source.

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    3. Re:Forgeting something... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the folly of depending on something as simplistic as the three laws.

      I always interpreted it as a commentary on another 10 laws that we hear so often about....

  9. Battle Robots IN the Pentagon? by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

    That's the obligatory response to any robot battles in the Pentagon.

  10. Misconception by coobachey · · Score: 3, Informative

    RC would be more fitting than robot status. This one will be controlled via human interface remotely whereas a robot having AI enough to maneuver on its own making decisions doesnt need a human at least for periods of time.

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    1. Re:Misconception by jedaustin · · Score: 2, Informative
      Guess you didn't read the article :)
      The vehicle, five feet wide, has three basic modes: autonomous, remote control or manually driven by onboard human operators. Depending on battlefield circumstances, the vehicle could be controlled remotely, freeing up the soldiers inside it for other tasks, Greiner said.


      Roomba, RC, Human Driven.

      Now all we need are robotic guns onboard to complete the 'So you decided to mess with America' clue patrol :)
    2. Re:Misconception by heli0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The vehicle, five feet wide, has three basic modes: autonomous, remote control or manually driven by onboard human operators. Depending on battlefield circumstances, the vehicle could be controlled remotely, freeing up the soldiers inside it for other tasks, Greiner said.

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  11. Heh by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reminds me of a bad film I once saw. Short Circuit had the cuteness that iRobots have... with John Deere traction! Maybe it'll evolve this way?

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  12. Makes sense.... by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the John Deere part chops the enemies up into little pieces, and the roomba part vacuums them up?

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  13. Fly before you can walk? by TigrOoOo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm surprised the military hasn't done this before. We already have drone planes that fly via remote. Granted, they have very little AI and only perform one task (reconaissance), but I would have thought that the military would have started off with a land robot/roomba/automated car. I can certainly see more uses for one, like if troops are pinned down in a dangerous environment, etc.

  14. Picture a porch in country by Illserve · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two old farmers, one chewing a stalk of wheat.

    "Abe, you gettin some new equipment for the next harvest?"

    "Yep, I was gonna get me one of them Aytonomous Assault Vehicles to help in the south field."

    "the 312?"

    "nah, the 412, it's got the bailer attachment on the rear gun deck."

    "John Deer always did make good AAV's"

    "hell it'll get rid of the varmints too"

    1. Re:Picture a porch in country by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nice redneck bashing, but actually robots such as this one will soon be used for crop harvesting. This will enable greater amounts of food to be made with the same number of people, thus alleviating world hunger.

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    2. Re:Picture a porch in country by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are relying upon an incorrect assumption: that world hunger is due mostly to a shortage of food. yes, technically hunger *is* a 'shortage of food', but what I mean is that there is food enough to feed people, but it just isn't going to those people. In many cases, such as in Swaziland, local authorities refuse to distribute food that is sitting in warehouses locally. Thus the food rots, and the people die. Not because there was no food, and not even because there was no food near them, but because people in power refused to distribute food to them. No matter how much food is produced worldwide, if it is not getting into people's bellies, it's not helping.

    3. Re:Picture a porch in country by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny

      World hunger is Bush's fault, not the Swazi people's fault. How dare you blame the victim.

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  15. Bad idea by Bluesman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Think of all the time it will waste killing people over and over again.

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  16. The way of the future... by D-Cypell · · Score: 5, Funny
    The R-1000

    Features

    • Liquid Metal Construction.
    • Ability to morph into any simple object (no moving parts).
    • Can travel back in time to eliminate your enemies while they are small, deliquent boys.
    • 70% possibility of correctly detecting corners or stairs.
  17. The Roomba Defense by bunratty · · Score: 4, Funny

    And in other news, North Korea has just started work on its new defense -- fringed rugs!

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  18. Wurnstrom! by freeze128 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "My killbot has lotus notes and a machine gun."

  19. But the most pressing choice is.... by stevedc2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will it be in Miltary green, or John Deere green?

    1. Re:But the most pressing choice is.... by theGreater · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sadly, as you can see here, many of their products are now copy Cat (har har) Yellow. Of course, it beats those abominable blue ford tractors. -theGreater.

  20. Hmmm by stimey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what OS that thing runs on and if it has wireless networking.
    You dont want the "enemy" to hack into the robots and send them back to attack the creators ?

  21. Re:Coming soon to a street corner near you... by Java+Pimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    The ED209 was a bouncer at one of our shows last year.

    Man, no one would piss with that dude!

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  22. Flying is easier than walking for machines by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Funny

    The drone planes can also attack remotely now (hellfire missiles).

    Flying is actually easier than driving because you don't have to worry about terrain and collisions as much. Take something as simple as a hill. The calculations and sensors to figure out that it's a hill, not a curb or other blockage, then figure out whether the slope is within climbing margins, etc, is actualy quite difficult. We're getting there, but people and animals have the equivalent of a supercomputer neural net trained for years just for processing visual information for this.

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  23. I for one by NotWallaceStevens · · Score: 2, Funny

    welcome our autonomous dust-sucking made-in-the-USA robot tractor overlords.

  24. And in a related story... by Perdition · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tragedy strikes as the military's "seek, locate, EXTERMINATE!" commands are accidently downloaded into every combine and tractor in North America.

    Maximum Overdrive, indeed.

    "Nothing kills like a Deere"

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  25. Red Flag by adsl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes this is a huge "wheel" forward for the military. But I understand that for safety reasons (running over of friendly troops) the spec still calls for a soldier to walk in front of the machine waving a red Flag to warn our troops. If, however, he sees the enemy he switches immediately to waving a Green Flag to crush our enemies.

  26. Good Idea by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Funny


    Apparently the DOD has put a high priority on frightening the enemy's pets.

    -B

  27. Crazy Taxi by Plocmstart · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Depending on battlefield circumstances, the vehicle could be controlled remotely, freeing up the soldiers inside it for other tasks, Greiner said."
    So you're putting your driver in a box somewhere behind the frontlines and letting him drive a vehicle full of people into what may be a dangerous battlezone, and without the full feedback of actually being there. Sounds like a bad idea to me, but if I get drafted I want that job. ;)

  28. Re:Too Wimpy but... by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course it will be small - don't you remember?

    The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots. Thank you. -- Military school Commandant's graduation address, "The Secret War of Lisa Simpson"

  29. Sales of the Roomba Virtual Wall has risen 146% by chamilto0516 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In response to this recent product announcement several middle eastern countries have purchased large quantities of the Roomba Virtual Wall accessories and it is rumored that these are being installed along territory borders.

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  30. Re:Great for them by Leebert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    /me decides to wait for robotic appliances not produced by a company making military gear.

    Great idea.

    Don't forget to not use GPS.
    Oh, and don't forget that you can't get on a plane manufactured by Boeing. Or any airplane manufacturer...
    Or buy a Jeep (or any car, for that matter)...
    Or buy office furniture of any type (or even shop at Staples, Office Depot, etc.)...
    Or buy a computer from Dell, IBM, HP...

    Because Lord knows we can't support the evil corporations who sell things to willing customers with lots of money. How dare they!

  31. Re:Great for them by JanneM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I need a navigation system I will use GPS as there is no choice.

    When I fly, I can select what plane I go on; again, little choice.

    Cars: actually, most car companies are not in the business of weapon systems.

    Office furniture and so on: again, they aren't creating weapon systems or weapon platforms.

    When I have no choice, I have no choice. Often, however, I do - as in this case. At that point I take my right to use my money as I see fit. That would include not using it for products from companies that are active in developing weapon systems or platforms. I see that as a pretty big (though not all-encompassing) misfeature of their products and I act accordingly. It's called capitalism; you may have heard of it?

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  32. Re:Great for them by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative
    I know, and I was going to buy a Roomba, too. Now I guess I'll just have to use an ordinary vacuum for a while longer. Oh well, I guess the exercise is good for me....

    Just so you know, iRobot was making robots for the military long before it came up with the Roomba. URBIE, the testbed that eventually led to the PackBot, was built under a DARPA grant in '97, fivr years before Roomba. If you're going to avoid a company for doing business with the military, you need to research more thoroughly. Otherwise, it's just posturing.

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