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Anti-Spyware Products Don't Live Up to Promises
John Wells writes "In the December, 2004 issue of PC World, the author of an article titled Poor Defenders concludes that most commercial anti-spyware software is ineffective. In tests using a fresh install of XP and 6 typical spyware infections the commercial software failed to stack up against freeware competitor Spybot Search and Destroy. Four out of seven commercial products failed to remove any of the infections. One product even installed 57 spyware files itself! Conclusion: Use freeware products like Spybot and Lavasoft's Ad-Aware SE Personal."
So where does this guy get his "paid" spyware removal applications? Clicking on popups? Oh... wait...
many of these utilities use aggressive marketing tactics in pop-up ads, spam, and keyword ads appearing alongside Google search results
Though I suppose this is how they sucker a lot of people and some people expect results if they pay for a utility, I would probably do at least a LITTLE research before paying for any app like that. The thing is, I would hardly consider this "most commercial anti-spyware software." So as far as this "test," he might as well do an article about Virtual Bouncer and how it removed his parasites for him.
Why didn't he test something like Spy Sweeper or Giant AntiSpyware? Those are paid ones that I would probably recommend if someone did want to pay for a program. At least that way, people would see that not ALL commerical products are crap - it does almost sound like that.
But really, Spybot isn't even cutting it anymore, IMO. AdAware is still doing well, but I've actually been more impressed with the other two I mentioned above - worth a look if you haven't checked them out - both have free trials that you would have no problems doing a removal with.
Nathan Shafer, answering our e-mail message to Spyware Stormer, challenged our test methodology. Shafer wrote that Spyware Stormer detects "over 20,000 variants of spyware and adware," and that its performance with the six applications we chose was therefore "hardly representative in any way."
They are absolutely correct here although there are only four programs you should ever install for combating spyware: Adaware, SpyBot S&D, SpywareBlaster, and a good software firewall package (preferably one that tells you when something is trying to connect out to the Internet like ZoneAlarm). You need to keep these programs updated on a regular basis and you need to make sure that they run regularly. Unfortunately only SpyBot S&D runs w/o user intervention if you set it up to do so.
SpyBot, while being a great program, isn't updated nearly as often as AdAware and doesn't find all those pesky cookies that AdAware does. SpywareBlaster is good for keeping those pesky cookies from getting onto your machine in the first place.
We were unable to reach NoAdware, but the Better Business Bureau of Upstate New York reported that it had received 22 complaints about the company, which is not a member of the BBB, by early October. Network Dynamics has a clean record as a member of Southern California's BBB. The BBB's complaint database contained no record of complaints for the remainder of the companies whose products we tested.
The BBB has fallen into worthlessness in recent years (I don't know about years passed). They have little to no pull and sometimes they even go so far as to ignore complaints against their companies. I would ignore any comments in regards to BBB related businesses.
Basically you need to research what you are installing on your machine. That means using google, word of mouth, and your own deep digging before you put any "cleaning" program on your machine. You also need to do some research into making sure that you are using what you can to combat Spyware.
Sadly, most people out there don't know, care, or care to know. That's why they end up w/it in the first place. If people DID care about what they were installing on their computer AND took the time to do a quick google search they would find out exactly what they need to know.
It has gotten to the point where I seriously believe that MSFT is doing this on purpose in order to show the public why they NEED to use "protected computing".
hijackThis seems to find all the stuff that others leave behind, and it's free (as in beer). Almost everybody I know uses it too.
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install firefox
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profit
really if you are still using IE you are bringing it on yourself, i loved IE, but it has become garbage
That convinces your little sister she doesn't need a barbie IE brower theme or a cursor that looks like a puppy dog. Hold that, I want a program that turns the cursor into a weapon of some fashion that I may use to smite that damend purple monkey on my computer. That's worth my website traffic being shipped of to who knows where in itself.
-or so you'd think
Folks, I'm telling you, I've used Yahoo's new Spyware program that sits in the Yahoo toolbar and the thing works BETTER than AdAware. I'm serious. I had to fix my parents' and my inlaws' PCs, both with XP2. I've used AdAware and a few other freebies on both, but they still ran slow. So, for the hell of it, I used the new Yahoo thingy and it found TONS of stuff the others did not, including a trojan spam application. I have yet to see anyone talk about this app (even Ars Technica's latest Spyware article neglected to talk about it).
NoAdware "removed some stuff, but it also deleted something on the hard drive so the computer couldn't reboot," Smith says. After reinstalling Windows, Smith sent multiple messages to NoAdware requesting a refund, which she received four months after her initial request.
They actually gave her money back. That's good right? Sure they took four months, but they did it. She should shut up and stop complaining. They could have just blamed her for it since she really couldn't have proven anything.
manda
I'm curious if there are comparable-quality Freeware/Shareware anti-virus products available? I don't mind paying for a product, but don't like having the product cease to function unless more money is extorted out of me in perpetuity. I'm sick and tired of Symantec shaking me down for subscription updates, and subsequent versions of their products becoming more bloated and inefficient.
A couple tips for removing spyware from windows. Run both ad-aware and spybot - search and destroy. after you run them you might still have some spyware. If this happens turn off system restore (at your own risk)and then reboot into safe-mode and run the checkers again. This can remove some of the hangers on. Also a great utility is www.doxdesk.com. It shows you how to manually unregister DLL files and also does a web based check for some common spyware.
It was either this or more "What I Did With My iPod" stories.
sulli
RTFJ.
The fundamental difference between freeware and proprietry anti-malware software is that the freeware are doing it for the love of the game, or in this case their hatred for spyware in all its daemonic forms.
Commerical anti-spyware vendors on the other hand are in in for the $$$ and that means they are susseptable to temptation, i.e allow malwarez who give them money to get through, use malwarez tactics to get money and do things other than what it says on the tin while users aren't looking.(read, kazaa)
I suppose commerical vendors are just more idealogically close to the spammers, who are also in it for the money.
In any case, if you need an 'infrastructural' type software program, your nearly always better off going FOSS anyway. That's my 2c.
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In tests using a fresh install of XP and 6 typical spyware infections
So, a fresh install of XP then
The open source community really needs to rally behind this, I think.
I'd love to see a project that uses community involvment to flag projects and websites as "phishing" or "spyware" related.
It could be integrated into open source projects such as Firefox and Thunderbird so you could be assured that after a few people in the community confirmed that a particular URL or even IP was "phishing" or "spyware" related, it would be disabled in the browser or email client without a blood sample and double confirmation.
I, for one, am sick of helping other people clean their computers of spyware. Many of them become so bogged down they are unusable.
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I think that it might have something to do with the phrase 'anti-competitive lawsuit.'
No spyware is not an OS problem, I have Windows machines, I use IE, I do not have a spyware problem. My girlfriend runs Windows, she uses IE, she does not have a spyware problem, and while I may be catagorized as more cluefull then the average user, she is the average user excepting for one thing, she actually learned how to use her computer. Do you consider a person refusing to clean their duct work, or take their car in for a tune up a problem with the house or the car? No its the users fault, and its the same with spyware. How long have people been told, don't click on everything you see? Don't open that mail? Hell its even on the news now. This is a problem with people activly refusing to learn. Spyware writers do not target Windows, they target IDIOTS. There are spyware apps that target Mozilla that do things they shouldn't, so why are there not more? The target is idiots, thats why, you will see more and more targeting Mozilla as more and more of the target audience are convinced to use it.
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There are some systemic problems with Windows, particularly the Windows/IE combination, that allow spyware to flourish -- the lack of a way for a common user to get a good idea what's running on their system besides MS-installed OS files, for example, or the multitude of places that auto-starting spyware can hide its startup away from the user's notice. But in the end the people who have spyware problems are almost universally the people who clicked on a link from an unknown source that promised them something cool (or more often than not, something astonishingly lame by more educated users' standards..) If your momand other users like her could be trained not to click on "Click here to install our FREE animated weather-forecasting dancing baby!" when she doesn't know anything about the source of the offer, 90% of the problem would go away overnight.
Probably got to the point where pop ups from spyware infected computers were making people think twice about windows as an os
Haha. As if people actually knew was an OS was...
The real reason MS hasn't created a spyware blocker? Because peanut galleries like Slashdot would go up in arms about how MS is trying to "take over another market", cry about unfair competition, whine about too much bloat, etc. I mean, just look at how Slashdotters whined and cried like a bunch of 4 year olds this morning when Microsoft announced they were entering the blog publishing realm. When you're Microsoft, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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If I am not mistaken (I use a Mac, so my contact with sypware is largely in removing it from other folks' computers) even the good free programs (adaware, spybot, etc) are closed source. As soon as the makers stop updating them, they become useless, as they can't remove newer spyware.
I've often wondered if it'd be feasible to start an open source spyware zapper project - the scanner wouldn't be too tough to write I don't think, and you could get the community to keep submitting updated definitions for newly found spyware via some sort of wiki-esq mechanism.
Could this work? And if so, could we also make our own anti-virus program while we're at it?
Spyware exists for Mac OS X.
So why don't any Spyware removers exist?
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"Rogue/Suspect" means that these products are of unknown, questionable, or dubious value as anti-spyware protection.
Some of the products listed on this page simply do not provide proven, reliable anti-spyware protection. Others may use unfair, deceptive, high pressure sales tactics and false positives to scare up sales from gullible, confused users. A very few of these products are either associated with known distributors of spyware/adware or have been known to install spyware/adware themselves. Users are advised to rely on anti-spyware applications with deserved reputations for trustworthy performance.
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besides the usual .. use firefox..
/pid [proccess1] /pid [proccess2] /f
.dll and can't delete it because some proccess is using it.. or want to know which process is using it.. try "tasklist /m [dll_filename]"
... so every now and then i get cmd.exe windows.. until adaware releases a fix for what i have :)
the other night my laptop got a spyware infestation and this was the most serious one i had come across..
adaware and spybot couldn't detect anything.. yet i kept getting IE popups.. I booted to safe mode but guess what.. an IE popup while adaware is running (network was not available) in safe mode!
so i back to windows normal mode, pull up sysinternal's processEx to see which process starts the IE process.. and i was surprised to find that the IE popups were from winlogon.exe! later i found out that the sypware had also modified my winsock files..
anyway.. to the tips.. sometimes you have two processes that monitor each other, so when you kill one, the other process respawns the proccess you just killed. unless you are lightining fast with taskmgr... you can kill both at the same with taskkill
if you find a
the "[" "]" don't mean optional parameters.. i couldn't use the less/greater signs
the sypware that i got installed was hosted at rackspace.. so i called up rackspace (@3am CST).. bitched about it and they contacted their spyware client.. you would expect then to stop hosting the spyware.. instead rackspace sent me a link for a utility to download (utility provided by the spyware client).. which removed whatever i had but installed more spyware!!
In the end, i renamed iexplore.exe and put a copy of cmd.exe as iexplore.exe
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Could we please all help our 'friend' in promoting his selling of spyware dll usage?
The domain name is:
LOCALNRD.COM
The address is this:
Thinking Media LP
275 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10016
Or please give a call to show your support for spyware and your desire to do business with them.
1(866)839-6164
Thanks for helping the cause!!!!