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Firefox News Roundup

Spaceman40 sent in this ZDNet story. PeterPumpkin collects way too many links to Firefox stories: "According to SpreadFirefox.com , there were almost 3 million downloads of Firefox 1.0 in the 5 days since launch, which comes to over 500,000 downloads per day. There are news bites coming out about Firefox everywhere you could possibly imagine. According to a report on MozillaZine, Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0. PC-WELT, the German equivalent of PC-World, is distributing their own customised version of Firefox to customers." Thomas Hawk writes "Rather than go outside for the past 48 hours, Scott Granneman prefers to burrow in his den and come up with one of the first definitive lists of Firefox links. Good geeking Scott. And way to overcompensate."

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  1. Matt Drudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Love him or hate him, he spent about 10-15 minutes on his radio show Sunday night discussing Firefox. He said he was an Opera user himself (sick of spyware) but praised Firefox for challenging Microsoft and breaking their stranglehold on the web.

    The Washington Post's Rob Pegoraro also gave an incredibly positive review to Firefox and took part in a web chat about it (good read if you want to see less techy user's reactions).

    1. Re:Matt Drudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, if he wants to take advantage of the 90% of users not blocking ads to make some money more power to him. He has linked to at least one story on Opera in the past.

      The Drudge Report Archive (which isn't owned or operated by him) does have a Firefox button.

  2. Slashdot vs Firefox by glenebob · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too bad Slashdot doesn't render right in Firefox...

    1. Re:Slashdot vs Firefox by juglugs · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never had a problem rendering Slashdot in Firefox.

      I just fired it up in both IE and Firefox and they look exactly the same...

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    2. Re:Slashdot vs Firefox by Bob+Finklestein · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm convinced the new "FIRST POST!!!!!1111" comment is "SLASHDOT DOESN'T RENDER RIGHT IN FIREFOX!!!!!!" Seriously I've been using Firefox for several months now, check Slashdot multiple times a day (because I'm a huge loser with too much time, let's just get that one out of the way), and I've had /. render incorrectly ONCE. Out of the hundreds of times I've loaded this page, that's a percentage I can deal with. I would choose a fast, secure browser with modern features that incorrectly renders a few pages a small amount of the time over that insecure, outdated, and all around piece of crap from Microsoft any day of the week.

      And who modded this informative?

  3. Easy fix (extension) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just install the Slashfix extension until v1.1.

    1. Re:Easy fix (extension) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The re-rendering is the same thing as the ctrl +/- trick, just without the need to actually do anything.

    2. Re:Easy fix (extension) by superyooser · · Score: 2, Informative
      It works only on Slashdot. Scroll down and see the code.

      if (window._content.document.location.href. indexOf('slashdot.org')!=-1) ...

  4. Firefox GER contains Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The german version of Firefox 1.0 contains spyware in the ebay-plugin. Search queries are redirected to a data-mining corporation in switzerland.

    more about in german in:
    http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/53308

    1. Re:Firefox GER contains Spyware by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, it's certainly not impossible that something like this could have slipped into a foreign language build of Firefox. But it's hard to imagine given the scrutiny that was given to all the aviary-branch-1.0 checkins that it got into 1.0, given how many patches people were trying to get in and the devs refused to move into the 1.0 branch. I don't know the details of Mozilla development procedures, but I do follow some Bugzilla reports for issues near and dear to my heart, and I know that Firefox in general is fairly tightly controlled by the devs (more so than the Mozilla Suite ever was).

      Do you have a reference to any bugzilla reports or any other English language reporting on this? Perhaps more careful oversight of the localization team is required. It's important to figure out if this was an accidental move by a localization team that accepted a patch that they shouldn't have or if an insider with commit access intentionally did this and needs to be booted out.

    2. Re:Firefox GER contains Spyware by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      After doing some recursive Babelfishing of some of the forum links in that article, it looks like the FF devs in charge of the German release stuff intentionally put this in there as part of a contract with the company to earn money for Mozilla Europe... but I can't really tell given the quality of translations there.

      Very disheartening if true, and I would hope that the main Mozilla Foundation folks and Firefox dev team would disavow this and take measures to make sure it doesn't happen again. Mozilla are supposed to be the good guys, and I appreciate their need to support their activities, but there are lots of people willing to help with that - witness the massive turnout of donations for the SpreadFirefox advertising effort. Spyware in official Firefox builds is NOT the way to do this.

    3. Re:Firefox GER contains Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want to read more about this, check this out:
      http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=1648 92&highlight=ebay

    4. Re:Firefox GER contains Spyware by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mitchell Baker (yes! a girl! :) - president of mozilla foundation europe - statement about the "feature":

      # We included the search plugin for ebay.de because we thought they would be useful to people. This was the only reason.
      # It's very helpful to know how many searches are initiated from the search box as opposed to the URL bar. To do this requires having the browser send a piece of information to the website so it's clear the search was started in the search box. This "identify as search box initiated search" is the ONLY new thing that happens with the ebay.de search plugin.
      # The providers of the search plugins give us the URL to which search queries should go. In most cases, this URL is to the main search engine system -- yahoo.de, google.de, etc. It appears that ebay.de has done something different, and given us a URL that doesn't point directly to ebay.de.
      # I understand there is concern, or at least a lack of clarity about this.

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    5. Re:Firefox GER contains Spyware by falonaj · · Score: 4, Informative
      The german version of Firefox 1.0 contains spyware in the ebay-plugin. Search queries are redirected to a data-mining corporation in switzerland.

      It seems that the spyware claim is wrong.

      After the Heise.de news article was published, there were some responses from Mozilla developers in the German forum linked in the article.

      Here is a summary of the facts:

      1. The Swiss company is a contract partner of Ebay.
      2. Ebay gave the Swiss URL to the Mozilla Foundation as a localized link for the search plug-in.
      3. Ebay always forwards search requests to affiliate companies, no matter whether you enter the search keywords in the search plug-in or on the site.
      4. The redirect via the Swiss contract partner of Ebay was the sole decision of Ebay.de. The Mozilla Foundation has no relation to that company. Ebay chose to give direct links for Ebay.com and for all all other Ebay sites.
      5. If you don't trust Ebay's contract partners then you should not use their services. Switching your browser won't help.
      6. The Mozilla Foundation has a contract with Ebay saying that for every Ebay search originating from the search plug-in they get a certain amount of money. This contract is valid for all localizations. The Mozilla developers have no access to any data collected by Ebay or its partners.
      7. The contract between the Ebay and the Mozilla Foundation is interesting, but allegations of spyware are untrue if you know the facts.

    6. Re:Firefox GER contains Spyware by The+Slient+Progenito · · Score: 2, Informative

      Btw, so save you guys some google image searching, here's the link to Mitchell Baker. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2003/07/11 /photos1.html?page=4

  5. TV2 report by wojci2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0.

    The clip should be available from http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=node/view/5567.

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  6. Re:no flames! by niteice · · Score: 1, Informative

    Erm...when was the last time you used Firefox? 0.7? 0.3?


    It improved. A lot. I can't think of anybody besides you that went back after trying it.

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  7. XUL by Danathar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I REALLY hope that this spurs development of XUL based applications. There are'nt that many yet, but I'd love to see more. (trying to learn myself)

    Example of XUL app is the amazon.com content browser

    http://www.faser.net/mab/remote.cfm

    Of course you MUST use Mozilla/Firefox to view it!

    1. Re:XUL by CosmicDreams · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed, and if you want to get on the ground floor of XUL development, goto XULPlanet, start reading, and get cracking on your own code.

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  8. Re:Cool FF trick - roll your own search engine by poningru · · Score: 2, Informative

    instructions for the creating new plugins can be found here: mozdev

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  9. Re:English translation by Curtman · · Score: 5, Informative

    SpellBound seems to work pretty well.

  10. Re:What amazes me... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Five bucks a year for a browser that is fast, small, secure, has tabbed browsing, awesome bookmark management, integrated kickass email, popup blocking, etcetera endless freakin' etcetera.

    Oh yeah, and weird HTML rendering (until very recently) and a funky interface (even now).

  11. Re:NTLM Authentication by syates21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, it's pretty sweet actually. You just need to edit your prefs.js file to tell it which sites to provide NTLM credentials to. No "friendly" interface for doing this yet though I don't think (or maybe I just missed it).

    Something like this (not that I'm recommending this as a good config), will allow the creds to be sent to all web servers:
    user_pref("network.negotiate-auth.delega tion-uris" , "http://,https://");
    user_pref("network.negotiate -auth.trusted-uris", "http://,https://");

    If you use a proxy server, it's probably not *too* unsafe, since NTLM can't really be proxied via HTTP proxies anyway (AFAIK).

  12. Re:Complacency? Probably not in this case... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Funny, as has been pointed out many times and the other replier pointed out, MS is already advertising on their site the tabbed browsing features that Longhorn will have. So your explanation is rather hard to swallow.

  13. Re:You know it's coming.. by piper-noiter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft is claming IE users don't want tabbed browsing. hmf.

    Its true I have computer ignorant friends who say they really DON'T need tabs, but then they've never tried them.

    Microsoft is also claming it is no more buggy than Firefox...
    And here I've been sending these lies to all my friends:
    http://secunia.com/product/4227/Firefox Browser 0.1 - 2 unpached problems, 17 total security flaws.
    http://secunia.com/product/761/Opera Browser 7 - 1 unpached problems 29 total security flaws.
    http://secunia.com/product/11/ Internet Explorer 6 - 17 unpached problems 67 total security flaws.

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  14. It's not better than Mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    I'm a long term Mozilla User, tried Firefox 1.0 and it still seems to crash more than M.

    I still don't see the point of giving up Mozilla and focusing on Firefox instead.

    Firefox is faster? I don't think so; at least on my machine rendering and start-up times are nearly equal.
    Size of binary? Firefox + Thunderbird = 10.5 MB (windows). Mozilla is 11MB and has a simple HTML Browser + IRC Chat included. I don't see the improvement.

    I will stick to Mozilla for sure...

  15. Business 2.0 cover story by ehiris · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have a Microsoft's worst nightmare article in the last edition.

  16. Re:English translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Soon. It will be in Mozilla/Firefox soon. Linspire got someone to program it.

  17. Huge FireFox article in Israeli newspaper by hacker_wanabe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Last sunday a big Israeli newspaper - "Yedihot" (AKA ynet on web) published a 3 page article (!!!) about Firefox. I was amazed (in a good kind of way) to see a HUGE FireFox logo in the newspaper I read every day.
    Online version available here (Hebrew content).

  18. Huh? by plj · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the whole system crashes it is probably a bug in the mouse driver, or in display driver. Firefox only runs in userspace, and shouldn't be able to crash the whole OS - well, at least not unless you still run the Win 98/Me -line OSes, where the kernel memory is not completely protected from userspace violations.

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  19. I cribbed by davidwr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Go to "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins" and look at the .src files.

    Assuming your intranet has a search engine that uses a format similar to one of the existing ones, just crib from it.

    For example, my client's uses the format:
    http://www.blah.blah/blah?keyword=value.
    You can crib from google.src and you should be okay.

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  20. FUD? by ImaLamer · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) Slow compared to Mozilla - requires the use of the moox optimized builds. I just built myself a new(ish) machine last night, though, so the extra CPU speed may make this a moot point for me, but the 550mHz Pentium III I was using was definitely not an optimal platform for Firefox.

    Slow compared to Mozilla? I'm using it in Windows XP on an AMD (3000+) run eMachines... and it is faster than IE! It loads faster, renders pages faster and generally is the fastest application on my PC.

    2) Buggy when lots of tabs are opened - more so than Mozilla. I'd say it crashes around 2x-3x more often than Mozilla. Being careful about how many tabs are open minimizes this, but still - annoying.

    Firefox crashes? Again, even in Windows I've only had Firefox "lock up" twice in about six months. Once was loading a page which was created to spread MyDoom (I guess that the string locked up the browser?). In Mandrake and Fedora I've never had Firefox crash. Even still, I regularly use and update to nightly builds so I would expect it to crash but it never happens.

    2) Buggy when lots of tabs are opened - more so than Mozilla. I'd say it crashes around 2x-3x more often than Mozilla. Being careful about how many tabs are open minimizes this, but still - annoying.

    Yes, a problem in the past (like 0.8 builds) - but not so much anymore. I've had in the upwards of 50 tabs open at once and it never really caused a problem. Yes, they are hard to discern after about 20 are opened, but CTRL+PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN is good for switching between tabs quickly.

  21. Re:OT by m50d · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not slashcode, it's an incremental rendering problem in firefox - AIUI, the rendering engine is rounding the column width each time it renders the page again, which is every time it gets more data, and the errors add up to make it misaligned. That's why the bug only appears on lower bandwidth connections, and hence didn't get fixed by the mozilla devs for a while. It is fixed in mozilla trunk, which I think will become firefox 1.1 eventually.

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  22. Re:the bearer of bad news by Apathetic1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bad Idea for both: turning off the ability of javascripts to change the status bar text also turns off link previewing - ridiculous; those should be two entirely separate things.

    Uh? Works for me... Did you uninstall any previous versions before installing 1.0? Installing over an old copy still causes strange glitches, I've found.

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  23. Re:Why? by Travis+Fisher · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get the "Tab X" extension. That will give you the "close tab" button in each individual tab. I'm sure there is a switch tab key also, but I can't tell you what it is...

  24. Re:Still some major problems by The+One+KEA · · Score: 4, Informative

    I didn't even know that cryptographic extension signatures _worked_ in Firefox 1.0!

    And before you start flaming the Firefox developers over a change that seems rather unfair and ill-timed to you, keep in mind that no matter how stable Firefox was before the 1.0 release, it was beta software. Beta software can be modified at the drop of a hat.

    Ergo, you should have at least planned for the possibility that something might change in the 1.0 release, ESPECIALLY if you are actually offering production-level software to people.

    Finally, if you are having problems with the Firefox Signtool team (whoever they are), then you should try other avenues of assistance, like the MozillaZine Forums - if you got a "figure it out yourself dumbass"-type response there, I'd be shocked.

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  25. Re:Firefox doesn't render Slashdot by The+One+KEA · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because the rendering engine changes needed to fix the bugs created by the god-awful HTML 3.2 emanated by Slashdot's template code were too invasive and "scary" for the Aviary branch. Introducing them could have cuased massive regressions and other problems.

    Firefox 1.1 will not break Slashdot anymore. Why the templates haven't been fixed is anybody's guess...

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  26. Re:OT by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just so you know the other guy is wrong! :)

    Mozilla/firefox etc guess sizes for columns that have images in them, these column sizes change once the image actually arrives. In certain cases it doesn't refresh and rerender once the images are downloaded.
    There is suppositivly a fix in the mozilla trunk, but it wasn't put in firefox 1.0 because it caused some pages that previously rendered fine to render badly. So fix is waiting on perfection.

  27. Not only TV2! by zonix · · Score: 2, Informative

    Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0.

    Am I the only Dane who noticed that the Danish public service channel DR had a news spot about Firefox too?

    In fact, shortly after 1.0PR they even added the appropriate RSS-link info to the news section on their site, so people can easily create Live Bookmarks, with just a few mouse clicks.

    z
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  28. Re:so whats the deal with regular mozilla by bheerssen · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems that, for the most part, different teams work on the two projects, although there appears to be a lot of communication between the two. There is no reason to speculate that either project will end in the foreseeable future. In fact, there have been statements from the Mozilla Foundation indicating that both projects will continue, with Firefox dipping into Mozilla Seamonkey code when appropriate and vice-versa.

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  29. Re:the bearer of bad news by handslikesnakes · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I've interpreted your reference to alt text correctly, FF and Mozilla are doing the correct thing; tooltips for the alt attribute are an IEism. The proper way to get the same effect is to use title=""; alt is for alternative text to be displayed if the image isn't displayed.

  30. translation to english by ubertopf · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am no native english speaker, but here is my attempt at an translation:

    Firefox user realized, that while using the ebay search function of the browser, ebay wasnt contacted directly, but a website in switzerland. Instead of opening the ebay search-site at: http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll firefox redirects the requests to the address on the server www.webtip.ch.
    Affected is the german edition of the browser, the win32 as well as the linux version. In the meantime emotions boiled up due to the assumed espionage.
    The domain belongs to the metaspinner ltd. After being questioned by heise online, Christoph Berndt CEO of Metaspinner explained, that the redirection is based on a partner contract between mozilla and ebay and is tested at the moment. The earnings of the deal, of which Berndt knew no details, are supposed to be given to the Mozilla Foundation. Metaspinner Ltd is just providing the server for the Mozilla Foundation. Berndt emphasized, that his corporation is not logging requests or ip-addresses.

    In the meantime Axel Hecht from the Mozilla Foundation as well as Abdulkadir Topal, who maintains the german version of firefox spoke up. The Foundation needs money, to pay for example the hired developers. And: "Mozilla.org or mozilla-europe receive no information conceirning the data, the user enters in the search-bar (This can be checked by anyone due to open-source)".

    Who prefers to communicate with ebay directly, can just replace the following line in the ebay search plugin ebay.src:

    action="http://www.webtip.ch/cgi-bin/mozilla/track er_qry_de.pl"

    with

    action="http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll"

    and restart firefox. The search-plugin is contained in the directory searchplugins of the Firefox programm directory.

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  31. Re:Even hard-line Islamist news portals like Firef by Glorat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hard-line Islamist??? You do know that Al-Jazeera was formed off a branch of the BBC News division that eventually detached itself from BBC and became independent. Not sure how a BBC division manages to become hard-line islamist (although I'm sure some troll will reply to tell me how it is...)

  32. Re:Egads, this is horrid. by metallidrone · · Score: 2, Informative

    > Similarly, system widgets aren't used even for in-page items like radio buttons,
    > checkboxes, buttons, text fields. I cannot fathom the hubris that makes the Mozilla
    > developers feel that their application is so uniquely important that it
    > deserves to look different than every other application on my system.

    FYI, I heard the explanation for this some time ago in #mozilla: no system widgets exist that would allow mozilla/firefox to implement the CSS specification(s).

  33. Re:OT by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a small Firefox extension called SlashFix, which takes care of this problem. It's a hack, but it works. :) Good enough till 1.1 comes out...

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  34. Re:OT by Artemis · · Score: 2, Informative
    The easiest way I know of currently to fix it is to create a bookmark on your toolbar with the following as the address, all on one line:
    javascript:(function(){var s=document.body.style;var x=s.display;s.display='none';s.display=x;})()
    Clicking on this bookmark will correct any screwed up Slashdot page in Firefox. Now if I could just find a firefox extention to remove the subdomains from slashdot.org automatically so I don't have to deal with any of these terrible color schemes (it.slashdot.org for example).
  35. Re:Still some major problems by jesser · · Score: 2, Informative

    The FireFox signtool team has been extremely unhelpful so far. Their responses have been of the "Figure it out yourself, dumbass" type.

    Who works on signtool? I want to know so I can reassign some documentation I no longer maintain.

    Our plugin won't run under FireFox 1.0 since the browser won't allow the user to install unsigned plugins.

    Firefox allows users to install unsigned extensions.

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  36. Re:Plugins by Tyrell+Hawthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

    now if only the plugins were updated ... or backwards compatible

    Up until 1.0 they haven't cared about this. It was beta software, and anything and all could be changed. Things would break, if it meant the final (1.0) product would be better. Now that we have 1.0, things designed for it won't just break, and we will have backwards compatibility.