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Designing Diabetes Gear?

Joe asks: "I'm a grad student studying medical product design. My thesis work is being done on devices used in the monitoring and treatment of Diabetes. I'd like to solicit feedback from the Slashdot community regarding the state of the art in the field. Are you a Type One who loves the OneTouch UltraSmart, or a Type Two that swears by the multi-strip AccuCheck Compact? My goal is to develop products that meet the varied needs of diabetics, in a manner closer to the iPod, rather than the current products which resemble crappy 2-button Tiger electronics videogames. What features in these devices do you like and dislike?"

101 comments

  1. I don't have diabetes by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 0

    but my dad probably has adult onset and I'm at risk for it. I'm deathly afraid of getting it not because diabetes is such a terrible disease but because I won't be able to prick my own finger (or any other body part, probably) to get a blood sample. Surely there's another way, say with urine samples, or an embedded monitor or something.

    1. Re:I don't have diabetes by mikewhittaker · · Score: 1

      "Natural" insulin production is geared to blood glucose levels, which fluctuate over a relatively short interval, hence any attempt to mimic natural behaviour should use blood levels, although a urine test is a reasonable diagnostic measure - it cannot accurately reflect the current blood level however.

      In addition, damage from hyperglycemia is caused by excess blood glucose, so you /do/ want to be monitoring this.

      Believe me, you can get used to extracting a drop of blood. The "autolet" device is a penlike object with builtin spring-loaded (replaceable) spike that 'lets' you prick a finger without any hassle. Load-touch-release (ow!), squeeze to get a big enough droplet, and apply it to the sensor.

      Any embedded monitor would need to be completely under the skin if it were not to run into problems with infection - maybe someone else knows about these.

  2. BIG High Contrast Display Readout - Data Storage by Unholy_Kingfish · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My father has adult onset and uses the One Touch. His degraded vision was one of the major problems he developed as a result. I know he has trouble seeing the LCD. Another problem is the loading of the tiny strips. I imagine the multi strip would be better for him, but he resists change and having to pay for it.

    If you are going for the cool stuff, a reader that store the results, timestamps them and can display graphs of the sugar levels would be a great tool for doctors. You can bring in the unit to the doctor and he/she can get all the information they need. Adding wireless or USB/Firewire connectivity would let the doctor download the data file directly.

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    Fear Is the Only God
  3. Implants and tattoos by cmaxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Implants constantly monitoring blood chemical levels and reporting to your PDA would be kinda nice.

    A tattoo on your arm that responds chromatically to insulin, sugar, etc. etc. levels in the blood and that could be read by something like a barcode reader would be good. Doesn't even have to be visible to humans, just the machines.

    The whole puncturing yourself to get at real actual blood thing is Not Good(tm).

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    ...an Englishman in London.
    1. Re:Implants and tattoos by devphil · · Score: 1


      The whole puncturing yourself to get at real actual blood thing is Not Good(tm).

      Especially when we're supposed to make tiny pinpoint punctures on the fingers... which we use to type with. Ow ow ow ow ow with every keystroke. Screw that.

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      You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
    2. Re:Implants and tattoos by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      Some of the accucheck devices can beam info back to a PDA (oddly enough last time I looked it was their cheapest 20$ model, and their most expensive model only). I bought mine for that feature then realized I dont give a crap about statistics :)

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    3. Re:Implants and tattoos by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Informative

      The trick is to test on the sides of your fingers and not the tips. Yes I have to test twice a day.

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      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    4. Re:Implants and tattoos by devphil · · Score: 1


      That's what they told me when I was young; now I have a thin layer of really tough skin on either side of my fingers. Thin, but thick enough to prevent those tiny little lancets from penetrating enough.

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      You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
    5. Re:Implants and tattoos by RainbearNJ · · Score: 1

      Cornhusker's Lotion. Smells horrible, but really will do the trick at softening up the callouses--every diabetes educator I've spoken to out here in NJ recommends it.

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      Lucky for me I always have Emergency Pants!
    6. Re:Implants and tattoos by TomFalc · · Score: 1

      If you find, as I did, that pricking your fingers was painful, see if you can get a Therasense Freestyle, as this will take readings from your forearms, which is painless. I have gone from avoiding tests as much as possible (one every six months) to four times a day. These are available in the UK, and Canada, but I don't know about the US.

    7. Re:Implants and tattoos by jbrader · · Score: 1

      You should try playing the guitar

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      You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
  4. Insight by iawia · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm a type 1 diabetic, using a disetronic d-tron pump and a disetronic freestyle blood tester.

    One thing I've noticed is that though I test regularly, I only create overviews of test results every now and then. Those overview are important to gain insight in how well I'm regulated, though, so I should do that more often.

    Now the blood-test device has a serial cable link to my computer (linked to windows-only software, unfortunately), so I can load all the past results on my laptop (the only machine in the house that has windows installed), and create a few nice looking graphs.

    The D-Tron pump actually has an infra-red port, but for some reason no software has been released to actually make use of that. This is a shame, since my glucose-level graphs would gain a lot from the extra data of my pump's insulin extrusion.

    Then there's the additional data that can be very useful when reviewing blood glucose levels, such as 'right after a hypo', or 'ate too much ice-cream', or '1hr prolonged bolus to compensate for pasta', and such. The only way to store that, a the moment, is good old fashioned paper. Which means that I often don't...

    So for me a good device would:
    • Allow me to store either free text, or some pre-defined tag, along with the glucose-level values. (or voice tags?)
    • Allow for ease transfer of data to the PC (and preferably not just in a windows-only proprietary interface. I want to be able to load stuff into a spreadsheet and such...)
    • Allow me to read my pump data, though that is a software issue, not for the device you'll be working on

    Other things that are appreciated are: small size, inclusion of the finger-pricking thingy in the same package, being able to load a set of control-strips, backlight for checking in the dark, NO SOUND option (my wife is sleeping next to me, and I don't want to wake her just because I want to check my blood sugar).

    The freestyle also allows one to check from blood on the arm, instead of the finger. This is significantly less painfull, so encourages checking. It also lags a bit; The values from the finger will be more up-to-date than those from the arm, so it's not good for when you feel a hypo coming up. Still, a good feature.
    1. Re:Insight by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Type 1 here, no pump.

      I've used three meters in my life:

      The One Touch II (a classic, and for a long time THE meter used by diabetics.) Big, clunky, single-strip design.

      Glucometer Dex (There is a Dex II now, I can't see what the difference is.)

      Accu-Check Compact

      I would never use the One Touch again - Lifescan still has no cartridge-based meters, and being able to load the meter with multiple strips is REALLY nice.

      The Glucometer was a damn nice meter. 10 strips per cartridge (they were the first company to release a cartridge-based meter), you could order the interface cable for free and their software (WinGlucofacts) was pretty nice, and it was free (free as in beer, that is) too.

      The Accu-Chek Compact is also really nice.
      Pros: IR data transfer
      17 strips per cartridge
      Formulary with my insurance company. That's $30 per strip refill. (You'll see a common theme that the insurance company dictates what type of insulin/meter you use to some degree. Although I'm using a Novo Nordisk insulin pen with Novo cartridges because there are no pens for Lilly insulins that dispense half-unit increments anymore.)
      AA batteries - the button cells in the Dex were annoying.
      Form factor and carrying case make it great to put in a jacket pocket for a night out.
      Adjustable puncture depth lancet device. (The other meters had this too but you had to change tips to do so.)

      Cons:
      Battery holder is loose. I often find myself having to push the batteries back in. Meter loses its time frequently because of this and has to reset the drum. The "find next unused drum slot" feature is nice in cases where you accidentally take the batteries out for too long or accidentally hit the cartridge chamber release.
      Cartridge chamber is too easy to unlatch, and comes unlatched often just by removing the meter from its case.
      No open protocol documentation, software is $30 and may be rigged to only work with their external serial-to-IR adapter instead of a normal serial IRDA port (they do not mention IRDA ports at all, they ALWAYS try to sell their $30 adapter even though I know the meter can speak to a normal IRDA port.) There are protocol dumps linked to from the Zaurus User Group forums, I think the "off-topic" section. I wrote a Perl script from those dumps, it's posted to those forums.
      Form factor of the meter/case is good for a night on the town but not as good for extended trips. The Dex case had lots of extra pockets for pen needles, extra lancets, etc. and was very flat. The Compact case has no extra pockets, just an elastic band to hold a spare test strip drum and one to hold the lancet device.
      Lancet device is not compatible with half the lancets on the market, including my personal favorite, the B-D Ultra Fine. Most lancet devices have a round holder that can also hold "flat" lancets via a friction fit. The Accu-Chek lancet device can only hold "flat" type lancets, not round ones like the B-Ds.

      The Compact also allows "alternative site" testing (i.e. not the finger) but has so many restrictions on when you can do it (see parent posts' mention of lag in the reading) that I never bother.

      Don't try to go too fancy. People say they will want it, but so far every attempt at a meter that "does everything" (onboard statistics/data collection) has bombed. Non-invasive testing is a VERY desirable feature, but so far no one has succeeded in making an accurate NI meter that wasn't more trouble than it was worth. (The Glucowatch was expensive, known for causing skin irritation, and not very accurate. Due to the skin irritation, people preferred the occasional pinprick, which with a good lancet and properly adjusted lancet device depth, you barely feel.)

      My advice: Try and convince Lilly and Novo Nordisk to bring back their 1.5 mL pen cartridges. Pens for 3 mL carts such as my new NovoPen Junior are fucking huge. :(

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      retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    2. Re:Insight by ian2000611 · · Score: 1

      I called the company that manufacturs the dex and the dex 2, the difference is... THE COLOR

  5. Type Two that swears by the multi-strip AccuCheck by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is the one I use. Frankly who cares about style? The main thing is cost. I am lucky and my insurance pays for most of my cost of strips but I know some people that even with insurance have a hard time making ends meet. It needs to be acurite, reliable, and cheap. The cheaper it is the more people can afford to test and the better control they will have over their blood sugar. Reliable means they can use the same meter for a long period of time. I so do not care about what it looks like. A back light on the screen might be nice for those with failing vision. Open specs on the dumping system so open source can make FREE tracking software to help keep the cost down as well.
    BTW I would recommend that most slashdoters get there blood sugar checked at least once a year. Some of the risk factors are over weight, are not very active, have a waist size greater then 38", eat crap, and being a member of one of these racial groups , Native American, Hispanic, Asian, or African American.
    I was over weight, and Native American and even though I was right at 38" I won the lotto and got it. Another big risk factor is if it runs in your family the problem is that it might run in your family and you might never know it. It is a sneaky thing.

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  6. Simple is better by bhima · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A few years ago I worked on a team that developed a complex blood glucose device, sort of like the one you described yourself interested in developing but the market just wouldn't bear it, so it was canceled. The only thing the market will tolerate is nearly cost free and designed so the criminally stupid can use it. Forget graphs, forget statistics, forget all of it. If you can figure out how to do it without any buttons so much the better, it's a shame we can't eliminate the user entirely. Do keep data storage and data transfer, because if there is a larger group of (walking free) self delusional pathological liars than diabetics, I'm not aware of it. It's not that I hate diabetics I just hate the devil inside them. (If my sister is reading this she knows I am talking about her too!)

    And I suppose since you're interested in doing this to begin with you already know that there are some very big and very predatory players in that market who tolerate competition less than Microsoft and are significantly less friendly. Still it's a great technology to get started with, it's very easy implement and there is a large market.

    Fair disclosure: I work for one of those big companies who may either sue you out of existence or buy you so the world can forget about you.

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    Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    1. Re:Simple is better by sglines · · Score: 1

      That's BS. I happen to know one fellow who has created 2 test strip/monitor companies and sold them both 10 years apart, the last for over a billion. If you have a good idea find some money people and run with it. The market is huge.

    2. Re:Simple is better by wazza · · Score: 1

      because if there is a larger group of (walking free) self delusional pathological liars than diabetics, I'm not aware of it. It's not that I hate diabetics I just hate the devil inside them.

      Sorry, but I have to jump in the side of your sister here. It's about the 50th time your doctor states that your blood glucose control is, "only fair, and needs to be better," that you decide that lying about your levels is less stressful all around.

      True, by doing so we hurt no-one but ourselves, but the disease is so bloody obtrusive anyways that it's worth it to keep people off your back.

      (Until the complications set in, of course...)

  7. T1, UltraSmart by Violet+Null · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The UltraSmart is pretty good. Nice, highly readable. The backlight only comes on when you hold the button, so it saves on battery time. Those are all good things.

    Annoyances: Although it remembers the values used for previous days, it doesn't default them. Eg, if I take 2u Humalog and 8u NPH for breakfast on one day, it will use those values as the default for breakfast the next day, but it won't automatically select them; instead, I have to press the insulin button, add NPH, and add Humalog. Since the majority of the time I'm taking the same amount (or minor variation) of insulin each day, this is annoying.

    There's a serial cable to download the data, but it's Windows only. The charts and graphs that the app produces are nice, but I'd like the ability to be able to import them into the database of my choice, rather than having to open the Access file it generates. Also, the settings between the UltraSmart and the program are seperate; it doesn't transfer over (even one way) on the serial cable, which means I had to enter my ranges on the UltraSmart, and then again on the app.

    No numeric keypad. The Ultrasmart has the capability to record fat, carbohydrates, and protein entries, but it's a real PITA to enter the number "36" when you have to scroll to it (also, no way to enter exactly what it is that you ate, but a keyboard may be way too big). Hence, I don't use this feature at all, which is too bad.

  8. Re:BIG High Contrast Display Readout - Data Storag by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Accu-Chek Complete from Roche Diagnostics has most of the features you ask for, with the exception of wireless and/or USB/Firewire.

    It does feature a 19,200 baud serial port, so it's faster than most wired meters (most are 9600 baud). It is their geek's choice of meters.

    Most doctor's offices already have the software and cables necessary to download and review their patient's data. Similar software and cables are available (and included with Complete) for consumers to use at home.

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    A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
  9. Re:BIG High Contrast Display Readout - Data Storag by Violet+Null · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you are going for the cool stuff, a reader that store the results, timestamps them and can display graphs of the sugar levels would be a great tool for doctors.

    The Onetouch UltraSmart does this, though on the tiny screen it's difficult to make things out. The info can be downloaded via a serial cable and then printed out, much more readable. USB would be much easier, though.

  10. diabetes watch by nuggetman · · Score: 2, Informative

    there was a watch debuted about a year or two ago that read your blood sugar through your skin. however, it wasn't 100% accurate and recommended still doing your regular needle based sugar checks. i'm sure any innovations that can eliminate blood-based checking (and the loss of circulation to the fingers that goes with it) would be welcomed with open arms by the diabetes community.

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    ...and that's all there is to it.
    1. Re:diabetes watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was very excited about the Glucowatch - I even participated in a clinical study for the product - but the "skin irritation" was awful! I had welts all over my arms and it just wasn't worth the discomfort. The concept is great though - I would definately test another device of this type in the future.

      Oh yeah, one other problem - the test results that you saw on the Glucowatch were on a 20 minute lag from when the reading had been taken...by the time you saw that your BS was low it could've been too late.

  11. My immediate family are all Type II. by RainbearNJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My mother is blind due to diabetes-induced glaucoma. She is stuck using a crappy end-of-life'd One Touch Profile, because all of the new, nifty meters can't be used by blind people (that is, there are no devices to help them guide the blood onto the strip, there are no voice boxes available, etc.). It's a serious issue that most of these companies (One Touch, Accuchek, Freestyle, etc.) never address. How many diabetics are blind, people? A good bunch. Why don't they design monitoring devices for their use too?

    Personally, I have a One Touch Ultra Smart, and I love 90% of it. I hate the fact that I can't edit the labels for "Health" and "Exercise" for instance. I love the graphing. I love the capillary-action strips. The 5-second test time is amazingly convenient, as well.

    My dad uses an Accuchek of some variety--he swears by it, even though it takes 10x as long for him to get a reading than I do.

    I'd love to see something that has a built-in voice box for blind people (seriously, how hard would this be nowadays??). I'd love to see that same model allow them to use the newer capillary-action strips, as well.

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    Lucky for me I always have Emergency Pants!
    1. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are voice boxes. although I suppose they are pretty rare.. I had never seen one until recently.

      sorry I don't remember the name of it, but we just gave one away. (I think my mom aquired it second hand and gave it to someone in her diabetes group who has sight problems.)

      Basically it was a large box that you plugged a regular meter into via it's typical chip/strip interface, and then you put the thing in the voicebox.. it would also read, I believe the insulin date/label if you needed that.

      At very least you know they exist now. If you can't find such a thing through a websearch, there must be a blind organization out there that would have the knowledge.

    2. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AccuChek takes 30 sec - but very, very good points for blindness and other diabetic vision complications.

    3. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      Check again, there is an Accu-Chek brand meter for people with limited or no vision - it's called Voicemate. It reads the barcode on insulin vials as well to make sure the patient has the right bottle.

      Also, I don't know of a single Accu-Chek meter that takes more than 30 seconds to give you a result - you must have a very fast meter.

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      A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
    5. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by RainbearNJ · · Score: 1

      I have a One Touch Ultra Smart, 5 seconds for a reading... Thanks for the voicemate link, I'll look into it for Mom :)

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      Lucky for me I always have Emergency Pants!
    6. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by RainbearNJ · · Score: 1

      She has a voice box hooked up to an old One Touch Profile. It's finding them (and the requisite setups) for the *newer* meters that's next to impossible it seems :-/

      (tho someone just sent a link for an Accuchek Voicemate.. I'll be looking into one of those for her..)

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      Lucky for me I always have Emergency Pants!
    7. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah this accuchek voicemate looks like exactly what I was referring to.

    8. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by ian2000611 · · Score: 1

      I have a lengthy post below that details what I would want in a meter, one thing I mentioned is a mini-B usb port. These ports are able to act as devices and hosts. With this port you would be able to attach add-ons such as a voice box. Please take a look at my post for more details on this dream meter and post any more interesting ideas that it may inspire.

    9. Re:My immediate family are all Type II. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother who is blind uses the accu-check voicemate. She hates how much blood it takes, and how sore it makes her fingers. She reads a lot of braille, and the meter has made it more difficult for her to read.

      Also - she never uses the barcode reader for insulin that's on the back of the meter.

      She loves it when my wife stops by with one of the newer meters that can test on your forearm or leg. She can't wait for them to come out with the newer generation meters with speech too.

      She's frustrated in general that technology for the blind is years behind what society uses. She has the same frustration with her clunky Cell Phone.

      She's also frustrated with dispensing insulin when you're blind. She has difficulty properly filling the needles.

  12. Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by Aboo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd agree with the above poster who said Diabetics are mostly pathological liars, we are. Believe it or not, testing your blood sugar SUCKS. It hurts, I don't care if it's your finger or your arm. (By the way, 20 minutes ago isn't good enough for Humalog insulin, so arm testing is risky at best.) If you have a tester with an IR port, there IS software that will read and input the data, but you might need an M.D. to get it. My doctor has some really nice software for the Accu-Check, but as a "user" I'm only able to get a really really dumbed down version of it for 50 bucks from the manufacturer. >:( I don't like implants, which is why I don't pump. But if you can give me a way to test my sugar that doesn't hurt all the friggin' time, I'd use it. I like feeling good as much as the next guy, but being in pain my entire life just isn't worth it, to me. That's what I care about. With the technology and resources available today, there has got to be some way to remove the pain from treating this damn disease. At least until we can convince the Bible belt to allow continued research in stem-cell technology... But I think we'll have to destroy a lot of drug and equipment manufacturer's before that'll ever come about. :(

    1. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by bhima · · Score: 1
      Hey man, honestly there's enough money in diabetes care to over come most objections to Any reasonable research. Don't think there isn't research ongoing in that direction and don't think there aren't Huge efforts in non-invasive blood glucose monitoring (actually non invasive blood anything monitoring) it's the holy grail and if you don't believe me just ask a nurse or a tech for another fetal blood gas sample.

      By the way, you don't have the same software the doctor's office has because the FDA has decreed that the patient is too stupid to use it, so there is this great divide of stuff trained people can use and stuff the great unwashed masses can use.

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      Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    2. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "I'd agree with the above poster who said Diabetics are mostly pathological liars, we are. Believe it or not, testing your blood sugar SUCKS. It hurts, I don't care if it's your finger or your arm."
      I do not get this statment about being pathological liars? Testing blood sugar does suck and it does hurt a little. Frankly I do not find it that bad better than going blind, kidney failure, or amputation. Frankly the giving up potatos and pasta.

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      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    3. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by Aboo · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming by "fetal blood gas" sample your refering to a blood gas from an unborn fetus? Man, I wouldn't wish that test done on my worst enemy. The third time they missed that sucker was the last time they've ever run that "test" on me. That is the most god awful pain in the world... and then "oops, missed, we gotta try again." Talk about being an unwilling "beta tester".

    4. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by Aboo · · Score: 1

      I understand your questioning of my statement here... and not knowing where you come from or how long you've had this lovely disease and to what degree it effects you, I can't speak for you, only me. Personally, I get sick of every doctor I talk to telling me the "right" way to treat myself. When I see 10 a year and they all swear by different treatments/methods. I get sick of those same doctors telling me how ignorant or stubborn I am for not doing this, or insisting on doing this. (Usually things another doctor suggested that I try.) I'm 29 years old, my kidneys are showing problems now, I have advanced, aggressive retinopathy and the circulation in my hands and feet is really really poor. My sister is 27 years old, was diagnosed with diabetes the same DAY I was, has followed the same regimen as I did until I was about 25 and started losing my sight. Praise God that she has absolutely no problems what so ever. The short and sweet answer is that they have no friggin clue sir. They'll tell you that too if you put it to them. "It's a 50/50 shot that taking excellent control of your blood sugars will result in good health...." There is no benefit for Lilly, Accu-Check or any of the rest of them to actually cure this disease. None, whatsover. They can't get/stay rich if people stop buying insulin and test strips. We are the PERFECT market. We are so scared of horrible things happening to us that we RUSH to the store to buy any new thing that hits and then we keep using it for YEARS even if it doesn't noticably help us. And we'll keep doing it too. That's the sad thing. We all want to live with as little pain and turmoil as possible. :"( I've gotta go pick up my humongous insulin pens and my 7yr old's test strips now. He hasn't started yet, but the one time I won't get mad at him for lying to me will be when I catch him telling me that "I already took it Daddy, it was ummmmm 89!..."

    5. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I am 39 as so far so good. I am new to this but by eye and kidney tests are good so far and They actually cutting back on my meds now. I am around 90 in the am and 75 in the evening. So far my doctors have told me that eveyone is dfferent and that I should next expect it to be perfect. Thanks for you insight and warning. I guess at this point I should just do the best I can and hope for the best.

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    6. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by Uzziel · · Score: 1

      Who knew there were so many diabetic geeks?
      I was diagnosed (type 1) when I was 28. One week, out of the blue, my eyesight got so bad that I couldn't read traffic signs. Not retinal damage, thank God - fluid displacement in the lens caused by a two-week blood glucose of around 550.

      It can be really hard to put your meter on the table before dinner with your family and friends and put a drop of blood on the strip. I don't mind the pain at all; but you get the feeling that every time you test around other people, you are being judged. If my reading is high, I feel embarassed.

      It's hard. But I thank my lucky stars that my family and friends keep on my ass about this disease.

      I don't think that most diabetics are literally pathological liars. But we have our health on public display much moreso than other people, so we have a lot more opportunities to cover up our failings.

    7. Re:Type I - Use the Accu-Check, when I use it... by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      I love how every time some hard medical problem comes up people start going off on stem-cell research, as if enough effort put forth in that one field will solve every health problem ever. I've got news for you: stem-cell research may help diabetes. It may help cancer. It may help AIDS. The thing is, it likely won't help all those diseases. Don't use the reduced amount of research taking place as a scapegoat for your disease du jour. The reason we have all these hard diseases to crack is all the easy ones have bene taken care of. Such is the nature of the beast - we've got tough problems to solve, and no magic bullet will fix them all.

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  13. As an EMT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As an EMT, I'd love to see timestamped results with some sort of authenticity - it's burdensome enough to do all the paperwork, but it's all the more tedious trying to read the number you scrawled on your glove sometime between marking on scene and clear-available in district.

    And the form factor is all wrong, too - at least for the portables. The strips are too tiny, the glucometer device itself, too large and too circular. Of the hosts, the AccuCheck is the best, but it's got a lot of room for improvement.

    And the device has to be rugged.

    And the display backlit with super nova-degrees of intensity and contrast.

    And do something about the strips - they yield poor results when it's cold, inflexible to the point of breaking, difficult to remove from sterile packaging without contaiminating and when combined with lancets, present yet another set of tiny sharps to be sat on by firefighters.

    And did I mention make it rugged?

    1. Re:As an EMT... by bhima · · Score: 1
      ALL test strips are temperature dependent. They should be stored with the meter so that the meter and the strips are as close to the same temp as possible.

      All strips have an allowable temperature range, which is printed on their container, if you bend a strip and it breaks you are outside of that range and the results are useless

      If the device had the back light and contrast you describe it would either weigh 5 kilos or have a battery life of 30 seconds. Which do you prefer?

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  14. Cost of test strips key by phoenix_V · · Score: 1

    All the features mentioned so far, Graphing, download to computer (preferable in an open format), and noting insulin ammounts are key to me as well.

    But the key "feature" I'd like to see is low cost test strips. When you have no insurance coverage the strips get expensive and tend to discourage regular testing.

    1. Re:Cost of test strips key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As another Type I diabetic with no insurance, I highly agree. I would be willing to pay significantly more money in a split second for a continuous, non-invasive meter that doesn't require strips or calibration (http://www.fda.gov/diabetes/glucose.html). Sadly, as mentioned before, the obstacles to destroying a large revenue source (the strip market) will make the development of such devices incredibly difficult.

      Many people have mentioned graphing and other advanced features as being "key". My philosophy for managing this disease is to make it as low-maintenance, low-stress, and simple as possible. I wouldn't use those features, simply because it would add a lot of time to the well-controlled management that I already have, and be unnecessary. Being able to whip out a meter, check BG in a few seconds and put it away is all I require.

      Honestly, there are so many meters on the market right now, creating a new fancy one with any number (or lack thereof) of features, that uses the same old blood sugar strips is bound to fall wayside. In my opinion, it would also be a waste of hundreds of wonderful, creative brain hours such as yours! Creating something new and incredibly useful to people as a whole would be an amazing achievement, on the other hand.

      Good luck!

    2. Re:Cost of test strips key by josepha48 · · Score: 2, Informative
      agreed!. My roommate is a diabetic so I help him keep track of his diabetes. His meter only keeps readings for the past 14 days, so I record his doses on my pda. I also store his insulin doses on my pda so we both know when he has had his shot and how much. It has helped him more to a) test 2 times before he goes to bed, so he has an idea of which way his bloodsugar is going; b) its helped him by making sure he has gotton his shot.

      He is technically a type 1, but did not develop diabetes til he was about 19 or so. As I understand it most type 1 are usually diabetics earlier than 19, while most type 2 are usually not affect till they are older 50ish, but that is not always the case.

      The biggest problem he has had has not been calibration, as I think he uses a "OneTouch UltraSmart", but the test stips not working. Test stips suck for several reasons. If they do not get the right amount of blood on them then they fail. If the machine is not correctly calibrated then the test was useless.

      What I'd like to see, and I have seen someone making this, is a watch like device. You could wear it on your wrist and it uses ultrasound or something to test your bloodsugar. I would think that in this day and age we would be able to use some kind of ultrasonic wave or something to examine the blood without having to blead a person first. Yes its kinda startreky, but so are combined PET/CT scans. How about a mini-PET/CT scanner like device?

      The toughest part for me as the roommate of a diabetic, is dealing with all the blood all over the place. Think 5 pokes a day to test, and then bleed on the test strip, then bleed on the kitchen counter and napkins. Its really unappitising.

      If I had the knowledge I'd develop a watch or handheld device that did not need a blood sample to test the blood sugar. I believe it is possible, hey the PET/CT scan can look inside a body and give a 3d view and tell where there is cancer, so why not recalibrate and look in and see what the rest of the body is doing. Then shrink the machine lots.

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    3. Re:Cost of test strips key by josepha48 · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah I forgot to mention, I have over 3 years worth of his data, and graphing it is not something anyone needs in tester. Diabetics would more likely need to know their 14 day average, and their 6 week average. It would also be nice it there was a way to bring the 6 week avereage test that they doctors use when he goes to his checkups to a home test kit as well.

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    4. Re:Cost of test strips key by phoenix_V · · Score: 1

      I agree that graphing is not needed in the tester really, but it would be handy sometimes. Mostly I just eneter my data into a custom php page and dump it to MySQL, then it makes pretty MRTG style graphs for me and is way more flexable than any software I've seen from the testers themselves. An open data transfer method from the testers would help greatly here as then I could automate the process.

    5. Re:Cost of test strips key by smatthew · · Score: 1

      When you talk about the 6 week average i'm assuming you are talking about an A1C. You can get that test in a take home version at any drugstore. It's called an A1CNow. Costa about 24 bucks, give you your A1C number (which is an average of the last 2-3 months), and is one use. Just give it a drop of blood and you get back your A1C. A lot easier than going to the Dr's to get blood drawn to check.

      A word of advice - just make sure that when you pick it up the pharmacist gets it out of the fridge. I heard they need to be stored in a fridge, and i've seen a couple CVS' in my area just keeping them on the counter.

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    6. Re:Cost of test strips key by bhima · · Score: 1
      Do you shave? Do you have a safety razor (I use a Mach 3)? Do you remember what you paid for your razor? Do you remember what you paid for the blades?

      Do I need to go further to explain to you why strips cost what they cost?

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  15. alternate methods of testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I gotta say, as a Type II diabetic, the biggest issue I see is that pricking myself is the biggest pain, both physically (not _SO_ bad) and psychologically. Find a way to get over that - tatoos, urine analysis, whatever - and you've solved the biggest problem. The prick is by far the biggest obsrtuction to diabetics doing self-monitoring.

  16. Unwrap that rascal! by stuffduff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is really hurting the meters IMHO is feature creep. What I'd be interested in is the equivalent of the open-source radio. That is to day: put the mechanics on a pcmcia card, compact CF appliance, or even a modified SDIO card. Then wrap it in a really simple meter that just gives you a one shot readout. All too often, the data goes into a 'proprietary trap-door' in that the patent can get it into the meter (a major accomplishment for many) but the clinic cannot access the data because that can't afford the plethora of cables/cradles/ports and or software products to access the data and do something useful with it. Maybe it's time to have the meters all have a standards compliant infra-red connection based on HL7. Then the devices can be plugged into handhelds, laptops, or even smart phones for the convenience of the patients and still be accessible to the health care providers.

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    1. Re:Unwrap that rascal! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      1) Any doctor's office or clinic can call up most major diagnostics companies and receive a set of cables/cradles/ports and software products absolutely free. By providing the office/clinic with these devices, the doctors/nurses have reason to recommend that brand of product to their patients. It's just like the free prescription pads that most pharma companies give out, the free pens, drug samples, etc. It's part of the cost of doing business.

      2) The main reason that meters are not more standardized is cost. To add IRDA or HL7 protocols costs money - not much, but it adds up fast. If you're planning to turn out 4,000,000 meters this year and only 1,500 customers will likely want IRDA, is it really worth even $0.01 in additional cost to add it to all 4,000,000 meters? No, it's not.

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    2. Re:Unwrap that rascal! by stuffduff · · Score: 1
      1) It may be cost effective to the meter manufacturer to supply cables and software free of charge, but do they supply a computer? Do they send a tech to install & configure the software and hardware? It's a token response, to show that they have made the effort, but it is clearly not a workable soultion. (Think CYA)

      2) If it improves the quality of the patient's life by improving the quality of healthcare then it's priceless. Any B.S. about profitability at the cost of quality of life is simply the companies method of saying "We care more about our a** than we do about yours." In which they might as well just admit what they're doing (We're only in it for the money!) and buy their way big time into the tobacco companies, which is where they belong in the first place.

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    3. Re:Unwrap that rascal! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      To answer your first question, I can only speak for the company I'm familiar with and, yes, they do send technicians out to install and configure the software and hardware. They train the salesforce to do it, plus they have a group of uber-IT-geeks who report through Marketing instead of IT and there job is to travel all over the country and do that. I don't know details about how or why, but I've heard that on a few occassions when the office/clinic PC wasn't powerful enough, or didn't have the right ports, etc, to support the latest software, that they would buy a new PC for them, but I don't know if they'll just buy one for any doctor's office/clinic that wants one. Unless it's some sort of free-clinic catering to low-income families, the Doctor should have more than enough money to buy an eMachine to put on the desk.

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    4. Re:Unwrap that rascal! by bhima · · Score: 1
      Improving the quality of a patient's life is not "priceless" it has a well understood cost, value and return.

      Your idea about "unwrapping" the diagnostic part from the User interface has been done, although I don't remember if went to market and failed or if was canceled just before (I do know that it was finished).

      The idea that a diagnostics device manufacturer would have anything to do with providing a computer is so counter productive it staggers the mind. It's like providing a space shuttle to homeless man to get to soup kitchen. Anything you need to know about your diabetes statistics can be done with 8 bit microcontroller. People who are stupid enough to provide computers with a diagnostic device not only wind up competing with Dell but wind up having to maintain tech support for things which are not within their core competence

      If you live in the western world you live in a capitalist society. A business has only one purpose: to enrich the shareholders, that's it. That's the way corporations are designed, that is their nature and the bit about tabacco is just you talking out of your ass.

      The market will not support an expensive meter: Full Stop.

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  17. KISS by Slugworth01 · · Score: 1
    My wife is Type 1 and checks herself regularly. She prefers the type of device that allows alternative measurement sites - arm, leg, etc. I don't remember the name of the meter she is using at the moment. That's not important.

    What is important is to understand the makeup of the people who aer using diabetes testing equipment. In my wife's case she had at one time a device that could upload readings into a computer, I dutifully set it all up and showed her how to use it. She's not the nerd that I am however, and only used the upload did the graphing one or two times.

    She said it was more time that she had to spend managing her diabetes and was not interested in that. My take is that it's about as fun as balancing your check book.

    So my suggestion, as the spouse of a type 1 diabetic, is to keep it simple. If you have the bells and whistles, my guess is that maybe 10% of the users of the device will try them, and probably 5% of your users will use them regularly. Some market research can validate or refute these SWAG numbers.

    As as others have mentioned - non-intrusive monitoring is the thing to shoot for. Then tie that into automatic dosing of insulin and you've got the artifical, external, closed loop replacement for diabetes.

    1. Re:KISS by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      I'm a serious geek, but downloading my numbers to my computer (even with my new IR transfer capability) is just more trouble than it's worth. I usually don't bother except for one dump just before visiting the endocrinologist, and that's usually only good for averages since I can't be arsed to keep the clock accurate. (My Glucometer's clock drifted BADLY, the Accu-Chek's battery compartment is too loose and it completely loses its time frequently.)

      Implement wireless Palm HotSync-style syncing. (Hit button on the meter with zero interaction on the meter itself) and people might use it. Bluetooth might be a good bet here. Make the fucking protocol open by the way.

      Someone mentioned a "pseudo-meter" in a CF device. Bad idea. The hottest feature in meters right now is multi-strip cartridges/drums. Can't fit those in a CF form factor. After going multi-strip (first with a Glucometer Dex and now an Accu-Chek Compact) I will NEVER go back to a single-strip device.

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    2. Re:KISS by The+Lurker+King · · Score: 0

      I agree as well. My son is type 1 and we don't use the graphing capabilities of a meter. A paper log does just fine. While being a computer geek myself, I just haven't seen the need for graphing the data. If I don't see the need for something like this, I can't imagine there are many other people who would use it.

      My wish list would include a cartridge type loading for a meter for test strips with a way for the meter to know what code it is without a manual entry. Shouldn't the meter know what code the test strip is? Also, the faster reading meter, the better.

      We currently use the One Touch Ultra.

  18. Glucowatch was a bomb by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not 100% accurate is an understatement - it was apparently severly inaccurate if you were sweating.

    It also caused significant skin irritation (People preferred the occasional pinprick) and was insanely expensive. I was looking forward to it greatly but when it was released, the reviews were so horrible I didn't even bother.

    I believe the company is out of business now. The company didn't even come close to selling enough units to pay for all the R&D, the watch bombed so badly.

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  19. If you use an Accu-Chek by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Go to the Zaurus User Group forums (I think www.zaurususergroup.net), in the Off-Topic section there's a thread with data dumps of the Compact's protocol and a Perl script I wrote to dump the data. Right now it just prints time/date/reading to stdout, but it would be easy to modify to dump into a MySQL DB.

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  20. Auto-Download by jacobdp · · Score: 1

    Type I here, Minimed Paradigm 511 and One-Touch Ultra.

    Minimed's new pumps have RF interfaces (better than infrared - no line-of-sight), and there's a meter that can integrate with the latest pump to automatically calculate boluses. Extremely cool, I want one.

    What I would like is completely automatic downloading - I sit in front of my computer, and it transfers all of the blood sugar and bolus data. I can deal with a few clicks to actually print it out, but I wish the download itself was completely automated.

  21. diabetes watch-Catalytic Implants.* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's accuracy would have been higher if there was a matching blood-sugar sensitive implant?

    *Hmmm...now that I think about it. Dispense with the insulin pump, and put in a permanent sugar catalyst.

  22. Re:BIG High Contrast Display Readout - Data Storag by Unholy_Kingfish · · Score: 1
    I never saw that one before. I will have to check into it and it might turn into a birthday present for him.

    Thanks!

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  23. Being an insulin dependent diabetic... by robyannetta · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you can create something like this without the high price, I and millions of other diabetics will pray to you. Imagine: Inexpensive glucose monitoring without bloodletting. These guys did it, why can't anyone else?

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    1. Re:Being an insulin dependent diabetic... by bhima · · Score: 1

      I have one of those sitting in my collection. The reason that no one else did it is that is sucks in the most egregious way. It can be wildly inaccurate and It can give you a painful rash where it monitors because it is not really non-invasive. I tried it for a week before I took it apart. And no I'm not just bad mouthing the competition.

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  24. A few things by Uzziel · · Score: 2, Informative
    Type I diabetic here; I use an Accu-check and take my insulin from a Humalog pen.

    Things I would like in my PDA (Personal Diabetic's Assistant):

    • no test strips. They are fscking expensive. There has got to be a way to check blood sugar without strips. Non-invasively would be optimal.
    • a scale. I don't count my carbs like I should, and part of the reason is I have a hard time estimating how many ounces of pasta I've got on my plate. A small portable scale would be nice.
    • wireless data transfer. IR would be nice, Bluetooth would be better.
    • mealtime alarm.
    • running blood glucose monitoring. A lot of other people here have already mentioned the Glucowatch. One of its features was the ability to track your glucose levels and trigger an alarm if you were heading hyper- or hypo-glycemic. I don't want to have to wait for my lips to go numb or my hands to start shaking to know that I need half a can of soda.
    • some kind of interaction with a glucose pump. If one gizmo can track my blood sugar and communicate that to a pump, that would be almost as good as an artificial pancreas.
    • as an emergency feature, an audible alarm that could speak instructions to anyone in earshot if I lose consciousness. Most of my co-workers know that I'm diabetic, but not all of them know what to do if I suddenly pass out. (That has never happened, thank God.) But a voice giving nice calm instructions would be really great in case I o.d. on insulin.
  25. Medtronic pump plus sensor clinical trials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have heard that Medtronic will be enrolling patients next year at a number of clinical sites in trials to look at the performance of their new pump + sensor technology vs. standard pump vs. intensive therapy.

    One complication that I see is that the glucose sensor measures the glucose concentration in interstitial fluid, which equilibrates with blood glucose and lags behind it by 20-30 minutes (or perhaps more?). This hysteresis would complicate the models used to match insulin infusion rates to dynamically changing blood glucose levels. Still, with conservative models and a bit of common sense, like checking blood glucose with a fingerstick if you do feel hypoglycemic, I'm sure this thing would be a vast improvement. Just the idea that I could sleep at night and not wake up to high BGs from the dawn effect would be worth anything. Yes, I know that can be done with pumps today, but the constant waking, monitoring and tinkering is such a disruption I can't handle it.

  26. Combine! by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 1

    T1 for, um, a decade or so. I use an Esprit Glucometer (now sold as an Ascencia I think), lispro (Humalog) with a pen, and currently glargine (Lantus) with a syringe. I don't mind testing at all, it's no problem, but y'see I still don't do it. The reason is I'm lazy, and forgetful. What I really need is an insulin delivery device combined with a glucose measuring device and a lancing ("finger prick") device. They don't have to interact with each other, just as long as when I have the insulin pen in my hand, I also have the glucose meter and lancer in my hand. That way, when i go to take some insulin, I can't help but pick up the meter at the same time and if I do that I am much more likely to test, right at the time I should be testing (before meals). The meter should of course be cartrige (multi-strip) capable, the Esprit takes ten strips at a time and is near a perfect meter for me.

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    1. Re:Combine! by KidMuddy · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Combine! by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 1

      Interesting, but I see a few problems

      First it looks huge, I'm sure they could make it much smaller if they tried. When I'm going anywhere I can easily through my Esprit into a pocket (it's about the size of a pack of cigarettes (not that I smoke)), I don't think I could do that with this.

      Second, no lancer built in, this renders it much less useful as without a lancer built in I'm much less likely to test.

      Third, the screen looks vulnerable (admittedly, no more so than a cell phone's or PDA's), the Esprit has a slding cover that both protects the screen and presents the test strip.

      And third, it seems it can only be used with Novo Nordisk vials, I'd want a version that could take both Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly vials and maybe even have blank vials available you can self-fill from 10ml bottles with a syringe for maximum future-proofing.

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  27. I hate to tell everyone... by jessecurry · · Score: 1

    ...but my idea for a diabetic testing supply would be a small device that was implanted along side one of the user's veins, where it would have access to the blood stream. This device would then have a short range wireless interface that allowed the user to monitor their blood glucose levels without needing to draw blood.
    I thought the the idea would also hold great promise for body builders or anyone else who was really concerned with controlling their nutrition.
    As far as I know I haven't seen anything like it, but if anyone else has please let me know, I'd be extremely interested in the design and implementation.

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    1. Re:I hate to tell everyone... by ian2000611 · · Score: 1

      I love it, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way, but if you could find a way for a device of this fasion to act as an insulin pump to that would be even better.

  28. Suggestion by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    Get a meter and use it yourself for two or three months.
    Find out what is a pain and what is not about using one and go from there.

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  29. Re:Diabetics are liars: I resemble that remark by binayak · · Score: 1

    I'm Type II. I have 2 meters which I never use, mainly because I can't stand sticking myself every day. Diabetes and heart disease run in the family ... When my grandfather was my age, he had been dead for 2 years. I'd just keep going until I keeled over, but I have 3 young kids and a (much) younger wife who would really miss me... shit! Time to give up the wine, desserts and actually pay some f*ing attention to my health. ... Sucks. -- Binayak.

  30. Im not even diabetic by baadfood · · Score: 1

    but, having been exposed to the Atkins diet, and being somewhat overwieght, Id love to monitor my own blood sugar to correlate against the foods I eat. With the prevelance of fast food, its damn difficult to pick out low GI carbs. I want constant, non invasive, blood chemistry monitoring gadgets - they must be simple, but programmable.

  31. me too by Dink+Paisy · · Score: 1
    Since this is a poll I don't feel bad about saying me too, but I have a couple minor changes.

    It's not necessarily strips that matter, but overall cost. Monitoring is very $$$ intensive now.

    Continuous monitoring would be VERY nice. If not continuous monitoring, something that was convenient and cheap enough that I could test every twenty minutes or so would be great. That pretty much rules out an invasive meter; I wouldn't poke myself that often under normal circumstances. Bonus points if I can attach it to my finger or arm or whatever and have it continue to function test automatically in the night time.

    A few words on insulin pumps. I don't have one, but my younger brother does. As a student, I can't afford one. Meter-pump integration would be nice, but you would obviously need reliable and regular monitoring for that. For anyone developing such a thing, a big part would be to convince insurance companies to pay for it.

    Two other features that other people have mentioned that I second (or third, or so on) are alarms for bad results (or results that are headed in a bad direction, if the monitoring is regular enough to detect a trend) and easy to read displays that have some lighting. I would rather have that than ultra-long battery life, particularly if the meter can take some type of rechargeable battery (such as NiMH AA or AAA cells).

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    1. Re:me too by iawia · · Score: 1

      Last year I participated in a test of a continuous metering system at the (academic) hospital where I go.
      It definetively wasn't non-invasive, though! The metering was by measuring some properties of a fluid that was pumped through a tube (containing some sort of reagent (sp?)) that was looped through, ehm, me.
      The measuring device itself was rather big, too, but in a research sample, that's only to be expeced.
      The device still had quite a few problems, especially with the tube getting easily dislodged. It did give an alarm signal on sudden changes in glucose levels, though, and for values above or below certain limits.

      The point of this post is that the data from this test, flawed as it was, still gave me some interesting insights in the development of my glucose levels during the day (like sharp dips right after the lunch, probably due to the humalog insulin working a lot faster than expected), proving that continuous monitoring can (though not in this form, it was *really* uncomfortable!) really help in managing blood sugar levels.

  32. Rate of change by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

    My wife has reactive hypoglycemia- which appears to me (an engineer) as an under-damped differential equation- if her blood sugar goes too high too quickly, it will then go low quickly, which has led to intoxication like symptoms, and occasionally, unconsciousness.

    A device that can accurately measure rate of change of blood sugar would go a long way towards helping her out- since it could help her predict and avoid the dangerous crashes. Right now, the only way is with test strips, and as many have pointed out, it gets really expensive.

    1. Re:Rate of change by bhima · · Score: 1
      Matt, if your wife's diabetes is that out of control she will develop permanent vital organ damage.

      She needs to go to a Doctor NOW, who should send her to a diabetes educator, who should have her also consult a dietitian. Diet and exercise (life style) are the only known methods of stabilizing (or damping) her condition.

      If it was my wife I would not go to work tomorrow I would take her to where ever my insurance would allow and I'd do it before lunch (being that's it's 1 in the morning here as I type).

      If she is already under a doctor's immediate care I would 1: reevaluate our life style and make sure that we following all the doctors orders (particularly with respect to diet and exercise) 2: Get a second (or third) opinion.

      Matt, I know the lifestyle is not appealing, from outside, or easy to keep up but it is an absolute necessity.

      Oh... and you're more or less on target with your assesment

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    2. Re:Rate of change by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

      Well, all that has already been done (including endocrinologists saying "that can't be happening", and "your glucometer must be wrong, your blood sugar can't be that low and still be conscious" and then it checks matches what their hi-tech super doctor's office stuff says). Her blood sugar is under control now (keeping to a low carb diet and monitoring the amount of carbs/meal)... mostly. At this point, there doesn't seem to be anything that medicine can do- her pancreas does work, but just not on schedule. Just like an underdamped differential equation. Every endocrinologist just throws up their hands and gives it all to the dietician.

      Just gotta keep an eye out for the occasional extremes (which have been caused on very hot days with dehydration, weird reactions to antihistamines, and by a dumb s*** endocrinologist sending her to drive home after a glucose tolerance test).

    3. Re:Rate of change by drlworthington · · Score: 1

      You don't mention her regimen, but it's easier to control glucose with basal/bolus than with split/mixed. Important thing is to ensure that the basal dose really is. Fast all day (10-15 hours) to be sure, adjusting the basal dose until glucose stays steady-normal all day with just the basal dose.

      Lantus and Glargine aren't good basal insulins, because basal need changes during the day. I use NPH, which has a small peak to handle the dawn phenominon [at least if you take it near midnight]. Expect 4 times the morning dose at bedtime (NOT split equally, because you need more for that dawn phenom at bedtime, and less when you're active in the afternoon for the morning dose).

      Once you have the TRUE Basal dose down, you can use Huma/Nova-log to cover meals, counting carbs and using a ratio appropriate to her insulin sensitivity; typically 1 Unit/10g carb.

      Trick to avoid hypo is to account for previously injected insulin. 25% of Huma/Novo-log used up in first hour, 75% in second hour. Rest goes away by 4th hour. Insulin sensitivity is how much 1 U insulin lowers glucose (over those 4+ hours) absent any food, exercise or other bolus insulin. It usually runs from 30-50 mg/dl/Unit - nearer the low end for large adults, the high end for small children.

      Medical causes of instability include an overactive pancreas (negative C-Peptide test can rule that out) and variably delayed gastric emptying (can't remember the term for this just now). I presume her MD has ruled them out.

      With a true basal/bolus regimen, however, it should be possible to eat carbs without instability. In fact, it's the one thing that makes Type 1 easier than Type 2: you can eat what you want if you just accomodate it with the right amount of insulin, since you aren't counting on diet & exercise to achieve control.

    4. Re:Rate of change by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

      Her endocrinologist has called it "type 1.5" and has categorically refused to prescribe insulin, citing a very real possibility that it could kill her- her pancreas *does* produce insulin (so she's not type 1 as I understand it) and her body can use the insulin she produces (so she's not type 2 as I understand it). But we have seen her blood sugar go from over 200 to under 70 in less than an hour.

      I don't have her test results handy- but mostly the endocrinologists are left scratching their heads.

      Thankfully, her blood sugar has been kept under pretty good control for the past 6 months or so through diet. Going back to the original premise- the best thing I could think for her would be some tool that would monitor the rate of change of her glucose, which could help her avoid the extremes by letting her know to eat something (if going low fast), or to figure out what she did wrong (if going high too fast).

      I'm not as concerned about her highs- they tend not to be too extreme (rarely over 200), and very tied to what she has eaten, but her lows... they can be scary.

    5. Re:Rate of change by drlworthington · · Score: 1

      Ah, I had presumed Type 1, which is my specialty. Your MD is probably correct in holding off on insulin for now, but she may well progress to Type 1 and need it eventually. See http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_types/diabetes _type_15.php for a description of Type 1.5. This is a good site in general, run by a Type 1 friend who is also a diabetes educator. His book, Using Insulin, is a very good one for Type 1 patients.

      I'd be interested to know what kind of med she is on. Without insulin, the only thing that would likely cause rapid hypo would be too much insulin stimulation, which reducing the dose should mediate, depending on what it is.

      There is an extreme approach you can find at http://www.diabetes-solution.net/ that it sounds like she is, in effect, using now. For a Type 1.5, Bernstein's "minimize the challenge" approach makes some sense, though I think his reluctance to use Huma/Novo-log with Type 1 patients needless.

      A case could be made, once an appropriate basal dose of insulin stimulating meds has been determined, to control glucose highs with Huma/Novo-log, after determining the appropriate insulin/carbo ratio (probably less than the 1 U/10 g I mentioned for type 1 patients). The advantage would be tailoring the dose to the carb quantity, which you can't do as easily with something like glyburide or metformin because the dose acts too long. This would lead to the hypo events you describe.

      Most endocrinologists who deal with Type 2 patients are reluctant to think of insulin, though, mostlly because they think patients dont't want to inject. The state-of-the-art is moving toward using insulin sooner as patients move from Type 2 to 1, though, and it is much easier to control glucose with insulin because it does the job and gets out of the way, when administered in a proper basal/bolus regimen.

  33. OneTouch InDuo by KidMuddy · · Score: 1

    I have Type II diabetes and have tried just about every meter out there, but am now using the OneTouch InDuo meter which I love. (Not in the biblical sense though.) It combines a OneTouch Ultra meter with the Novo Nordisk insulin pen. http://www.lifescan.com/products/meters/induo/

    Also there needs to be more software for Mac users. I used to use Vigora's DiabetesMentor which would grab the data from my meter but it hasn't been updated for OSX yet and it looks like it never will be.

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  34. Functions by isotope776 · · Score: 1

    A way to view numerically, graph, and analyze trends in sugars and insulin injections up to 6 months. An automatic pager to notify parents and Dr.'s when kids have complications. (highs, lows, coma, ect.) A way for Dr.'s to update them remotely and upload the data from them. Projected A1C's. Automatic insulin dosage calculation based on perscribed ratios. Cheap test strips (GOOD LUCK). Recharge dock Ability to take normal batteries as well as rechargeables for the just in case -ALL- other medical data needed for emergencies with quick access for the ER's and clinics Pedometer to measure exercise and calories Intigrated IPod and digital camera Remote detonator in "James Bond Limited Edition"

  35. More on KISS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife is a T1 diabetic. She is currently using a Glucometer DEX. One thing that I have noticed is that when her blood sugar is real low she looses all sense of time and her cognative abilites diminish considerably.

    What all this adds up to is that if low blood sugar sneaks up on her (usually in the middle of the night), she will take her blood sugar before doing anything else. If everything goes smoothly this is usually ok, but if any little thing breaks the routine, such as the cartrige being empty (it only holds ten strips) it can take hours for her to figure out what is wrong, if her blood sugar is low enough. This wasn't near as much of a problem when the test strips came in jars of 100 and even an adled brain could see the jar was empty. But, for some reason she focuses on getting that blood sugar result, to the exclusion of all else. This way I have found her nearly unconscious a couple of times.

    Please keep the operation simple!

  36. My Bro by Horkdoom · · Score: 1

    My brother was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes about 6 years ago, he was 10 at the time. He went for almost two years on shots and then started using the Mini-Med insulin pump. He had some problems with it to begin with, but the pump has been one of the best things for him in getting his life back. He now has to use special lotions on his hands and fingertips because of the caluses that have grown from him having to test his blood sugar. He tried the testers that you can take blood from your arm or leg, but he didnt like them, and they were more costly than the tester he uses now. I have thought about the pump and how part of it is always inside of him; I'd think it should be possible to do something similar with any range of diabetic requirements, including blood sugar testing, glucagon kits (for dangerously low blood sugar), as well as insulin delivery. Good luck in your studies, I hope that they lead to something that can help my brother in the future.

  37. Even regular testers... by Horkdoom · · Score: 1

    ... are inaccurate up to +- 50.

    1. Re:Even regular testers... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      The number is approx 10-20%.

      So if your errors are +- 50, then you'd better work on how you control your bloodsugars. (Assuming you mean mg/dl, where 80-120 is the "normal" range.)

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    2. Re:Even regular testers... by Horkdoom · · Score: 1

      my brother is the diabetic, and this was told to him by the nurse/doctor. it might have been a range of 50 (+-25) but I seem to recall it being rather high considering they want him within a range of 30.

  38. I'm the father of someone with Type I by CthuluOverlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My daughter is five years old and was diagnosed with Type I when she was 15 months old. She was on injected insulin 3-4 times per day until this past October when we got her a Medtronic MiniMed Paradigm 712 insulin pump. Along the way she used the Bayer Glucometer Elite (now Ascensia), the OneTouch Ultra and now the Paradigm Link meter (by B-D) that works with her pump. Her first two meters both had the ability to connect to a Windows-based PC using a proprietary cable to a serial port. I bought both cables, and used them a total of maybe four times. It was cumbersome to get to the serial port on my computer, and the software provided was not good (although the Bayer WinGlucofacts wasn't too bad). Perhaps a USB connection would make more sense.

    The things I liked about the meters was their simplicity. I like the fact that all of the graphing and trending requires data upload to a computer. On the meter itself, about all you could do was see a 14- or 30-day average, plus recall (through monotonous pushing of the single multi-function button) the last few hundred readings. We only ever need to check the most recent one anyway, so scrolling through wasn't much of an issue. But the fewer the knobs and switches on the meter itself, the fewer things can go wrong.

    I'm neutral on the question of one strip at a time versus the cartridge-loaded multiple strip meters. I can see how that could be handy, but all of her meters have been one at a time and it doesn't really bother me. What is more important in terms of the strips is the smaller the amount of blood they require, the better. It's tough to get a decent amount of blood out of an infant's finger, and even now it's nice that her current meter needs only 0.3 microliters since it allows us to use a lower setting on the lancet device, which reduces the likelihood of calluses.

    The one improvement I would make to all of the meters is the addition of a backlight for the primary display, and perhaps an LED light for the "business end" where the strip is. We have to check her blood at 2:00 AM to watch for lows, and turning on the lights in the room sometimes wakes both kids.

    I would also echo the suggestion another poster made about getting a meter and performing checks on yourself for a while. It's really the only way you can truly understand.

    1. Re:I'm the father of someone with Type I by ian2000611 · · Score: 1

      I was diagnosed at 8 months, I'm 22 years old now, I have a post below for a dream meter, but thats another story. As for the issue of single vs. multistrip I have done both, I think that multistrip is the way to go. With single strip you have to carry several strips with you to get through a night away from home. With my multistrip meter I was able to go on vacation for a week and only had to bring three drums of strips. I was testing 5 times a day. I have tried 2 different multistrip meters, I like the accu-chek compact more because it has 17 strips per drum, and the way the case is laid out you always know if you have a spare drum with you. when I was using a single strip meter I would pack a medical kit that contained a meter, a large pile of foil packeged strips, and my 2 vials of insulin with about 40 syrings. Now I pack a meter, 2 spare drums, 1 vial, 2 pens, 10 syrings, and 40 pen needles, and my medical kit is less than 1/3rd the size. Not to mention that for a 1 day trim my medical kit as the same size as my palm pilot.

  39. Just switched to FreeStyle Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used OneTouch Ultra for the last few years and I hated it.. It would always start counting before I had enough blood on the strip, which led to countless wasted strips, which led me to throw the machine across the room.

    When I finally broke it last month, I went out and got the new Freestyle Flash meter.

    It is much better. Only starts counting when enough blood is on the strip, has a back light, and even has a light that illuminates the test strip area. Best of all, it's extremely compact. As most diabetics will tell you is important
    because you are always carrying it with you.

  40. Type 1 with OneTouch Ultra by TiTiRi · · Score: 1

    The OT Ultra is smaller and very easy to use just for a quick check. The ultimate tool should be able to work without any puncture needed...

  41. Meter Sugestions from a Diabetic by ian2000611 · · Score: 1

    Multiple strips are a must have for any diabetic on the go, the smaller you can make the meter the better, but the display needs to be easy to read. One word, BACKLIGHT. Glucose tracking is a must, advanced displays for tracking are nice but are usualy better for a desktop computer or palm app that can communicate with the meter (I know that I personaly never even look at the memory on my meter except to see if I remembered to do a test). Food intake & Insulin tracking, very few meters have this (2 that I know of do insulin and 1 does food), it is a handy feature to have and one that I have been begging for in meters for a while. My biggest complaint is that there are NO meters on the market with multistrip capability that do insulin tracking. You should be able to program the meter to sugest insulin dosage based on food intake and glucose entry (usualy 1 unit per every n carbohydrates, and 1 unit per every m mg/dl over x). These days the meter must be able to communicate with the desktop, some can communicate with palmos devices. It is my belief that the meter should come with whatever tools you need to connect it to a computer or they should be free. Many manufactures do not feel the same. Every meter I have seen uses its own connector on a cable that attaches to the computer, accu-chek uses a serial ir devices that talks a custom protocol. One way to make the tools to access the meter via a desktop easy to obtain would be to use a mini-B usb plug. If the meter were just a usb device and the software were freely downloadable (or on cd for a low price ~$5) that would be exelent. I think that is all the input I have, and if you ever create a meter close to this PLEASE let me know.

  42. Cozmonitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had type 1 diabetes for 6 years and just got an insulin pump in October - I love it! In choosing my pump, one of the main draws to the CozMore System http://www.cozmore.com/ was the Cozmonitor. This is a glucometer device that clips on to the Cozmo Pump and shares data between the devices using IR. The glucometer just tests your blood sugar, all of the screens and interface actually happens on the pump itself - so I never need to enter my current blood sugar reading into the pump when figuring out how much of a correction bolus to take...the pump knows my blood sugar as soon as I do.

    In other diabetes news, the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Walk for a Cure is coming up on January 22nd. Please visit my Fundraising Page http://www.walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=extr anet.personalpage&confirmid=86011948 and help me reach my fundraising goal!

  43. a simple user interface, but not *too* simple... by 3point1415927 · · Score: 1

    I'm not diabetic, but I am a CS grad student who will soon be working on a thesis regarding medical technology (though in an area totally unrelated to yours). Obviously I have no personal experience with either type of device you mentioned, but one thing I've seen from my own research is that people who may have comorbid diagnoses are often going to require medical devices whose user interface is more flexible than that of an entertainment device or a device meant to be operated by medical professionals. For example: users of hearing aides are normally alerted to the fact that the device is turned to an inappropriate volume for their settings/not inserted correctly/left turned on when taken out of the ear by a feedback noise. However, for users whose hearing loss is more severe in the high frequencies, they may not be able to hear this sound at all (even with an aide of the proper power & settings to aid their hearing in low-frequency ranges), and may (for example) leave the hearing aide on for extended periods of time while it's stored in a drawer, potentially causing damage to these extremely expensive devices. However, having a visual alert (say, a small LED) alone would not be sufficient, as many hearing aide users are elderly and thus may also have vision problems. Although this is a relatively simple example, I guess you can see my point of why people designing a medical device meant for people who are elderly and/or frequently present with comorbid diagnoses must keep these facts in mind.

    My thought: make it as simple as possible on the user end; perhaps have a few different modes. For example, a mode for the sight-impaired with large text, backlighting, and/or a voicebox; and another mode for hearing-impaired users (or just for people needing to use the device in a place where loud sounds are inappropriate). Keep the options in the user interface to a minimum; maybe just a startup screen with a "check sugar" option, a "view history" option, and a "test device" option if applicable.

    I agree with what other people have said about having some sort of method to upload the data from this device to a PC; it would be great if there was a "doctor mode" as well, wherein the physician could link the device up to his PC, upload the data, and view graphs and other reports in a quick and concise manner. Of course, this option could also be accessible to users who had the desire to view it.

    Ok, i think I've rambled on for long enough now....sorry, this is what happens when it's Friday and I'm at work yet have no actual work to do:).

  44. Real-time is the holy grail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been type I for 22 years, use a MiniMed 501 and work in Healthcare IT at Stanford. Cost of strips is an issue, I test 6-8 times/day and a strip is $1. I'm fortunate to have health insurance now and therefore pay a co-pay but when I use too many I must pay out of pocket, and it's a bundle.

    -Simple meters for lackadasical type IIs or those who test once a week are already on the market. Believe me when I tell you that you take care of Diabetes like an obsessive or it takes care of you. I read accounts of people with AIDS, hepatitus and type I, they think type I is the worst of the 3. You really gotta stay on top of this motherfsker.

    1)No or very inexpensive strips.
    -I was impressed with the glucometer Dex because it had a pancake strip magazine that made it easier to load the machine and dispose of used strips.

    -Single button meters suck. Too many things to configure with 1 button. I sit there and press it 12 times to change mmol/L to mg/dL.

    -Rugged as all hell, small with a good carrying case and backlight. BTW a good case saved my pump when a paintball hit it. It's now brightly splotched yellow.

    2)Real time glucose monitoring, I don't care how invasive. I want to be able to look at my watch or belt and get an accurate real-time recordable reading. It would be nice if I could bluetooth it to my pump for closed loop and store data/progs in a keyfob.

    3)I don't like writing stuff down. During pump training I killed large forests recording everything I ate, what time and how many carbs. I'd like to dictate that into something, maybe with voice recognition. There's PDA stuff that will search a database for carb counts, but honestly that's too much of a hassle when eating. I wanna say "Tea, Earl Grey, hot with 1/8 cup 2% milk" and it say back "3g carb" and record it with timedatestamp.

    4)I want to plug my keyfob into my laptop, and print a few tables and graphs for the doc. I'd like to be able to file attach the data (encrypted) and email it to him. (Encrypted HL 7)

    -Simple,small,durable,dependable,accurate,easy to use,expandable,feature rich for those who want/need it...affordable. No problem. :)

  45. I want it all by rglater · · Score: 1

    Type II, diet controlled. I use an Accucheck because that is what the hospital gave me even though the related endo clinic can't read the machines data. dooh! I like charts, graphs, bells and whistles, most don't. So a modular system would be nice, the modules could be hard or software. It should talk to my PDA and my MAC laptop preferably without a cable or have a pull out connector. I want to be able to enter food, exercise and other variables such as having a cold or being on a steroid. Alarms, multiple strips, lower pain testing (I test infrequently because the results are always good and I hate the finger pain so if the levels went bad I would be less likely to know), built in injector. Heck build a module that attaches to the end of my PDA.

  46. Non-invasive testing by jjspieker · · Score: 1

    I am IDDM for about 15 years. I have used mostly some model of Accu-Chek and currently using the Active because the test strips are least expensive. I would like to see a meter that uses light or sound passed through the finger to read glucose levels. Light sensors are already commonly used to measure blood Oxygen levels. Seems like something similar could work for glucose.