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Robotic Science Network Watches Our Oceans

Roland Piquepaille writes "I bet most of you have never heard about Argo, an ambitious scientific project about the observation of our oceans. This project is endorsed by 18 countries and just reached a milestone: there are today more than 1,500 robotic floats reporting about salinity changes or predicting El Niño events, among other ones. This news release from the University of California at San Diego says that the Argo floats, which are autonomous ocean-traveling robots programmed to sink more than a mile below the ocean surface, are helping scientists all over the world to look at the future of our whole planet. And in 2007, when the deployment is completed, 3,000 underwater robots will help us to better understand the changes in our climate. You'll find more details, pictures and references in this overview."

87 comments

  1. FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, you're going to Slashdot UCSD. I hate you all.

    1. Re:FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ucsd usually has good bandwith
      i made a site with a 2.6mb background .gif (it's sexee) so i put the picture on ucsd servers and the rest of the site on my host tehehe

      but i was just trying to send some stuff to a friend a second ago and it was laggy! i bet it's all YOUR FAULT

      stop reading slashdot or i'll cut you like a fish!

    2. Re:FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *bandwidth
      and btw i don't see any robots here so i bet it's all a dirty lie

    3. Re:FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good job on the first post!!11

      i go to ucsd oh noes1!111!

  2. The Day After Tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome, and here I thought they made up the observation bouy network just for the movie! Who'da thunk it.

    1. Re:The Day After Tomorrow by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 1

      Actualy its much closes to the 1965 movie "Around the World under the Sea". And I thing the ship was called the Argo.

    2. Re:The Day After Tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. That film is based on the Jules Verne novel and the ship is called nautilus.
      The orginal Argo.

    3. Re:The Day After Tomorrow by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 1

      The main concept of the movie was to seed sensors around the world for sismic events. Which sound simular to this real world concept.

      Been years since I saw it and just missed it on one of the networks a few months ago.

  3. Privacy Invasion! by bryan986 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can hear the screams now! Wait, no you cant.

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    1. Re:Privacy Invasion! by Timesprout · · Score: 1

      yes you can and you dont have to wait, sound travels faster in water

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    2. Re:Privacy Invasion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can. They're screaming "Fuck off, Roland, just fucking fuck off!"

    3. Re:Privacy Invasion! by dextroz · · Score: 1

      God! If you saw the video, the Earth is going to look like one pimpled-freak!

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  4. Monitor our oceans? by Mirkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Screw the oceans, make them WiMax repeaters and build a global wireless network.

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    1. Re:Monitor our oceans? by Metteyya · · Score: 1

      So we can finally make a Beowulf cluster consisting of robots?

    2. Re:Monitor our oceans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robot: "A machine or device that operates automatically or by remote control."

      Node in cluster = operates automatically on command of server
      Server = operates by remote control

      Therefore, Beowulf clusters consist only of robots.

  5. Coming soon... by wcitechnologies · · Score: 4, Funny

    Awesome, looking forward to "Ghost In the Sea Shell"

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  6. Too Few? by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This seems like an awfully small number since 2/3 of the earth's surface is covered in water. I mean these robots will give us a start, but for more reliable data this number seems to need to be drastically increased. I wonder what their plans are for expansion. Or do they have some technique that can help extrapolate between the gaps. The ocean seems too complex and too unknown to cover with so few robots.

    1. Re:Too Few? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hi, lets see you do better

      kthx NO

    2. Re:Too Few? by saider · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My guess is that while it may be less than ideal coverage, it is...
      1) Better than what they had before
      2) Cost effective.

      More probes may provide better results, but I think right now they are looking for the big picture. If they find something interesting from the data, they can then populate interesting areas with more probes.

      I wonder what the environmentalists think about more of the probe wreckages being spread all over the oceans.

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  7. Land based weather 'robots' by tonsofpcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now if only we had as many Standards Based land based weather observatories/robots, this would make NOAA much more precise (it is already very acurate with its predictions, just a higher level of precision would be nice, rather than each 'site' covering a 50 mile radius (or more).

    1. Re:Land based weather 'robots' by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Same can be said for probes in more interesting places.

      If the graph is to believed there are nearly zero probes in the circular current in the Southern Hemisphere roaring sixties, there also very few probes in the other major current systems - Gulfstream, along N and S America West Coast, Azora, etc. At the same time there are plenty of probes which are sitting in relatively silent regions like 30-40 latt in the middle of the Pacific (north and south).

      I hope they put the remaining 1500 into the major current systems as these are the places that determine the weather around the globe. It will be more expensive to maintain as you have to salvage them quite often and relocate to the beginning of the current, but hopefully the data collected will pay back for the excessive maintenance costs.

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    2. Re:Land based weather 'robots' by tonsofpcs · · Score: 1

      Ok, my post was modded 'interesting', and you said to put probes in 'interesting' places and got modded Insightful, so if I say to put them in 'insightful' places, what do I get modded?

  8. Uuh... by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

    I bet most of you have never heard about Argo,

    I think it just might be you that did not wach "The day after tomorrow" with its weather and saline bouys.

    1. Re:Uuh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd hope most of us would never have heard of it. After all, If we have all heard of it it's hardly "News" is it?

    2. Re:Uuh... by OAB_X · · Score: 0

      Thats a bet im willing to take up, along with a couple other million people who are faithful PBS watchers.

    3. Re:Uuh... by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it just might be you that did not wach "The day after tomorrow" with its weather and saline bouys.

      I wish I *didn't* watch it . .. does that count? ;)

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    4. Re:Uuh... by edittard · · Score: 0
      I bet most of you have never heard about Argo, an ambitious scientific project about the observation of our oceans
      I have, I was reading about it in some French science magazine in the supermarket yesterday. So yo boo sucks, Roland Niquetamere.
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    5. Re:Uuh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I bet most of you have never heard about Argo, an ambitious scientific project about the observation of our oceans.
      Somehow I feel that this blurb isn't quite condescending enough. I think that "Nah-nah-Nah-Nah I know something you don't know" should have been in there somewhere.
    6. Re:Uuh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya know if your hand is bigger than your face that means you are retarded?

      *WHAM*

    7. Re:Uuh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh shit....dont these guys die in the movie?

      some help they provide....

      dumbshit.

    8. Re:Uuh... by karpediem · · Score: 1

      yes I saw it. I believe it said this would happen 100, 1000 years from that time. When did it happen? not very long after that. I'm 16 and my basement isn't exactly airtight. :-P

    9. Re:Uuh... by plcurechax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it just might be you that did not wach "The day after tomorrow" with its weather and saline bouys.

      Unfortunately I did see it (and hence paid money towards the producers and screen writers). What I remember was that the guy next to me was complaining that the bouy id'ents were wrong for the Grand Banks and the "normal" Gulf Stream was moving backwards. Not to mention the physics problems with the rate of freezing mentioned (ending up at/below absolute zero in a few minutes).

      I've haven't seen a Argo bouy yet.

    10. Re:Uuh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the physics problems with the rate of freezing mentioned (ending up at/below absolute zero in a few minutes).

      Actually, the temperature mentioned was 150 below, Farhenheit. Absolute zero was never mentioned in the movie that I recall. They pulled the minus 150 out of some old literature where someone tried to estimate just how cold it would have to be to quick freez a mammoth fast enough to stop the stomach contents from digesting.

      Also, the buoys that were evidently moving "backward" were probably supposed to be simulating a discharge of cold, fresh water from the Arctic into the Northern Atlantic. That was supposed to cause the North Atlantic Conveyor to shut down. The premise being that an event that has been suggested as a cause of the late Pleistocene Valders glacial advance could happen again if global warming trends continue. The movie was bad enough without faulting it for sins not committed.

  9. Just like in "The Day After Tomorrow" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There they had a large network of nodes that measured wind speed and temperature in the ocean.

    1. Re:Just like in "The Day After Tomorrow" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already got them, there are lots of floating data buoys already see http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/ and http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/proj_over/pubs/mil96p aper.html

  10. Hmmm... by anish1411 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is that bastard organisation that predicted that global warming would actually make the UK colder..

    1. Re:Hmmm... by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      You have to understand ocean currents to understand the report on which that stupid movie was loosely based. Read up on it: I won't Google for you!

    2. Re:Hmmm... by chawly · · Score: 1

      The one and the same. They're probably right, too. Who wants to pass out the fur-lined tin-foil hats ?

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  11. argos animation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if an early reader wouldnt mind mirroring the animation on the site , it does describe the project effectively , and shows how a network of 3000 buoys can cover the globe evenly. if at the expense of 26megs avi ...

    1. Re:argos animation by Narkov · · Score: 2, Informative
  12. more pollution please by trendescape · · Score: 0

    awesome, another way to pollute the earth.

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  13. W won't listen anyway by HanB · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Doesn't matter how much more data is collected, the point is already made: Our global industry is damaging the environment. And W is not going to do anything about it. Just the same reasoning that keeps M$ from doing anything structural about virusses.
    ``It seemed an annoyance at first, but later on we realized it is a great source of revenue, so why on earth would we change anything about it.''
    • First, they save themselves a shipload of money in preventing the problems.
    • Second, they are the guys that will clean up the mess afterwards, for proper rewarding of course.
    • They will even be called heroes and nobody will ever disagree with their methods.
    BTW the same filosophy applies to another ``global problem'': terrorism.

    We have to find a way of unmasking these criminals. They do have a name, the ``neo-conservatives.''

    1. Re:W won't listen anyway by Tedium+Unleased · · Score: 1

      they're unmasked, they have a website proudly proclaiming their goals, but not enough people care and too many people agree with them, or think they agree with them, or don't realize what they're actually agreeing with.

    2. Re:W won't listen anyway by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      Very interesting article you linked to, thanks. Although, if you don't get modded "flamebait," I'll be surprised. I agree with you, though.

  14. Don't we already know the future? by adeydas · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Don't we already know the future. with our present rate of pollution, there will soon be massive global warming, everything will become unsuitable for human consumption and so on and so forth. i guess looking for a method to save the planet is more important now...

    1. Re:Don't we already know the future? by Bruce+McBruce · · Score: 1

      That's a bit extreme, and also a bit off-topic because the robots would be more monitoring the movement of the Earth's plates under the sea and such. It might be a crazy thought, but robots which are designed to sink into the ocean probably aren't meant to detect the pollution in the Earth's atmosphere.

    2. Re:Don't we already know the future? by JavaMoose · · Score: 1

      Did you actually check out the website, or is guessing just a hobby?

    3. Re:Don't we already know the future? by adeydas · · Score: 1

      please read the article sir. they are NOT meant to check earth's plates and frankly speaking i don't think they can go that deep either. they are used to check water salinity, occurence (when and how) of hurricanes, el nino and other such phenomenons. and pollution is pollution. pollution at one level will effect another level too. you may try a very good article of the cause/effects of ocean pollution here: http://www.lclark.edu/~krauss/advwrf99/causeeffect /mubarakcause.html.

    4. Re:Don't we already know the future? by adeydas · · Score: 1

      what was i guessing genius? i checked out the website. but the millions of dollars spent on these robots can be used to convert a country's agriculture from chemical to green like in cuba. also it may be used to reduce mercury levels in see. the robots check three things: temperature, salinity, and currents which are nothing but indicators of doom. if the temperature increases, polar ice-caps will melt, if salinity increases it will effect marine life and throw off the food equlibrium and pray that there is no change in the currents or the climate of the place concerned with the current will change drastically. so you see the machines are just indicators. where is conservating job of reducing pollution and make it habitable for the future generations of the human race.

  15. Argo floats.. or does it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Argo floats, which are [...] programmed to sink"

    Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

    1. Re:Argo floats.. or does it? by kristopher · · Score: 1

      Is this anything at all like flats?

    2. Re:Argo floats.. or does it? by OctaneZ · · Score: 1

      Yes, ironically; drifters remain at the surface for the duration of their mission; while floaters sink to a preprogrammed depth to collect data.

    3. Re:Argo floats.. or does it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another reason why this is a weird statement is that the floats are programmed to sink... I would imagine they would sink pretty well on their own, what they need to be is programmed to stop sinking.

    4. Re:Argo floats.. or does it? by chawly · · Score: 1

      Yep ! Exactly like flats ! Tyres, appartments, and salt.

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  16. Tainted Results by kristopher · · Score: 1

    Isn't it possible that the mere presence of the robots may taint the results?

    1. Re:Tainted Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to karma whore or are you just that stupid?
      Its like 1 carbon atom changes the temperature of a 10.000 litre aquarium by any measureable amount.

    2. Re:Tainted Results by ignoramus · · Score: 1

      I think you're underestimating the vastness of the ocean.

      Assume these 'bots heat up the ocean a bit because their putting out 2 Watts on average (which I'm guessing is way to much for them to last one month, but lets be conservative), then when they get the fleet up to 3000 you'd have 6000 Watts being dumped into the ocean.

      On the surface of the earth, the sun gives off about 1350 Watts of energy per square meter. So to counteract the effect of the heat pollution from the Argo fleet, you'd just have to stick 9 parasols at the beach, someways into the water (9, instead of 4.5, since the sun actually only heats the water half the time).

      As you can imagine, even 100 parasols probably wouldn't cool the ocean by very much ;-)

      If you are referring to changes in current etc, I can't imagine their effect being much greater than that of a single tanker.

      HTH

    3. Re:Tainted Results by kristopher · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the entire ocean, but the immediate surroundings or rather the water they test.

  17. Unsolved Mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hmmm, Roland Piquepaille submits an article, his homepage is http://www.primidi.com/

    Coincidence, I think not, conspiracy, yes please.

    1. Re:Unsolved Mysteries by Rotund+Prickpull · · Score: 0

      The real conspiracy that whenever that pisspot submits a story (a link via his adbrothel to a real news service) it gets published.

  18. Argo project home page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    See also Argo.net.

  19. Fools by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

    Fools, now skynet will be able to control the oceans as well...

    1. Re:Fools by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      skynet will be able to control the oceans as well...
      You mean they'll block port 25 from there too. (For the gallically challenged, the cretinous apology for an ISP have blocked outbound connections on port 25 to (LOL) stop spam).
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  20. Cool! Are they armed? by ccmay · · Score: 2, Funny
    Autonomous ocean-traveling robots! Cool!

    I hope they have some kind of weapon to kill the sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads...

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  21. Slashdot this! Re:argos animation by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1
    Argo Robotic Instrument Network Now Covers Most of the Globe (2.6MB, QuickTime) (original site)

    I may regret this later, but...
    Argo Robotic Instrument Network Now Covers Most of the Globe (2.6MB, QuickTime) (my mirror)

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    1. Re:Slashdot this! Re:argos animation by OctaneZ · · Score: 1

      Not that UCSD was going anywhere, but...

      East Coast Mirror @ WHOI

  22. well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new robotic float overlords!

    1. Re:well.... by chawly · · Score: 1

      Me too. Or I also. Oh buoy !

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  23. groklaw ?? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Who else thought that they had ended up at groklaw when they looked at the pictures ?

    1. Re:groklaw ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They seem to be using the same blogger theme.

  24. Distributed Computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is rather interesting in the essance that the data collected could be analyzed using a distributed computing project where you could help predicting where the next storm could show up in 6 years. I would contribute my processor capabilities. It could also ease the load on those robots.

  25. Roland Piquepaille by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It has to be said. For reasons I cannot understand, the editors continue to allow roland to post links to his half assed summary of another story in order to generate traffic for his blog. It's horrible to think that we're all providing revenue for this person. Visit google's cache of his page here and don't click on any of the ads. Perhaps in the future, the editors should give a little thought before helping this guy out again.

  26. Robots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are these the robots with shotguns, robots who talk to Japanese illegal immigrants, or the old Korean robots that spam people? ...sorry.

  27. MOD PARENT UP - I concur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also do not understand the apparant zeal with which his articles are selected and published. One or two now and then, I could understand... but you can almost tell when Roland has a car payment due, the flurry of stories that arise...

  28. Some Better Links by OctaneZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another project I work on makes /.; go figure. Here are some better links.
    The US Global Data Center for the Argo project.

    The Woods Hole Oceanographic Inst. Argo page. This includes links to data profiles and other info.

    WHOI's realtime data grapher allows you to see where the floats are, where they have been, find a float in any region WHOI monitors, etc.

    Also check out the Argo Information Center and their Global Float Map. (The WHOI one tends to be faster if you are only interested in the Atlantic)

  29. Sorry, not all of us want to end human civ by tjstork · · Score: 0

    Sorry, the fact of the matter is that the earth cannot be damaged, only changed. Human activities change the climate, but so does climate itself. Besides, the earth is just a stupid rock and nature is just a chemical reaction. If we are "nice" to the earth, the earth is not going to care. It's not some sentient being that has its feelings hurt if we whack a species or if we genetically engineer knew ones that are more entertaining.

    The alternatives you guys have is to take us back to the good old days when we were all living in animal skin covered tents freezing to death and getting eaten by sabre tooth tigers and giant wolves. F-- that. I want my car with a giant engine!

    Still, I do want to help you. I'll drop you off some mold or natural animal piss you can process for your little left wing envirohovels before I head off the mall in search of more loot. Maybe I need to buy a bigger truck to haul bigger stuff, and get a bigger job so I can get a bigger truck.

    Go Bush!

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    1. Re:Sorry, not all of us want to end human civ by mc_barron · · Score: 2
      Completely off topic, but I'll bite...

      A plague upon BOTH of your houses! Two completely different parties that want the same thing: living peacefully and happily. Yet neither recognizes the good in the other, instead resorting to labeling the other as extreme.

      The reference to Gaia and animal skins speaks profoundly of the understanding you have of your opponent - rather, the lack of understanding or acceptance. There are some very good ideas on both sides of this fence - don't dismiss one just because it is unfamilar to you. The desire to drive "big engine" cars eludes me completely. Perhaps it is because I am comfortable with who I am and do not feel the need to attract attention or "respect" with large machinery. I highly doubt most people need to haul around enough stuff to justify owning a large vehicle. Hence the only other reason for owning such a large vehicle is for social purposes.

      Wanting to reduce our impact (or change on the planet as you call it) has never involved animal skin or worshiping some Gaia. It involves being responsible (something I hope resonates with ALL republicans since there is seems to be an emphasis on personal accountability within the party, which is a good thing), and being responsible to living responsibly. It is exceptionally greedy and immature of you to imagine the US can maintain our current consumption level of the worlds resources without serious repercussions.
      On a side note, here's a brain teaser for you: George Bush was convicted of at least 2 DWI's in his youth and had a somnewhat rough early adulthood. He is now a born again Christian, which is a good thing. BUT he supports the death penalty, essentially saying that others are not able to reform themselves as he has reformed. Hypocritical does not even begin to describe this mentality.

  30. Floating Toilet Roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This gives me hope that there may soon be a version of the Roomba that floats in the toilet and constantly keeps it clean.

  31. About time... by isny · · Score: 1

    Now we can finally get Center Neptune under construction.
    All right, you try to come up with something more obscure and geekier.

  32. Happy Super Fun Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In deep sea research vessel, Robotic Science Network watches YOU!

  33. Don't DO that to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same can be said for probes in more interesting places.

    Though at least the rest of your post wasn't about what I thought it was going to be about!

  34. Another bouy network by g-san · · Score: 1

    There is also another useful network of fixed bouys run by the NOAA at the National Data Bouy Center. They have bouys fixed at certain locations off the coasts and they record wind velocity and direction, swell height and period, air temperature and pressure and water temp. Things like wind direction and velocity can be very useful for people on boats out in the oceans, and the history on the site let you understand prevailing conditions of a given area. So if you friend says the waves were 5 feet overhead, or we had 15 foot swells out on the boat last weekend, you can actually check. You can even call a number on our cell phone and read data the bouys have collected.

    1. Re:Another bouy network by chawly · · Score: 1

      Sorry to be nitpicking, but you mean buoy - I think

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  35. WHAT?! by LilGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Imagine how many jobs this could have provided for people! WHY GOD WHY!?

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  36. Obligatory by ManoMarks · · Score: 1

    Anyone port Linux to these things yet?

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