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Australia Chooses Education Over Filtering

riprjak writes "The Australian federal government has rejected a call for Internet filtering to 'protect' Australians from child pornography and has opted instead to undertake an education and information campaign to teach parents about the perils of the Internet."

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  1. State of Shock by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Funny

    A government made a sensible, non-kneejerk decision with regard to the Internet?

    I want to to move there!

    Oh, wait... I already did. :)

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    1. Re:State of Shock by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A very sensible move by the Australian government. However, I do hope it also applies to their "number 1" telco, Telstra and their BigPond (aka Big Pong) ISP who did indeed filter a particular site recently.

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    2. Re:State of Shock by Manip · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It does sound good.. but remember this is also the country that decided to import American law as part of a 'free-trade' type agreement.

    3. Re:State of Shock by krumms · · Score: 3, Informative

      It wasn't "filtered" so to speak - it was redirected to an intermediate page. You could still get to the gay porn if you really wanted to.

    4. Re:State of Shock by MEGAMAID · · Score: 2, Informative

      ffs, were you asleep when that happened? They didn't totally block the site. They simply gave people a choice by putting up a page which meant that you needed one extra click to get to your gay porn.

      Very responsible I thought.

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    5. Re:State of Shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It does sound good.. but remember this is also the country that decided to import American law as part of a 'free-trade' type agreement.

      You can be right about one thing and wrong about a great many others.

      For example, the US also does not filter the internet. But nevertheless, it is notorious throughout the world as a liar and a rogue nation, lacking basic freedom of the press, and basic democratic principles.

      Or at least, that's what I hear on slashdot.

    6. Re:State of Shock by Sime208 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a breath of fresh air reading what Australia will do.

      Trying to plug the hole that is child Internet porn would be an ongoing battle swallowing much time and resource better spent elsewhere. Sure the majority don't want to see it and have no interest in it spreading, but trying to stop it is like trying to stop the use of drugs. If people want it, they'll get it. I'd rather my tax dollars went into dealing with it at the source.

      It also means the Government won't be submerged in requests of other anti- groups to stop whatever else they decide doesn't take their fancy.

    7. Re:State of Shock by krumms · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could still get to the gay porn if you really wanted to.

      I mean, not that I'd know or anything. :o

  2. Finally some sense... by ebsf1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oi oi oi

    1. Re:Finally some sense... by thatJoshGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!

      Off topic? Just cause you yank's don't speak Australian, doesn't make it off topic

  3. In the spirit of Fark.com threads... by Buran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [HERO]

  4. It's been cencored for a while .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Internet at schooles (or at least the ones I worked at) already had an internet filtration in place which was controlled at a state level. Bear in mind this was Queensland, I wouldn't know about other states.

    1. Re:It's been cencored for a while .. by dns_server · · Score: 2, Informative

      In South Australia it is the same, there are the same types of filters in place. it is funny when your teacher uses the internet to look up legitamate topics such as sexual harrasment, but it is blocked because the site contains the key word 'sex'.

  5. My god... by VirtualWolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the Howard government doing something intelligent?!

    ::looks outside to see if the sky is falling::

  6. It's a step by monkease · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really, it's laudable that the response by the Aussies is not the cyber-equivalent of smart-bombing (*cough*ChineseEmbassy*cough*Kosovo) but it's still part of the whole growing-pains thing that we'll experience for many years.

    I'm not sure any government (save, maybe, South Korea's, which is its current form as a direct result of the internet) realizes just how much the internet is changing the world. Protecting your citizens' bodies is one thing--hunt those child-kidnappers down!--but it's too late for their minds...

    and that's a good thing.

  7. In Australia... by 12+inch+pianist · · Score: 2, Funny

    only stupid people vote for filtering.

    pr0n.au is my next investment.

    1. Re:In Australia... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      only stupid people vote for filtering.

      However, an awful lot of stupid people voted for the Howard government. Go figure...

  8. This seems really smart by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless you consider that kids still have access to the pornography and no amount of "education" is really going to block them or persuade them from accessing it.

    It's like those billboards that tell you that "God is Protecting You". It only reaches those who want to be reached.

    1. Re:This seems really smart by sinewalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, isn't the issue that:
      a) the children who are the subject of child-porn are the main victims.
      b) banning such content from viewing in Australia does nothing for the poor children photographed oversees in the first place (the proposal was to filter out kid porn from outside Aust).
      c) "what about the children viewing the porn?" Yes indeed. And what about the other offensive things they view, like adult porn, or bestiality, or planes flying into tall buildings, or.... where is the line drawn?

      Filtering is not an answer. Education, while only reaching those who's mind-share you already have, is probably the only sensible solution, and it only addresses item c. Unforturnately nothing can be done about a or b. Directly. In fact by filtering it out, you lose the opportunity to catch the adult consumers of the content, and hense lose a lead back to the perpetrators of a...

      I think that lead is worth keeping.

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    2. Re:This seems really smart by Anne+Honime · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Unless you consider that kids still have access to the pornography and no amount of "education" is really going to block them or persuade them from accessing it.

      We've go a saying for this : a child who tumble inadvertantly over porn is not enough overlooked by the adult in charge of him, and that's the adult responsability ; a child who finds porn after looking for it is not a child anymore.

    3. Re:This seems really smart by monkease · · Score: 2, Insightful

      c) "what about the children viewing the porn?" Yes indeed. And what about the other offensive things they view, like adult porn, or bestiality, or planes flying into tall buildings, or.... where is the line drawn?

      I hope I'm not getting too philosophical here, but that's a good point: What about the children viewing the porn? Now, I understand that minors are not supposed to be looking at any porn, and I understand that quite a lot of the child porn out there is a result of gross exploitation of children, but I'll relate an anecdote: My brother was 12 or 13 when I first started noticing his porn trails on the computer. I was distressed to find that some of the porn he was looking at was of girls around his age. Now none of these were hardcore images; most looked like webcam shots. Now, I couldn't tell him that it was "wrong" for him to be interested in girls of his own age, & I couldn't make the claim that these girls were being exploited (anymore than regular porn actresses/models/whatever are being exploited)--can you make the argument that these girls were exploiting themselves?

      What it came down to was, "look guy, I sympathize, I do, but if these are found on the computer, me & dad are going to be in a world of hurt. Here, he's a couple good regular porn sites..."

      I suppose my question is, with such malleable morals (as morals are today) how can we legislate on morality? (Note: Legislating to protect minors is a GREAT idea) Or rather, what is the difference between legislating protection and legislating morality?

  9. educating the public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And remember folks... if you go to warez sites, you're going to get child porn popups from hell.

  10. Excuse my ignorance but by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article quotes

    including a British-style national internet filtering system but rejected it.

    I wasn't aware that the UK has a national internet filtering system. Can anyone elaborate?

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    1. Re:Excuse my ignorance but by timmyf2371 · · Score: 5, Informative
      We don't.

      British Telecom's ISP blocks certain underage porn sites which are found on an IWF black list, however this is not a legal requirement by any means and AFAIK they are the only British ISP currently to do such a thing.

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  11. For those that didn't RTFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Basically the low down is Australia will have really educated children porn stars.

  12. kids are afraid by arjovenzia · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As you may or may not know, there has been a massive, hugely publicized crackdown on child porn in Australia. and the byproducts are visible.

    I recently cleaned a friend-of-the-family's PC of a major spy ware infestation, brought on by their 7 yo son going on a porn site, egged on by his mates (as mates do). when the subsequent torrent of pop ups occurred a few days later, he was petrified that the cops were going to come and lock him up, as has happened to all the other people we have been hearing about on the radio/TV/papers.

    Although it wont have a lasting effect (IMHO, if pron is there, it will get assessed), but not for a while he will stay away. the poor kid was so terrified, so conscious of what he had done, he will need some serious hormones to get up the courage.

  13. Out of character... by B747SP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've got to say, given our (.au) history on matters Internet related, this is very much out-of-character. Refreshing though!

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    1. Re:Out of character... by SQL+Error · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, most of the previous idiocies can be laid at the door of Brian Harradine. Now that he's gone and the Liberals control the senate, the government doesn't have to listen to minor-party media-whores anymore.

  14. AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE.... by lachlan76 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oi! Oi! Oi!

    If you're not Australian, and don't know, then don't even try to understand ;)

  15. What are the mod's smoking? by zoloto · · Score: 2

    Off topic? This is more insightful than anything. Consider what sensible action this government of theirs has taken regarding one of the best tools mankind has ever had for the retrieval and dissemination of information! Yes there are bad things that we don't want our kids to be viewing at an age where they don't comprehend things as we do. Sure violence and certain types of sexual innuendo may be inappropriate for young kids to view because of their inexperience and easily molded minds, where they may become confused and not interpret things correctly as we, their parents, would have taught them correctly.

    [HERO] is definitely not off topic. You mods certainly are.

    Let the karma burn.

  16. Fellow Aussies, don't worry... by ttys00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Little Johnny will soon recover from this horrible bout of common sense, and will go back to selling our country out to American corporations.

  17. What about filtering in public venues? by dannytaggart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The government rejected a national filtering system and is instead providing "education". Have they considered requiring filters in schools, public libraries, and government offices (as is being considered in the US)? This kind of system would not have the same drawbacks as a national filter.

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    1. Re:What about filtering in public venues? by the_raptor · · Score: 2, Informative

      There already is in 99% of those places.

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    2. Re:What about filtering in public venues? by L0k11 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      oh yes dont worry about that... as part of our welfare system you are forced to attend job searching sessions (basicly you are supervised while you send your resume via email to a million and one jobs that wont take you anyway but you have to make up a quota of job applications per day or you get cut off)

      Whilst looking through a website of a large clothing company the governments efficient little filter booted us off because we clicked on a link that said "girls fashions"

      meanwhile thanks to the crude keyword filtering some dropkicks were actively looking at porn and getting welfare payments for it... and dont worry, i start work at a real job on saturday...

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  18. Well Good For Them by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 2

    It's uplifting to see that at least some places in the world are willing to aim for a more intelligent citizenry than simply legislating morality and restricting personal freedoms to for the sake of the idiot majority.

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  19. Did I make a difference? by EvilCabbage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wrote a metric shit tonne of emails to various people in positions of power about this.

    I doubt very much at the end of the day my words directly had much to do with it, but some part of me really hopes it did. If only one minister sat and thought twice about what I'd written to them and it somehow swayed them to the more sensible course of action, I think I can be a little bit prouder of my country.

    I'm sure I wasn't the only person making their voices heard over this issue, thanks to everybody else who stood up and let them know what we thought. We've done well this time.

  20. In the spirit of people who don't visit Fark.com by Vicsun · · Score: 5, Funny

    [WHAT]

  21. When I saw the story title ... by dhilvert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... I immediately assumed that the benefits of uncensored information had been recognized as a boon to education. Perhaps I was suffering from momentary naivete, but this interpretation still seems to hold much more promise than the other.

  22. The biggest threat by leereyno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always believed, even as a child, that the biggest threat to children are their elders.

    I know I for one never appreciated being lied to and manipulated, both of which largely define the relationship between the young and old.

    One of the questions we commonly hear asked is what advice we would give to someone younger than us, what do we know now that we wished we'd known growing up.

    Well my advice for the children of the world is this: Don't believe what people tell you, especially your parents. Keep your own counsel and take everything with a grain of salt. Just because someone loves you don't mean they won't lie to you, and it most definitely doesn't preclude their being crazy, stupid, ignorant, or some combination of all three.

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  23. From an Australian school student's perspective by BlastM · · Score: 2, Informative

    No no no.

    Web filtering might sound good in theory, but in practice too many sites with educational benefit are blocked.

    However, web filtering is not just an inconvenience.

    There is an alterior motive at work. The state is censoring information that might allow impressionable youths to form opinions that might be critical of the government.

    I am a Year 12 student of a high school in NSW. Sites that have been blocked by the proxy that I have noticed include: *.mozilla.org; *.sourceforge.*; *.sf.net; etc, etc. I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before SlashDot is blocked too. However, porn popups often appear thanks to the school using IE and infested Windows 98 machines (Microsoft donates licences to our school, the practice of which ominously reflects Hitler's Jungvolk).

    Of course, there are easy ways to get around the blocks, as there is no way you can completely filter the web effectively. It's an inconvenience for me, but someone who isn't a geek will miss out on access to a lot of information.

    The stated goal of web filtering is to 'protect' us from viewing "objectionable material" such as dangerous, dangerous porn, but more and more sites are being censored to 'protect' us from websites that aren't directly-related to the short sighted curriculum, e.g. mozilla or sourceforge, and soon we will be 'protected' from material that the state finds objectionable, such as critics of the government. The political blogs will go first because few will notice, then soon the news sites until only Packer's and Murdoch's news sites are endorsed for student viewing by the government.

    1. Re:From an Australian school student's perspective by sc0ob5 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well I feel I am capable of replying to this.

      I have worked for three years as a network administrator at a highschool, and to the people that say their is filtering already on a state or national scale is slightly wrong. It is true that there is filtering already in place but thats only if you have a contract with a company that provides filtering, which many schools have, at least public schools in South Australia. I can not say that this is what its like in other states but I would assume it is the same case. However, I found like many people have said that sites are blocked that should not be. I have disabled the filtering and decided to do local filtering through squid. I find that it is much better in terms of sites that get blocked that shouldn't be, of course there are always going to be sites that are blocked that shouldn't be but because its local students can come to me and tell me the site and I can un block it on the spot as opposed to the 24hour wait on centeral filters. It takes more effort on the part of the Administrator but after all isn't that what they are there for in the first place?

      I can only imagine that sites such as mozilla and sourceforge are banned to stop students from downloading large programs and when schools are charged 13c a meg for downloads I can see the reasoning, particularly in under funded public schools. Also on the mozilla thing, I have blocked the mozilla site because of the fact that I choose to force proxy settings in IE.

      Its easy to critise but much harder to understand the reasoning. I am glad that the government understands that education is the right way, personally I would hate to see a national filter for internet traffic.

      Anyway I am glad I'm not working in that job anymore, underfunding in schools is whats going to impede on education and not internet filtering. I'm glad they made the right choice but I believe there are more important things to worry about such as upto date text books.

    2. Re:From an Australian school student's perspective by NeuralAbyss · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll give up my modpoints in this article, and post a network admin's view from Victoria.

      I used to (well, still do on a part-time basis) work as a network admin for a secondary school in Victoria. Previously, until about 2 years ago, all government schools were mandated to use a state-government-selected ISP (Fuck you, Edunet!) which had a DEET-approved filtering system (N2H2). Given that they were working within the constraints of the VicOne WAN, they did an acceptable job, but outsourcing the filtering was one of the worse moves possible. Many educational and open-source-related sites were blocked, and it took upto 24 hours to get a site unblocked - the central filters were updated via a daily cronjob.

      Things have improved slightly with regards to filtering - they have now allowed schools to filter by category, and turn off filtering for users (network admins/staff), but there's still the problem of inappropriate content being blocked.

      I, personally, would like to see an instant unblocking option available for staff in schools, once they have reviewed the site in question. Yes, many within the system say that staff should check this when developing their lesson plans, but given the time constraints, the current filtering system is less than workable. I should say that, for the record, we have moved to the private (non-Telstra) incarnation of Edunet - Schoolsnet. Different name, same low SLA.

  24. Re:Good for Australia, sucks to Haradine by Mant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Completely Darwinian?

    I'd think it is much more about religiously beleifs of the early American settlers. Plenty of cultlures, both ancient and modern, have been much more relaxed about portraying sex than the USA. Plenty are still around, so it doesn't seem to be a trait promoting survival/reproduction which would make it Darwinian.

    That doesn't mean that adultary or the like is more socially accepted there.

  25. Which just proves by Paddo_Aus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "One can't solve a sociological problem with a technological solution." - Edwards Law

  26. Redirection of resources by michaeldot · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is not just commonsense, it will also free up for resources for fighting the TRUE dangers to our children here in sunny Oz:

    If the dingoes don't get our babies, Steve Irwin will feed them to a crocodile!

  27. Re:Picks jaw off floor . . . . by mwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow...trusting the collective brainpower of an entire society, instead of depending on mechanisms created only by a handful of people who think and act just like the politicians...what a revolutionary idea!}irony off{