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CCC Mods Rent-a-Bike To Allow Free Rides
Autoversicherung writes "Germany has an activated by phone bike rental system across all major cities. At 6 cent a minute quite pricey, germanys famous Chaos Computer Club thought a free ride every now and then couldnt hurt.
Optimizing the original system in the process, modifying the blink code to be easier found and changing the logo. About 10% of Berlins bikes are patched already. A detailed description of how they did it, and how the system works."
Heh. War biking. Cool!
Some people are like slinkies--basically useless but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs.
Darn things require so much energy to move.
Their website explains...To return your bike, take it to the nearest major crossing within the core area and lock it to a fixed object, e.g., a traffic sign or a bicycle stand but not, please, on a traffic light.
This would not work in America.
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6c a minute sounds pricey, until you realize it's $3.60 an hour, which doesn't sound so bad.
What happens when you lock your bike to something that doesn't belong to you and someone (i.e. store owner) gets pissed?
If the system stops making money the bikes will be removed and the service will stop. Then who benefits? The price maybe high for the service but the option is to simply not use it. Just because the apples are over priced does that give you the right to steal them. Free market means you also have the right not to buy not to steal.
The CCC was sent an anonymous report on how the bikes were hacked. From the webpage: "An article in our magazine Datenschleuder that has been passed along from an anonymous source details how the the system can be circumvented to gain free access to the bikes without calling anybody: [Externer Link]"Hack a Bike" is a fine example of a true hack."
Why hack something that is for the common good, such as public, non-polluting transportation?
Elsewhere where this kind of thing is done these bikes are custom and the parts are not compatible with normal bikes. I think Copenhagen did this.
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I also think the mods don't know exactly what "redundant" really means.
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Hey, sorry but it sounds to me that they are using a hole in a digital system to allow free usage of the PHYSICAL property of somebody else. I will leave to IP philosophe whether to copy IP is stealing or not, but to use somebody else property because the lock is not strong enough is obvious STEALING and VANDALISM. How about going into somebody else flat, eating their food, sleeping in their bed, because their digital alarm system with door code can be easily hacked with the maintenance password ? What on slashdot next ? How to steal a car by bypassing ignition key system ???
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If I run a bike shop and pay rent and/or taxes on the property, so anyone can come look at the bikes but if they want to use one, they have to pay, that's a normal retail situation. I'm entitled to control what happens with my bikes within my private space.
What happens, though, if I just start locking the bikes up to lampposts and advertising that anyone can call a phone number to pay to unlock them? Am I not trying to convert the public lampposts into private retail space without paying any rent or tax? Who is taking what from whom? Perhaps some philosopher could conclude that I've really just abandoned the bikes, and rather than hacking 10% of them, CCC might have done better to hack 100%.
BTW, the public bicycle concept AFAIK started in Holland, with the Witte Fietsen ("white bicycles" in Dutch) project. Hippies scrounged up old bikes and parts during a transit strike, got them working and painted them white, and then just left them all over the place for people to use for free. Sort of a bicycle version of the GNU project. If you needed to get somewhere, you'd just find a white bike, ride it wherever you were going, and leave it for someone else to find and use.
This was several decades ago. Witte Fietsen actually worked as envisioned by the hippies, and was successful enough that local government decided to pick up the expenses. It is still active today in some parts of Holland, though in the big cities, sadly, the bikes get stolen too fast.
The dial-a-bike thing seems like a pale imitation. Witte Fietsen didn't need to be hacked.
I found learning about this very cool bike system that works for another country more interesting than some losers hacking it.... all to circumvent a 6 cent fee.
I wish this would work in Los Angeles. It could really be useful. It wouldn't work though... too many "hackers" with wire cutters. (alot like the "hackers" above, but with less technical school clases).
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According to spiegel.de there are no bikes in Berlin today. The Deutsche Bahn has collected them all for a winter break and will check if anybody has manipulated them.
Btw: The CCC will meet from December 26th to 29th for their annual congress. Motto: "The ususal suspects".
P.S.: I submitted this story on Saturday.
The CCC only got a detailed report about the system and the hack from an anonymous source, and they just published it online and in their magazine.
A monkey is doing the real work for me.
Now, if they're really recalled over winter for a once-over, I wonder how much harder they will be to get into when the snow melts and they reappear? Will the Call-A-Bikes become more impenetrable, as Darwinian geek theory dictates they'll need for survival?
On the flip side, I must also applaud the hackers for not simply vandalising the bikes, but modifying them to return to service once the "free ride" was over. (Perhaps misguided) - theft all the same, but at least free of physical destruction.
If you do have the time to hack a bike before you want to use it, then come to Copenhagen, Denmark. You can use the bikes for free.
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The problem I have with that is that with how often bikes are stolen, vandalised and the initial cost of purchasing them the 6cent per minute might seem costly but appears to be closer to just covering the costs of the service. This is no Robin Hood Hackjob to have those bikes available for free, it's just a way of inching the concept closer to being abandoned by the company. And with by now 10% hacked and this ongoing without publicity for a while they can't honestly claim that it's just for pointing out a security flaw in the system.
Doesn't the lock bar just go through the spokes?
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They didn't even think of just cutting all of the spokes out of way. Dummies.
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You can purchase the quick release mechanism with a lock on it if you really want to. I've never had a problem with it (but then, my bike is so beat up, nobody would want to steal it...)
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has been going on since the 1960's and works fine in the places where it operates. It is cheaper to run per user than conventional public transit systems like buses and undergrounds, all of which have subsidized fares that cost much more than the bikes do. Do you think the New York Subway is also run by hippies?
" So if I park my own bike somewhere, I'm trying to convert this piece of city into my own private parking space?"
I agree with your point, but your analogy is silly unless you own 1700 bikes. You're expected to park your own personal bike by chaining it to the nearest lamppost.
"If this is morally defensible is your own call."
It's easy for me to say because I don't own the bikes, but it's worth noticing that they went to lengths to make sure the bikes were still usable. (Compared to all the other vandalism these bikes have apparently suffered.)
Also, notice that they didn't give out their magic code on the Internet.
It's obvious that these people are just doing this for fun, not out of a strong desire for financial gain. Heck, for all the man-hours that went into this project, they could have worked at a minimum wage job and then purchased a bicycle.
Let me guess - having published your praise of all the nice German hackers, who hack the system to get the "free joyride" on someone elses' property, you will then write yet another complaint on some mainstream media "improper usage" of the word "hacker" - "Dear Editors, you confuse us, the oh-so-ethical hackers with the bad nasty crackers"?
For the record: The CCC published a report which it had been sent anonymously. The actual modifications may or may not have been made by CCC members. We simply don't know. I doubt the CCC would officially endorse these actions.
The 'witte fietsen' plan was dumb, like most of the stuff hippies thought up.
About as dumb as the average dotcom business plan, like much of the stuff thought up by the typical business fanatic.
Some people will not have respect for something they receive for free. If they can break it without consequences, they will.
A statistically small fraction of poorly socialised people, generally children, will vandalise the system. Depending on the resulting costs (as compared a so-called free market approach with costs in advertising and competitive duplication, or monopoly rent) this approach may or may not be a good idea. Judging by other posts here it is a good idea in smaller towns.
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Go these in Helsinki. They're even free to use, you only need a 2 euro deposit, just like with shopping carts. They're provided by the City's local transport dep't.
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Your argument fails because even the 'witte fietsen' plan is firmly embedded in the free market economy. You didn't think these bycicles where really free, did you? They were produced by a company for money, then discarded probably because repairing them was less cost effective than buying a new bike. Then some hippies went off and repaired them; which in turn cost money for the manhours spent repairing the bikes.
This maybe wasn't charged, but the point is that the whole 'witte fietsen plan' was dependend of the free economy it was said to defeat. There was some smart recycling, granted, there where some altruistic people obviously able to spend their free hours repairing bikes. But they only have those free hours to spend because of modern economics making it unneccesary to spend _all_ your time feeding yourself and your family.
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I read the part that said:
"About 10% of Berlins bikes are patched already."
Hacking for fun, yeah sure. But doing what could ultimately cause the demise of this whole concept.. thats just Wrong.
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Agreed, though I'm more worried about defacement of my bike than theft.
Having been an urban biker for about ten years, I can tell you that having a bike defaced/kicked/smashed/broken/scratched every day is overall much more disheartening than just having one stolen every few years.
It's one thing to know that someone REALLY wanted something you have; It's another to realize how many ignorant morons with stock in the oil companies will kick someone's bike.
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So, other than a firmware update (which I suspect may have to happen to all bikes regularly anyhow), those hackers haven't done any physical damage that can't be easily undone.
Arguably, they have caused revenue loss for the DB from the bikes that were used for free, but since there is no description on how the backdoor works or how it is advertised, I would assume that only a select group of people knows of this.
In the article itself they made some "ethical" decisions (i.e.: not able to grab a currently rented bike, not able to park a freebie without giving a regular customer the chance to phone it in), which indicates that they want to preserve the utility value for regular customers as much as possible.
All in all:
Is this legal ? No siree, definitely not...
Did the hackers do it to get free bikes, or just for the challenge of it? My guess would be the latter.
Is this a nice hack in the spirit of the hackers of the old days? Definitely: this hack required a lot of skill and creativity, for that they deserve some respect.
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Perhaps some philosopher could conclude that I've really just abandoned the bikes, and rather than hacking 10% of them, CCC might have done better to hack 100%.
Ah, so without having to think about whether you're stealing from a fellow citizen, you blame it on an unspecified, undefined "philosophy". Ridiculous.
You can't compare the taking you're doing with the Dutch bicycles, because those were intended to be free - here, you're just committing robbery from your neighbor. Everybody leaves bikes locked to public property, everywhere. You just aren't willing to admit that you like being a thief, and only because your victim doesn't get to see or catch you. Because if you did, you'd start stealing from little old ladies, and you'd probably like it too. You have no shame.
Saying that bikes locked to public property are abandoned is absurd - when you park a car on a public street, and lock the doors, you must be abondoning that fine set of wheels, I guess, right? Let me know where you live, and I will come rid the street of your trash!
For the record, Witte Fietsen didn't work because nobody wanted to take responsibility for fixing or replacing broken parts, plus people like you stole the bicycles and painted them other colors.
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These people's "ethics" are laughable.
So stealing for individuals is wrong, but stealing from a big, bad company is okay? This is a great example of moral relativism.
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Dude, why not use the free open source tool chain for AVR? To quote:
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Together, avr-binutils, avr-gcc, and avr-libc form the heart of the Opensource toolchain for the Atmel AVR microcontrollers.
They are further accompanied by projects for in-system programming software (uisp, avrdude [formerly avrprog]), simulation (simulavr) and debugging (avr-gdb, AVaRICE).
I use most of the above to program ATmegas under Linux with no problems. But this stuff even runs on Windows, or so I hear.
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The designer of the lock says, "it can't be broken". This is like waving a red flag (or two) before a bull. Of course, now someone has to actually break it to prove a point.
Call it vandalism, call it theft, call it whatever you want. Basically, the "hackers" were responding to the challenge.
Please, lets not split hairs here. It'll leave us all bald.
Computer guys prove yet again that shortsighted and selfish thinking is not exclusive to lawyers and MBAs.
The program was a huge success.
what this is an example of is Kant's Categorical Imperative, or a certain portion thereof. this idea is, among other things, a rejection of the idea that whatever produces the greatest happiness is the moral action - an idea still popular today. Kant's idea asserts that, in essence, there are "rules", and there are no exceptions to these rules.
the primary problem with Kant's idea here (or at least with how it's most commonly understood today) is that it seems to discard the importance - or even significance - of circumstances. Kant says it is wrong for someone to steal a loaf of bread to feed her starving family from a baker who won't notice the loss because if everyone stole the world would be chaos; he makes no accommodation for the idea that it's okay for everyone to steal when in those circumstances. moral relativism, by contrast, would simply say it's okay for her to steal as long as she believes it to be. neither (inherently) cares whether the baker is an individual or a multinational corporation.
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One of the reasons, I surmise, that this rent-a-bike concept may not work here in the US is because of local mandatory helmet laws. I don't know about the European laws. However, I can see why in Europe, helmet use is less of a concern---less cars on the street, more pedestrians, more public transportation-friendly, shorter distances needed to travel from point A to point B. But here in the US, with the SUVs sharing the streets, helmets are a must. And to implement a rent-a-bike system would also mean co-implementation of rent-a-helmet program. But that adds the difficulty of renting the right helmet size, and putting on a helmet that a previous (sweaty) biker was using. So how is the use of helmets handled in Europe anyway?
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Well, finding some of the stolen bikes should be easy. as the article says, the dispatch has a database of where each bike is supposed to be, e.g. bike 0001 is in station X, because the customer tells them where they've been parked. But if one of the hackers unlock the bike from X and takes it to station Y, and then an ordinary user calls up and says "I'm at station Y, I'd like to use the bike 0001, can I have its code please?", the dispatch would see the conflict -- Database says the bike's at station X, but caller says it's at station Y -- and they would know the bike's been moved illegally.
Of course if the customer just says "I'm at station Y, can you give me a bike (tell me the number) and what is the code for it?", the dispatch wouldn't give the customer bike 0001, because 0001 isn't at Y in the DB. OTOH, if they're at X, and dispatch says "take 0001" and customer says "but there's no 0001" here, that's also a hint of trouble there.
Then again, if a hacker just takes a bike from home (X) to go to work (Y) and back again (X) everyday, there's very little chance of him getting caught.
Also, I wonder if they can use the DB inconsistencies to triangulate where the hacker might be located, because I assume they'd just take bikes from stations near their place of operation. Although of course hacked bikes can show up all over the place after being used by many people, so, well, interesting mind-exercise there.
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