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Online Bookmark Manager Suggestions?

nonLocal Bookmarks asks: "I have been looking for an online bookmark manager to allow me access to my bookmarks at various computers. There are a bunch of them out there, but most of them use the traditional tree structure. I am looking for something that lists everything cleanly on one page. The only one I can find so far that does this is SiteJot. But this site is missing a few other features I am looking for. I was wandering if any Slashdot readers could recommend a good bookmark manager?"

78 comments

  1. Dupe by metalhed77 · · Score: 0

    This question has been asked on Ask Slashdot how many times now? Someone else please go and dig up the links for me.

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  2. Try by mattboston · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sitebar www.sitebar.org. You need LAMP to run it, but it works great for me. It has multi-user accounts so I can setup accounts for whoever I want to maintain bookmarks. Since it's hosted, you can be anywhere. I prefer it because I like to have my bookmarks available whether I'm at home, at work, or at a cybercafe.

    1. Re:Try by mattboston · · Score: 1

      1 other point, it integrates into your Sidebar

    2. Re:Try by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      Maybe I'm being obtuse here, but if the submitter wants everything on one page, he could simply save his bookmarks.html file (assuming he's not using IE) to a flash drive, or even a floppy, and carry it in his shirt pocket.

      But maybe that's just too simple. :-)

    3. Re:Try by mattboston · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should check it out. It's not at all what you think. It's got folders & subfolders! And the ability to get your bookmarks from anywhere(any computer). It can be integrated into Mozilla/Firefox's sidebar, etc. More options than most other bookmark managers.

    4. Re:Try by thempstead · · Score: 1

      I agree with this totally. Sitebar is easy to setup, (assuming that you have MySQL and Apache installed). I combine it with a dyndns account which means that i can access the same bookmarks at home, at work or if i am away.

      And it just works ....

      t

  3. Something different by dthree · · Score: 4, Informative

    This lets you manage bookmarks, share them with other users, and let your browse their lists.

    http://del.icio.us/

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    1. Re:Something different by dthree · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just realized that with Firefox's live bookmarks feature, and del.icio.us's XML feeds, you can have your del.icio.us bookmarks in the firefox bookmark menu and toolbar.

      Duh, why didn't I think of that sooner.

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  4. del.icio.us by (a*2)+(ron) · · Score: 1

    http://del.icio.us

  5. Just last month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cross Platform Browser Bookmark Autosyncing?.

    Perhaps someone should bookmark this?

    1. Re:Just last month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but *how* should I bookmark it? If someone could just come up with an easy way to do that...

  6. What I'm looking for... by Photar · · Score: 1

    is a firefox plugin that syncs the builtin bookmarks via an FTP site.

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    1. Re:What I'm looking for... by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Better yet, a firefox plugin that uses a mysql database to store the bookmark data. This would allow realtime updates of the bookmarks across multiple computers. Since I have two computers on my desk, and jump back & forth constantly, having a networked bookmark manager would be a huge timesaver.

    2. Re:What I'm looking for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why stop at mysql? Why don't you create a plugin that constantly sends messages to a channel on irc, where all the other plugins for your other machines are also in the channel. Create a grammer for the updating/adding/deleting of bookmarks. Every so often, every client will post their entire bookmark list. The final list is compiled by a voting system where if the rest of the links don't like a particular link, they use their link allience to cast the offending link off the island!!!! YEAH!!!!

      Or you could just REMEMBER how to get to a url. Nah, that's too complicated.

    3. Re:What I'm looking for... by Photar · · Score: 1

      I don't think you really need a database for it. Unless you plan to be adding bookmarks on multiple machines 30 times a second or something.

      What I've been using is a shell script, but its not efficient at all, it does however handle adding bookmarks from multiple computers pretty well.

      There is a script called poll bookmarks, which checks to see if the bookmarks.html on the ftp server is newer than the local one, if it is, then get gets that copy.

      Then another script that uploads a new bookmark. which checks the version on the server, and then does diff/merge magic and everything is gravy.

      The problem with it though is that the script has to be hard coded to where my profile is, and I have to do it manually. and the changes arent live in the browser.

      Maybe I should learn how to code.

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    4. Re:What I'm looking for... by ibbey · · Score: 1

      True, MySQL isn't mandatory. And I'd be happy with any solution, regardless of how it works. I tend to think a DB backed solution is a bit more elegant & flexible. You could have a quite powerful solution with no scripting or programming needed outside of the mysql database & the plug-in.

      Here's a better summary of what I envision: The database (I said MySQL, but I'm not really picky as long as it's freely available) stores the same basic info as is now stored as XML. It would also have a seperate table to store a log of updates. Everything else would happen on the client side. The plugin would not replace the current bookmark system, only supplement it. As far as the browser is concerned, your bookmarks would still reside in bookmarks.xml. This way, if your server was down, you would still have your (possibly not most current) bookmarks. The only change to the xml file would be a timestamp that would be used by the plug-in to know when it was last downloaded. At startup, and at predetermined intervals, the browser compares the timestamp in bookmarks.xml to the database log & updates the bookmark.xml file accordingly, and if necessary tells the browser to refresh the bookmarks. The plug-in also monitors the bookmarks.xml file & uploads changes as necessary.

      Assuming this basic system, it would work quite well as you propose. If there was a browser plug-in to automatically refresh the bookmarks from ftp, I would be quite happy. But if you add a database & a simple script, you get easy access to your bookmarks from any computer (note: the script is optional. All basic functionality except web access is available without a web server). You won't be able to edit your bookmarks using the standard bookmark interface, but you can edit them online. This way, you have the best of both worlds, the ease of managing your bookmarks in the browser & the flexibility of sstoring them online.

    5. Re:What I'm looking for... by Photar · · Score: 1

      The problem I see with that method is that you have to have a database, I'd just like the browser plugin to handle all the hard stuff, and all you need is an ftp site to sync it all.

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    6. Re:What I'm looking for... by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Granted, this adds a touch of complexity, but not much. And if such a plugin became available, I imagine that people would step in to offer free or cheap hosting. But as I said, though I think there are advantages to a databased backed solution, I would be happy with any solution that works. Someone posted Sitebar, which looks promising. I haven't had a chance to look at it too closely yet, but it might work...

    7. Re:What I'm looking for... by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Ok, I've had a chance to play with Sitebar for a bit now. It's not perfect from an integration standpoint, but it is good. Some of my (basically minor) issues: It doesn't use the standard firefox bookmarks menu or toolbar, but uses a sidebar. You can't right click a link & select Bookmark Link. The sidebar doesn't refresh when you add a new bookmark (Hey, I said these are minor quibbles...). But even with these problems, unless I find something major as I play with it more, this could be the solution that I've been wanting for a long time.

    8. Re:What I'm looking for... by Photar · · Score: 1

      Heh, yeah, I've tried it. I'm less than impressed.

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  7. Google by Zarf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No really. I use google.

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    1. Re:Google by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      That gives me an idea (sort of a modification of a previous idea I had).

      Write a search agent to modify the search result page so that links you had previously bookmarked are shown right at the top and marked obviously. Bookmarks could be pulled from your local machine and/or from a networked location.

      That way you never have to think about your actual bookmark list and you don't have to search a list which might not have the answer you want. Just use your favourite search engine as you normally do. Too easy.

    2. Re:Google by Zarf · · Score: 1

      Sort of turning google into a custom portal instead of just a vanilla search engine.

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  8. You mean like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Bookmarks Synchronizer (FTP)?
    Bookmarks Synchronizer is a Mozilla Firefox extension that let you connect to an FTP server and synchronize your bookmarks that are stored in an XML file. Setup is easy; just write in your FTP server address, username, password and a name for the XML file (by default called xbel.xml). To start, press Upload to create the file on the server and set if you want to automatically download the file on startup or upload it when you close your browser.
    1. Re:You mean like... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Or you can use roaming profiles in Mozilla 1.8 and up.

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    2. Re:You mean like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's available for Firefox.

    3. Re:You mean like... by gorgano · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately not available for FireFox 1.0 yet. I used this feature a LOT, very nice. That is, before i upgraded.

      -jason

    4. Re:You mean like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This version seems to work fine with Firefox 1.0. Dated Nov 9.

    5. Re:You mean like... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      He never said he was using Firefox.

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    6. Re:You mean like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photar, the *parent of these posts did.

      is a firefox plugin that syncs the builtin bookmarks via an FTP site.

  9. Delicious by Goo.cc · · Score: 1

    http://del.icio.us/

    The best one I know of.

    1. Re:Delicious by Goo.cc · · Score: 2, Informative

      BTW, there is a Firefox extension that can automatically sync to your Delicious bookmarks. Or you can just take advantage of Delicious' RSS feeds.

    2. Re:delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or even better carry firefox with you..

      Go google and search firefox portable

    3. Re:Delicious by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      > BTW, there is a Firefox extension that can
      > automatically sync to your Delicious bookmarks. Or
      > you can just take advantage of Delicious' RSS feeds

      Score -1 for LAZY.

      This little gem of a program is called Foxylicious and its website is here. Firefox users click here to install.

      Dont be lame like this guy, provide USEFUL INFORMATION when you post.

  10. linkagogo by jayrtfm · · Score: 2, Informative

    IMHO, linkagogo.com is the best.
    If you go to the download tab, it can export as a bookmark file, which can be automatically opened in a new window, giving you the single page you want.

    A recently added feature is a weekly email of your bookmarks, so if the service does fold, at least you won't lose too many links.

  11. Actually, he's right. . . mostly by Nomihn0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not simply upload a really simple HTML page onto Geocities or some other free, limited use, hosting site? You can edit your list without a fancy applet too, if you like. Sure, your bookmarks are public. Just make sure you don't have any personally identifying information.

    If you are a privacy freak (no offense whatsoever, we love you guys), consider simply e-mailing the list to to some free HTML enabled web based e-mail client that you can later update through. It's that simple.

    Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera; they all export bookmark lists. Schedule your computer to automatically save them. Heck, maybe you could use GMail as a network drive as was suggested a while ago here on Slashdot. That way, you can always have a fresh bookmarks list at ready disposal, regardless of where you are.

    Remember though, third party tools are never reliable. Birds fly south, snow melts, and companies go under. It's best just to manage your bookmarks the old fashioned way: folders, .html backups, and more folders.

    1. Re:Actually, he's right. . . mostly by bentfork · · Score: 1
      You got it. If all you want is a list of html links that looks like this:

      The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ Html Tag info some random site I found...

      All of that is produced by these tags ( which are probably overkill)

      <DL>
      <DT> The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
      <DD> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/">http://www .bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/</a>
      <DT> Html Tag info
      <DD> <a href="http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/">so me random site I found...</a>
      </DL>
  12. http://del.icio.us/ by comwiz56 · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://del.icio.us/

    Make you're own, toolbar links for quick access.

    Also you can browse others links, and have your links as RSS feeds.

  13. Re:I know of something perfect for this. by Rikus · · Score: 1

    This is quite true, but it's also helpful to have a way to rapidly add URLs without typing out

  14. Page Title.
    What might be helpful is a simple plain text file format such as:
    -- Heading
    * http://url/ Title Text
    This could then be converted into HTML automatically. I think
    txt2tags is one such tool (with a somewhat different input format).
  • Sitejot missing features? by Nomihn0 · · Score: 1

    What are these features? Telling us could help us find an alternative that better suits your needs.

  • Tree structure... by eurleif · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you don't like tree structures, why not just put all of your bookmarks in the root folder?

    1. Re:Tree structure... by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      Because i want cyclic linking damnit!

  • Links people! by ibbey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not hard to activate links... http://del.icio.us/> results in http://del.icio.us/. Ok, I know I'm lazy, but an extra 5 seconds in making your post makes it a better experience for all.

    Thanks!

    1. Re:Links people! by Black+Perl · · Score: 1

      It's even easier than that. Directly below the Post Comment box are the directions:

      <URL:http://example.com/> will auto-link a URL

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  • delicious by Apreche · · Score: 1

    del.icio.us

    Not only can you get your bookmarks from anywhere, but you can also share them with the rest of the world.

    Even better than that, if you use firefox ( which I hope you do ) your bookmarks are stored as an html file. Just put this html file in any web accessible place, and you can visit it and whoah! your bookmarks are there.

    I know another one. Get a USB thumb drive and carry your bookmarks with you.

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  • treeview by quiddity · · Score: 4, Informative

    treemenu has a large variety of viewing methods. i use them for different purposes, but find it easy and friendly and fast when needed.

    see also:
    links
    del.icio.us
    bookmark4u
    bkm
    plasticbag discussion
    and of course all the PIMs(personal information managers) in the works...

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  • A couple not yet mentioned... by abh · · Score: 1
    Simpy
    Onfolio (bookmarks on steroids, currently IE-only but the beta 2.0 supports Firefox)

    I posted a more detailed comparison of the two in my blog a while back here.

  • Install firefox... then install this: by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1


    Bookmark Syncronizer

    Works with ftp and http(s) WebDAV. Toodles.

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  • BookmarkManage by russ_allegro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like the bookmark manage I wrote.

    You can expand the folders to get it on one whole page if you want.

    If you use a mozilla based browser you can add a link in your toolbar to add bookmarks to the manager.

    http://coldstonelabs.org/index.jsp?projectIndex= 3

  • Index Cards! by Gregg+Alan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I kid you not. My Dad initially kept his favorite sites on index/recipe cards and kept them in one of those little boxes. That's pretty portable.

    He was impressed, however, when I showed him how to use browser bookmarks.

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  • write one! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    How many features could you possibly want which would make it more complicated than the proccess of writing that message and clicking "submit"? It's a list of bookmarks and would possibly have an "import" and "export" button for as many as two whole browsers. If you started writing when you read the subject, you'd probably be done by now.

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  • Local Wiki by antizeus · · Score: 1

    I've got a very small and basic Wiki CGI script that I use as a glorified bookmark system. It's a modified version of the script that used to be available at Ward's Wiki at c2.com (back when that had a page which generated a custom script for you). That no longer seems to be available, but there are plenty of other Wiki implementations out there.

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  • Use a blog by tetrode · · Score: 1

    Use a blog - and share those bookmarks

  • mywebsitelinks.com by skinfitz · · Score: 1

    ...funny this should come up - I have a site which does exactly this.

    It's very light and text based and designed to run on anything.

    For Firefox and IE I've taken advantage of the way they handle javascript to implement a quick add button - you can be on any site and click one of your quicklinks to add the site you are looking at to your online links database. It's a work in progress, and right now links can't be edited or deleted, but those features are very much on my to do list. If it doesn't do something you want just ask.

  • Bluesmiley by delpino2002 · · Score: 1

    I use Bluesmiley Bookmark Manager, see Bookmark Manager, supports Import and Export of Bookmarks.

  • Real men... by JaF893 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Real men just upload their bookmarks on ftp and let the rest of the world mirror it.

  • The Era of the Dot.Com by da_Den_man · · Score: 2

    Thei reminds me of a story I tell to illustrate how idiotic my "years in the valley" were. I was working for this "dot.com" and on a lunch break at the local Bagel shop (you know the one...in that little shopping mall in Redwood shores next to the Starbucks...)

    I was just sitting down to enjoy my lunch when I overhear a conversation:

    Guy1: So they store the Bookmarks ONLINE and can access them wherever they are. The VC's think its a go, and are willing to shell out the 4 mill to get it going!

    Guy2: Can't you just export the bookmark links to a file and save them locally as an HTML page? Carry that one file with you and just maintain the updates locally? Why would anyone want to use this as a Service...much less Pay for access??

    Guy1: Did you not hear me...? Its gonna be ONLINE!. People will flock to it for that reason alone. We should have the capital by the end of the week!

    Guy2: Still sounds like a stupid idea to me....

    Just though I would share... ;-)

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  • SiteBar does tree, Google-style, RSS, and more! by mindslip · · Score: 1
    SiteBar (http://www.sitebar.org ) is by far the most comprehensive bookmark manager out there.

    It's meant for a browser's sidebar, and integrates tightly with IE, FireFox (via XPI), Opera, and of course Mozilla.

    It also runs in it's own separate window, in the body of the browser, or even as an embedded section of any web page or blog app!

    You can display your bookmarks with any of the included plug-ins, which include the standard multi-folder tree, an RSS feed, and a Google/Yahoo-like layout, which is more of what you may be looking for.

    It's been designed from the ground, up with both small and large-scale needs in mind. It can handle multiple trees per user, with multiple groups/users per tree, and granular permissions (view/add/edit/delete/moderate) per link/folder. It's fully skinnable, and runs on any PHP/MySQL/Apache setup!

    Go grab it or sign up!

    mindslip
    Creator, SiteBar.

  • APB and Booby by edooper · · Score: 1

    Two applications I like a lot are:

    Booby
    and
    APB.

    APB is no longer in active development, but it still is a very usefull app. I use it on a daily basis. Both are LAMP applications.

  • iSync and dotMac by Noiz · · Score: 1

    Geez, I would have though the answer would be obvious.

    iSync and dotMac

  • Just found by dthree · · Score: 1

    I discovered a new one, well, new to me.

    http://www.spurl.net/

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    1. Re:Just found by cuteseal · · Score: 1
      Good find. I also discovered a similar one, by looksmart:

      http://www.furl.net

  • Step 1. by rbochan · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yahoo frikken dot com, or hotmail, or geoshitties, or whateverthefuck google comes up with in its first 47,000,000 results for 'free webmail'.

    Step 2.
    Export your bookmarks to html, even plain text - if your browser can't do this, then get a real god damn browser.

    Step 3.
    Email your bookmarks to the webmail account.

    Step 4.
    Access webmail.

    Step 5*.
    Stop being idiotic and asking people how to do something that you could find on your own in about 27 seconds with any decent search engine. This is like asking a mechanic how to fill up your gas tank.

    (* Note: there is no 'Profit!!!' step, because if the the submitter can't be bothered to use a search engine, he/she shouldn't be on the intarweb in the first place)

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  • I don't understand the need by macemoneta · · Score: 1

    I use Firefox on my PC, which create a "bookmarks.html" file in the "~/.mozilla/firefox/utwnmzil.default/" directory. I have a cron job that periodically scp's this to a web server. My bookmarks are then available to me (or anyone I tell) anywhere, and I can secure them any way I choose.

    Setting up an account with an outside service for this purpose seems unnecessary.

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    1. Re:I don't understand the need by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Yoiu have a slightly more automated version of what I ahve been doing for years. The day i realized Mozilla uses a plain HTMl file for it's bookmarks made me happy. I simply use one main browser and up load my bookmarks as I need to.

      Well traveling without a computer, I can just find web access and access my bookmarks quite easily.

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  • bookmark synchronizer by michaelbuddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because My karma sucks I:ll just take the hit, even though this info is good. Here:s the best way.. damn this japanese keyboard is wierd.

    Use firefox. Download Bookmark synchronizer, and get your own webspace.

    this check this link out.
    http://www.koldark.net/archives/2004/09/17/s ee_my_ bookmarks.php

    you can sync your bookmarks from home work etc, and using a xsl stylesheet, show them as a webpage. Updating the bookmark xbel file constantly, the page will always be new. Don:t worry about cron scripts or whatever. syncing between computers is the way to go.

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  • Take it with you. by Quantum+Jim · · Score: 1

    I store firefox on a hi-speed usb 2.0 drive. With a custom script (on Windows: yes, a .vbs file - I could have used a batch script but I didn't want a dos window), you can store your profile on the drive. This way I can carry everything with me - my bookmarks, history, and other nice things.

    USB drives are useful for more than just firefox. I store some useful Java programs like jEdit and Saxon. I even have a copy of Cygwin for GNU hacking in Windows. Just learn how to use the windows scripting host. Even though it sometimes has lots of bugs (or, more precisely, too many Microsoft programs automatically run wsh scripts without safety measures); it'll simplify your life.

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  • Annotea Ubimarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just bumped into this one http://www.annotea.org/mozilla/ubi.html

    It allows you to organize bookmarks under topics and publish them as bookmarks files in RDF metadata format. Works on Mozilla (tried on v1.7) but Firefox 1.0 support is missing yet.

  • A9 Toolbar by KarmaPolice · · Score: 1

    I use Amazons A9 toolbar. It runs on Firefox (Crossplatform .xpi) and IE. It's very nice and installs very quickly.

    http://toolbar.a9.com/

  • What does that have to do with bookmarks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing

  • Spurl by sysadmn · · Score: 1

    Spurl is a "social" bookmark site in the same vein as del.icio.us. In fact, the spurl "submit" form will also add the url to your del.icio.us account if you'd like.

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  • A website? by Gleapsite · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't a simple HTML website on free hosting [freewebz.com homestead.com w/e] be a viable solution? Sure it'd be a little more difficult to add/remove bookmarks, but anywhere that can access the web can access your assortment of links.

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  • Thanks for the comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you everyone for your suggestions. But I think I am going to stick with SiteJot. I do not want to host my own HTML file because it requires more work then I really want to do for bookmarks. SiteJot allows me to add a simple html button to any browser for instant bookmarking of current sites. I also really like how it lays out the page. I guess I don't really need more features, it seems like the best solution for me.

  • foxylicious by LordMyren · · Score: 1

    foxylicious lets you use your del.icio.us bookmarks in firefox natively.

    bad-arse yo.
    myren

  • more p2p bookmarking by LordMyren · · Score: 1

    ooc, is there anything besides del.icio.us for p2p bookmarking?

  • I second that by jonr · · Score: 1

    Bookmark synchronizer is a life saver. Don't leave home without it.

  • grep by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
    those files aren't big. just copy /s *.url to your USB thumbdrive..

    dir /b /s | grep whatyerlookingfor

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