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Debian Announces Sarge Will Include GNOME 2.8
El Cubano writes "A recent posting to the debian-devel-announce mailing list announces that Sarge will release with GNOME 2.8. From the announcement: 'After requests and a detailed proposal from the GNOME team, we accepted
an upload of GNOME 2.8 into sid, and, via the usual mechanisms, into
sarge. We should mention that the release team was running out of
objections to GNOME 2.8 in unstable that the GNOME team hasn't
satisfactorily addressed; this, and the fact that they have demonstrated
good reaction times of late are the main reasons why we're approving it
despite the timing.'"
And its scheduled for release at roughly the same time as Saddam Hussein
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Debian incorporating newly released software into stable in less than two years, who would of though.
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How about KDE 3.3?
Not that it really matters anymore - many of whom have been waiting for Sarge have got with the program and switched to Ubuntu.
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Also, this might help combat the "Debian [stable] never includes new stuff" meme. Another good thing.
Paul "Say no to feeping creaturism"
Garden Gnome 1.0 is scheduled for release on my lawn this spring...
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OWK: I felt a deep disturbance in the force. It was as if Debian decided to be more current with their packages.
Are you sure this isn't a troll?
I've never had that problem with Gnome. My system is as responsive with Gnome as my previous operating systems: Win98se and WinXP. Are you sure your system is okay?
I've been running stable (woody) since it came out, and it has served me well. I started using Adrian Bunk's backports, and then selected things from backports.org... Then I upgraded to KDE from downloads.kde.org, and then openoffice from some other backport collection. Amazingly enough, this collection of software worked well enough for me.
I recently took the plunge and converted a couple of machines to testing (soon to be sarge). First thing I will say is that even with all of the backports, the upgrade went very smoothly. And I'll also say that sarge is working well for me; so well that I've installed it on several other machines using the new debian-installer rc candidates, and that has worked flawlessly for me as well!
As soon as security update support is up and running for testing, anyone remotely interested in sarge should consider upgrading and filing bug reports as appropriate. This is how you can help speed up the "real" release of sarge!
And I do think that when sarge comes out, it's going to be an excellent platform. It is so much nicer about hardware autodetection, font handling, and about a million other things... Without losing any of the old things that you love about Debian.
Lets hope that the next stable release doesn't take too long, although given Debian's nature, it's hard to see how it won't... Assuming the official compiler moves to gcc 3.4 (or the upcoming 4.0), then there is going to be another painful transition for all of those C++ applications. Hopefully someday g++ will have a stable C++ ABI and those transitions won't be an issue for projects shipping C++ libraries... (This was one of the major issues for getting KDE into unstable earlier this year.)
I'm with you on this call dude. Gnome 2.6 and Gnome 2.8 seemed fine to me (responsive wise). It doesn't take a genius to have a poke at C lacking boundary checking. Last time I checked the kernel was written in C also- what a hack! Furthermore I thought that most Gnome's apps were written in python.
Situation now:
potato = obselete
woody = stable
sid = unstable
sarge = testing
Once sarge is declared stable,
woody = obselete
sid = unstable
sarge = stable
unknown = testing
So, sid will remain unstable and a new name for the testing branch will have to be decided (unless I missed something and that's already happened).
anyone know whether x.org will make it into sarge as well?
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is Sarge Will someone I should know? I am familiar with General Failure, though.
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And for most users, at any one point in time the Unstable one offers the best tradeoff between features and stability. The current situation is that Sid is unstable, Sarge is testing and Woody is Stable.
Real Soon Now, they'll all shuffle along one, Woody will die and Sarge will become stable. I run sarge on my home and work machines and it's completely rock solid.
Firefox 1.0 has been in sarge for a while now. Gimp 2.0.5 is in, though I'm not sure when it was released for sarge.
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To sum it up, Debian is maintaining it's own tree of Xfree86, without any material that has the new license, but with some x.org and other patches. This is what will be in Sarge.
Yah! A Debian insider is reported to have said that the Sarge release will form part of a bundle with Duke Nukem Forever.
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Sorry for the confusion - I was referring to 'stable'. I use unstable, mainly because it has all of that stuff. (Excpet E17 :)
Seriously, I should put something about "inspect message for sarcasm before replying" in my sig.
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But isn't this due to a "cultural" problem? For instance, the fine OpenBSD guys have given us strncat and strncpy, and a patch has been applied to glibc in August 2000.
/ ms g00052.html
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2000-08
GNU/Linux programmers have a bad track record on this issue. Not to mention safer languages. Consider the little attention a mainstream language like C# has gathered in the community (I won't even mention other languages that achieve C-like performance such as SML or Common Lisp). People use C for everything, not just systems programming. The result you get to read at CERT. And let's not even mention formal methods...
Main difference between the BSD license and the GPL license: one is from California and the other is from Massachusetts
Gnome 2.8 isn't older than 12 months and it is already included !! WOW
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Well... we'll still have to wait for Sarge to be released as STABLE. That could take another while...
Here's what I do: on top of a stable Debian, I run a chrooted sid. Pronto! I get the best of both (ideally, I should be using testing instead of sid, since I'm not a Debian developer).
My point being that you get the best of both worlds. It is ridiculously easy to set up a chroot jail in Debian. "Google and ye shall find."
Main difference between the BSD license and the GPL license: one is from California and the other is from Massachusetts
Yeah and I can't even get it to install on my Commodore PET.
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unstable will always be called sid. i.e.:
stable -> slink
testing -> potato
unstable -> sid
stable ->potato
testing -> woody
unstable ->sid
stable ->woody
testing -> sarge
unstable ->sid
stable ->sarge
testing -> etch
unstable -> sid
sid never changes.
Well, there you go - I didn't have a spell-checker tool available to spot that bug! :-)
I have to ask, who the hell runs stable on a desktop - and who would want to?
:P
If you want stability, testing provides plenty of it. If you don't want to update often - just don't update (often). If you really need rock solid core stability, but want newer desktop software - then run stable with apt-pining for testing or unstable, and only install what you know you want from testing/unstable.
If you want a Debian desktop with frequent releases without all this crap, use Ubuntu
Stable is supposed to be the rock solid hardware, and the only things that should change should be when there's a bugfix or security fix. The point of it is you can basically rest assured that when running updates, shit won't ever break. I don't mean just "PAM broke!" break, I mean config overwritten, changed options, etc. break. The system for all intents and purposes could be set to automatically grab updates and run for years.
Disclaimer: I've never used Ubuntu, I'm a Debian man who suffers the trials of using apt-pining just like everyone else who wants this should have to!
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From what I understand, this is due to the Kernel.
In Windows, the application that is in the foreground (with the currently active window) actually gets a scheduler priority boost from the operating system.
Under Linux, this is not the case.
What does that mean? In Windows, interactive applications are snappier, but the background programs lag more. If you're running Windows, right-click on My Computer and hit Properties.
Go to the Advanced tab and hit the Settings button under Performance. Go to the Advanced tab and the first option I believe controls this behaviour.
unstable will always be called sid.
Yes, go watch Toy Story...Sid is the unstable next door neighbor with a tendency to blow stuff up. Debian unstable is aptly named.
I'm going to go back in my box and will think within the limits of my box: MS Sucks Linux Good I read too much Slashdot.
Its not a troll, its a valid complaint for those who choose to not ignore the current problems in gnome2.8.
I like gnome2.8 and use it at home for the family. For that use, its unmatchable, even against windows. I use KDE3.3 at work for development.
Here is what I have personally seen though in gnome2.8:
When using the file chooser, it is possible for it to not use / as the root directory when browsing in some cases. It is also possible to click on your home directory on the left and completely lose access to the root filesystem. There is no back or up button so in that case the user must close the file chooser and reopen if they lose their spot.
If I do an AltF2 in gnome 2.8 to run a program, it takes 4-5 seconds to get the second character. I know its trying to autocomplete but that is ridiculous. In KDE, is instantaneous.
When I open firefox or even galeon, it takes 5-10 seconds to actually get a window. In KDE, konqueror loads in less than 2 seconds, everytime.
If I want to add a base item to the main menu, I am SOL in gnome.
There are three different screens configuring CD actions when CD/DVD is put in the drive. Each one does something different and only a specific combination of options across all of them will make gnome do what I want it to.
If you are using an app that utilizes the gnome filechooser and want to load a file from the local network, you are SOL unless you have previously created a network device/mount. There is no location bar that can be used to manually type in an address (for me ssh:// and smb://) on the fly. Sure grandma doesnt need this, but developers and power users sure do. Its not even an option.
Why does gnome still show http source when doing a http://www.cnn.com from nautilus? I would think that this would at least open up your default browser and give you the website. I dont know why an everyday user would want to see the source from a website instead of the rendered website. This is probably due tot he fact that gnome believes file browsers and webbrowsers are two separate applications I imagine.
Gnome needs to show either OSS or alsa, but not both (but support both). Its hard to determine which sound bar to use to get the appropriate sound level. When your kernel loads both modules. Sure I can disable one, but why cant gnome just choose one on the fly to use and stick with it.
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