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Color Laser Printers Tracking Everything You Print

It's not new, but it's getting noticed: Jordan writes "Yahoo! News is reporting that several printer manufacturers are now and have been for some time embedding (nearly) invisible serial numbers in every document you print with their color laser printers, allowing law enforcement to track any such document back to the printer which printed it. The technology, ostensibly created to track down money counterfeiters, was created by Xerox about 20 years ago. A Xerox researcher says that the number-embedding chip lies 'way in the machine, right near the laser' and that 'standard mischief won't get you around it.'"

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  1. Countermeasures? by fdiv(1,0) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone know any methods of getting around this short of physically ripping apart the printer and soldering a few wires together?

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    1. Re:Countermeasures? by Zen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just disconnect the yellow. Who needs all three (or four in some cases) colors anyway?

    2. Re:Countermeasures? by scribblej · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hahah, that'll work.

      "Hello Kinko's Employee. I'd like you to print 500 copies of this here One-hundred dollar bill. You can just keep one of them to cover the cost."

    3. Re:Countermeasures? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Interesting
      > I suspect that if this technology has actually been around for 20 years, it has gotten good enough to be nearly impossible to bypass.

      This technology has been around a lot more than 20 years.

      In Soviet Romania, a sample page from every typewriter had to be registered with the police, so that any samizdat produced could be quickly traced back to the typewriter's owner. Use your imagination as to what happened to the owner, or Google for it.

      In Romania every typewriter had to be registered with a local magistrate. Samples of letters typed on these machines had to be produced under the observation of the secret police so they could trace underground publishing activity.

      - G. Davey, Christian Publishing: Before and After the Communist Collapse

      In Soviet Russia, all photocopiers were registered with the KGB and kept in secure rooms, to which physical access was restricted.

      Some samizdat works, mostly magazines, were typed on typewriter. The copies were indistinct and hard to read. I realized that the movement against violating human rights was doomed to be an eternal amusement of the few intellectuals without proper copyprinters. But where could one find a copyprinting machine in the country, where all the copiers were affixed with seals at night and placed in the special rooms where only proved KGB members could work on it. There was the only decision - to make the machine ourselves. It had to be easy to make and quite efficient.

      - A. A. Bolonkin, Memoirs of Soviet Political Prisoner

      The West is probably still playing catch-up.

    4. Re:Countermeasures? by mesach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to work at a Kinkos in Southern California, We would get Regular visits from the SS looking to track down our Security tapes of the Self Serve color copiers, we got so that we could tell when people were doing illegal things and would point out that they were doing illegal things, and when they scoffed at us we would just point up, and they would "Stupidly" look up and give the cameras a good look at thier face so then when the SS would come in they had a good picture of the suspect.

      BTW it better be REAL cash, cause people at kinkos (the average employee) has already played around with copying money, and knows what thier copiers can and cannot do and most likely will spot the fake... as I am sure you know, the copiers at kinkos arent in the best maintenance condition and the colors arent calibrated that well.

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    5. Re:Countermeasures? by cyanman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, this technology has been in use since the very beginning of color laser devices, even before you could use them as a printer. Meaning this started when a color laser printer retailed for close to $100k. It was there (along with other technology) to mark everything that came out of the machine. On the Canon CLC line there is a bar code imbedded on a plate next to the copier glass. Every time you hit the start button, it reads the bar code and compares it to the value stored on the controller board to make sure you had not monkeyed with it, then it prints that bar code all over the page with single yellow pixels. How did they track it? Easy, the thing cost over $75,000. Every one that left the factory was tracked by the manufacturer. They knew where every serial number went. The feds would call up those manufacturers a few times a year asking who a machine with such and such a serial number was sold to. Fast forward to todays commercial equipment and that same thing still applies. I can't vouch for whether you can run down to Best Buy and walk out with a color laser without Best Buy recording the serial number and tying it to your name, but it will dang sure still print identifying info on every page that comes out. It would not suprise me if most of the stuff you drag home marks its territory too, including ink jets. Even if the authorities can't look you up in a database and knock on your door, if they happen to raid your place and grab your printer, try to make new friends in prison.

    6. Re:Countermeasures? by yorkpaddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I once printed up fake backstage passes at a kinko's. They weren't counterfeit or copied. I designed a logo that looked somewhat like that of a local radio station and put the concert's name on it. The employee said we don't let people print up IDs or counterfeit money, but this is just funny, so he let me. The passes were good enough for me to walk to the backstage area and act like I was supposed to be there. I ended up finding a box full of event staff tags and was able to go whererever I wanted to for the whole concert.

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    7. Re:Countermeasures? by nolife · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect that if this technology has actually been around for 20 years, it has gotten good enough to be nearly impossible to bypass.

      Good enough? I doubt it. This is one time where security through obscurity worked. Considering there is not a live market and a real desire to remove these codes, it has not passed the test of many hands. A bunch of hackers can work collectively to get around an Xbox and a Playstation because there is the incentive of more functionality and thrill of experimentation that you can share with others. Printing money is not something there is a big following for and not something you advertise that you are interested in. I would assume many big time money printers people have got around this serial number issue but it can still be used to catch the other 99% that thgouht they knew what they were doing.

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    8. Re:Countermeasures? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Are you serious? Being able to express free speech in an anonymous way is the most important part of free speak. For example, while I am pro-life, there are many pro-choice people who may want to voice their opinions anonymously because there are many pro-life freaks (not me) out there. Also think in a political way. There are people who may want to speak out against the current government or a even worse, a local government and do not want to suffer any repercussions.

      Many of the people who spoke out and signed the original Declaration of Independence were wealthy, and lost everything after they signed! Freedom of speech doesn't always come with no price tag. Sometimes people pay dearly for expressing their opinions, even in the "Land of the Free".

      I am a Conservative Christian Libertarian (I know it sounds messed up). The sad thing is that there are many in our nation that have no problems with _more_ government control. These "conservatives" offer excuses like if you have nothing to hide, then why would you care? _I_ personally care because A) I have nothing to hide and B) if I did have something to hide it is none of your @##$@# business! Our government was never set up to be "big brother". Sadly we are almost there. Many of my fellow Christians are more then willing to give up their rights/liberties because they _think_ it will make them more "safe". They think that only "bad" people would want privacy and not want "big brother" to know your every move.

      I am sorry but I will not give up my rights, liberty or privacy to make it easier for the government to catch a "bad" guy. As a "good" citizen, I am willing to help the government, police (I give them money every year), etc to stop crime, but my help stops when they try to encroach my rights. Yes, being able to print on a stinking piece of paper without the government tracking me is what I consider a right.

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  2. Just another reason... by MrDyrden · · Score: 5, Interesting
    To be lazy and NOT send in your product registration card!

    I mean, seriously. How else would they know who bought it and how to get a name from that serial number? I guess maybe if the store kept your credit card info on file or something and associated it with the serial number, but how often would that happen?

    Lesson learned, if you want to print hundreds of forged checks or counterfeit bills, pay for the printer in cash!

    1. Re:Just another reason... by 6Yankee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lesson learned, if you want to print hundreds of forged checks or counterfeit bills, pay for the printer in cash!

      But not cash that you printed yourself on a printer that wasn't paid for with cash you didn't print yourself. Or something.

    2. Re:Just another reason... by Cylix · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sweet...

      Now I just have to buy a printer at a yard sale and commit some heinous crime with it.

      Later on...

      "Yep, looks like he was murdered with this printer, but don't worry we will track it right back to the owner."

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  3. Re:Those rat b--- by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny
    "That just has to break some kind of privacy law"

    What makes you think we still have such archaic things as privacy laws anymore? Dont you know that if you have a private life the terrorists win?

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  4. CSI by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Funny

    And as we all know very well, CSI has a machine that will read the code and bring up a 3d map with your current location, a recent photo of you, and a list of every cash purchase you've made in the last six months.

    1. Re:CSI by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are confusing CSI with WalMart. You also forgot the computer that tracks every RFID-tagged item you ever bought from there or Sam's Club.

      Wait a minute...I think the last box of tin foil I bought was from WalMart! That means it probably has an RFID tag...

      IS NOTHING SACRED?!

      =Charles

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  5. odd by name773 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The technology... was created by Xerox about 20 years ago.
    It was 1984 twenty years ago.

  6. Re:Those rat b--- by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a worse one:

    Did you know that every time you touch something, you leave an invisible mark that's unique to you and can be used to track where you've been?

    It's a privacy nightmare.

  7. Re:I was right! by DanteBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course a daisy wheel printer can be tracked forensicly anyway since they suffer the same "signature" issues that a typewriter does. Hammer based printers, manual and electric typewriters, leave distinct, identifiable, characteristics in the copy that they produce. For example, wear on the hammer, a tendancy to "drop" a letter etc.

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  8. I hate to break your party by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to break your "They can't stop me i pay cash" party, but i think the idea of these serial numbers is so that if the police suspect someone and have evidence to get a warrant tehy can use printer data to secure a conviction.

  9. There is a question remaining... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have seen several arguments here that this is a perfectly harmless technology, and some of those arguments have been logical and valid. However, it still begs one question: If it is such a useful, valuable technology, why are the manufacturers not informing the customers of this "feature" in their instruction manuals or on their packaging? I checked the websites of Canon, HP, and Xerox, including the specifications of several laser printers. In none of the feature or specification listings is it said "Prints unique serial number to easily identify printer of every document!"

    If this technology is so useful, wonderful, and defensible, please feel free to inform those who pay money for your products. They might have a different view to give you. There are legitimate reasons to remain anonymous. (Even if that's just that you want to.) A desire for anonymity doesn't mean that you're doing something illegal, and that mindset is extremely dangerous, getting into the "Well if you don't want cameras in your living room, what do you have to hide?" territory.

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  10. Was I seeing these yellow dots, or others? by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Speaking of Kinko's, I worked there for about a year and a half. A lot of the time I'd see yellow dots on color-laser customer originals that was being scanned for enlargement to poster size. I'd always remove them during cleanup, because it was easy if you knew Photoshop. They were really obvious when you blew the image up 450% on the screen to get rid of dust (a dust speck on an 8.5 x 11 will look like a big drop of ink at 36 x 48).

    Up till now I've always assumed the dots I saw (usually in empty areas, and always in a regular, widely-spaced square grid pattern) were the scanner picking up the paper tone as a very light yellow and trying to dither to match. But was I actually seeing these anti-counterfeiting dots? And if so, was I committing a felony by removing them? :)

    I never noticed our Tektronix color lasers (780/7700) putting them on its output, nor the Xerox DocuColor four-color xerographic copiers (DC12/DC2045/DC6060), although the only ones I really gave the eagle-eye inspection to a lot were the DC output since the Teks were in the customer area and we usually only heard about those when they were out of toner or paper. You could see them on the customer originals if you really looked and turned the paper so the light shone off the toner, but you wouldn't notice them if you weren't looking for them.

    And if any of you out there in Kinko-land have a grid chart in your store that gives you enlargement and reduction proportions so you don't have to play with the damned wheel, yeah, I made up that chart.

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