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Caller ID Spoofing for the Masses

lolly72 writes "SecurityFocus has a story on a new U.S. website offering a caller I.D. falsification service. It's called Camophone. It's being advertised in Google ads that appear with search results for Star38.com, which was the the last service to try and make money off caller I.D. hacking. But unlike Star38.com, Camophone isn't limited to collection agencies and private investigators, and it doesn't cost $125 to sign up. Anyone with a PayPal account can use it, and at five cents a minute, probably will. Who do you want to fake out today?"

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  1. Somebody will figure it out by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I am assuming that someone will figure out who the owner(s) of this company is/are. PayPal would have some information but even that could be mostly false accept for an actual checking account number. Would a law enforecement agency be able to track down the owners?

    I am not a proponent of bigger government but I think that this is something that should be made illegal. Communication is too important to our society. It's one thing to block your I.D., it's a whole 'nother thing to falsify it.

    It is most likely a mistake for them to boast of their annonymity. Someone will figure out who they are and I am betting that more than intrepid hacker will take down Camophone's website repeatedly.

    We should keep track of this one for a while, it should get real interesting.

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    1. Re:Somebody will figure it out by SnowDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ever heard of Call-Back security? Any security that is based on Caller-ID is inherently flawed.

    2. Re:Somebody will figure it out by jessecurry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We really shouldn't be relying on a service that is so easily spoofable anyways.
      It has always been pretty easy to do this from a PBX, now it's just open to the masses.

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    3. Re:Somebody will figure it out by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. Saying I dont want to be track with caller ID is one thing. But giving a false record is open to a lot more abuse. Call some one up threaton then with someone elses number. So that other person will get in trouble. Telemarketers hiding altering their IDs so the call you and not be tracked via their telephone #. This is not a good thing. Being anonymous is different. The person who sees anonymous can make an informed decision to pick up the phone or not. But if the number is altered say their bests friends number but it is a telemarketer then they will pick up the form thinking it is their fried calling.

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    4. Re:Somebody will figure it out by erick99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your right to annonymity does not require that you provide a false identity. Then your rights would trample on the rights of the person or entity of whose ID you have stolen.

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    5. Re:Somebody will figure it out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do NOT have a right to anonymity when you call me on the phone that I pay for.

      Otherwise, I agree with your statement. Providing false information does trample on my rights.

    6. Re:Somebody will figure it out by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It has always been pretty easy to do this from a PBX, now it's just open to the masses.

      What amazes, and pleases, me is that so many of the people I don't want to answer the phone for withhold their number. If they gave the real number I might answer, but if they withhold it I don't (at least not outside office hours).

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    7. Re:Somebody will figure it out by abulafia · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Furthermore, for my part I'm sick of everything anyone does, anymore, being classified as "speech."

      A lot of people seem to feel that way, which is why the constitution is in tatters.

      One of the prices of freedom is that other people get to have it, too.

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    8. Re:Somebody will figure it out by EvilAlien · · Score: 2, Insightful
      PayPal would have some information but even that could be mostly false accept for an actual checking account number. Would a law enforecement agency be able to track down the owners?
      Sure... a bank account number is a grrreat piece of evidence. They have to access the funds somehow, either electronically so it can be transfered or applied as a bill payment to something, or physically get access. Those provide all sorts of great opportunities to track down the bastards ;)

      That evil DMCA thing might be all that is needed to get the investigation and disclosure of information happening, too... good times, good times.

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    9. Re:Somebody will figure it out by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would be a no-brainer for the phone company itself to to block the problem.

      It may be harder than you think. If I have a T1 between offices and use toll bypass, I may want 713-555-1212 coming out of 214-123-4567 so that they can reach me back properly. I may want to have different numbers for outgoing call centers from incoming call centers, and they may be in different parts of the country.

      It would be technically trivial for phone companies to fix the problem, but many large companies would be very annoyed, and you don't want to piss off your bigest customers.

    10. Re:Somebody will figure it out by bleifuss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the constitution, be it implicitly, grants me the right to annonymity. You're up in the night! Show me where in the Bill of Rights or in an Amendment there is anything about a right to anonynimity. I've never even heard of that concept. This problem with this service is not that it provides anonynimty. Individuals can still ask to not have their number and name transmitted when they make a call. My mother does that. There is your "right to anonynimty". This service provides a means of fasification. Just think of the Phising potential with such a service. I think it would most definitely be overthrown by the courts. They supported the do not call list. I imagine they will support any litigation against this as well.

  2. do this for free by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 5, Informative

    you can already do this using an asterisk pbx and a VoIP provider. Although once this starts being abused I doubt it will remain a feature.

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    1. Re:do this for free by exhilaration · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can do this with just about any PBX. And they'll never remove this feature because call centers make heavy use of it.

    2. Re:do this for free by DarthBart · · Score: 4, Informative

      Assuming your VoIP provider lets you set caller id. We've started implementing filtering that only allows you to set your CID to one of the DIDs that are assigned to you.

    3. Re:do this for free by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      for about 3 weeks back in 1999 I had the new PBX here reporting our outgoing caller ID information as "Touch my Monkey"

      we were setting it up, messing around and forgot to set it to the company information after we put it online.

      The Director of sales was, for some strange reason, not amused.

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    4. Re:do this for free by rmarll · · Score: 2, Funny

      "for about 3 weeks back in 1999 I had the new PBX here reporting our outgoing caller ID information as "Touch my Monkey"

      we were setting it up, messing around and forgot to set it to the company information after we put it online.

      The Director of sales was, for some strange reason, not amused. "


      That explains why the salesman refused to talk dirty to me. I thought it was just an agressive 976 campaign.

    5. Re:do this for free by RichDice · · Score: 4, Funny
      I've got a story like that, though perhaps a bit more grim than funny. (Though maybe funny too.)

      The hackers in my company were not given any test data to work with (of course) in a particular web app we were building, which had (among other features) an online events calendar.

      So, the hackers would make up data themselves. Which led to some fairly off-colour events being entered into the events calendar database.

      At a client acceptance meeting, the project manager demonstrated a "show all events through the web" feature and was presented with (among other things) a "baby raping festival".

      We were given a policy on test data creation after that.

      Cheers,
      Richard

    6. Re:do this for free by jerde · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Some providers allow you to set CID/ANI to anything

      CID, yes. ANI? Are you sure?

      Since ANI is used for billing purposes, including 900 numbers, I highly doubt any telco allows it to be modified.

      Camophone sets CID, but the ANI is the number of the line that belongs to Camophone. (Or whomever their telco provider is)

      Given that, it really really surprises me that anyone bases security on CallerID. I just successfully broke into my own t-mobile voicemail box using camophone, since I have the feature set so i don't have to dial my password if i'm calling from "my own phone."

      I also have a sprint phone, and I haven't been able to get in there, yet, but I don't know their voicemail system direct number, so I can't be sure. (I had to use the direct access number for tmobile to get the hack to work on them)

      I would HOPE that creditcard activation systems use ANI, not CID.

      How soon before ordinary plebes will be able to get ANI on their incoming calls? Or a new service that lets you forward your calls to an ANI-detection center that then places ANI on CID and sends the call back to you!

      I see some Sneetches whose bellies have stars...

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    7. Re:do this for free by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny
      for about 3 weeks back in 1999 I had the new PBX here reporting our outgoing caller ID information as "Touch my Monkey"

      we were setting it up, messing around and forgot to set it to the company information after we put it online.


      That's because all Monkey Touching at the corporate level is strictly reserved for sales people and other wankers. ;-)

      But, if *I* had call display, I'd certainly be intrigued by such an item displayed on an incoming call.

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    8. Re:do this for free by Your_Mom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would HOPE that creditcard activation systems use ANI, not CID.

      No, they usually don't. They usually use the CPN (Calling Party Number), which is not /supposed/ to be able set by the end user, but can be in certain circumstances with certain VoIP providers.

      Like you said, ANI is the Telco's billing number, it is just usually the same number at yours.

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    9. Re:do this for free by kgasso · · Score: 2, Informative


      > CID, yes. ANI? Are you sure?
      >
      > Since ANI is used for billing purposes, including 900 numbers, I highly doubt any telco allows it to be modified.


      I have a 23-channel PRI here from a local CLEC (utilizing it for inbound local DID numbers and toll-free DNIS numbers as well as outbound calls) who lets us not only stuff our own CID, but sends that as the ANI as well. Not sure if they even know they're doing this, although we have a pretty good standing business relationship with them, and we have no intent of using it for "evil" purposes.

      (We utilize sending outbound CID for sending the DID # of individual extensions behind the PBX, as well as the primary number of the "account" we're calling for... we're a call center for several ISPs. It's also useful for call transfers/routing from our PBX, as the original caller's CID shows up when we transfer.)

      The PRI that I have running into the same PBX from the ILEC (Qwest) only sets the CID, as expected.

      It's not overly hard to forge your ANI; it just takes some legwork and potentially a wad of cash. There is still an audit trail at the ILEC and CLEC switching facilities, too. I suspect if they start getting complaints about things being billed to wrong numbers, it's not hard to find out which one of your interconnects did it.

      -k

    10. Re:do this for free by DarthBart · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> Some providers allow you to set CID/ANI to anything > >CID, yes. ANI? Are you sure? > >Since ANI is used for billing purposes, including 900 numbers, I highly doubt any telco allows it to be modified. Yup. I have access to a DS3 worth of PRIs from Radiant and Global Crossing. I can set ANI on them to anything I want to all day long. I've also got direct access to CLEC's switch with an SS7 interconnect. I can do pretty much anything I want to. It could, eventually, be traced back...so I don't. The only thing "questionable" I did was light up 4 PRIs worth of calls to the 800 numbers set up for voting for American Idol. I wonder how far I skewed the numbers.

  3. Doesn't Work by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Informative

    I signed up for the service while this article was still in the mysterious future. Tried it out, didn't work.

    I got to file my first Paypal dispute claim!

    Seriously though, the website is just text and there's no contact info for anything.

    Scam.

    1. Re:Doesn't Work by redJag · · Score: 2, Funny

      How do we know this is really The_Rippa posting??

    2. Re:Doesn't Work by matth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Didn't work? Really.. worked great for me.. I just made about 4 calls testing.

  4. Oh no! by mconeone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now we will have scammers blackmailing businesses with the threat of sending falsified phone calls to the general public.

  5. It's just a web-site by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's all run off a web-site. Just DDoS it.

    Or /. it!

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    1. Re:It's just a web-site by tcopeland · · Score: 2, Informative
      Running an outdated version of Apache 2.0, too:
      [tom@hal tom]$ curl -sI http://www.camophone.com/ | grep Serv
      Server: Apache/2.0.48 (Fedora)
      [tom@hal tom]$
  6. Did Camophone get advance notice? by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of the /. story, that is? Their website is currently up (this posting will probably be the 10th or so), but is surprisingly minimal. No images at all. Plain, unadorned HTML. Not even a CSS file.

    I have a feeling they'll withstand the slashdotting.

  7. Telemarketing by Ambient_Developer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This could make telemarketing nearly untraceable, a company just uses a call center that utilizes this technology, and people will never know where the phone call is coming from. Imagine getting a phone call from a telemarketer, and it says 911 on the caller ID.

  8. Glad by alatesystems · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad this happened. I am so sick of people using Caller ID as an authentication mechanism. It has been so easy to spoof if you had connections before and is even moreso now.

    My cell phone doesn't even require a password to get to my voicemail because it uses caller id. Every credit card I've activated required me to call from my home number, verifying it with caller id. When I order pizzas, they verify I am who I say I am with caller id.

    It is ridiculous and is worthless as an authentication mechanism. Its only use is a convienience, to decide if you want to answer the phone. Lesson: don't rack up bills you can't pay :)

    Anyway, it's always nice to have another way to screw with your friends' minds.

    1. Re:Glad by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're mixing callerID (in the case of "voice mail access without password") with ANI (in the case of credit card activation)
      CallerID is spoofable, but ANI info is not. Any time you call an 800 number (or 888, or 877, or any of the other variants that are out now) your info is sent prior to the first ring. This is ANI (Automatic Number Identification? It's been a while. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got it wrong :) You can't disable this with star codes, or with the "Private Name" feature of callerID blocking.
      CallerID, on the other hand, can be enabled or disabled, and can be spoofed.

      Easy way to remember -- who's paying for the call? If it's you, then it's callerID. If it's the other guy, then it's ANI.
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  9. What's there to lose? by jtmas83 · · Score: 4, Funny

    With such a professional-looking website I can't see how this can possibly go wrong.

    1. Re:What's there to lose? by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someone should tell them they need to get a pointless flash front page or no one will take them seriously.

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  10. Creepy! by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 3, Funny
    As I was reading this, my phone rang and callerID read:
    Out Of Area
    1-000-000-0000

    So which one of you smartasses is messing with me?
  11. In Soviet Russia... by radish · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...911 calls you!

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  12. Doesn't work by OmegaGX · · Score: 2

    The call shows up to be from 425-789-4268 - it doesn't show the Caller ID info that I put in. I guess I'll have to file a Paypal claim too.

  13. OpenVoIP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These services are the harbinger of a dazzling array of VoIP services just over the horizon. Today's telcos need millions of customers to want any given feature before it's worth their while to roll it out, because of their monolithic architecture. While a VoIP service can be plugged into the VoIP pipeline by a startup, putting their feature server on the Neb, and accepting connections through open, standard protocols. Anonymizing or spoofing are just the kind of TCP/IP services we'll see. And since the infrastructure is much cheaper, and more competition can get started globally, the prices for niche features will be much lower than the rates for voice provisioning itself.

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  14. Can't wait.. by HanShootsFirst · · Score: 4, Funny

    to get a call from Jack Mehoff.

    1. Re:Can't wait.. by Red+Weasel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is the actual name of a DJ here in Colorado Springs. His parents were from Europe( Hungary I think) and his name is really pronounced like "jock".

      Needless to say the radio contests like "Beat Mehoff!" and "Can you jack Mehoff?" where widely considered rude until they found out that that was his real name and to get a life.

      It was still nice to see "Mehoff the intern" become Jack Mehoff the DJ.

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  15. Asterisk, Nufone and PHP... by cuban321 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This company is probably nothing more than someone running Asterisk, using Nufone for the PSTN service.

    A simple php script will dump a callfile into /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing and bridge the two calls together.

    Then all you need to do is write something to manage user accounts, and accept paypal payments and bam. You've got camophone.com.

    This whole configuration could probably be whipped up in a day.

  16. I also signed up... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Figured $5 through PayPal (and yes, it really was PayPal, not some spoofed tab or scam site) was worthwhile.

    However, even though their FAQ said it would be ready in 30 seconds, my account still shows zero minutes. Don't know if that's because PayPal takes a while to do the transfer, but I wasn't about to use a credit card with them.

    For what it's worth, their "Privacy Guard" service page looks like this:

    Camophone.com Home | Login to Privacy Guard | Frequently Asked Questions | Signup for Service

    Logged in: das
    Time Remaining in Seconds: 0
    Time Remaining in Minutes: 0
    Recharge Account

    Enter all phone numbers without a leading "1" and with no dashes or spaces. Example: 9095551212
    Caller ID must be ten digits to be passed properly through the telephone network. When the system calls you, the caller ID you set will be sent to you as well.
    number to call [recipient]: (format: NPANXXXXXX)
    your number [caller]: (format: NPANXXXXXX)
    caller ID to send:

  17. Don't talk to strangers by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why do we need the government, when our address books can authenticate the caller cryptographically? Unfamiliar callers should all be treated as untrustworthy until proven otherwise. That can be established through an automated web of trust, and callback, or shunted to voicemail or /dev/null. Distributed software is much better protection than the FBI, much cheaper, and doesn't come with dirty stormtrooper boots muddying up your foyer.

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  18. Spoof Caller ID From Home? by diagnosis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know for a while there has been a phreaking tool called Orange Box, which supposedly lets you spoof caller ID. But my understanding is it only works *after* the other person has picked up the phone, so it's not really good for much, or at least it's a lot trickier to take advantage of.

    Of course, there is a very cool software version of this tool: Software Orange Box, here. You enter in the caller ID details you want to spoof, and it generates the phone tones that transmit that data, which you can then play thru your speakers and to the phone, or connect directly to the phone for better results.

    Again, it's not a great spoofer, but it is pretty cool to mess around with.

    this is *the* faq on orange boxing.

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  19. When this works ''for real'' CID will die by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When someone offers a reliable, professional version of this service that's affordable to everyone, people will stop trusting Caller-ID and stop paying for it.

    You'll also see political pressure to regulate such services, mostly from the telcos who see revenue from CID drying up. Eventually, I think a compromise will be reached:
    You'll be allowed to spoof your ID, provided it's from a non-existant # or a # you have permission to use. There will also be a legal requirement to keep logs so the police or civil courts can issue subpeonas.

    Under such rules, people who want true anonymity will be forced to use international versions of this service which will show up as "out of area" or as an international #, or break the law.

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  20. Lack of traceability is the problem. by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ISP community has long had Acceptable Use Policies which forbid certain things (such as sending out spam). This is because when I get spam, I can fairly easily identify where it came from with the help of traceroute and whois, and its in the interest of the ISP not to have problem customers.

    Unfortunately there is no way for me to trace the provider behind that sales call with the caller-id of my mother's phone, short of obtaining a court order. Thus, there is no incentive whatsoever for the phone companies to enforce caller-id. If phone providers provided the ability to trace the call (hopefully voluntarily, or even by law), this would not be an issue.

    Traceability is what we need, that's all. Caller-id faking should be legal. But more likely what will happen is the lawmakers will make caller-id spoofing punishable by death and declare this a non-issue.

  21. The ultimate Joe-Job by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Hi, this is the Big Name Legitimate Charity, we're raising money to promote the glorious teachings of Adolf Hitler. Would you care to make a donation [click] hello? hello?"

    Word spreads, and Big Name Legitmate Charity's contributions dry up.

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  22. don't like who's calling..? by jspectre · · Score: 2

    guess what. the old fashioned method still works. just hang up on them. regardless of what CID says. duh.

    or. ever try screening with an answering machine..? that works well too!

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  23. When fancier technology doesn't do a better job by bluesangria · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Sheesh, despite the fact that I work in the IT industry I have only the most minimal service for telephone. We have a crappy 6 years old answering machine which we leave on all the time. The important people in my life know to leave a message and if we want to talk to them we will actually pick up the phone. You can *69 your call (or whatever key combo it is) until you are blue in the face. It won't make a damn bit of difference to me until I hear your voice and decide if I want to speak to you or not.

    Honestly, it's much simpler and cheaper than constantly trying to "one up" the next technological doohickey.

    Just my Luddite $.02

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  24. A horrible idea, real experience... by bstarrfield · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Folks, I'm all for cool technology, and I realize one can spoof caller id information. But caller ID can be a very good thing. I know...

    Three years ago I had the very unpleasant surprise of finding out my (ex) wife was having an affair. Unfortunately, she had also decided on using tactics designed to ensure her utter victory in the divorce. She'd actually purchased books (I saw them), giving her advice on dirty divorce tactics - "Divorce War! 50 Strategies Every Woman Needs to Know to Win." Apparently, one of the recommended strategies was to call your ex and try to drive him nuts - hopefully he'll say something nasty and you'll be able to bring it up in court, etc.

    Well, I realized what she was doing once I started getting anonymous calls at 2:00 - 3:00 AM. Strange, nasty stuff, weird messages. Technology was actually useful - the caller ID information allowed me to get a pretty damn good idea of who was calling. (Hint would-be-nasty-callers: remember to hit *69 before you call!). The police thought it was fun, too. Caller ID and outright stupidity saved the day.

    Look, in my case I wasn't directly threatened. it was cruel, it was viscous, it was nasty. But I was never in any danger. However, what if it had been something dangerous? When one's depressed, your willing to listen to anything - and when you see the ID comes out as "Police" or "Crisis Center" - you could be lured into a bad situation. This is real folks - stalkers are out there, I've seen and heard it.

    All technology can be abused, I know that. But in this case, let's try to prevent a service which provides fundamental identification information from being turned into something potentially dangerous.

    Incidentally, she pretty much wiped me out. Bummer. But all in all, it was for the best...

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    1. Re:A horrible idea, real experience... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll add some tips for guys looking down the double barrel gun of divorce.

      #1 - never EVER meet her without a witness. period. No excuses, nada...

      #2 - get a telephone recording device and install it. RECORD EVERY phone call. get in the habit of saying first thing. I am recording this.... if your state requires it, in michigan only one person in the conversation has to know it... you.

      #3 - at the first sign of things going wrong, get a GOOD lawyer, one that is specific to helping men in divorce, or the best lawyer in town. This is the best thing to do. Do not give her any money, have it go through the lawyers only and only if ordered to by a judge or advise to by the lawyers.. why do you want to finance her fight against you? you need an audit trail. I went the expensive route hiring the best lawyer in town... I ran and controlled the divorce. Secondly, if you file for it first, you are in the drivers seat.... beat her to the punch.

      #4 - document everything... absolutely everything. keep a logbook and write down everything that happen's and everything you notice.

      Finally, if you are going to hide assets, dont. if you did not liquidate things the second you thought things were getting a little wierd and before she/you left then you are breaking the law... The judge will fry your ass hard if you try to hide assets.

      Lastly you need to keep your nose clean. be perfect for the next year as things progress. act like you are being watched, (you might be) followed, (you might be) or recorded (you probably are). DO NOT be vengeful. this is the time to be the mature adult... if friends offer to do things tell them loudly "NO! are you crazy!" having them replace her taillights with burned out bulbs when she goes to the bar, let's air out of tires, puts a I hate F**king cops bumpersticker on her car and other things is a very bad idea. do not be a part of it and do NOT be connected to it.

      Finally prank calls using this spoofing service is also stupid. it is not worth it to lose over something stupid.

      I'll probably get modded offtopic, but if I can help a fellow guy from getting screwed hard by his soon-to-be ex.... then the points are certianly worth it.

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    2. Re:A horrible idea, real experience... by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Informative
      Install a recording device in your car and/or on your person. Someone I know was able to keep most of his stuff because he recorded the crazy stuff his ex-wife said.

      And if she's really crazy, have your friend bring a video camera to any meetings. You never know...

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    3. Re:A horrible idea, real experience... by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I also was in danger of getting screwed bad by a vindictive STBX. Excellent tips given here, to which I'll add my own:

      #5 - Know your enemy.

      Pay attention to your ex behavior towards you, towards friends, towards business entities. This goes a long way to predicting her tactics. While we were married my ex used to brag of manipulating public welfare - it was a foreshadowing to her manipulating the divorce system. She used to take joy in "getting even" with friends who stiffed her, then she predictably returned the behavior to me. Divorce is war, so take the approach of a West Point graduate - KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

      #6 - get a PO Box and change ALL your mail there.

      This is for security reasons. My ex stole my mail and attempted to open a credit card without my consent. I caught it just in time and put fraud alerts on all my credit histories.

      With a PO Box no one can access your mail except you, and the USPS clerks cannot retrieve your PO Box mail they will insist that you use your key.

      I went through a painful drawn out divorce (no kids, simple assets) and reluctantly followed all the tips given here. THEY WORK, GUYS! In the end the judge slammed my vindictive ex and totally vindicated me - thanks to my hotshot lawyer who provided evidence in court that she was delaying the divorce process.

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  25. It's Too Easy... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just use a calling card...

    I have a calling card that I got through WalMart. The caller ID comes up as Denver, CO. I live in PA. This is via my cell or my land-line...

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  26. Service DOES NOT WORK by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, I decided to see if a credit card paypal transaction would be any "faster".

    It did indeed show my account credited with 100 minutes.

    But the service did not work.

    I *really* *don't care* about the $10 I've now wasted; just wanted to see if it worked or not. :-)

    Anyway, there ya go.

  27. If you just want to hide your number... by AGTiny · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you just want to hide your number, not necessarily spoof your enemies, any calling card will do, like another posted mentioned.

    I use OneSuite as my long distance service because their rates are excellent. Caller ID from OneSuite shows up as either Unknown or some random out of state number.

  28. Login by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can login to check out the interface with their unguarded testing account:

    user: test
    pass: test

    No cash on the account, but fyi.

  29. SS7 - ANI by Qbans · · Score: 5, Informative

    No one's mentioned that Caller ID isn't really used for that much authentication. Let me give you a little bit of background on caller ID.

    There is actually two types of calling number identification one being the popular Caller ID which as we know can be manipulated and blocked and the other being ANI or Automatic Number Identification which the user has no (or minimal) control over. Caller ID is used for the little displays on your phone and can have a flag set to block it, as well as define what number displays usually on outbound or two way trunks for use with DID (Direct Inward Dialing).

    The reason the phone companies allow you to set your outbound caller ID is so when you are using DID, you can have people reach you back directly instead of thru the companies generic number. Now a little bit of background on DID: Mid and large sized companies use DID for everything, it's how everyone has a seperate phone number or fax number on their desk. It would be uneconomical for the businesses to bring in a seperate phone line for everone in the office, so they share them. So say for example a company with 100 employees would have a block of 100 phone numbers, but only 23 incoming phone lines, any number can come in on any one of those phone lines and the company's PBX determines which desk to route the call to. Pretty simple. So when an employee wants to make a call, again he can use any phone line, and the PBX sets the outbound caller ID to his real number so it's easy for people to call him back. Some phone companies limit you to what Caller ID data you can send them, (which makes sense that you can only have outbound Caller ID on numbers that are in your block.)

    ANI always knows the calling trunk, and location. It's what's used for credit card verification, 911, etc. You can't block it and usually can't set it. ANI is transmitted (amongst other things) over SS7, which is basically an out of band protcol (which actually does carry caller ID too) that is used between switches. Few companies have phone systems that speak SS7, or a link into the SS7 network for that matter, it's just not useful. Phone companies would crack down pretty hard on fake SS7 info, because they could loose money on billing.

    So in summary, Caller ID - not secure, ANI - A little more secure.

  30. Re:emergency services is gonna love this by yetanothermike · · Score: 2, Informative

    Emergency services should be using an e911 service with the telco that isn't caller ID. e911 existed before CID was in place and works in areas where switches are not capable of carrying the service. If the local setup is relying on CID instead of whatever the telco should be serving up you all are in SERIOUS trouble.

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  31. Re:haven't been monolithic for a decade by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

    Telco equipment is still "vertical": NorTel switches require NorTel plugins. The most important vertical "silo" is the telco itself, which might outsource feature supply, but users get all their services from the telco, in whatever bundles they integrate and sell. No third party service provision direct to the customer, integrated with telco equipment or services, has ever survived. Even something as simple as DSL was blown away by the telcos' extreme competitive (including legislative) advantages.

    VoIP is different. It's inherently distributed. Since it's entirely executable on commodity hardware with open source software and published standards, distributed interop comes first. So a component architecture is available for any integrator, even an agressive end user. Of course all that changes the marketing, customer service, technical support. Even the "customer care", integrated billing and customer service, becomes a necessity rather than a luxury, and gets pushed closer to the customer than in the proprietary telco model. Customer care itself can be an addon from a third party with aggregated niches around the Net.

    Sure telcos have slowly moved towards their versions of some of the features and architectures of VoIP. The ATM long lines network between COs is VoIP (for lowercase "i" and some value of "P" :). This callerID spoof is an example of the blurred lines. Those blurred lines will make transition to VoIP smoother, bringing the benefits of open interop to every user and provider.

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  32. Re:Until a few years ago, it pretty much WAS good by GreyPoopon · · Score: 5, Funny
    I expect within a couple years that credit card companies will be doing call-back verification - you call them, then they call you back AND send you a confirmation in the mail.

    They're already using the email. Why, just the other day, I received a message from Citibank telling me that they needed to re-verify my identity. They even provided a really easy-to-access web site for me to enter my card number and personal information, no sweat. The really cool thing is that I don't even have a Citibank card yet. Talk about proactive!

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  33. How to circumvent ANI by yetanothermike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Call the local operator and ask them to place your call to the toll-free number. Obviously this doesn't work with toll calls, but they'll do it for you on toll free calls. It's been a while since I tried it, since I have little reason to hide when placing calls, but it's surprising how often they have no trouble doing it for you. I was never even asked why I wanted them to place the call.

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  34. Re:So give me that... by rcw-home · · Score: 2, Informative
    So I want the ANI info in my CallerID line. Why is this hard, or why are the Baby Bells unwilling to do it?

    Because they didn't create a way to do it that was backwards-compatible.

    CallerID is sent as 1200baud FSK between the first and second rings. ANI is, for E&M trunk lines, sent as DTMF codes by the phone switch, or for BRI/PRI trunks, sent digitally with the other call connection information. DTMF incurs a significant connection delay - sending ANI plus DNIS (dialed number identification service, basically telling you which number the call was placed to) means sending 17 or more DTMF tones - so PRI is the preferred method.

    So ANI in its current form really only works with trunk lines. In some areas with some ILECs trunks can be analog (leaving you stuck with E&M DTMF) but otherwise you're looking at the expense of ISDN or a T1.

    The current CallerID protocol is flawed in that if you answer the call before the second ring, you don't get the CallerID information. I don't know why the telcos released such a flawed protocol or why they aren't interested in fixing it today. Maybe they figured that ISDN would replace POTS by now. Instead, as you mentioned, probably VoIP will instead.

  35. Re:Until a few years ago, it pretty much WAS good by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The system that 1-800 numbers and 911 calls is different than caller id. And yes, you could use a PBX and pick any random number. Kevin Mitnick (hypothetically) used it in his book to give a number like "x213" to make it look like a call was internal.

  36. Re:It's not that simple... by fatcatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long until someone puts all that in a cheap appliance (say a cordless phone base) so that the base screens calls and only rings the handsets if the caller is authorized? Or do they have that now?

    They did have it now. Microsoft made a 900Mhz cordless phone with this feature. It relied on computer software (the phone base had an RS232 port), but worked very well. I still have it laying around, but don't use it anymore as the software doesn't run on anything later than Windows 98.

    Microsoft should really concentrate on what they're good at: Hardware.

  37. Does anyone else think this is lame? by ctime · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe I'm just getting old, but doesn't this seem lame as hell? Sure it's fun calling up your buddies T-Mobile cell phone # and getting into his VM, changing his greeting to something ubscene..but..

    Doesn't this just seem rather weak? It's only fun for about 5 minutes and has been around forever. For me, it's like the equivilent of spoofing smtp headers. MAN, THAT WAS FUN IN 1994...

    I guess I'm just getting old and bitter.

  38. Tried the server, here's the results by KnightMB · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ok, I tried the service, basically cost $5.00 Results:

    1) Payment by paypal only (no problem for me)

    2) Service then lets you log in, but it's not secure (no encryption, wth!) so choose a temp password that you wouldn't mind someone stealing

    3) You enter the "target" number, your number then 10 digit caller ID string

    4) As soon as you hit submit, it does call you, calls the other number and bridge them together.

    5) But!! The caller ID string does not work. I've tested this with several land line phones, cell phones, etc. I always show up as "unknown".

    Conclusion:

    Allows bridge calls but does not produce the caller ID string you put in. So this service is a bust in my opinion.

    Case closed

  39. Re:PayPal by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but I'd *way* rather give a potentially crooked company five bucks via PayPal, instead of my credit card number.

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