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Kerry Concedes Election To Bush
WilliamGeorge points to this MSNBC story "that presidential candidate John Kerry has called George W Bush to concede the election. So it is over, and without a lot of extra fuss and recounts."
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Mod parent up - that's as close to the truth as I can articulate at this moment.
I'm fairly tired of the argument that it's not good for the rest of the world. The rest of the world can't seem to manage its own economy (see europe, and basically anywhere else that isn't the US, China, or South Korea). The rest of the world takes a calculated blind eye on terrorism, knowing that America will probably be the target and/or come to the defense of anyone hit hard. The rest of the world doesn't set much of an example for everyone else to follow.
Holy crap! This gets modded "insightful"???? This is flaim bait if I have seen it. What bothers be the most is the comment: "I call upon the world to harass american tourists anywhere they go. If they want a xenophobe isolationist nation, then let them stay at home in their rotting cesspool of shit." Bush may have won (and I'm not pleased with that) but by a very small amount. That means half the country, 56 million people, voted against him. Yes, there are idiots in this country, but not all of us! Asking other countries to "harras" us is the most stupid thing I have every heard.
He could have done that last night. It was pretty obvious that there was no way he could win -- Bush was ome 140k votes ahead in Ohio and it would be entirely unresonable to think that all 140k provisional ballots would be both valid and for Kerry. Furthermore, Kerry did not even have the argument of being ahead in the popular vote.
So, yes, kerry did the honorable thing -- but late.
I would have been interested to hear all the comments about popular vote had Kerry won Ohio (and the presidency), sinche Bush's popular vote margin would have still been much higher than Gore's popular vote margin four years ago.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Civil War
Won't happen. It should, but it won't. As soon as rumblings start to appear in the press, there will be another "terrorist" attack designed to keep the sheeple properly frightened.
I don't respond to AC's.
I live in Kalifornia. . . If I did not have substantial family ties here I *would* move out of state (in my case my horse finished first and I still hate my state). if you look at this map : http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/mapR072.htm
you will see that Proposition 72 was voted down (a Good Thing TM) by 50.9 vs 49.1%. Green is the 49.1% of the state. How the hell can anything be fairly voted on when 22% of the counties effectively control 50% of the vote. The ratios get even worse if you look at land area vs. vote%.
I hate^H^H^H^H greatly dislike how liberal my state is. But at the same time I greatly value my proximity to my family.
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So it seems that America gets the President it deserves
Go on patting your own shoulder for handling democratic elections well.
It is for sure great to be an American. Something to be proud of.
Crap shit fuck damn it all to hell.
Now we have a Senate, House, and Presidency all in control by the GOP. 11 states have banned gay marriage. Alaska threw all reason out the window and didn't legalize marijuana (which includes hemp, an amazing industrial plant). I must say, these next four years (and definitely the next two) are going to suck... big time.
I apologize world, but my vote against W wasn't enough.
To all of those wishing to move because of Bush being voted.....put your money where your mouth is. I am so tired of people thinking the world is going to end and moving up North or over the pond is going to help you. I say go! Whats holding you back!? Call all your actor friends in Hollywood and take them too.... Sheesh!
There is no place like 127.0.0.1
There's apparently something strange in Lake Erie's water and caused a lot of Kerry votes. I wonder if Osama dumped something in the lake? [sig]See you looked, advertising works!
That's it. They lied. My vote didn't count. I had a mail-in ballot and they've declared the presidency before any of the mail-in ballots have been recieved. None of them counted. None of those votes matter. You don't matter.
And Kerry called in already to concede. Bullshit. You know what I want to see? I want to see someone dig up evidence that Kerry is in Bush's pocket. I want to see that he was the wrong bastard anyway. I want to see children screaming in the streets that they aren't going to have pencils or paper in school next year. I want to see a burst in the number of teenage girls getting pregnant, all because Bush is going to destroy Planned Parenthood's Take Charge program. I want to see those girls marching, chanting that their children aren't going to have a future. I want to see college students protesting that they won't recieve social-security ever. I want to see where the next bomb is going to be dropped. I want to see the faces of people who are waving Bush/Cheney '04 banners after their children don't have a place in America. Wait, those are all wealthy people holding those banners. They can do whatever they want--and your vote didn't count!
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crap this ideology adaptation did not go well
I think the north americans are fine. How the people voted in Bush? I cant believe that. More 4 years becoming the world in war, repression, and trying to conquer the world. Are you blind americans? Your economy is worst in your history, wars, young people die to your dumb president. So sorry USA. But I think you deserve Bush.
I'm all out of hope. I'm all out of energy. I'm all out of tears. The only thing I have left to me is rage.
If you voted for GWB, I vow to hold you personally responsible if/when my Marine brother is killed in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Syria/North Korea. I will visit my righteous anger upon you. I will have my revenge. Ponder that as you return to your narrow lives of moral complacency.
For the rest of you who voted for Kerry or some progressive third party, we need to organize NOW! Our best bet is to move to the solidly blue upper midwest and secede from the union taking most of North America's supply of fresh water with us.
Yes, the above is slightly facetious, and meant to be taken not entirely seriously.
Except the part about the rage. And the true root of that rage is that last night I witnessed the death of this country. America will never recover, and it stands a good chance of taking the rest of the world down with it. As a patriot, I find that unthinkable. As a citizen, I find it untenable. As a human being and a woman, I see it as a threat to my very existence.
You forgot work, MOST midwesterners have jobs and work hard 8-10 hours a day to feed themselves and their families and put food on your table, and the tables of half the world.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
Try reading the Constitution, bit-breath.
The loser calling the winner and "conceding" is a political ritual. It has absolutely nothing to do with who gets elected president.
There are more than two ideologies out there, you closed-minded fuck. You sit here and talk about being immature and pig-headed, then you assume every person in the country falls into either the "liberal" or the "conservative" camp. Isn't it pretty immature to think everyone is either a part of your little club, or an enemy? And isn't it a little immature to generalize with flamebait horseshit trying to lump everyone into a group based on one person's statement?
Not only that, but when the fuck did this become a THREAT? A threat is intended to intimidate or harm the person its directed at. Saying "this place is a shithole so I'm thinking about getting my ass to somewhere better" is an opinion on the state of affairs somewhere, not a threat, you pig-headed conservative jackass.
Am I a liberal? No. Am I a conservative? No. Am I a sheep? No. I find the candidate from whom I believe I will get the most benefit out of my vote and vote for him/her. I voted for kerry because I was praying my inbred redneck state wouldn't go pro-bush (which they did, by a landslide), but the rest of my ballot was primarily libertarian candidates, mainly because I wanted to support any disruption to the two-party, two-mentality, two-ways-of-getting-fucked-in-the-ass system that we have today.
This day makes me embarassed to be an american, and I wouldn't mind trying out another country for a while at this point. However, my family resides in america, and it's difficult enough already having to visit them flying from state to state. I'd rather not add a visa and higher chances of cavity checks to the equation.
> The constitution was writen so that people would
> not be abused by the government, ANY PEOPLE
So what about people who are disgusted by homosexuality? Why should they be forced by the government to acknowledge gay couples as "married"? Marriage is a an important concept in our society as well as in the legal system. A spouse gains many legal and social rights that are not available to even close friends. Why should anyone be forced to grant those rights to people in a relationship of such a perverted nature?
> I would certaintly say that homosexuals qualify as a minority group.
Then so do those who torture squirrels in their back yards, lust after eleven year old girls, or enjoy eating their own excrement. Because, you know what? That's what those people you call "homophobic" really think of gays. It's not a fear, it's revulsion. It's not hate, it's avoidance. And just as people avoid child molesters, drug users, sadists, and other perverts, they want to avoid gays. Hey, they might
even want the word "gay" back to its original meaning! Why should you let the government force gays and their ways upon the recoiling society?
> Just because its a democracy doesn't mean that
> the whatever the majority says goes.
Sorry. Democracy is majority rule by definition. If you want to be special, it is not a democracy any more. It's an aristocracy. Ours is an aristocracy of pull - if you can contribute enough money to your friends in Washington, you can do pretty much anything you want.
> And god help us if it ever does start working like that.
If you keep advocating legalisation of gay marriage, God will most certainly want nothing to do with you.
I'll gladly rip out your children's HEARTS and EAT THEM.
Delicious!
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
OK I have been trying to avoid this discussion, but I am so tired of this.
We Americans didn't create the problems in the Middle East. Europe did. By pulling the Ootoman empire into WW1 and then having France and GB chop up the Middle East allong boundries that made absolutly no sense they firmly set the foundation for unrest. Then, by cutting and running when things got hot in their new "colonies" they ensured a perpetual mess.
So I think that it is time for Europe to stand up and take some responsibility for the situation instead of just finger pointing.
Acutally, I kinda hope that Rudy Giuliani runs in 2008. I know that the socialists will nominate Hillary "Neither my husband or I swallow" Clinton for their "man". Rudy can stand up to her, and not be beaten up by her attacks.
-- Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Go Bush, i told you all he would win, kerry sucks, he's ugly, stupid, and gives me and my wife the creeps. His wife loves ketsup a little too much, and probably has a flask full of 57 sause. but that's just my two cents, and i'm looking forward to the next 4 years with bush, and many more raises cause he's my boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss!!! and i like him cause we both like baseball, and know what lambeau field is.
President Bush Supporter
> and you americans have played a BIG part in it by supporting dictators like saddam hussein, saudi and the rest
So we gave Saddam a little satillite info on the Iranians (also dictator-ruled). Its the oh-so-enlightened Europeans who have been kissing Saddam's ass for the past decade.
And Saudi Arabia has long enjoyed an amount of "Western" support. (Not that they really need it, as they're filthy rich.) What's changed under the Bush administration is that the Saudis are now having pressure put on them, are slated to have some elections, and were/are deadset against the liberation of Iraq.
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Many Bush supporters polled indicated that they believe Iraq had WMD... But it's depressing to see people who have been lied to acting on those lies as if it were the right thing to do.
It's easy to say that the American public had been "lied to" or misled after the fairly exhaustive investigation had completed.
Based on intelligence (pun inherently intended) available at the time, it was very likely that Iraq had WMDs or had the capability and plans to develop them. I find it irritating when folks immediately call Bush a liar for the reasons he decided to take us to war with Iraq. He was undoubtedly unclear, and probably even exaggerated as to the probability of WMDs existing in Iraq, but this after-the-fact name calling is about as intelligent as calling someone who said Kerry was going to win the election a couple days ago a liar today for doing so (even though it looked as though he had a very good chance).
Disclaimer: I voted Nader.
"I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
SoCalDem has done a statistical analysis... ...on several swing states, and EVERY STATE that has EVoting but no paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results.
In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their EVoting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error.
So, we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits
vs.
A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.
Maybe Dubayah believes God will see him through this, but it's going to take more than blind faith to pull the wool over the data and the facts.
Wow, you and a lot of other posters are really having a hard time with these unequivocal election results, aren't you? Going so far as to claim that the blue states could/should make it on their own is pretty shortsighted and pathetic.
Did you really think that Lurch and the Brett Girl would win?
I guess you were counting on weeks of angrily disputed recounts.
I hope you get the treatment you so desperately need.
everything in moderation
>I wouldn't say there's no case for SOMETHING to be >fixed. Nice grammar. So what needs to be fixed?
Most successful eh? I guess all of those countries with lower unemployment rates, longer life expectancies, and shorter work weeks are just green with envy.
Yeah, especially since they're probably paying about 75% or more in taxes.
Also, according to this site,
and others I checked, the USA has lower unemployment than most European countries, so I'm not sure which countries you're talking about.
I actually support gay marriage, but Chemisor's arguments are sound, valid, and compelling. His opponents have not been as good.
And I see what you're trying to do there. But I think it is possibly to demonstrate significant differences between interracial heterosexual marriage and gay marriages. The reproduction argument, for one.
Again, I think we should allow gay marriage, but as a member of an interracial marriage I am a little yucked by your comparison.
everything in moderation
USA has become nothing more than a swarm of locust traveling from country to country, torturing, killing, and plundering everything in sight. You're to stupid to acknowledge that the rest of the world is beginning to hate USA. Electing Bush was a big mistake.
Looking at a map of which states that voted for Bush gives a good picture of what types of people you are. Stupid hillbilly americans that probably never traveled abroad.
I wont have sympathy when somebody bombs the shit out of you like your country has done to dozens of countries. Do us all a favor and stay the fuck away. Your country is oh so well so why not?
Nobody beleives that Hussein was even partially responsible for 9/11.
It is obvious that Iraq was a soft target for the War On Terrom (tm).
Look around at world and see the changes - Gadaffi for one seems a little less likely to cause trouble.
Sure DNK is being stubborn but it is talking with SK and the UN is taking some stand in Iran.
Change does not have to be direct to have an effect.
If you got a better answer for changing the mindset of the world leaders - enlighten us all.
Dude, get up off the couch and turn off Fox News and stop hanging out in the Rush Room.
...too much Fox News does this to you.
Remember guys, this is Amerika. Just because you have the most votes, doesn't mean you get to win.--Fox Mulder
I didn't realize pointing out factual parts of modern European history was troll. I guess that some European moderators are a little sensitive about the truth.
BTW I never said that we didn't make things worse when we came allong. I just pointed out who laid the foundation for our current situation
I'm Canadian, asswipe! And yes, your country deserves to be bought down. The world hates Bush and you morons voted for him again!
Meh.
GREATEST! TROLL! EVER!
You've provoked so many people by coming over as a complete idiot. It's almost as though Bush himself made this post!
Well played!
I was raised in the South and live in Boston, and I've lived in most states. IMHO, you're very wrong.
But whatever, good luck with all that.
everything in moderation
No, I don't understand why someone would vote for a president who promotes fear to boost his support in the polls, or why someone would allow themselves to be duped by this trickster.
I'm sure some of them would also vote for Mikey Mouse, as long as the candidate doesn't support gay marriage and gives me a teeny tax cut.
94% of Repubs and 21% of Dems voted to renew the Patriot Act
Oh, and marriage is a privilege, not a right.
Since when?...oh, and, by the way, so is driving...so let us tax drivers for the costs that society incurs because of their activities--say an additional 50 cents a gallon for gas to pay for the highways and the lousy air and an additional VAT tax for heavy vehicles/SUVs and gas guzzlers of 142%...hell, it works in Singapore, the HOME of the unrestrained free market and fully restrained civil liberties (Heaven on Earth for you ditto-holes and Libertarians--John Ashcroft's MODEL for the PERFECT Society) why not here?
Remember guys, this is Amerika. Just because you have the most votes, doesn't mean you get to win.--Fox Mulder
I was kind of hoping Kerry Would win - if only to stifle the end-of-the-world-ashamed-to-be-an-American whiners out there. Fact: we live in a virtual paradise, with unlimited freedom and nearly unlimited luxury, and all Libs can do is attack their own leader and hate more than half of their own countrymen. If you voted Kerry: congratulations you are as smart as the Hollywood elite who never finished high school and are only anti-establishment because the pop media deems it "cool". I was a liberal up until a couple of years ago. I saw an anti-war protester with a sign that said, "War is Bad" and I thought, "No sheet, how many bong hits did it take you to figure that one out". I noticed that many of you polled voted Kerry in this group. Don't worry, you'll have to grow up like me and face reality sometime. Then you will know you were wrong and embrace the truth about life, and be less hateful and more at peace with yourself and the world. Til then, try not to whine so much and look around at the bounty you share with your countrymen.
View any film of her during Clintons Presidency and pay attention to her eyes. When she is unhappy, that is one scary bitch! My wife, three daughters, and many other women think a female President has to have some redeeming qualities, Hillary doesn't cut the mustard.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
I dunno, its seems our country's morals would include fiscal responsibility, not controlling peoples hearts and how they might live.
Just because you can, does not mean you should.
On the other hand, there might be a funnier outcome to the current fall of the dollar value : just imagine that the OPEC countries decide to use the Euro instead of the dollar as a reference currency... Now *that* would be fun :-)
There is a well-thought-out "what-if" on just that scenario at by Richard Clarke (update) with the horror story further expanded at at this Canadian site.
A "real fun" scenario is, if the OPEC nations follow Iran and begin demanding Euros vs. dollars for oil, then there is a real possibility for US==banana republic (which it is beginning to resemble quite closely) economically, once the Saudis and Japanese and Chinese cash in all their dolloars for Euros. See a rather detailed analysis of how we got into this mess from Morgan/Stanley.
Remember guys, this is Amerika. Just because you have the most votes, doesn't mean you get to win.--Fox Mulder
I'm sure someone said this already, but you do know now the rest of the world will have very little sympathy when you get another 'terrorist bombing'.
... and as such, not complain if they get killed by the enemy.
... well.
Previously America could run with the forgiving line that they didn't consent to what George was doing, but now -- well, you've given your support to the war on terror. -- It was made very clear before the election that your enemy (ie. terrorists) consider civilians players in this war, each and every person living in america who voted BUSH now should consider themselves a soldier in this war
At least there's a nice map published on CNN, so terrorists will know which states support the war (shown in a fitting color of red), so they'll be able to target their attacks on those states. New York and Washington are blue, so I hope the terrorists have enough manners not to target them -- but if you live in Florida
Good luck, and all the best in beating the terrorists, it looks like you'll need it.
Normally any post containing the words "FUCK YOU ALL" in all caps would land you in my "foes" list for such a rant.
/. karma for quite some time now.
In this case, however, you're entirely correct.
The two biggest reasons given, and the obvious one implied, for Bush support are:
Given Reason: Terrorism- Bush hasn't done fuckall about it. OBL is still walking around making tapes and planning shit. Get ready to spend the next 4 years at the top of that idiot color scale. -- Verdict: Stupidity
Given Reason: "Moral Issues-" If you voted for the presdident for the sake of making sure your morality gets put into law, then you are probably a Christian, and definitely a douchebag. I'd be more than happy to nail you to a cross myself, then you wouldn't have to suffer the 'immorality' of leaving people alone to live how they want when they aren't fucking hurting anyone, and WE wouldn't have to be dealing with you injecting your pap into the already fucked-up world of politics.
Verdict: Stupid Christian Douchebaggery
Implied Reason: Party Affiliation- This one is so stupid, I doubt anyone who doesn't dance around the room going "I got mail, Lady! Yaaay!" would admit it to the exit pollers. That doesn't mean there weren't any who voted that way DESPITE recognizing the idiocy of it.
Vertict: Stupidity.
That's my take on it. Stupid Xian douchebags make up the better part of the voting population in this country. Useless sacs of biomass, the lot of them.
Go ahead and mod me to oblivion, I don't give a rat's ass. I'm gonna have bigger things to worry about than
Apparently, you live in a city.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
...but it's okay to compare your love to the "love" involved in Brittney Spears' 15 minute wedding?
The government should have nothing to do with legislating love. Marriage, in a government sense, is just a set of economic stipulations and other allowances (like visitation rights). No marriage is the same - no one is in favor of the goverment "comparing" the love in yours with the love in anyone elses.
BTW, I've seen gay couples with ten times the love of many straight couples, so, to me, the way they choose to get off is none of my goddamned business. I don't care if a straight couple gets off with S&M or any of the other bizarre fetishes out there, so why would I care how two men or two women decide to get off? People are strange creatures - let them be.
Oh, and to any of the trolls out there: yes, I am a faggot-loving pinko who's contributing to the downfall of your society - fuck off, and thanks for asking.
As you could tell, he's more than a bit mentally unbalanced. He's taken to stalking me all over Slashdot. At first I thought that he was trolling, but this has been going on for about two weeks and now I'm convinced that he's really nuts. He makes untrue statements and, when confronted with his error, goes into maniacal, paranoid, psychotic ranting. This is a good example. He said that drugs in Canada were subsidized. I said that the price was negotiated without subsidies. I provided quotes and links to back up my assertion. And he went nuts.
And the really absurd thing about this is that I own two rifles, two handguns, and a shotgun and he's accusing me of being anti-gun.