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Digital Clock Without Electricity or Moving Parts

NerdMachine writes "Throw away those slide rules and embrace the digital age. The Digital Sundial is a 10 year old invention on display in Sundial Park (Genk, Belgium), Deutsches Museum (Munich Germany), Kölnisches Stadtmuseum (Cologne, Germany), and Martha's Vineyard, USA. You need to pivot it to adjust daylight savings time. If you can't visit one of these, Digital Sundials International can sell you one for US$12,000+, or you can buy a pocket version for under US$100 for that special nerd in your life."

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  1. Sunlight? Heard about it by SIGALRM · · Score: 5, Funny
    In the true tradition of all sundials, the device is purely passive - it operates without electricity, and has no moving parts. Instead, the sunlight is cast through two cleverly designed masks
    I live in Seattle. Just a wild guess... but I don't think these clocks are going to sell well here.
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    1. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or New York City. Wasn't there something recently about how the buildings are so tall they're blocking out the sun?

    2. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Torch light sales might go up though if this thing catches on.
      Well, those torches better be able to move like the sun, otherwise the clock won't work.
    3. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by dna42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

    4. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have my thoughts about it being a flunk too.. This is the thing geeks would love to have, unfortunately, I very much doubt it would work in basements, and normal people would just buy a digital watch, cos they think they're still pretty neat.

    5. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by Rei · · Score: 2, Funny

      I worry more about when there's that floating exclamation point over my head. Not only does it make me look funny and block out my ability to look up, but invariably when it happens, someone comes up and starts trying to talk with me. It gets boring after a while.

      I suppose you could use the exclamation point to light a sundial like this, but most graphics cards aren't good enough for something like that.

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    6. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by iocat · · Score: 2
      It's not a watch. It's a clock.

      Yes, I am the most pedantic member of the slashdot community ever.

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    7. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by fbjon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, you don't realize the potential of a digital sundial wristwatch!!!

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    8. Re:Sunlight? Heard about it by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live in Seattle. Just a wild guess... but I don't think these clocks are going to sell well here.

      Just get the guy who figured out how to sell fridges to Eskimos.

  2. What i need for Christmas!! by CmdrObvious · · Score: 2, Funny

    That will go perfectly with my new Digital Sun! I cant wait!

    1. Re:What i need for Christmas!! by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Sundials don't work, the one I've had in my basement hasn't changed time since I installed it.

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    2. Re:What i need for Christmas!! by neverutterwhen · · Score: 4, Funny

      A quick hack for this would be to remove the rest of your house.

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  3. Defeating the purpose of the sundial by ralphart · · Score: 5, Funny

    $12,000 USD?? That doesn't seem like a very bright idea.

  4. Re:No Electricity? by silicon-pyro · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA. From the product info:

    Sunlight is cast through two cleverly designed masks in the shape of numbers that show the current time of day

    Its a cool idea.

  5. I cringe by TheRoachMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I cringe at the sight of that Belgian website about the sundial park in Genk. Awful awful awful. I'm ashamed for my country.

    1. Re:I cringe by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Twoo words Beer and Choclate. Waffles indeed.

  6. No by Slur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My understanding at this moment before reading the article is that it uses shadows and light to make a digital readout.

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  7. Whoa by underpar · · Score: 4, Funny

    $12,000 USD?? That doesn't seem like a very bright idea.

    And if you're not bright enough it won't work when you're inside.... That's deep.

  8. Not until... by bourne_id · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. they have built-in calculators, can be worn on the wrist, and can run a scaled-down version of Linux.

    JMD

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    1. Re:Not until... by freakmn · · Score: 3, Funny

      So Solaris running it now isn't good enough for you?

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  9. Doesn't a sundial require a moving part? by I_am_Rambi · · Score: 5, Funny

    as in the earth. If the earth didn't rotate, it wouldn't work. Sorry, but there must be a moving part.

    1. Re:Doesn't a sundial require a moving part? by njfuzzy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sundials would also work with a moving sun. ;)

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    2. Re:Doesn't a sundial require a moving part? by Penguinshit · · Score: 5, Funny


      Is that you, Aristotle?

    3. Re:Doesn't a sundial require a moving part? by John+Harrison · · Score: 2, Funny

      in the same manner that a sense of humour is not part of you, right?

    4. Re:Doesn't a sundial require a moving part? by njfuzzy · · Score: 2, Funny
      No, not at all.

      But I will give you a clue:

      "Give me a place to stand and a lever long enough and I will move the world."

      ;)

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    5. Re:Doesn't a sundial require a moving part? by NardofDoom · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone stop this frame-of-reference madness!!

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  10. Re:No Electricity? by san · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it doesn't. It consists of two plates with lines, which either transmit or block light depending on the specific location of the sun (the viewer needs to be at a specific position).

    The visible lines then align in such a way that you can read off the time in digits. Hence 'digital'.

  11. Sunlight? Pocket? by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
    If you can't visit one of these, Digital Sundials International can sell you one for US$12,000+, or you can buy a pocket version for under US$100 for that special nerd in your life."

    Evidently the sun does shine there for some people...

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  12. Douglas Adams quote by gmknobl · · Score: 3, Funny

    We "still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea."

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  14. Only 10 years old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This has to be the fastest slashdot has got an article to the frontpage. Congratulations

  15. Re:The sound of silence by NardofDoom · · Score: 3, Funny
    So when they call me into work at 2AM to fix something I can show up at 7 and say my watch wasn't working.

    Excellent.

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  16. Okay, so to recap by cardshark2001 · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's some kind of fancy light bouncing device that can tell you what time it is every 5 minutes. It's not incredibly useful at night. You can't play doom on it.

    Next!

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  17. Spoiled Kids These Days... by Godling · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...will never learn to read a proper sundial.

    1. Re:Spoiled Kids These Days... by daeley · · Score: 3, Funny

      So are you saying gnomon is an island?

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  18. Wow by slapout · · Score: 2, Funny

    I could buy 17 Linux licences from SCO for that!

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  19. Ahh, sunlight... by revolvement · · Score: 5, Funny

    A slashdotter's arch-nemesis.

    *runs from the flames*

  20. The Equation of Time by apikoros · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although the clock is set to read in 5 or 10 minute intervals, depending on the time of year it could still be up to 16 minutes fast or slow compared to your watch or clock because of the Equation of time. Our sense of time is so conditioned by our dependence on the mechanical/digital that solar time is now percieved to be "wrong".

    1. Re:The Equation of Time by shawb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then there's the fact that the sun does not necesarilly shine for one half of a day (day being one complete revolution of the earth around its axis, not sunrise -> sunset... erk.)

      Where I live (Milwaukee, WI) sunset can be as early as 4:20 PM on the winter solstice and as late as 8:35 PM on Summer solstice (Central Standard Times, I believe.) I'd think that right before sunset the clock would read 6:00PM, so that's over an hour and a half off.

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  21. Better information by fredistheking · · Score: 4, Informative
  22. Re:Hate to say it, but... by Kymermosst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not a digital clock in any sense of the word.

    What high school did you graduate from? Obviously they weren't doing their job.

    From dictionary.reference.com:

    digital

    1. Of, relating to, or resembling a digit, especially a finger.
    2. Operated or done with the fingers: a digital switch.
    3. Having digits.
    4. Expressed in numerical form, especially for use by a computer.
    5. Computer Science. Of or relating to a device that can read, write, or store information that is represented in numerical form. See Usage Note at virtual.
    6. Using or giving a reading in digits: a digital clock.


    Please see #6, and then go think about why you don't know the definitions of common words. It also seems that you can't be bothered to look them up.

    Are you sure you are 'intelligent' by any sense of that word?

    (Sorry, I couldn't resist...)

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  23. Re:Hate to say it, but... by ottergoose · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's not a digital clock in any sense of the word.

    It shows the time with discrete digits, so it is digital.

    From Wikipedia: [Digital] comes from the same source as the word digit: the Latin word for finger (counting on the fingers) as these are used for discrete counting.

  24. Re:Not a good gift... by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some of us nerds think evolution is important; I have learned from a female biology nerd that we can reproduce under the right conditions. I highly recommend it not only for the good of the human race, but it's fun too.

  25. Americans by dazedagain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it can't be installed in an SUV most Americans won't buy it anyway.

  26. Re:Not a good gift... by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dude, after 5 hours of UT I swear I turned around and might've seen a girl walk past the CS lab!

  27. Globe as sundial by SiliconEntity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read an article in an old Scientific American about an especially simple sundial: mount a globe of the Earth outside, orienting it to be exactly parallel to the real Earth. That means pointing the north pole of the globe at the North Star, and rotating it so that your current meridian of longitude runs across the top. This will put your current location exactly at the top of the globe.

    The cool thing is that sunlight will now fall on the globe in exactly the way it falls on the Earth (during the day, that is). You can see the day-night terminator and it will be the same as the terminator on the actual Earth. You can see which polar regions are getting 24 hour sunlight or night. You can tell whether it is day or night anywhere on Earth, and even estimate what time it is there.

    It sounded pretty cool although I never bothered to try to set one up. You'd need some kind of waterproof globe that wouldn't fade in the sunlight. Probably there are some like this on public display somewhere.

  28. Battery by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... what kind of battery life does this so-called "Sun" have?

    The clock mechanism is powered by a flywheel.

    The display is powered by thermonuclear fusion.

    Horrors! Have to ban sundials! That "sun" thing is so dangerous when they're working that just a few minutes exposure can give you a radiation burn.

    (Bad, bad woodchip mill. Good old outback bill.)

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  29. dated? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That thang is wicked. Can someone license the mechanism and make a calendar? If not Julian, then maybe Mayan?

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  30. Rooftop + webcam by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what's to stop you from placing it on top of the highrise and place a webcam in front of it. bjd

    1. Re:Rooftop + webcam by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That defeats the purpose of not having to use electricity.

  31. Re:you could make one inexpensively by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can't quite figure out how to use your list of objects to make one of these. The best I can figure out is that it involves taking all the objects except the laser printer and dumping them in the trash. Then you just look at the display on the laser printer and read the time. Am I missing something?

    Assuming you wern't just trying to be funny.

    The core of each digit of the "digital sundial" is a sandwich composed of:
    - A grating with vertical black/clear bars.
    - A layer of glass. (Thickness varies depending on how fast the digit should cycle - the thicker the faster.)
    - A second grating with a more complex set of bars that I'll describe later.
    - A frosted glass "screen" to diffuse the light for viewing from all angles.

    The thickness of the bars on the first grating is such that, if the digit goes through N changes, the clear band is significantly less than 1/Nth the width of the clear band plus the dark band. (To get the appearance of the various digits to match, all of the upper gratings have the same light/dark band width ratio, determined by the digit with the most states.)

    Stacking the first grating on the glass produces a band of light stripes on the bottom of the glass that slides sideways as the sun moves. The spacing of the bands and the thickness of the glass are such that the bands move by one band-spacing in one cycle-time for the digit. The glass both holds the spacing between the gratings constant and reduces the angle through which the light moves, so the clock produces a readable image for nearly 12 hours, rather than being really dim near sunrise and sunset.

    For every light/dark band pair in the upper grating there are N bands in the lower grating. Each band is a stripe through the image of one of the digits, cycling through the N digits. As the sun moves, the bands move across this pattern, sequentially being "stenciled" by a different digit.

    The light coming out of the lower grating strikes the frosted glass "screen" and is diffused sideways, so the clock can be read from many angles.

    You use the laser printer to make the gratings, by computing their appearance and printing them on overhead-projector foils.

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  32. Internet Time by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would be cool to make one of these that shows Internet Time. You remember, that dot-com time invention from Swatch to have time-zone crossing con-calls at @526 and everybody would then know when that was. For those who missed that, Swatch wanted to cut 24 hours into thousand pieces, so one unit of Internet Time (called a beat) is app. 1.5 minute, which is accurate enough for things like the start of a meeting.

    The headache will be of course that sundials are by nature giving time in "local time" and need a correction to display "standard time". This problem would be agrevated when the dial has to display Internet Time, which can only be overcome to build custom sundials for every longitude on earth. This sounds bad, but sundials are anyway normally custom made, so maybe this isn't too bad. Probably the biggest obstacle is that now already, 5 years after the invention, nobody remembers what internet time was. Oh well.....

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    1. Re:Internet Time by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 2, Insightful


      5 years after the invention, nobody remembers what internet time was. Oh well.....


      The problem is, that it was a stupid "invention".

      You see, we already have a universally accepted standard time, Universal Time Co-ordinated (UTC).

      Not only is it universally accepted it's also trivial to convert between time zones, just add or remove hours (and occasionally minutes) as necessary.

      Swatch "Internet Time" offered nothing over UTC, it was, without a doubt, pointless.

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  33. A deserving patent by Cardbox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This design was turned up as "prior art" when I was drawing up my own patent for moire-based time indication. It was sufficiently offtopic not to be relevant, but it was rather a nice idea so it's good to see it being implemented. It also sets a useful pricepoint for my own design...
    Yes, it would be cool to display the date but there are a couple of problems.
    1. When you're considering time, the sun moves round and round (forever westwards), so one position corresponds to one time, but when you're looking at dates, it oscillates (between north and south), so any date indication will be ambiguous between November and January, October and February, September and March...
    2. Near the solstices the noon sun moves very very slowly, so the degree of amplification of motion required would be enormous and you'd run into diffraction problems.
  34. Re:No Electricity? by dschuetz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1) Make holograms of the digits of the time in question (lots of holograms).
    2) Take the holograms and cut them into strips.
    3) Take some of the strips and glue them back to make one hologram


    I don't think it uses holograms. It's more like a series of carefully-arranged slits, with light coming in from any given angle only making it through the gauntlet in a single path, while light form a different angle hits a different path. Theoretically *like* a hologram, but simulated by the masks over a depth somewhat greater than a single sheet of film.

    On the other hand, I'd wondered *years* ago whether a digital sundial could be easily made from a simple hologram. No need to cut into strips -- any hologram already gives different images depending on the angle you look at it from. Generally, you see this as you walk around a hologram (like the novelty ones where someone blows you a kiss). Only instead of you walking, if you move the light source, the same animation plays out. Just build a multi-image hologram of all sorts of clock images, and as the light source moves, you'll see the clock animate forwards. It could even be an analog clock -- any picture would work.

    If you account for varying altitudes of the sun, you might even be able to get the month displayed (though it'd probably have to show two dates at once, letting the user decide whether it's, say, December 1 or January 9 (each being about 20 days away from the solstice).