More GOTY Awards

Correct me if I'm wrong but... by kryogen1x · 2004-12-27 07:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

[i] Justin: Few games come tailor-made for success like Halo 2, but it still surprised me with how damn good it ended up being. Once again Bungie innovates in several ways -- new vehicles, dual-wielding, the deadly melee weapon -- that are sure to be poorly ripped off by lesser games for years to come.[/i] You mean to say other games before Halo 2 didn't have vehicles, dual weapons and melee weapons?

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong but... by adnpryde · 2004-12-27 07:57 · Score: 2, Insightful

I can't think of one game that did all of those before Halo, but there where plenty of other FPS that used one or many of those features. Halo just happens to implement them all relatively well and with a clean design, which is where it's sucess comes from.
Re:Correct me if I'm wrong but... by Axem · 2004-12-27 08:36 · Score: 2, Insightful

What about Goldeneye for N64? It had vehicles (just a tank though), dual wielding weapons (dual RCP-90s anyone?), and melee weapons (knives, and karate chop!).

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Stating The Obvious by jmole · 2004-12-27 07:49 · Score: 3, Funny

Obviously the people on Voodoo Extreme don't own PCs .

Re:Halo 2 severely overrated... by McKinney83 · 2004-12-27 07:53 · Score: 2, Informative

Actually people are creating new game types daily.
Like Dawn of the Dead, Paintball, or Ohama.

Add in the glitching (highimpacthalo.org) and the online play is actually better than most console FPS (exception to CS and CoD).

The single player is really good, once you play it on legendary you'll understand why, and it's only better if you understand the story.

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Opinion or advertising? by kryogen1x · 2004-12-27 08:38 · Score: 3, Insightful

Halo 2 is the kind of game that not only brings accolades to itself, but elevates its platform. It's proven to be the game to own -- thus making Xbox, Xbox Live, and its headset things that no self-respecting gamer would be without.

Ok... how much is this guy getting paid by Microsoft?

Re:Opinion or advertising? by swat_r2 · 2004-12-27 13:00 · Score: 2, Insightful

It's a killer app, and an amazing game that a whole lot o' people love and enjoy. Word of mouth alone would sell a trillion copies of H2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_app

Is it that hard to understand?
Re:Opinion or advertising? by M3wThr33 · 2004-12-28 05:19 · Score: 2, Insightful

Word of mouth sold the game alone. At least 2 million people, 1 in 15 of the Xbox owners pre-purchased the game WITHOUT playing it OR reading a review before hand, and 1 in 3 (YES! 1/3rd, 33%) purchased it for their Xbox within the first 3 weeks.

Hell, if the game was an empty box, it still would have sold that much. Hype of Halo 1 sold this game. Every Xbox owning friend I personally know is disappointed, though. EVERY one.

Re:What a dissapointment by laard · 2004-12-27 10:03 · Score: 2, Informative

I quite enjoy the Halo series and I can't seem to fit into your categories. I have been a FPS fan since it became a genre.

1. the first FPS I played was Wolf3d on a 286 if I recall correctly, followed by the Doom series, Rise of the Triad (great game, under appreciated) Quake 1, 2, & 3, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life, Counterstrike, Soldier of Fortune 1 & 2, and numerous others.
2. See # 1
3. I played Battlefield 1942 though I believe it was released after the original Halo. There were others before that though I can't think of a better example at the moment
4. Played Battlefield and Tribes 2, didn't care much for Flashpoint though a friend of mine liked it.
5. I have a custom PC which I upgrade every year or two. I also have a Gamecube, and I had an N64 (Goldeneye 007 was great).

Despite all these things I still enjoyed Halo and even Halo 2 (though yes I want more closure in the story).

Forgive my trolling but a gross generalization begs to be refuted.

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Best Sports Game by Aggrazel · 2004-12-27 10:50 · Score: 2, Insightful

How can UT2k4 be the best sports game?

Sounds like they don't play real sports games at all.

Without MS? by Khuffie · 2004-12-27 11:27 · Score: 4, Insightful

You know, I wonder if all these people here who are complaining how Halo sucks (who also tend to immediately mention the name Microsoft in their post ) would think of it had Microsoft not bought Bungie, and had it come out for the Mac as planned.

Whether you like Microsoft or not, the Halo games are friggin' great, and some of the best FPSs to date. And yes, I've played a shitload of FPS, both PC and console.

And a game doesn't need to be 'innovative' to be GOTY in my opinion. What happened when a game can just be just pure fun to be considered great?

As for those who say "but Goldeneye had dual wielding too!" clearly haven't played Halo 2. Dual wielding here doesn't mean "each hand holding the same gun". Instead, you can pick and chose between the guns in your hands. This opens up a myriad of combinations and really lets you discover really cool and ass-kicking combos out there. Also, if you're dual wielding, the right trigger fires the gun in the right hand, and the left trigger fires the gun in the left hand, so effectively you can fire with one gun only until the ammo in it depletes, and while its reloading, fire with the other gun.

Besides, the vehicles are all great, and jacking really adds to the gameplay. There's nothing better than someone in a Banshee getting too close to the ground and you jacking it from him.

And online multiplayer is great, especially for those of us that don'y play 24/7. Live does a great job of matching you with people of your own skill so you never feel overpowered in any single game, which means you're having fun playing and not dying 10 seconds after respawning.

What else can I say? If you don't like it, try taking out your Halo 2 disc and cross out the 'Microsoft' logo with a marker. See if you'll like it better then ;).

Re:Without MS? by johannesg · 2004-12-27 18:22 · Score: 2, Interesting

Also, if you're dual wielding, the right trigger fires the gun in the right hand, and the left trigger fires the gun in the left hand, so effectively you can fire with one gun only until the ammo in it depletes, and while its reloading, fire with the other gun.
...because, as we all know, humans have three arms: one for aiming and shooting, one for holding a weapon, and one for inserting a new clip. Sure, it takes a little bit of concentration, but otherwise...
Hey, if you give up on the idea of reloading during a fight you could even use that third arm to triple-wield! Yes, an incredible new innovation, and you read it first here on slashdot!
And there are rumours that Halo 3 will also feature the possibility to dual-drive! That means you get to drive not one, but two vehicles at the same time (and different vehicles too!). So you can be parking your warthog while simultaneously using your scorpion to lay down suppressing fire!
Live does a great job of matching you with people of your own skill so you never feel overpowered in any single game, which means you're having fun playing and not dying 10 seconds after respawning.
On the other hand, you'll never 0wnx0r a game since everybody in the level is as good as you are. That's Microsoft alright: mediocrity rules.
What else can I say? If you don't like it, try taking out your Halo 2 disc and cross out the 'Microsoft' logo with a marker. See if you'll like it better then ;).
Ahh, people don't like Halo because it is from Microsoft! Surely it had nothing to do with the fact that it is essentially a four-hour game stretched to ten, by repeating levels again and again and again and again...
Re:Without MS? by Khuffie · 2004-12-27 18:49 · Score: 2, Insightful

because, as we all know, humans have three arms: one for aiming and shooting, one for holding a weapon
you can reload a real gun with one hand if you're good. (in the game one handed reloads are slow...much slower)
On the other hand, you'll never 0wnx0r a game since everybody in the level is as good as you are. That's Microsoft alright: mediocrity rules.
You can own a game. But that means because you're doing a good job, not because the other team sucks.

Re:What a dissapointment by Khuffie · 2004-12-27 11:37 · Score: 3, Informative

Just to drive the point home further:

1. Of the games I can remember: Played Wolf3D, Doom 1 and 2, Rise of the Triads, Half-Life, CounterStrike, Quake 1 2 and 3, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, Counterstrike Source, Unreal Tournament 2004
2. Non-PC FPS: Goldeneye64, Red Faction, Time Splitter 1 and 2, Nightfire
3. UT2k4, Goldeneye, HL2 and Red Faction all had vehicles. None of the games I've played had dual wielding in which you could: a) yield two different kinds of guns and b) fire each gun individually.
4. I've never played those games, but I never say Halo 2 has the largest multiplayer maps.
5. Got an Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, Game Gear, SNES, NES, Genesis, Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn

Try not to generalize about these things. It doesn't do you good ;).

Amazing by swat_r2 · 2004-12-27 12:56 · Score: 2, Insightful

It's amazing how many fanboys are crying in their milk over the GOTY annoucement. It's an awesome game. More power to you if you don't like it, but there's a reason it's doing so well. Just because you loathe it with a vengeance does not erase the fact that it's an amazing game which many people love and enjoy.

And while you're at it do the following:

1. Put down your milk and cookies
2. Take off your MS bashing beanie
3. Repeat after me: "there is no conspiracy."

Rinse and repeat a few times, or you know - just go play your own personal GOTY.

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