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Origin of Cosmic Rays Revealed

neutron_p writes "An international team of astronomers has produced the first ever image of an astronomical object using high energy gamma rays, helping to solve a 100 year old mystery - an origin of cosmic rays. The astronomers studied the remnant of a supernova that exploded some 1,000 years ago, leaving behind an expanding shell of debris which, seen from the Earth, is twice the diameter of the Moon. Cosmic rays are extremely energetic particles that continually bombard the Earth, thousands of them passing through our bodies every day."

225 comments

  1. We've traced the cosmic rays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're coming from inside your house! Get out of your house!

    1. Re:We've traced the cosmic rays! by Bastian · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's safe. I bought an Ionic Breeze Quadra. It filters out harmful indoor air pollutants such as cosmic rays with the power of ions.

      It also cleans my laundry with the power of oxygen.

  2. Eep. by deemaunik · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Cosmic rays are extremely energetic particles that continually bombard the Earth, thousands of them passing through our bodies every day." I feel so Violated.

    1. Re:Eep. by tmacd · · Score: 5, Funny

      I probably shouldn't mention that 610 trillion neutrinos are passing right through your body in the second it takes to read this line, then.

      http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw13.html

    2. Re:Eep. by JanneM · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry - any day now they'll pass an amendment forbidding any bodily penetration except between men and women.

      --
      Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
    3. Re:Eep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes I know, but it isn't all bad, is it? I think you really found it quite
      pleasurable.

    4. Re:Eep. by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft, I eat nutrinos for breakfast... Oh um, sorry I'm thinking of fruiy O's. my bad.

      --
      it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
    5. Re:Eep. by kai.chan · · Score: 1

      any day now they'll pass an amendment forbidding any bodily penetration except between men and women.

      However, such an amendment won't concern any Slashdot readers.

    6. Re:Eep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You mean I can do anal penetration without prejudice??

    7. Re:Eep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, those laws are already on the books in Minnesota (and have been for years) - a state, that for most its history, has sided with the Democratic Farmer/Labor party.

    8. Re:Eep. by sik0fewl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe for you guys in the US, but what about the rest of us? We'll be doomed I tell you. DOOOMED!

      --
      I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
    9. Re:Eep. by jcr · · Score: 1

      The thing I have to wonder is, if neutrinos are so hard to detect, how do physicists arrive at such a figure?

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    10. Re:Eep. by krlynch · · Score: 1

      Because we have a model that says "If neutrinos have the following list of properties, then we should see the following things occuring in our experiments." Then we go look in the experiments, and we see "those things" occuring. Thus, we can say with high confidence, "Since neutrinos appear to have those properties after all, we predict with high confidence that thus-and-such a number are passing through you every second."

    11. Re:Eep. by jcr · · Score: 1

      How do you get from the properties of neutrinos to the vast numbers of them?

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    12. Re:Eep. by krlynch · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, you go into your neutrino detector lab, and you measure the number of neutrino interactions that you see in a certain amount of time. When you combine the known properties of the detector with the know properties of neutrinos (from other experiments that don't directly measure rates) with the rate of observed interactions, you can calculate the number of neutrinos that must have gone through the experiment without interacting in order to produce the number that DID interact. Turns out that that number is mind-bogglingly large.

    13. Re:Eep. by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Funny, I was going to blame Republicans, the DMCA, the RIAA, the MPAA or simply GW Bush. One of them MUST be to blame for any violation of privacy, aren't they?

      --
      -Styopa
    14. Re:Eep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry - any day now they'll pass an amendment forbidding any bodily penetration except between men and women.
      Which of course is reason yet again showing why science is the work of the devil.

    15. Re:Eep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are to blame and they are unpatriotic and they give comfort to terrorists. (Time to start talking like a Republican!)

    16. Re:Eep. by PeanutGallery · · Score: 1

      Hey, this can be our next great scapegoat! I mean, we've tried blaming our idiotic screwups on "I wasn't hugged as a child", video games, and people who think different from us... but that's all old-hat.

      For a new millenium, we need a new, bright and shining excuse... cosmic rays! "Your honor, my client is innocent of all wrondoing... cosmic rays made him do it". With that one I think we can avoid taking personal responsibility for what? like at least another couple decades or so.

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      -- Just another unsolicited opinion... from the Peanut Gallery.
    17. Re:Eep. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Hey, I've been blaming unreproducable bugs in my software on cosmic rays for years.

      --
      -- Alastair
    18. Re:Eep. by Cade144 · · Score: 1

      Well, it's simple really.
      Once some neutrinos own property, say a few acres of land in the suburbs, they can finally have a secure place to reproduce.
      Since neutrinos are really small, they can breed to vast numbers in just a small area of real estate. Soon vast numbers of neutrinos will be roaming the landscape!

  3. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Cosmos?

    1. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cosmos? is that like gay space? oh no...wait

    2. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, Doctor.

    3. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit Jim, you're hiding! Hiding behind rules and regulations. Get back your command. get it back, before you really do grow old.

    4. Re:Let me guess by also+aswell · · Score: 1

      Actually only 5 or 6 go through you per minute. And tinfoil will not protect you. For more information see my page for the Cosmic Ray Defelction Society of North Amreica, Inc. (krudzna ink) at...

      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1483/ozone.ht ml ...for more important information on deadly cosmic rays.

      --
      "Where did this apple come from?"
      --Alan Turing
    5. Re:Let me guess by Noofus · · Score: 1

      Watching cosmic rays enter bubble cloud chambers is one of the more fascinating things I did in a physics lab in college. I literally sat there the entire lab period watching little streaks randomly fly through the cloud. Fascinating...

  4. Not through these precious bodily fluids by thrillseeker · · Score: 3, Funny
    Cosmic rays are extremely energetic particles that continually bombard the Earth, thousands of them passing through our bodies every day.

    Not with my handy-dandy tinfoil hat.

    1. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Funny
      Tinfoil hat? I wear a neutronium helmet!

      Unfortunately, I've had to have a scrith-reinforced prosthetic spine installed, and I have to stand on a floor plate made of Xeelee construction material... Exotic matter comes with its own set of health hazards.

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    2. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by Short+Circuit · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sorry, they'd pass right through it.

    3. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by Silverlancer · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP! This guy knows his science fiction :P

    4. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to re-calibrate the chronoton field. Ya always gotta re-calibrate them chronotons.

    5. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by frizzbit · · Score: 1

      It better be pretty thick, made of lead and with plenty of shock absorption. The down-side of a hat effective enough to stop a cosmic ray in its tracks is that you would feel some of them hit your hat, especially the most powerful ones. The most energetic recorded cosmic ray ever had about 50 Joules of energy. That would feel like a brick dropped on a hardhat from the next storey up. Fortunately cosmic rays are stopped by our atmosphere before they reach the ground.

    6. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by duffahtolla · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse momentum with energy. Unless the momentum is there, the energy just gets dissapated as heat.

    7. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. Come back to me when you've read 'Gray Matters' by Hjortsberg. Then I'll respect your SF creds!

    8. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... when they're emitting from the main deflector array.

    9. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by frizzbit · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that energy is strictly equivalent to mass and therefore when you have a huge amount of energy moving along this is equivalent to some amount of mass moving along ie. momentum. Therefore, as far as I understand, the momentum is there to begin with. Where I might be wrong and maybe what you're trying to say is that it is very difficult to achieve an elastic collision between the cosmic ray particle and everyday substances like tin or even lead. To feel the recoil effect of a particle hit it has to transfer the bulk of its momentum to (one or more) nuclei of particles making up your helmet. But unfortunately at the tremendous energy of one of these particles I think they have no trouble penetrating atoms right down to quark level and further and almost always cause the atom to split into its constituent particles creating a "cosmic ray shower" of sub-atomic particles and gamma rays inside your helmet. I feel that under some conditions you could experience the kick of a supermassive particle but maybe these conditions are rare or very difficult to meet.

    10. Re:Not through these precious bodily fluids by duffahtolla · · Score: 1

      I always reply to these late, sorry.

      E=mc^2 does not apply here.

      There is no way you could ever feel a kick from a cosmic ray.

      There is conservation of momentum AND conservation of energy to be considered. These are conserved seperately.

      Consider a truck and an unlucky mosquito.

      The truck scooting along at lets say 100mph smacks a mosquito that was hovering.

      If we consider it elastic, the mosquito will rebound from the truck at an INCREDIBLE speed while the trucks speed is diminished by only the TINYest amount.

      An inelastic collision, while dire for the mosquito leaves the truck traveling again with hardly any measurable effect.

      lets leave the truck sitting idle and give the mosquito a little boost in speed.

      299 792 458 m / s * 2.5 milligrams

      A mosquito traveling near the speed of light
      will have a momentum of about 750 kg.m/s

      Lets assuming an inelastic collision. So the mass of the mosquito can be ignored since the truck is so much more massive. Legaly, an 18 wheeler can go as high as 36287 kg. ( If were can give a mosquito the speed of light, we can give the 18 wheeler a full load)

      (750 kg.m/s) / (36 287 kg) = 0.020668559 m/s

      So the truck seems to rebound from the collision with a blistering 2cm/s.

      btw, newtons laws don't really work for relativistic velocities, but what the hey, its at least close.

      So a mosquito traveling at the speed of light has an energy of:

      (299 792 458 m/s* 299 792 458 m/s * (0.0000025 kg)) / 2 = 1.1234 × 10^11 Joules

      A 1000 tons of TNT has about 4.185*10^12 joules

      Bob, the mosquito, has delivered about 27 tons-of-TNT of energy to the trucks windshield.

      This energy doesn't go away, but because of conservation of momentum it isn't transfered to the truck as a change in velocity (other than the 2cm/s we calculated). No, it gets transfered to the truck as heat. Lots of Heat. Enough heat to vaporize and destroy bob and the truck. Bits will fly everywhere so ofcourse we no longer have an inelastic collision.

      But this is okay since my long winded point has been revealed.

      An inelastic collision between a super tiny object and propertionately super large object will convert nearly all of its energy into heat.

      The mass ratio between a human and a cosmic ray is ridiculous. About 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms in the human body compared to ONE cosmic ray. ( Even one with an Iron nuclei is laughable)

      Even bob had a better ratio to the truck of

      14,514,800,000 to 1

      A cosmic ray's mass in proportion to a human being is more along the lines of a mosquito to a continent rather than a truck.

      So what about energy? An ultra-high energy cosmic ray has about

      (10^19) electron volts = 1.60217646 Joules

      This is about 0.38 calories, because of the nature of the collision, the heat generated on collision will immediately be adsorbed/distrubuted by the surrounding tissue and again, you wont feel it.

      Bottom line. Except for maybe a flash of light if it collides with your eyeball fluid, You will never physicly notice it.

      Tho maybe bob might notice a bit of a flush.

  5. hmm? by slarshdot · · Score: 0

    Who is this ray guy anyway?

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    I'm not out of order! You're out of order! The whole freaking system's out of order!
  6. CoralCache Link... by MoThugz · · Score: 4, Informative

    here.

    Enjoy.

    1. Re:CoralCache Link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no need to mirror physorg, its a se optimizers size made to withhold the /. effect.
      they copy press releases or steal articles and then submit it to slashdot

  7. Cosmic rays... by comrade009 · · Score: 0

    come from the cosmos. Like, duh!

  8. cosmic rays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cosmic rays are extremely energetic particles that continually bombard the Earth, thousands of them passing through our bodies every day."

    You mean it's like intergalactic spam?

  9. DO NOT PANICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The goatse man acts as a black, er, red hole and absorbs them making it safe for us.

    Except for the ones his wedding ring reflects, those are trouble.

    1. Re:DO NOT PANICE by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, you enjoy looking at goatse enough to have noticed that he has a wedding ring?!

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:DO NOT PANICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's just that he's wearing the matching ring.

    3. Re:DO NOT PANICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every once in a while, a comment like that reminds me why I keep browsing at -1: fucking hilarious shit!

  10. Kill it with laws! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Cosmic rays are extremely energetic particles that continually bombard the Earth, thousands of them passing through our bodies every day."

    WHAT??! We need to BAN THEM, like NOW!

    1. Re:Kill it with laws! by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      And then we need to topple the despotic regimes harboring the perpetrators of these particles, free their peoples and establish new democracies!

      --
      "Because Science" is one step from "Because old book". Try "Because of my experiment testing my falsifiable assertion".
  11. Here are some beautiful visualizations... by funkbrain · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Here are some beautiful visualizations... by hisstory+student · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's face it .. if it weren't for this, some people would never get a shower.

      --
      Heard any good sigs lately?
  12. Uh, no... by bokmann · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thousands of cosmic rays do not pass through our bodies every day... They are stopped by the atmosphere. Cosmic rays are actually fairly dangerous radiation. During the Apollo missions, Astronauts would occasionally see flashes of light as cosmic rays hit their eyes... they also left 'streaks' in the porthole glass.

    I think you are confusing them with neutrinos, but even then you are wrong... billions of those pass through us every second.

    1. Re:Uh, no... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Informative
      Thousands of cosmic rays do not pass through our bodies every day... They are stopped by the atmosphere.

      IIRC, when an energetic cosmic ray collides with the atmosphere, it creates a cascade of thousands of other high-energy particles that can reach us.

      When I was a kid, I saw a large gizmo on exhibit (maybe a spark chamber?) that showed each cosmic ray-generated particle going through it as a neon flash. It was getting hit every couple of seconds.

    2. Re:Uh, no... by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The curious thing about these muons is this. Muons have a very, very short half-life; they decay extremely rapidly. Even moving near lightspeed, they should decay significantly between (say) a mountaintop lab and a sea-level lab, because of the travel time on the way down, but they don't.

      It's almost as if time was slowed down for these high-velocity particles... and indeed this is the case. It's a classic demonstration of relativity in action.

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    3. Re:Uh, no... by mitchus · · Score: 1

      There is one of those at my school (Chalmers in Göteborg). Try not to think of it too much :)

    4. Re:Uh, no... by Donoho · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thousands of cosmic rays do not pass through our bodies every day...

      Damn it!. And here I thought I was being trasformed onto the Thing, when in fact I just need to pick up some tinactin.

      Thanks a lot. Though I was curious as to why the transformation was starting between my toes.

    5. Re:Uh, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then Enchaladas are my neutrinos

    6. Re:Uh, no... by Ancient+Devices+King · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hate to be picky, but muons are actually considered pretty long lived. They have a half life of over 2 microseconds. That sounds short, but it's a lot longer than a free neutron (for example), and it means they're really useful for probing materials.

      --
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    7. Re:Uh, no... by div_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hate to be picky, but muons are actually considered pretty long lived. They have a half life of over 2 microseconds. That sounds short, but it's a lot longer than a free neutron (for example), and it means they're really useful for probing materials.

      Are you trolling? Free neutrons have a half-life of about 10 minutes

    8. Re:Uh, no... by QSO_Wizard · · Score: 1
      Thousands of cosmic rays do not pass through our bodies every day... They are stopped by the atmosphere.

      While the atmosphere does stop the majority of cosmic rays, a fair number do get through. As an optical astronomer, cosmic ray hits on CCD cameras are a constant source of noise in my data. Fortunately, they are easy to remove during image processing provided you take more than one image of the field. Just do a google search for 'cosmic ray' and 'ccd' and you'll find a host of webpages discussing this topic.
  13. Long suspected, finally proven. by Sheetrock · · Score: 4, Informative
    The wierd thing about cosmic rays is that despite their isotropism we noticed a great deal of them coming from our own Sun. Some went so far as to suspect 'dark matter', that theoretical material that accounts for the great chunk of the universe we cannot directly observe, as being either responsible for or made up of rays!

    In a way, it makes sense that they'd be partly responsible for the blue in our atmosphere -- the rest comes from the Sun bombarding the layers of gases up there. Sometimes science is just a way of jerryrigging loose facts together to create a plausible test or explanation for strange phenonema.

    --

    Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
    -- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.




    1. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by dnoyeb · · Score: 0

      "Try not. Do or do not, there is no try."
      -- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822.3.

      You are aware that this was actually spoken by Yoda?

    2. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 1

      Gee, and here I always thought that the blue sky was due to light refracting through water vapour in the atmosphere. And sunsets going red due to the change in position causing a different wavelength of light through...

    3. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
      And sunsets going red due to the change in position causing a different wavelength of light through...

      Not quite. The blue wavelengths are scattered, and that's why the sky is blue; that much is true. The reason the sun looks red at sunset is because its light has had the blue wavelengths scattered out before it reaches you.

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    4. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by wurp · · Score: 1

      Actually, sunsets look red due to particles scattering the light. http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/atoptics/sunsets.htm And the blue sky is not specifically attributable to water vapor, just to those same particles (viewing the scattering from a different position, as you said).

    5. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by RatBastard · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Not to mention that "Dr. Spock" is a real human who wrote books on raising children. "Mr. Spock" is the fictional Vulcan guy.

      --
      Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    6. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by Mr.+Grimm · · Score: 1

      Sometimes science is just a way of jerryrigging loose facts together to create a plausible test or explanation for strange phenonema.

      Sounds like religion to me.

    7. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Stop hurting America. - John Stewart"

      It should read:

      "Stop hhhhhurting America. - Jon Stewart"

    8. Re:Long suspected, finally proven. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it didn't change when better information came to light this would be a valid analogy. Science does however, so this isn't.

  14. *A* source, not *the* source by gnuman99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Supernovas are a source of cosmic rays. Not suprising. After all, they do go boom. :)

    What is more interresting than a source of cosmic rays is the source of the gamma bursts. Some background is here.

    1. Re:*A* source, not *the* source by Stevyn · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not a source. It's like going around a college campus and asking around for drugs. Eventually you'll find the guy who'll say "Alright that guys has 21% of a bag of weed, this guy has the other 13%, she has....

      well, you get the point. And when you eventually get to the narc who had the last 8%, you're the one that gets in trouble.

  15. The Terrible Secret of Space by l1nuxpunk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Space has a terrible power. We are here to protect you from the terrible secret of space. Do you have stairs in your house?

    Pak chooie unf.

    --
    Prontab.net - Porn for geeks. (nsfw)
    1. Re:The Terrible Secret of Space by back_pages · · Score: 1
      Mod parent insightful!

      I can use Google

    2. Re:The Terrible Secret of Space by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 1

      I should push you down the stairs just for bringing back that long forgotten memory. Damn you.

      --
      "No fair, you changed the outcome by measuring it!" - Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth
    3. Re:The Terrible Secret of Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Space has a terrible power. We are here to protect you from the terrible secret of space. Do you have stairs in your house?

      Oh my god. My PDP-11 is under the stairs. I have NO SPACE! HELP!

    4. Re:The Terrible Secret of Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have that tune in mp3 from mp3.com before they went kaput some time ago. It is a fun listen.

      Replying as AC to avoid the RIAA if TSOS is now a property of one of the record lables.... =/

  16. hey there Brother, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    who you jivin' with that Cosmic Debris - FZ

  17. Uh, YES by gnuman99 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Thousands of cosmic rays do not pass through our bodies every day.

    They are called muons. There is a lot more than a thounsand per day! And they can do A LOT of damage. Oh, and muons are produced from cosmic ray interractions in the upper atmosphere.

    1. Re:Uh, YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Muons are created by cosmic radiation; they are not themselves cosmic radiation.

    2. Re:Uh, YES by dragons_flight · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even in physics circles, they are both are refered to as cosmic rays. The muons, high energy electrons and other particles created in the atmosphere are refered to a "secondary" cosmic rays and the stuff traveling through space are refered to as "primary" cosmic rays, but everything gets called "cosmic rays".

    3. Re:Uh, YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But which ones would give me super powers?

  18. I see ... by kazoosandinstruments · · Score: 0

    Cosmic rays? Sounds like something out of a science fiction novel ...

  19. Powerful by vlad_grigorescu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These things are very powerful. The Russians have been conducting experiments on the sea floor for years and lots of them are energetic enough to go through. It's been assumed for a while that supernovas are the source of cosmic rays but it has been hard to pinpoint their origin, since cosmic rays can be deflected by magnetic fields.

  20. I have a question that's barely related. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's the highest frequency EM raidation that can be detected/measured with the technology we have today?

    Could there be massive amounts of EM radiation flying around the universe that is simple undetectable? Could this not be the "missing mass" that is conjectured in discusions of universal inflation and what not?

    Anyone know?

    1. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by A+Bugg · · Score: 1

      Um no. No matter how energetic a gamma ray is its never going to have any mass. And why has the parent been modded as interesting it's factually incorrect.

      A Bugg

    2. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was asking a question, not stating any facts. Maybe people just modded me up to help me out: so others could see my question. Thank you for your answer jerk.

    3. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by stuness · · Score: 2, Informative

      Missing mass:
      The missing mass is not really missing anymore. We know how much of it there is, where it is, and what it is not (!), just not what it is. It comes in two forms: dark energy and dark matter. Dark matter is clumpy, non-baryonic, non-interacting (at least with normal matter, except via gravity) stuff. Without it, galaxies, galaxy clusters, and larger structures probably would not have formed. Dark energy is stranger stuff. It may or may not be related to the cosmological constant or to the vacuum energy. Dark energy is a pervasive, evenly distributed, massless, but anti-gravitating thing. (It's equation of state is near P = - pho: pressure equal to the negative of the density.) Our current understanding comes largly from the fabulous WMAP microwave anisotropy data.

      EM radiation:
      If there were *lots* more high energy EM radiation in our vacinity, we would have detected it, not directly, but through similar mechanisms to cosmic ray shower production in the atmosphere.

    4. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by dragons_flight · · Score: 2, Informative

      EM radiation does have energy and by Einstein has an effective mass. In the very early universe, there was enough radiation to contribute significantly to the mass budget of the universe, but today we estimate it to be roughly 1 part in 10000 of the total mass in the universe.

      We can (relatively) easily measure gamma rays with a few MeV in energy. Once you get beyond a few MeV, single photons will interact with Cosmic Microwave Background photons and via pair production create pairs of particles like e+,e-. As energy goes up, these processes get really efficient so really high energy photons don't live very long (~10-100 kyr).

    5. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by cjameshuff · · Score: 3, Informative

      As the wavelength of a photon drops, its energy increases. Above a certain point (1.02 MeV), it becomes likely that the gamma ray will convert its energy into an electron-positron pair (with the excess energy as kinetic energy). The positron will most likely annihilate with a nearby electron and create two lower-energy gamma rays (0.51 MeV each). Today, pair production normally requires an interaction with a nucleus, but I think most high-energy photons in the universe formed elementary particles in the conditions following the big bang. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong...I'm not a physicist.) Anyway, such interactions would give us a way to detect and measure the amounts of super-high energy gamma in the universe.

    6. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by cjameshuff · · Score: 1

      I see you're a physicist (but of what sort?)...maybe you can clarify something. As I understand it, EM radiation has momentum, but not mass. It does have energy and can form an particle-antiparticle pair of equivalent mass, but photons themselves do not have mass. A beam of gamma rays will not have any effect on gravity...right?

      The references I found only referred to nuclear interactions causing pair production. I thought I'd remembered other causes, glad to see it wasn't just my imagination. I'll have to look around for more information...

    7. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by dragons_flight · · Score: 4, Informative

      Geophysics grad student actually, but I have had all the typical physics courses.

      Einstein really said E = sqrt(p^2*c^2+m^2*c^4), where E = Energy, p = momentum, c = speed of light, m = rest mass. For things that are not moving this reduces to the more familiar E = mc^2.

      Einstein also said, via general relativity, that gravitational fields are controlled by something known as the stress-energy tensor. In essense, it says that gravitational forces result from all energy, momentum and pressure in the universe (though mostly energy unless very high velocities are involved).

      EM radiation has energy E = hv, where h is Planck's constant and v is the frequency of light. It has no rest mass (m = 0), but from above we see E = pc = hv => p = hv/c, so it has momentum. Since it has energy it creates a gravitational field, and this field would be equivalent to a particle with the same rest mass energy. [Caveat: Because momentum also contributes to the stress-energy tensor, the fields are not actually identical but the momentum correction is typically small.]

      So in short a beam of gamma rays does create a gravitational field (though a very very small one for typically numbers of gamma rays).

    8. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by scheme · · Score: 1
      A beam of gamma rays will not have any effect on gravity...right?

      No, a beam of gamma rays will have a small effect on gravity. Since energy and mass are equivalent, gravitationally, replacing a object with it's mass equivalent in energy shouldn't make a difference.

      However, your beam of gamma rays will be equivalent to so little mass that it probably won't be measurable.

      --
      "When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it
    9. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's this little known theory by some guy whose name rhymes with fine wine. Anyway, according to his crackpot theory energy is mass.

      Gamma rays have (high) energy. I'll leave the rest as an exercise for the reader...

    10. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are retarded. Gamma rays have momentum which is not the same thing as mass, but then you would know that right since you obviously know his theory.

    11. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      You're correct that pair production requires a nucleus, but that's a much stronger condition than you imply. You see, if a photon decayed into a positron-electron pair, there wouldn't be any way to satisfy momentum conservation and energy conservation simultaneously. It *never* happens without an interaction with a third particle to allow for energy/momentum conservation.

    12. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by Tsalg · · Score: 1

      There is an intrinsic limit to the highest energy of a particle that can travel through the cosmic background without interacting with it, called the GZK cutoff. Something like 10^20 eV or about 20 Joule. Radiation above this GZK cutoff can travel at most ~100-150 million light-years before losing energy in such interactions. Just for neighbours (the visible horizon is ~20 billion lightyears away)

    13. Re:I have a question that's barely related. by Wizzy+Wig · · Score: 1
      What's the highest frequency EM raidation that can be detected/measured with the technology we have today?


      There's an upper limit to the RF spectrum, but I don't recall the exact frequency. At the upper frequency limit of RF type energy, a phenomenon called "popping" occurs - electrons are lost, and ionization begins.

  21. Angular diameter by Flexagon · · Score: 3, Informative

    an expanding shell of debris which, seen from the Earth, is twice the diameter of the Moon [unattributed quote from the original article]

    So its diameter is a function of viewing position. Sounds like angular diameter. That's still huge, though not as huge as M31 in Andromeda.

    1. Re:Angular diameter by Dr_LHA · · Score: 1

      Amazing that someone can be modded up to +5 Informative for saying.

      "Things look smaller the farther away they are".

  22. It still doesn't explain by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... how the "cosmic rays" can make Mr. Fantastic so stretchy.

    1. Re:It still doesn't explain by Zangief · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... how the "cosmic rays" can make Mr. Fantastic so stretchy.

      They didn't. Cosmic rays just activated the x-factor in the fantastic four, which would have stayed dormant otherwise, because they weren't mutants.

      "Normal" mutants get their x-factor activated naturally, during the teen years.

      (OMG, I can't believe I knew that)

    2. Re:It still doesn't explain by glowimperial · · Score: 1

      Or if the Thing's dork is made out of orange rock, either.

  23. But can I run linux on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh right it's a SOLaris...

  24. Blankety Blank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tinfoil hat? I wear a BLANK!

    Unfortunately, I've had to have a BLANK installed, and I have to stand BLANK... BLANK comes with its own set of health hazards.


    My version:-

    Tinfoil hat? I wear a small, plastic sheathing!

    Unfortunately, I've had to have a couple of rubber bands installed, and I have to stand uprate and erect for several minutes... Being a wildlife photographer comes with its own set of health hazards.

  25. Neutrino detectors are unbelievably cool. by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now that we've veered off onto neutrinos, let me point out how unbelievably cool neutrino detectors are. Start your journey via Google Images.

    --
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    1. Re:Neutrino detectors are unbelievably cool. by meringuoid · · Score: 2
      how unbelievably cool neutrino detectors are

      Literally, in this case. Very, very cool indeed.

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    2. Re:Neutrino detectors are unbelievably cool. by trixillion · · Score: 1

      neutrino.... muon.... sure basically the same thing. (sigh)

    3. Re:Neutrino detectors are unbelievably cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well, left-handed muon is the weak isospin partner of a neutrino. Of course, its Yukawa coupling to the Higgs doublet is obviously quite different...

  26. Cosmic rays and computers by osho_gg · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Cosmic rays are of some real practical significance in the world of computers. Cosmic rays are attributed as a reason (among others) for why sometimes we see unexplained behavior in Computers - mainly memory (RAM) where suddenly 0 bits become 1 and 1 bits become 0. These heavily charged extremely small particles have the property that they change the capacitance of parts of semiconductors when passed through them. This could change certain bits 0 and 1 (which are all stored as capacitance inside RAM and other places in computers) into 1 and 0.

    This has, along with semi-conductor material and process defects etc., led to the whole field of Error Correcting Codes in computers - where such kind of errors can be prevented by things such as parity bits and what not. This works on the presumption that the probability of such bitswaps occurring on two bits is very small compared to just 1 bit. So, high-reliability computing servers etc. always tend to use memories with good ECC.

    I have heard anecdotal evidence that IBM did some thourough testing of how such a behavior of bit-flipping due to cosmic rays changes at different elevation. When the elevation was high (7000 feet or so) - it occurred far more often then at the sea level. They did such tests below the surface of the earth and as they went deeper into the earth - such cosmic rays bit-flipping effect decreased but still remained. Only, after they went something like 40 feet or so below the surface of the earth - such behavior completley went away.

    So, next time you wonder why you are paying more for ECC-RAM - think of cosmic rays (and material defect and what not ...)

    Osho

    1. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Capacitance is a physical constant for a transistor. They do not change unless the physical characteristics of the transistor are changed.

      Computers work based on changing voltages and currents, not changing capacitances. Its physically impossible to change capacitance without destroying the transistor.

      Finally, cosmic rays are not "heavily charged extremely small particles". They do not have charge, and are not particles. Cosmic rays are high energy, short wavelength electromagnetic radiation- you can argue that cosmic ray photons are particles, but they are not conisdered particles in the normal sense of the word. And photons certainly do not have charge. When they strike a material, they can excite electrons, possibly even ionizing them, causing a change in charge stored in ram.

    2. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by Ralconte · · Score: 1

      Intel at one time was interested in studying the effect of cosmic rays in memory chips. The story goes(as quoted in any version of the Hacker Jargon list) was that they built, at great expense, a background radiation proof test chamber (you can't block all cosmic rays, just some). The end result was no benefit -- there is sufficient background radiation from trace elements in the clay used to make the chips.

    3. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by gralves · · Score: 4, Funny

      During my freshman years they were also responsible for every error on physical lab expirements. :)

    4. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by cjameshuff · · Score: 1
      I have heard anecdotal evidence that IBM did some thourough testing of how such a behavior of bit-flipping due to cosmic rays changes at different elevation. When the elevation was high (7000 feet or so) - it occurred far more often then at the sea level. They did such tests below the surface of the earth and as they went deeper into the earth - such cosmic rays bit-flipping effect decreased but still remained. Only, after they went something like 40 feet or so below the surface of the earth - such behavior completley went away.
      That sounds highly suspect. The sharp dropoff at that depth seems very unlikely, and there is plenty of background radiation even underground. In fact, unless you design specifically to prevent it, background radiation is likely to increase due to radioactive decay in the surrounding rock producing radon. Not as energetic as cosmic rays, but enough to make some noise in electrical circuits. (Disclaimer: I'm not a particle physicist...)
    5. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why we all live in basements......

    6. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by osho_gg · · Score: 4, Informative
      That sounds highly suspect. The sharp dropoff at that depth seems very unlikely, and there is plenty of background radiation even underground. In fact, unless you design specifically to prevent it, background radiation is likely to increase due to radioactive decay in the surrounding rock producing radon. Not as energetic as cosmic rays, but enough to make some noise in electrical circuits. (Disclaimer: I'm not a particle physicist...)

      Here is a summary of IBM's 15 year experiments with cosmic rays:

      IBM's research on cosmic rays

      I quote from this:

      The cosmic ray intensity is greatest at high terrestrial altitudes, and approaches zero under extensive shielding. IBM has conducted extensive field testing3 of components at high altitudes (10,000 ft), at moderate altitudes (5000 ft), at sea level, and under shielding of 50 ft of concrete. All elevated-altitude tests showed cosmic-ray-induced fails in electronic components. In all tests, the observed fail rate scaled directly with the cosmic ray intensity, over a total observed change of more than 1000× .

      There is also another related article at IBM.

      IBM's research on cosmic ray densities at different places on earth

      Osho

    7. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by darenw · · Score: 1

      Bad news, indeed, for those of us in Colorado! But it gets even worse when the altitude is one billion miles...

      Another practical consequence for computing is processing images from spacecraft. We keep plenty busy wiping out the little buggers from Cassini images http://www.ciclops.org/. For some combinations of camera filters and imaging targets, exposures can be a few minutes long - those images are peppered with little white specks.

      Would be interesting to see how the cosmic ray hit rate varies over time and distance - might be a good project for some post-doc. (Any astronomy post-docs out there?)

    8. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo. Every once in a while, someone on /. knows what the fuck they're talking about. I salute you!

    9. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by gtkuhn · · Score: 1

      As I've heard it, the energy of a cosmic ray (in sattelites in space... dunno about muons) can be enough to change the voltage in a small enough transistor to alter a gate outcome. I think this was discovered in satellites around the introduction of the Pentium I when transistors were getting ever smaller. This is why all new computers in space have to be "hardened".

    10. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by jcr · · Score: 1

      I wonder what happens to your bit-error rate if you put a 1/4" sheet of lead across the top of your server racks..

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    11. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      How many physics labs died on you?

    12. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard that Dick Cheney can stop neutrinos by looking at them crosseyed while chewing on W vector bosons.

    13. Re:Cosmic rays and computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unfortunately he is wrong about cosmic radiation being only high energy gammas.

  27. Might as well enjoy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the best that a poster on Slashdot is likely to get.

  28. Found some more info by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Went looking around for more information, and came up with this:

    http://www.pparc.ac.uk/frontiers/archive/update.as p?id=15U3&

    It includes a picture of the telescope array as well as a small image of the gamma ray map.

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    1. Re:Found some more info by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Informative

      Phooooey!

      It chopped the end off my link.
      I'll try again:
      Here.
      (The "Here" text above is DEFINATELY enclosed with correct HTML, and contains the full URL)

      Hmmmmmmm, now thats interesting.

      Slashcode is screwing the link up.
      I will just paste it exact in plain text - it is balking on the "&style=update" parameter of the URL.

      Here it is in plaintext:
      http://www.pparc.ac.uk/frontiers/archi ve/update.as p?id=15U3&style=update

      and incase all that fails, this is a working link to the archived issue, the HESS link is on the left hand side:
      http://www.pparc.ac.uk/frontiers/archive/issueInde x.asp?issue=15

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      liqbase :: faster than paper
    2. Re:Found some more info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It includes a picture of the telescope array

      From reeeeeeally close up?

    3. Re:Found some more info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I make mistakes. Don't we all?

      Everyone except George W. Bush, of course.

    4. Re:Found some more info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it's spelled 'DEFINITELY'. After your extensive HTML self-learning, perhaps you could take 5 minutes to polish up on, you know, English?

  29. You can't change the title ! by mishmash · · Score: 1

    Was this thread titled : "NASA's world wind". sites which have consumed the news feeds get confuddled when the title and link changes but the unique id stays the same... Perhpas something else happened?

    1. Re:You can't change the title ! by name773 · · Score: 1

      cosmic rays hit the server's non-ecc ram. after the ensuing trauma of rebooting the crashed server, the admins had forgotten the title to the article (which was lost in the fsck). they decided, "screw it, we'll just take the summary from another site, put neutron_p for the submitter, and title the entry 'Origin of Cosmic Rays Revealed'"

    2. Re:You can't change the title ! by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 1


      perhaps it was a duplicate post and the editors deleted it along with all the comments making fun of it?

      just a guess....

  30. Pictures? by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 1

    Are there any actual images of this? They said they captured the Cherenkov radiation -- there must be images somewhere.

    1. Re:Pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a bit surprised nobody seems to be referencing the German groups doing major work on the HESS project. You can find an excellent summary page here http://www.mpi-hd.mpg.de/HESS/. And yes, if you look under the "The H.E.S.S. Telescopes" link on the left-hand bar, the fourth point in the bullet list on that page contains a link to an example image of Cherenkov that is collected by the telescopes. You may be surprised: it's low resolution (960 pixels) compared to the cameras we usually think of. Using the separate images, the telescopes can determine the origin in the sky of the cosmic ray, and even discriminate gamma rays from muons. The flux of photons at this energy is so low that the telescopes actually collect the showers from individual photons. Once enough data is gathered, a sky map of gamma ray intensity can be generated.

  31. Oh, all right then, I'll do it. by Halfkiring · · Score: 2, Funny

    [In Eyeore intonation, with a heavy heart]:

    "I, for one, welcome our new supernoverlords."

    There. Somebody had to.

  32. I thought they came from the Expanse by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

    or maybe was it the Xindi?

    --
    printf($randomline(sigs.txt) \n "-- "$randomline(authors.txt));
    -- myself
  33. If you want to see cosmic rays for yourself... by SIGFPE · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...I have a web page describing how: here

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    -- SIGFPE
    1. Re:If you want to see cosmic rays for yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice! -- Very cool.

    2. Re:If you want to see cosmic rays for yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Very cool. That's definitely my next rainy-day project. I think I can get dry ice at the blood bank where I donate.

      By the way, the link in your /. post header returns an HTTP 401.

  34. Why I love science writers by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Informative
    Why do I feel like a first grader? From TFA:
    The astronomers studied the remnant of a supernova that exploded some 1,000 years ago, leaving behind an expanding shell of debris which, seen from the Earth, is twice the diameter of the Moon.
    Do they mean it subtends as large a portion of sky as does the moon? If it's 1000 light-years away, that would make it ...

    ((1000 light-years)*(size of moon))/(moon orbital height)

    across,

    ((9.5 × 10^18 meters) * (3,476,000m))/ (384,403,000 m)

    That's about 86 light years in diameter. Its average velocity is left as an exercise to the homebound.

    --
    sigs, as if you care.
    1. Re:Why I love science writers by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Some strange things about light: Astronomers get distance (in light years) using redshift. Redshift is the measured shift of a spectrum due to the expansion of the universe. The more redshift, the longer the light has been traveling through expanding space, thus the distance between us and the object is greater.

      BUT, it's not that simple. Redshift is really due to an integral of pointwise expansion wherever the photon happens to be. Since space is not expanding at a constant rate, we need to know how fast it is expanding at each point in space and time that the photon travels through. That can lead to some very strange results. If space is not expanding for most of the photon's journey, and then suddenly space right in front of the detector expands like crazy, you'll get a huge redshift, and infer that the object is MUCH farther than it really is. Or, if the object suddenly accelerates after it emits the photon, you'll think it's CLOSER than it really is!

      The point is, "x lightyears away" doesn't mean much. It doesn't mean the object was x lightyears away when it exploded, it doesn't mean it exploded x years ago and it doesn't mean it is x lightyears away now. You can get pretty close to any of these values by taking redshift and pluging it into some very complicated formulae, but of course, for 1,000 lightyears, this doesn't even apply... anyway, back to work.

      --
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      Africus aut Europaeus?
    2. Re:Why I love science writers by Indigenous+Cowbird · · Score: 2, Informative

      Without lifting a finger to check my facts (i.e., I might be wrong somewhere...)

      Objects 1000 ly away are inside of, or darned close to, our own galaxy. The distance to such objects is not measured by redshift, because a) they're moving in roughly the same direction we are, astronomically speaking, and b) redshift is used when measuring distrances in the millions or billions of light years; it'd be darned hard to measure the redshift of an object just 1000 ly away, even if it did have a redshift value that was in keeping with the Hubble redshift measurements.

    3. Re:Why I love science writers by jqpublic · · Score: 1

      Except that this is a nearby source in our own Galaxy and its distance is not determined by redshift.

      Regardless, your statement that "space is not expanding at a constant rate" is misleading. The Hubble flow is mostly constant at about 75 km/s/megaparsec (that's why it is called the Hubble *constant*). There are deviations from the Hubble Flow near, say, large clusters of galaxies, but those are well-mapped. Furthermore, deviations are monotonic--space does not "suddenly expand right in front of the detector."

  35. Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Their research, published in the Journal Nature on November 4th, was..."

    It's interesting to note today is November 3rd... hmm...

  36. Oops! by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Make that 172 light years in diameter.

    --
    sigs, as if you care.
    1. Re:Oops! by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 1
      Make that 172 light years in diameter.
      According my figuring:

      distance of moon is 3.84e5 km

      diameter of moon is 5.2e3 km

      light year is irrelevant for the time being

      1000 Ly * 2e3 / 3.84e-5 =

      1000 Ly * 5.2e-3 =

      5.2 light years

      That makes the average velocity 0.52% of C, which seems pretty damned fast (around 1000 miles per second) but doesn't seem impossible.

      So which one of us made a mistake?

    2. Re:Oops! by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 1

      Replying to myself, I see I did. I used 2e3 instead of 3.474e3, so I should have gotten 9.05 light years instead of 5.2. But I still think you dropped a factor of ten....

    3. Re:Oops! by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1
      We're both wrong! I didn't divide by the 9.5 in the meters/lightyear conversion, which may be what looked like a dropped decimal.
      #!/usr/bin/perl
      $lightyear = 9.5 * 10**18;
      $moondiam = 3476000;
      $moondist = 384403000;
      $size = ((1000 * $lightyear) * ( 2 * $moondiam))/ ($moondist) ;

      print "size: $size meters\n";
      printf ("%d lightyears\n", $size / $lightyear) ;
      ######
      size: 1.71809273080595e+20 meters
      18 lightyears
      --
      sigs, as if you care.
  37. Not unexpected by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was involved in a similar, but very much smaller scale, experiment for my MSc thesis (JANZOS), attempting to find detect gamma rays from the (then very recent) supernova 1987A in the Large Magellanic Cloud.

    So supernovae were a prime suspect source back then.

    We had three (not four) 2 metre (not 12 metre) telescopes with about 30 'pixels' each (compared to a few thousand for HESS.) (I actually worked on another part of the experiment, which used particle detectors to detect higher energy showers.)

    A significant problem is to distinguish between showers created by gamma rays and ones created by charged particles (mostly protons.) The charged particle showers are 'uninteresting', because the direction they come from is uncorrelated to their source - they move on curved paths due to galactic magnetic fields. Unfortunately, they are about 99% of the cosmic rays. We were not able to distinguish, so we had a large 'signal to noise' problem.

    There was a single telescope similar to these ones in the mid 80s (the Whipple Telescope, I think) which claimed to be able to distinguish by details of shower structure. (We didn't have the resolution, nor perhaps the light gathering power, to make use of this.) I presume HESS has built on this work.

    Note that this result does not necessarily tell us about the very highest energy cosmic rays. There is a change in the slope of the spectrum at (from memory) about 10^15 electron volts, so it is likely that different processess are involved on either side of this boundary. I think there were also theoretical reasons to think that supernovae could not accelerate particles to such high energies.

    As I recall, the models for acceleration generally required shock waves in a gas with magnetic fields. Particles could repeatedly bounce across the shock, getting accelerated each time. (Think of a ball bouncing between two walls that are moving towards each other.)

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  38. Article author is confused by farnerup · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Gamma rays are not cosmic rays
    2. Gamma rays do not cause Cherenchov radiation
    Primary cosmics rays are subatomic particles with extremely high energy. The most energetic ones have an energy comparable to the energy of a tennis serve.
    1. Re:Article author is confused by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
      the energy of a tennis serve??? WTF?

      Please translate that to something I can understand - like elbow bends with a full pint of beer. What kind of unit is a "tennis serve"?

      google couldn't handle "1 tennis serve in elbow bends", but it could do "1 mile per gallon in furlongs per pint", yeilding a happy constant I hadn't thought of before: "1 mile per gallon = 1 furlongs per US pint"

      --
      This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
    2. Re:Article author is confused by dragons_flight · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think he is confused, just over simplifying.

      Via pair production, gamma rays produce the same kinds of secondary particle showers that the far more common primary cosmic rays do. However, because of momentum conservation, the particle shower is much more tightly focused and produces a distinctive Cherenchov cone that allows gamma rays particle showers to be easily distinguished from cosmic ray showers.

      As noted in the article, the fact that gamma are currently being produced in the supernova remnant strongly argues that cosmic rays are also being accelerated there. The physics for this was proposed long ago, but no one has been able to directly measure it.

    3. Re:Article author is confused by Open_The_Box · · Score: 1

      Oh come on! That's basic pseudo-science! EVERYONE knows the old energy of a tennis serve unit! Just like it's obvious that asteroids come in fixed basketball, Volkswagon and Texas sizes.

      --
      If you can't think of something nice to say then don't say anything at all. No, REALLY.
  39. Cosmic Ray and DNA... by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Much like your own DNA.

    We all think that mutations happen daily, but that is far from the case. In fact genetic mutation is very rare because we have error correcting enzymes which travel back and forth on DNA strands correcting them as they change. Typically the DNA "code" is changed as subatomic particles rip through your body, just as you've explained with RAM.

    Yes, our DNA mutates. It doesn't stay that way however. Statistically there are more errors in a 300 page book then in a mile long DNA sequence. Actually there are about 0 errors in DNA because of this self-correcting mechanism.

    * Source: Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Ann Druyan and Carl Sagan.

    1. Re:Cosmic Ray and DNA... by dragons_flight · · Score: 1

      Actually, for humans living at sea level, ionizing background radiation (which would include cosmic rays) is only the second biggest source of DNA mutations. The biggest source are so called "thermal" mutations (roughly 40 times as common), which are the natural errors that occur because we are warm and stuff is moving around.

      Error correcting enzymes exist in all organisms because everything which is "warm" will have DNA errors that need to be corrected. Bacteria and other organisms that "like" to mutate tend to do a "worse" job of correcting thermal and other errors.

  40. Tennis serve by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Whose tennis serve, mine or that of a Williams sister? Wasn't there a credit card commercial where the Wack-a-Mole in the game arcade went into hibernation to hide from Venus Williams?

  41. YES, IT MAKES ME JISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  42. Cosmic Ray Experiences/Background by Michael+Snoswell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A long time ago (early 80s) I worked in a lab that used scintillation counters to measure biological activity (Background: you'd put a radioactively labelled (eg with tritium or C14)reagent in with the other cocktail for a test you're conducting in a little test tube. After say 5 mins you'd stop the reaction (say with perchloric acid), syphon off the top layer and put it into scintillation liquid (not sure what it was, but largely based on toluene) and put the vials into the scintillation counter which would have hundreds of little tubes in a conveyor belt and one by one drop the tubes deep inside the lead shielding to measure flashes of light as the isotopes decayed, hence telling you v accurately how much of the original substance under test had bound to the labelled reagent).

    Anyway, every few days the counter would go completely stupid, and every few weeks copletely bananas (a technical term). It turned out the major machine crashes coincided with all scintillation counters in the building going crazy at the same time. We had over a dozen of these machines (all different brands) and they had about 6inches of lead around the detectors, so that was quite some energetic particles we were getting. The all the manufacturers' reps said there was little we could do to fix this, unless we wanted to be underground.

    Talking to a friend at the local uni cosmic ray observatory (500+ scintillation counters spread over about a square kilometer), he said the more energetic showers were smaller in radius as the particles have less time to spread out from the initiating collision of a cosmic particle with the upper atmosphere. Usually they spread out to 50 to a few hundred metres across, with a massive cascade of all sorts of particle by the time it reaches ground level.

    Interestingly, the initial byproducts of cosmic ray collisions have a v short life which means they should decay before reaching sea level. However as they travel close to the speed of light the depth of the atmosphere is foreshortened (Lorenzian contraction) to only a few hundred metres deep - a simple proof of relativity in action (or likewise, time is going slower for the cosmic particles).

    It has been said that cosmic rays are the largest contributor to genetic mutations, beyond background radiation levels due to radioactive isotopes occuring naturally in the ground. Similarly, work place studies show airline hostesses/stewards have the far largest dosage of radiation of any occupation as they spend so much time above the bulk of the atmosphere. (Pilots spend less time in the air due to safety/fatigue regulations).

    I also recall reading that it's extremely difficult to work out where cosmic rays originate as they are usually charged particles that follow curved paths through space due to the small but significant magnetic fields of stars and the galaxy itself. Due to timing of shows hitting detectors we can easily measure the angle a particle was going when it hit the atmosphere, but the particle took a very convoluted path prior to that, so finding a close source (100ly) is significant.

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    1. Re:Cosmic Ray Experiences/Background by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice comment, however I remind you that HESS tries to measure only high energy gamma rays not all comsic rays.

  43. Muon Clarification by vlad_grigorescu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The cosmic rays that the article discusses are not muons, they are most often protons. The muons are what we encounter on Earth. The proton (also called the primary cosmic ray) comes in, hits our atmosphere, and a shower of subatomic particles is produced. The muon is the most powerful of these subatomic particles that is commonly produced. The fact that muons have a short half-life, and yet they can still reach us, has been cited as proof of relativity, and the idea that when you travel close to the speed of light (which these things do), time will slow down.

    1. Re:Muon Clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that muons have a short half-life, and yet they can still reach us, has been cited as proof of relativity, and the idea that when you travel close to the speed of light (which these things do), time will slow down.

      Unless you happen to be one then it's "OH SHIT". The funny thing about traveling close to the speed of light is by the time you see something you've already passed through it. But from the perspective of everyone else, you look like some old lady on a sunday drive in an Olsmobile. It's no longer Miss Daisey's Olsmobile *WACK*!!!

  44. Misleading header by forand · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is NOT the first gamma-ray image. I work on Glast which is the second generation of gammay observation satelites. EGRET was the most recent satelite to provide gamma-ray skymaps. Googled

  45. misleading by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Informative
    Both the PhysOrg article and the Slashdot blurb are misleading. They both imply that the origin of cosmic rays in general is a complete mystery. Actually only certain types of cosmic rays are mysterious. The Wikipedia article that was linked to explains this. The really mysterious ones are actually not the ones that this research is about.

    The group's publications page is here (click on observations section), but they don't seem to have a preprint of this paper. Nature will let you read the abstract of the paper for free.

    The research seems to be just a more direct confirmation of something that was already thought to be understood, but had never really been verified.

    1. Re:misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both the PhysOrg article and the Slashdot blurb are misleading.

      Considering that the article submitter merely copied text verbatim from the physorg.com website (and then neglected to provide attribution), this is not surprising.

    2. Re:misleading by esonik · · Score: 1

      You can download the Nature preprint in full text on the HESS project site. Scroll down to the "News" section and click on "preprint".

  46. It's clobberin' time! by HunterZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't worry - cosmic rays are a great source of super-powers such as stretchiness, spontaneous combustion, invisibility, and...and...Things.

    I'm surprised noone else caught the Fantastic Four reference in the "from the...department" line of the summary - it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the phrase "cosmic rays"!

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  47. Sensationalist title by djago · · Score: 0, Troll

    If I don't read wrong, the article is entitled "Possible origin of cosmic rays revealed with gamma rays". The word possible means "could be". This is cheap sensationalism.

  48. HAH, pathetic weaklings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every alien abductee worth his weight in anal probes knows you need to use adamantium....tinfoil won't stop the thought police satalites...

  49. Pfft... by crimson30 · · Score: 1

    Who cares.

    I want INVISIBILITY!!

    You know, come to think of it, Marvel was smart to make an Invisible Girl. I'd imagine an Invisible Boy probably wouldn't get around to much 'super-heroing'.

    1. Re:Pfft... by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      Nope, it would probably make the Fantastic Four something close to Hollow Man.

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  50. Origin of cosmic rays revealed... by isny · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's people!!! Cosmic rays is people!!

  51. Close but no cigar by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    These heavily charged extremely small particles have the property that they change the capacitance of parts of semiconductors when passed through them.

    Close but no cigar.

    The rapid passage of a charged particle deposits enough energy on nearby charged particles to jog them out of place - creating a sudden conductive sea of electron-hole pairs. These charge carriers are then swept away by the local field, becoming a burst of current.

    This affects memory and logic devices in two ways:

    1) It can suddenly leak away the charge stored in the capacitance of a dynamic RAM.

    2) It can momentarily turn "on" a transistor that should be off (even turning it more "on" than it normally would be, so its conduction swamps that of its turned-on partner in a totem-pole stage.)

    Leaking the stored charge in a RAM flips the bit - in a particular direction. Turning on a transistor that should be off may flip a bit in a flop. latch, or static RAM, or momentarily cause the wrong level on a logic line.

    Nothing to do with changed capacitance (although the sudden appearance of an extra conductive region does represent an increased capacatance on some nearby conductors).

    Cosmic rays (fast charged nuclear fragments) can do this. Another problem was alpha particles from heavy elements in the ceramic integrated circuit packages once used for memory and mil-spec ICs (which is why they disappeared). A third was alpha particles from the decay of radon gas. (Turns out some locations in Silicon Valley have a lot of radon.)

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  52. a nice description of the telescopes by twitter · · Score: 3, Informative

    here. They even have a picture.

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  53. Origin = Location, not Origin = why/how by mveloso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's funny that "origin" in this case is "where they're coming from" when the real question is "why and how are cosmic rays created?"

    There's a lot of energy being beamed about, and well, you'd think that it would stop eventually, but it keeps on coming.

  54. And the astronauts get cataracts early on by ankhank · · Score: 1

    http://spaceresearch.nasa.gov/general_info/OBPR-01 -245.html Abstract: Space Radiation and Cataracts in Astronauts "For over 30 years, astronauts in Earth orbit or on missions to the moon have been exposed to space radiation comprised of high-energy protons and heavy ions and secondary particles produced in collisions with spacecraft and tissue. Large uncertainties exist in the projection of risks of late effects from space radiation such as cancer and cataracts due to the absence of epidemiological data. Here we present the first epidemiological data linking an increased risk of cataracts for astronauts with higher lens doses (greater than 8 mSv) of space radiation relative to other astronauts with lower lens doses (less than 8 mSv). Our study uses historical data for cataract incidence in the 295 astronauts participating in NASA's Longitudinal Study of Astronaut Health (LSAH) and individual occupational radiation exposure data. These results, while preliminary because of the use of subjective scoring methods, suggest that relatively low doses of space radiation are causative of an increased incidence and early appearance of cataracts."

  55. And -- they can vote, too! by ankhank · · Score: 2

    http://www.technewsworld.com/story/36324.html/

    Le rayon cosmique qui a touché la mémoire d'une des urnes électroniques de Schaerbeek, ce rayon cosmique permettra de sensibiliser des députés encore acquis au vote électronique. ... An electronic voting machine error in a May, 2003, election in Belgium produced just over 4,100 more votes for the winner than there were eligible voters.
    The official review reduced this to exactly 4,096 extra votes and was therefore able to conclude that .... a cosmic ray perfectly timed and directed to smite the memory cell holding the 13th bit of the total for the microsecond it was stored prior to printing.

  56. ..../me slaps head by Matt_Joyce · · Score: 1


    "Astrium also proposed an alternative landing strategy based on technology developed for the US space agency's Viking missions, which landed on Mars in the 1970s."

    Why didn't they do this the first time ?

  57. Why don't you buy a book on Nutrinos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's very hard to explain this stuff in a post
    here. You have to read about it and even then
    you don't get it yet.
    But it's really interesting

  58. Where's the image? by 3D+Lover · · Score: 1
    produced the first ever image

    So, the point of this article is that they produced an IMAGE. Where's the image?? The article does not show it or mention anything about where one would go to see it. Sup???

    1. Re:Where's the image? by Tsalg · · Score: 1

      Good point - the image is in the Nature paper that came out today http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/dynapage.taf?file=/n ature/journal/v432/n7013/index.html

    2. Re:Where's the image? by Tsalg · · Score: 1

      Here's the image http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/03/supernova_ gamma_pic/

    3. Re:Where's the image? by Tsalg · · Score: 1

      Even bigger!! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0411/1713ma p_hess_full.jpg

  59. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are you talking about?
    Redshift is due to the differential of the velocities of the emitting body verse the body that recieves the radiation.

    Redshift is not caused by the 'expansion of the universe'.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, redshift over cosmological distances is due to the expansion of the universe -- the general relativistic expansion of space is important here, and you can't just use the special relativistic Doppler shift. See, for instance, exercise 29.5 of Misner et al. If space weren't expanding, then the observed energy flux of a distant luminous body would go like (1+z)^-4, where z is the redshift. But when you take into account the cosmological expansion of space, it actually goes like (1+z)^-2, which is what is observed.

      Of course, trying to attribute redshift to "Doppler shift" or "cosmological redshift" or "gravitational redshift" is hard to do in general relativity; you can't really cleanly separate the effects. All of them are calculated the same way, by computing the angle between the emitter's 4-velocity and the emitted light's 4-momentum, and comparing it to the angle between the observer's 4-velocity and the observed light's 4-momentum. In special cases, like flat or asymptotically flat spacetimes, you can make definitions to attribute the redshift to one or the other of these causes, but in a generic spacetime, this is not possible.

  60. Re: and on that note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Noting the Eyeore intonation in the previous post]

    An orange tiger suddenly bounces into the frame and starts singing "The wonderul thing about Tiggers... is Tiggers are wonderful things..." before the moderators manage to chase him off.

    That was close. Let's not let that happen again. Mmmmkay?

  61. Cosmic dose. by twitter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Thousands of cosmic rays do not pass through our bodies every day... They are stopped by the atmosphere. Cosmic rays are actually fairly dangerous radiation.

    Cosmic Radiation makes up about 8% of the 360 mREM annual average background dose someone in the US receives. See the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements NCRP 93, 1988, for more information. Murray's "Nuclear Energy" has a pie chart of all sources and might be in your local library. This looks good too.

    If you have a Sodium Iodine detector set and a scope, you can see it. Most common energies seen are around 20 MeV. They are big pulses next to the puny normal ones but you will detect one every twenty seconds or so.

    You are correct, however, to note that most of these particles are blocked by the atmosphere and that you do get dosed at higher elevations. A person at 80,000 ft. according to the lesson plan cited above, gets about 10 R/hr. Each hour that's five hundred times the dose you get per year on the surface, ouch. By comparison, plants have a cow if you get more than a few unplanned mR.

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    1. Re:Cosmic dose. by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative
      A person at 80,000 ft. according to the lesson plan cited above, gets about 10 R/hr.

      That's during a severe solar flare, which is a relatively uncommon event. Otherwise, we would have a lot of dead astronauts and cosmonauts.

      See http://www.asi.org/adb/m/03/11/solar-flares.html.

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    2. Re:Cosmic dose. by twitter · · Score: 0
      A person at 80,000 ft. according to the lesson plan cited above, gets about 10 R/hr.

      >That's during a severe solar flare, which is a relatively uncommon event. Otherwise, we would have a lot of dead astronauts and cosmonauts.

      Could be, but that's beside the point. Someone beneath the atmosphere during the same flare does not get 10 R/hr. The atmosphere is a nice shield against much but not all cosmic radiation.

      The writer of that lesson plan must have been training people for submarines rather than space flight.

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    3. Re:Cosmic dose. by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      By comparison, plants have a cow if you get more than a few unplanned mR.

      Plants have a cow? Now that's some major radiation induced mutation...

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    4. Re:Cosmic dose. by hubie · · Score: 1
      The atmosphere is not a good shield at 80kft because at that atmosphere you are above about 96.5-percent of the atmosphere.

      To further complicate the issue, without going into all the qualifiers and conditions, is that the maximum cosmic ray flux in the atmosphere occurs around 70kft (due to secondary particle generation), so in some instances you are worse off at 70kft than you are above the atmosphere (again, that statement glosses over a lot of different factors).

  62. Compared to X-Rays by $exyNerdie · · Score: 1

    Cosmic rays are extremely energetic particles that continually bombard the Earth, thousands of them passing through our bodies every day. ...
    Gamma rays are the most penetrating form of radiation we know, around a billion times more energetic than the X-rays produced by a hospital X-ray machine.

    We know that too much X-ray exposure is not considered good. Why does something a billion times more energetic that passes through our bodies everyday does not have any adverse health effect? Aging anyone??

    1. Re:Compared to X-Rays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know that too much X-ray exposure is not considered good. Why does something a billion times more energetic that passes through our bodies everyday does not have any adverse health effect? Aging anyone??

      Assuming the source of cosmic rays are supernove, and the fact that we are somewhat protected by the atmosphere and magnetic field of the earth, the likelyhood of expsure is low. However spending everyday in front of an x-ray source will give you a direct dose. It's the diffrence of taking miligrams of a poison and spending your whole life as an alcoholic. Sure the poison is more deadly, but you are not stupid enough to take it every day.

    2. Re:Compared to X-Rays by aXis100 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even though they are extemently energetic, they tend to do very little harm since:

      1) The charged particle component of cosmic rays is sheilded by the Earth's magnetic field
      2) The uncharged (neutron) component of cosmic rays does not interact with matter very much - it is very penetrating simpley because it passes through most matter without colliding with anything.
      3) Gamma rays, like neutrons, tend to pass though quite a bit of matter without actually interacting with it.

      Or more simply, we are transparent to alot of the radiation that does reach us.

    3. Re:Compared to X-Rays by Tsalg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A few comments on your points aXis: 1) This is dependent on your geomagnetic position on Earth. The high energy cosmics go through it anyway and we are shielded from them by the atmosphere more than the weak magnetic field. 2)There's no neutrons in the primary cosmic rays since they decay AND neutrons *do* interact with matter a *lot*. The neutrons come from the interactions of charged particles with the atmosphere. They are the second highest dose inducer after muons at sea level, and the primary at an altitude of ~4km. You must be confusing them with neutrinos.http://www.triumf.ca/safety/rpt/rpt_4/no de3.html 3)There's not that many gamma-rays in the radiation that hits us on earth and they are mainly muons - which are charged particles and actually do some harm to us but not as much as the average amount of X-rays we get per year. So the way I would put it is that we are transparent to the highest fluxes of particles (neutrinos) and that the radiation that reaches us from interactions of cosmic rays in the atmosphere induce lower doses than other ambient radioactivity sources..

  63. 1MJ photon by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
    What's the highest frequency EM raidation that can be detected/measured with the technology we have today?

    I've read (somewhere) that the highest energy *photon* ever observed was ~1MJ. That is on the order of 10^24eV! Not sure of the error on this though.

    As for highest energy cosmic rays, well, they seem to get to 10^20eV. But there is a cutoff limit for cosmic rays since they interact with microwave background (see that same page).

  64. Call me Reed. Reed Richards. by revxul · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm suddenly feeling stretchy...

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  65. Blender 4D? the Cosmic Ray tracer. by infonography · · Score: 1

    Oh, I am so ashamed. Well at least I didn't mention the other idea I had, Cosmonauts.

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  66. Obligatory SG-1 quote... by elFarto+the+2nd · · Score: 2, Funny

    "If you'd had been listening, you'd know nintendos pass right through you" - Jack O'Neill

  67. H.E.S.S. and cosmic rays by Conor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since I work for this experiment, I guess I should try to clear up a few points which have been discussed here.

    A Supernova remnant (SNR) is a very rapidly expanding bubble of hot gas, created by the explosion of a massive star. It is thought that the shock wave caused by these expanding bubbles in our galaxy accelerate surrounding hydrogen gas to very high energies, which then become the cosmic ray protons which we see at the earth today. Protons form the bulk of the cosmic ray flux between MeV and EeV energies, and at least up PeV energies they seem to be formed in our Galaxy, probably by SNRs.

    The SNRs are really light years across, the ones we see are generally in the local quadrant of our galaxy, thus are really not far away in the cosmic scale of things. Happily not close enough to fry us though! Cosmic redshift does not occur within our galaxy, by the way.

    We detect gamma rays at very high energies by looking at their interactions with the upper atmosphere. The gamma rays themselves do not generally penetrate to the ground, we measure the Cherenkov light emitted by the shower of charged paticles which stem from the gamma ray interaction.

    One reason gamma rays are interesting is that they , like other photons, travel directly to us from their source, so we can use them to make pictures of what the source looks like. We believe in this case that the gamma rays are produced in the supernova remnant by interactions of the accelerated protons, and thus are a tracer which proves the existence of the comsic rays at the SNR, and thus that SNRs generate cosmic rays.

    The particles which pass through us every day are mostly muons, which are by-products of the interaction of cosmic ray protons with the atmosphere.

    More information can be found at:

    http://www.mpi-hd.mpg.de/hfm/HESS/HESS.html

  68. Shell of debris approaching by Anders+Andersson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article doesn't state how distant that supernova is/was, only that it happened 1,000 years ago. Does that mean the supernova explosion was observable from Earth 1,000 years ago (saying nothing about its distance), or that the explosion actually happened 1,000 years ago (putting it at a distance of 1,000 lightyears)?

    In either case, if the shell of debris has now travelled half a degree of angular separation from the original point of explosion (uniformly in all directions), I suppose that debris will eventually reach Earth when the shell has achieved an angular diameter of 180 degrees (if it has been expanding for 1,000 years, it would arrive here some 113,592 years from now). Hopefully the debris will then be diluted enough not to hit any sensitive parts of our solar system... Will that debris still be emitting gamma rays?

    1. Re:Shell of debris approaching by Conor · · Score: 3, Informative

      RXJ 1713-39, the SNR in question, is believed to about 1kiloparsec away, which corresponds to 3260 light years. When we say it is believed to be 1000 years old, that means it would have been seen at the earth 1000 years ago. It is actually possibly 4000 years old, but may be older. It is quite hard to determine the distance to these things unless one saw them explode.

      What we see now is 1000 years after it exploded, so we just call it 1000 years old for simplicity.

      The shell should be too old and dispersed to emit gamma rays by the time it reaches the earth.

    2. Re:Shell of debris approaching by Anders+Andersson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would it be possible to determine its age (and thus its distance) by observing the expansion of the shell over a period of say, a few decades, and extrapolate from that? Maybe the observation method doesn't allow for sufficiently accurate measurements of the positions of the outermost gamma ray sources, or there are natural fluctuations in their appearance rendering the calculations meaningless?

      I recall reading about visible-light observation of what was first thought to be debris from another supernova explosion, but when calculations showed that the debris would be moving at the speed of light, it was concluded that what was observed was the light of the explosion being reflected off interstellar matter. The astronomers involved remarked that they were actually watching light travel across the sky! I guess that beats watching paint dry by several orders of magnitude...

    3. Re:Shell of debris approaching by Conor · · Score: 3, Informative

      First question, yes, it is possible to do that, especially for younger SNRs (up to a few hundred years maybe). For older ones, such as RXJ 1713 its harder as its more difficult to discern expansion.

      The second point refers to SN 1987a, which was observed to explode 17 years ago (hence the name).

    4. Re:Shell of debris approaching by Anders+Andersson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think I learned about that phenomenon (the circumstellar ring) already before 1987, maybe in a book I read in the 1970's, but I'm not sure. As I remember it, the approximate distance to the nova (perhaps not necessarily a supernova) was already known, and a deliberate attempt to calculate the speed of the observed "debris" led the researchers to the conclusion that they were merely timing pure light.

      The analysis of the SN 1987a circumstellar ring suggests that the observers were already familiar with the phenomenon and used it to calculate the distance of SN 1987a. Wouldn't the phenomenon have been observed before 1987? I don't recall reading many astronomy books since the early 1980's.

  69. cern by kwoff · · Score: 1

    If you ever have an opportunity to go to CERN, in the "Microcosm", which is where visitors take a dorky science tour, there is a cool display which has a wall of scintillators which flash when a cosmic ray passes. It's neat to watch (and disturbing to think about) the random streaks.

  70. MPU - Re:Angular diameter by fracai · · Score: 1

    yep, the quote would be similar to the following scenario.
    place a tennis ball on the table a few feet in front of a bowling ball
    place yourself a few feet in front of the tennis ball
    from where you are, the bowling ball has a diameter around twice that of the tennis ball.
    obviously the real diameters are significantly different, but the distance involved distorts this.

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  71. Mommy, where do cosmic rays come from? by rdurell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, when two cosimc bodies really love each other... yadda yadda yadda... Big Bang... and the next thing you knwo they have little Cosmic Ray.

  72. Cosmic Ray bombardment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...would have been solved if Kerry were President. Face it, GW's lack of focus on what really matters is going to cause the heat death of the Universe.

    It's time to leave the planet.

  73. it's cool by torrents · · Score: 1

    i just saved a bundle on my cosmic ray insurance...

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  74. My experience with cosmic rays by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    As part of an experimental physics course in college, one of the things we had to do was set up a cosmic ray detector. We used photomultiplier tubes to detect and roughly measure the spectrum of the cosmic rays. What made it especially impressive was the fact that we had 20+ floors of concrete over our heads when we did it and that the spectrum was totally flat.

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    1. Re:My experience with cosmic rays by hubie · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, how did you measure the energy spectrum? What did you use for a calorimeter? The cosmic rays that you would see in that building would be almost all minimum-ionizing muons which would all deposit about the same amount of energy in a relatively small (physics demo-sized) detector. To really measure the energy spectrum you'd need a calorimeter along the way.

    2. Re:My experience with cosmic rays by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I wish I remember that level of detail. All I remember about the setup was that we had large (certainly not your physics demo-sized) scintillation counters. Somehow we were measuring the voltage coming off of them and passing it to an oscilliscope. We also looked at the curve of a beta emitter which I thought was impressive since it looked exactly like the books said it would.

      If this sounds too vague then I'm sorry, it was many years ago!

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  75. Confusing article by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    The article says it has found the source of cosmic ray but only talks about gamma rays. Maybe I'm mistaken but isn't cosmic rays a catch-all for a variety of extraterrestrial radiation from photons to particles? They made no mention of high-energy particles, only gamma rays. However it did say they detected Cherenkov radiation which comes from high-energy particles passing through a medium. I'm a bit confused, what exactly did they detect, particles or gamma rays?

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  76. eyeball as a cloud chamber by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Once in a while you'll see a cosimic ray flash through your eyeball as a bright streak.

  77. Cosmic Debris by WMNelis · · Score: 1

    Now who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?

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  78. Cosmic Ray Deflection Society by also+aswell · · Score: 1


    Please visit the Cosmic Ray Defelction Society of North Amreica, Inc. (krudzna ink) at...

    http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1483/ozone.ht ml ...for more important information on deadly cosmic rays.

    Sorry for the many broken links, but this is an old Geocities page, and I cannot get /find anyone at Yahoo that will let me back into the page to update it. Over 20 pages of wierd stuff.

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  79. Re:krudzna ink Charleston Chapter by also+aswell · · Score: 1

    While our main chapter is in New Orleans, we also have a chapter in Charleston SC and Greensboro, NC and about 150 members worldwide.

    http://www.cofc.edu/~jonesl/crds.html

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  80. Re:They're actually George Bush's fault. by Trespass · · Score: 1

    gg bitter moderators. Hey, how's that lack of direction in your party working out for you?