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FCC's Powell vs. Howard Stern on KGO-AM
Lauren Weinstein writes "Greetings. Tuesday morning on KGO-AM radio in the San Francisco Bay area, host Ronn Owens was interviewing FCC Chairman Michael Powell when Howard Stern called in. The resulting exchange was certainly interesting. The audio clip is available via my blog.
For a mirror of the mp3, sans all the anti-bush garbage, go http://www.blurr.net/mirror/powell-stern-2004-10-2 6.mp3Here.
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Try here and click on a link, though it's not the direct link the the Howard Stern segment. I think he comes in around the half hour mark.
but not the audio clip...
it's also linked on GKO's front page:
kgoam810.com
They have streams for Windows Media Player or Real Player
I believe that he has done that and has also encouraged his listeners to do the same.
nothing came from it though, meaning the FCC took no action.
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Same here. Can't find a transcript, but here is an article from the San Francisco Chronicle.
Actually, the FCC flip-flopped on the Bono incident. They originally deemed the context to be not indecent, then decided that any use of the f-word is vulgar. I don't recall (nor do I feel like searching for it) whether they decided to fine Bono.
Transcript of the conversation can be found on Jeff Jarvis's Buzzmachine.
(Sorry Jeff)
Here are streaming (media player) links:
http://www.sftalk.com/stern1.m3u - Part 1
http://www.sftalk.com/stern2.m3u - Part 2
http://www.sftalk.com/stern3.m3u - Part 3
If you actually read the related material you'd see he was appointed to a staff position by Clinton. Bush elevated him to the head position.
Stern: Ronn, hi.
Owens: Is this who I think it is?
Stern: Yeah, and I want to say hi to the commissioner and a friend of mine told me the commissioner said he was going to be on the show....
The commissioner has fined me millions of dollars for things I have said and consistently avoids me and avoids me and I wonder how long he will stay on the phone with me.
Owens: Go ahead and ask your questions.
Stern: Hi, Michael, how are you?
Powell: Hi, Howard, how are you?
Stern: Does it make you nervous to talk to me?
Powell: It does not....
Stern: All right, so well, I've got about ten zillion questions for you because you honestly are an enigma to me.
The first question being: How did you get your job? It is apparent to most of us in broadcasting that your father got you your job. And you kind of sit there:
You're the judge, you're the arbiter, you're the one who tells us what we can and can't say on the air and yet I really don't think you're qualified to be the head of the commission. Do you deny that your father got you this job?
Powell: Well, I would deny it exceedingly. You can look at my resume if you want, Howard. I'm not ashamed of it and I think it justifies my existence. I was chief of staff of the antitrust division, I'm an attorney, I was a clerk on the court of the United States I was a private attorney I have the same credentials that virtually anyone who sits in my position does and I think it's a little unfair that just because I happen to have a famous father and other public officials don't that you make the assumption that is the basis on which I sit in my position.
Owens: Caller already asked this question so move on....
Stern: So out of all the people that sit on the commission, you were moved to the head of the class. I don't buy your explanation but OK.
You know, the thing that amazes me about you is, you continually fine me but you're afraid to go to court with me and I'll explain myself if you give me a second:
Fine after fine came and we tried to go to court with you to find out about obscenity and what your line was and whether our show was indecent, which I don't think it is. And you do something really sneaky behind the scenes. You continue to block Viacom from buying new stations until we pay those fines.
You are afraid to go court. You are afraid to get a ruling time and time again.
When will you allow this to go to court and stop practicing your form of racketeering that you do by making stations pay up or you hold up their license renewal?
Powell: First of all, that's flatly false.
Stern: It's not false. It's true.
Powell: I'm afraid it is. There's no reason why Viacom or any other company who feels that they have been wrongly fined can't sue us in court. We have no basis whatsoever to prevent them from going to court.
Stern: You're lying. I've lived through your fines, Michael. And Mel Karmazin came to me one day and said, Howard, we're gonna have to pay up some sort of cockamame (sp?) bunch of fines that we don't we're wrong because we can't get our paperwork done. We are finding it increasingly difficult to boy radio stations. I know you're not telling the truth. And I question why you are selected to be one who is the FCC commissioner....
I'm going to Sirius satellite radio....
Owens: That's the question I was going to ask. Now he's going to go to satellite. One of the things that I read is that there are people who said cable TV, satellite radio, that ought to fall under the aegis of the FCC that content there...
Stern: Nobody's saying that... That's not going to happen. Michael knows that. This is the guise of the public airwaves. Michael's a Republican He knows that the marketplace....
Owens: By the way, weren't you appointed by Clinton?... No, no, no, no, he was appointed head of the FCC by George W. Bush.
Powell: Howard, the only thing I would ask is that if we're going to b
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I suppose that he could try to sue the FCC -- he did get fired over this stuff, so he's arguably an injured party.
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why doesn't stern organize mass complaint filings
He did.
He did.
then if the fcc takes no action on thousands of letters, he can genuinely talk about hypocricy
He did. That was the clip you were commenting on.
Stern was gone when Karmizan was replaced as COO at Viacom, the two had been longtime friends and allies for years, it was just a matter of timing and the right offer.
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Here you go > http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_10_26.htm l#008280
Ok, this is the link to the KGO radio archive, the Stern call comes up at about 30 minutes into it.
http://rope.kgoam810.com/archive/kgo09.ram
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Here is another mirror http://www.mundenisgod.com/powell-stern.mp3
you may view the oprah and stern transcripts here and decide for yourself
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Am I the only one that has a 'interesting' problem with the archive file? At around 29:30, right after a station advertisement, it cuts to almost silence... just a touch of noise. At around 30:10 there's a brief moment of softly played guitar music, and then silence again.
Silence continues until about 32:00
For those that want to make nepotism comments, keep in mind that Powell was appointed to the FCC by Clinton and not Bush
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"2 of the 5 in the FCC board that rules for the fines are Democrats" and "in fact, I was nominated by Clinton"
http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/
"The FCC is directed by five Commissioners appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate for 5-year terms, except when filling an unexpired term. The President designates one of the Commissioners to serve as Chairperson. Only three Commissioners may be members of the same political party. None of them can have a financial interest in any Commission-related business."
In short, Bush picked all of them (Powell was simply retained; the others were newly appointed - all but Adelstein in 2001, with Adelstein being in 2002), and he *had* to have at least 2 Democrats on there - so naturally, he picked Democrats with a strong interest in opposing regulation of media mergers and with strong opposition to "indecency". Clinton *had* to pick some Republicans, and hence, Powell.
"and was more than qualified"
Michael Powell has the least experience in telecommunications and media of all of the board members.
"When the Senate approved a bill allowing for increased fines to be levied it was voted for 99-1."
The bill was riding on a defense spending bill - voting against that would have been politically suicidal. So, it came down to what the Democrats could pull off in committee. They got the fines lowered from 500,000$ to 275,000$,
The amount fines were raised to (275,000$), and included a rider that rolled back a recent FCC media ruling (something Sununu fought tooth and nail to keep out).
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You obviously do not listen to the show (your previous posts about "accidentally stumbling on it" earlier notwithstanding). He doesn't say "f*ck", in fact, he doesn't say any of the seven dirty words, bleeps out callers who do say it, and generally yells at them until they stop doing it.
He follows all the concrete obscenity rules to the letter. The incidents in question all revolve around situations where he said things that were deemed to be indecent by "community standards", nothing that was clearly delineated as indecent or not.
The incident that caused Clear Channel to pull out was over a guy who was on the show talking about something involving anal sex. Recently, Oprah had a guest on who talked about that subject at length, and it regularly is a topic of conversation on Loveline, hence Stern's claim of a double-standard, where he's fined but neither Oprah nor Loveline are.
Yes, the show does go for shock value. However, it also has intelligent conversations. It's also often quite funny. And he doesn't say "f*ck". When I want just straight intelligent conversation, I listen to NPR instead (which I often do). The cool thing is, I have a choice as to which I like to listen to on any given morning. If I feel like laughing, I'll listen to Stern, otherwise I'll listen to NPR.
In the end, though, you're busy accusing Stern of doing things he doesn't do in order to make your point, however you don't listen to his show. I don't bash Rush Limbaugh's show because I don't listen to it...I don't know what I'm talking about. You might consider doing the same.
"The standards of decency are clearly defined. "
Are they? Where are they defined.
Can you give us the #1 tennent?
You are "talking out of your ass". There is no such decency standard. You're making it up.
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"...73 percent of respondents said a new government should have freedom of religion..." [1]
Also:
"57 percent of [Iraqis] said life was better now than under Saddam, against 19 percent who said it was worse and 23 percent who said it was about the same." [2]
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[2] Source [cnn.com] Oxford Research International National Survey of Iraq [bbc.co.uk]
No, he did a 180 before the fines. He read Al Franken's book and he really despises this administration. He's typically pro-Republican - Whitman, Guliani, and Pataki all had good things said about them on his show and at least Whitman said she credited Stern with winning in NJ.
He backed Bush on Iraq, thinking they were an imminent threat to the US. Now that he sees they were not nor were they ever a threat, he's done what a lot of people did and started questioning the war. Not long after, he was dumped by Clear Channel stations and not long after that, fined by the FCC.
Summaries here:
'Angry Howard Stern On Line 3'
Shock Jock Stern Crosses Swords with FCC's Powell
In this case trying to argue that the Howard Stern show was in the grey area between decency/indecency requires a complete departure from common sense.
Which side is he on, then, and why?
The standards of decency are clearly defined.
Oh? What are they, then? And if they're very clearly defined then you should be able to very clearly back up your response to my question as to which side Stern is on.
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I've taken the liberty of setting up a torrent of the clip. This is a version my friend found on the usenet and I'm not sure if it's the same one that was linked in the /. posting. This is a 24kbps MP3
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