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prostoalex (Alex Moskalyuk) writes "Anywhere from 26% to 40% of U.S. employees refer to their work as stressful or very stressful. So it's not too surprising that the business motivation and self-improvement market, which includes books, courses, training seminars, etc. generates $5.7 billion a year. David Allen is the author of Getting Things Done, which on its cover promises the Holy Grail of business management -- stress-free productivity." Read on for the rest of Moskalyuk's review. Getting things done author David Allen pages 288 publisher Penguin rating 9 reviewer Alex Moskalyuk ISBN 0142000280 summary The art of stress-free productivity

Allen's idea is to first look at the sources of stress. Whether you're working a cushy corporate job, are self-employed, or are still in college, what makes you feel frustrated and stressed? Unless you have had some major disasters in life, the answer will probably rotate around having too much to do and too little time to accomplish all the tasks. Moreover, people around you don't seem to realize how pressed for time you are as they keep coming up with every possible way to interrupt you.

Business people like to talk about multi-tasking. It fills one with feeling of self-importance, since it's obvious that if one multi-tasks, then he or she is involved in multiple projects, failure on most of which would probably result in the end of human civilization. But as Allen points out (his site contains a promotional WMV/QuickTime video), multi-tasking requires you to persist a bunch of projects (most of them unfinished) in your head.

If you count the time you spend on each actual project, and the time you spend switching between the projects, you'd be surprised how much time is spent on the overhead of going from one project to another. Basically (although Allen doesn't express it in these terms) we all would like to be Knoppix, with everything kept in RAM (our brains), nothing relegated to the hard drive (paper or information-management software), multi-tasking at its best. But as anyone would tell you, Knoppix can be quite resource-intensive, and you do not exactly get screaming speeds with it. We're all wired up like early DOS - single-tasking with everything else assigned to external storage, best at doing one thing at a time, if we're to do it well.

Allen develops a system to deal with projects and everyday interruptions accompanying them. Does the issue that came up require less than 2-3 minutes to respond to? Is it returning a call to confirm the dental appointment or e-mail to another developer saying you agree with his suggestion and would approve of it? If it takes you less than 2-3 minutes, do it right away. Do not file it under "Later," do not postpone it until lunch, because your brain keeps track of this stuff, and this unfinished while loop will be running in your brain, even if consciously you do not think about it every minute. In other words, keep the RAM clean.

Allen advocates the 3-D model, where the Ds stand for "Do it," "Delegate it," "Defer it" and advises all projects and small tasks to be processed in that order. The "Do it" part was described above for the tasks that take just a few minutes. The author promises you'd be surprised how much can be achieved by following this simple rule. At the same time, if the project just requires your approval, and you'd pass it to someone else after that, delegate it. But get it off your mind right away, because it's not yours and thus cannot occupy the precious RAM space. Delegate it -- send the e-mail, fax it away, or transfer it to another person in your organization. And if it's definitely a long task and it needs to be done by you, then defer it to the time slot when you're sure you can sit down and do it (by the time you get rid of all the doable and delegable, you will find yourself with plenty of time left to important projects).

Allen is pretty good at pointing out the various excuses that we come up with to excuse our lack of productivity. The rules sound simple, even simplistic, but that's the key to the efficiency of his system. I liked the author's approach, and adhering to his system seemed to bring a relaxed attitude into my daily schedule, since now I don't have a guilt trip over concentrating on a single task and refusing to multi-task. You can read an interview with an author at About.com. There's also an article about the methodology in Fast Company magazine with descriptive title You can do anything - but not everything. I would recommend this book to anyone who feels stress after work or someone who feels they are not at the top of their productivity and spend too much time doing inessential things.

In his spare time Alex enjoys reading business and technology books. He also keeps a list of free books for readers on a tight budget. You can purchase Getting Things Done from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, carefully read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

216 comments

  1. Gotta say it... by Samrobb · · Score: 1, Funny

    First post!

    Man, that was stressful. Now if only there was some way to decrease other stressors in my life, like work...

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    1. Re:Gotta say it... by stupidfoo · · Score: 3, Funny
      Was it as stressful as using Word 97 to create your website?
      <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="Microsoft Word 97">
      <TITLE>NIOSH/Stress at Work</TITLE>
      <META NAME="Version" CONTENT="8.0.3410">
      <META NAME="Date" CONTENT="5-23-00">
      <META NAME="Template" CONTENT="C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\HTML.DOT">
    2. Re:Gotta say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I bet it was pretty straightforward.
      There's a Wizard popup menu, then Clippy asks you to confir....

      [Checks the Post Anonymous checkbox]

    3. Re:Gotta say it... by xp · · Score: 1

      Instead of getting things done, read this to understand the pointlessness of work and the nobility of idleness.
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    4. Re:Gotta say it... by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      What? You expect us to work through a whopping 915 words to understand the pointlessness of work? You don't understand the pointlessness of work!

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  2. What i'd need... by daniil · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is a book about how to get things started. After that, getting them done is easy.

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    1. Re:What i'd need... by ObligatoryUserName · · Score: 5, Informative

      What i'd need... ...is a book about how to get things started.

      You mean like Guy Kawasaki's book, The Art Of The Start: The Time-Tested, Battle-Hardened Guide For Anyone Starting Anything?

      Now you have no excuses.

    2. Re:What i'd need... by CaptMonkeyDLuffy · · Score: 1

      Nope, he still has one small problem.

      How to start reading the book in the first place.

    3. Re:What i'd need... by Taladar · · Score: 1

      The parent is modded funny but should be modded insightful. After all not getting things started is the main reason for letting things slip until the deadline is near and finishing them with lots of stress instead of using the whole time.

    4. Re:What i'd need... by mutterc · · Score: 1

      I unfortunately have the opposite problem; start many things, most I either don't get time to finish (which this book might help), or forget about completely and never come back to (which this book would not help).

    5. Re:What i'd need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that because it's one small problem, it doesn't make a very good excuse.

      If you can't bring yourself to read 1 book, you really are pathetic.

    6. Re:What i'd need... by canofbutter · · Score: 1

      Getting started on projects is easy, the motivation drops when for month after month management pulls you off of various projects when something less interesting comes up just to outsource most of the development... The real cause of stress (at least at my job) is never being allowed to finish what I start and seeing my work taken from me, finished by a third party, only to see if come back destroyed.

    7. Re:What i'd need... by sdcharle · · Score: 1

      He also wrote 'How to drive your competition crazy' when he was at Apple in the early 90's, but in the early 90's I don't recall Apple driving anybody crazy except maybe their shareholders.

    8. Re:What i'd need... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It's a fair point. I've had the book in question for about a month now but haven't gotten to it.

      What motivates people to put off starting projects?

      Oh, right, Slashdot.

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    9. Re:What i'd need... by randallpowell · · Score: 1
      If you can't bring yourself to read 1 book, you really are pathetic.

      Poor Shrub...

  3. Harsh Review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Seems like a pretty callous review for a book, a web page that just says "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."

  4. Well worth the read... by danielrm26 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This book is absolutely awesome. I haven't even finished it yet (procrastination), but I have already implemented a few nuggets I've picked up, with great results. I strongly suggest this text for anyone who feels they have time management issues.

    Also, here's a nifty diagram related to the system that will make sense once you read the book.

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    1. Re:Well worth the read... by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's strange, my process more closely follows this flowchart!!!

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    2. Re:Well worth the read... by killjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Like most business books this book suffers from unneeded verboseness. The ideas are simple and could fit in a book quarter the size and yet he keeps constantly repeating himself hoping to fill more pages.

      Honestly you can reduce this book to someting like 10 pages.

      BTW for most people the problem is not organizing things it actually doing them. When faced with your daily mountain of mindless, repetitive, do nothing, corporate bullshit work it's hard to get yourself motivated to anything. Instead you could organize all that work get a feeling of accomplishment.

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    3. Re:Well worth the read... by Excelsior · · Score: 1

      This book is absolutely awesome. I haven't even finished it yet (procrastination)
      When the book we are talking about is "Getting Things Done", the irony of this statement is amazing. At least you enjoyed the book (which I agree is an excellent book), even if it isn't working for you.

    4. Re:Well worth the read... by C.Batt · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why (at the time of my writing this comment) this is modded as funny. Perhaps funny in a "haha, like putting my eyes out with a fork" really sad kind of funny.

      I'd think it's more insightful than anything. Getting Things Done has no magical recipe for actually Getting Things Done. A more appropriate title might be Getting Things Organized, or Keeping Your Shit Together. While not a bad book, it doesn't offer any breakthrough advice on actually motivating yourself to get things done.

      In fact, I found that the more I read it, the more I obsessed about Getting Things Organized RIGHT. I wasn't even getting organized, just busy trying to figure out how to get organized in the best way possible.

      Anyhow, something that I came to realize over the past year where I've been stumbling from one corporate bullshit assignment to the next: It's simply all about giving a shit.

      When I actually give a shit about the project, I don't have any trouble getting things done. I'll work 18 hours a day for as long as it takes, or until I stop giving a shit. I don't feel the stress, and I'm happy to be alive... when I believe, when I feel that what I do actually has some relevance and isn't just a make work project.

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    5. Re:Well worth the read... by miu · · Score: 1
      I think it is '+1 Funny:ironic'. The phrases 'unneeded verboseness', 'could fit in ... quarter the size', and 'constantly repeating himself hoping to fill more pages' are either sublime and understated irony or his genuine way of expressing displeasure with verbosity and hence unintentionally funny.

      Whichever is the truth the moderation is apt :)

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    6. Re:Well worth the read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The book is awesome but you still procrastinate. WTF!? Not exactly a ringing endorsement, man.

    7. Re:Well worth the read... by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      When faced with your daily mountain of mindless, repetitive, do nothing, corporate bullshit work it's hard to get yourself motivated to anything.

      Maybe you're in the wrong work environment for your skills / aptitude.

    8. Re:Well worth the read... by killjoe · · Score: 1

      "Maybe you're in the wrong work environment for your skills / aptitude."

      Probably but then again I have to put food on the table and it pays well.

      I guess that's why they call it work.

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    9. Re:Well worth the read... by PatientZero · · Score: 1
      Are you surprised that the major deciding factor in you getting stuff done is being motivated (giving a shit), and that you were looking for a more motivational book? The book can't address every person's challenges, but being organized and making the quick one-minute decision of "is this a do now or delegate task?" is a big challenge for many people.
      In fact, I found that the more I read it, the more I obsessed about Getting Things Organized RIGHT.

      It sounds like you and I share the perfectionist bent. Sometimes I'll catch myself micro-organizing files or emails or code, and more often than not it turns out I'm avoiding a task I'm just not motivated to do. Find a book with good tips on motivating yourself.

      One trick I learned from a friend for helping discipline yourself with keeping agreements is to put a "consequence" on not keeping the agreement apart from the actual consequences the agreement itself holds (like losing your house if you don't make the payments). Instead, creaet a harmless yet unpleasant task you'll have to do.

      Said friend upon breaking an agreement will do the following. When she gets to a signal that has just turned red for her (plenty of time before green), she gets out of her car and dances around it singing randomly. I've seen her do this, and it's amazing the number of shades of red a person can turn in the span of two minutes. :) Needless to say, it's helped her a lot, and she hasn't had to do that in quite some time.

      To bring it back around, perhaps with a little inventiveness you can create your own motivation ... at least enough to go look for a motivational book. :P

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    10. Re:Well worth the read... by alienmole · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's ironic at all to talk about one's procrastination while reading a book about getting things done, except perhaps in the Alanis Morissette school of irony. Reading a book like this doesn't instantly fix one's life habits - it's not a binary switch between procrastination and perfection. But a book like this can give you tools which can help, if you work to change your habits and apply the ideas. That doesn't happen instantly. In fact, believing in quick fixes for this sort of thing are usually a sure route to failure. For many people, procrastination to a problematic degree is a lifelong challenge, which experience seems to indicate can at best be mitigated, not "cured", and the experience of the OP are fairly typical and expected ones in that context (and therefore not ironic).

    11. Re:Well worth the read... by alienmole · · Score: 1
      While not a bad book, it doesn't offer any breakthrough advice on actually motivating yourself to get things done.
      There are many factors that can inhibit one from getting things done, and the book does address at least one of them which I've experienced: the sense of being overwhelmed by an impossibly long list of things you have to do. The book offers a decent solution in this area: keeping everything in an external source, prioritizing, and clearing your mind so that when you're working on any given task, you're not distracted by concerns about all the other tasks you could be working on. This can be quite useful for getting things done. But the author more or less takes motivation for granted - obviously, if you're not motivated to do any of the tasks you need to do, you do need to address that first.
  5. Quick rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When you see stats that vary over 50% (for example 26% - 40%) you should pay them no heed.

    And that linked web page... man, who at the gov is still using Frontpage '97 to make web pages?

    1. Re:Quick rule of thumb by drunken+dash · · Score: 1

      How does 26% - 40% vary over 50%? It looks more like 14% variance to me...

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    2. Re:Quick rule of thumb by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

      He missed a comma and some parentheses, that was a list, not a range.

      Ie; (26%, -40%)

      A whopping 66% variance!

      I dunno. Either that or he's using the new math.

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    3. Re:Quick rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50% of 26% is 13%

      26% + 13% = 49%, so the variance from 26% to 40% is greater than 50%.

      See how that works? Go back to school you drunk!

    4. Re:Quick rule of thumb by TrippTDF · · Score: 1

      The .gov link, according to the text at the bottom, was updated last in 1999.

      I'm willing to bet that since then, multi-tasking has taken on a whole new meaning.

    5. Re:Quick rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL! No, no, no... That's not Frontpage '97 they used to make that webpage. No sir! That is the work of Microsof Word '97! LOL

    6. Re:Quick rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you guys have to make fun of me. Man this site is mean. I'm leaving

    7. Re:Quick rule of thumb by drunken+dash · · Score: 1

      hmmm.... last time i checked, 26% + 13% was 39% i didnt realize he meant statistical variance (if that is indeed what he meant), i just looked at the difference :P

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  6. Git-R-Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Larry the Cable Guy

  7. Uh the 3-d model? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

    Do it now, give it someone else, or do it later. This is insight? People need a book to learn this?

    1. Re:Uh the 3-d model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. They do.

  8. Irony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's reviews like this one, a review of Getting Things Done, that make me proud whenever I read Slashdot from work all day...

    1. Re:Irony? by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      It's reviews like this one on /. that I bookmark to bring up whenever my boss asks why the server logs show me spending so much time on /. Of course, the other excuse is that I loaded it and left it in the background while doing other work...

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  9. Who Moved My Cheese? by Tackhead · · Score: 0
    > Anywhere from 26% to 40% of U.S. employees refer to their work as stressful or very stressful. So it's not too surprising that the business motivation and self-improvement market, which includes books, courses, training seminars, etc. generates $5.7 billion a year.

    I'd be stressed out too, if I were spending $5.7B a year trying to do more or better work.

    Thank God there's Slashdot.

    (I only cut the cheese. Don't ask me why CmdrTaco wanted to move it.)

  10. Work versus play by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We currently have a 40 hour work-week. If we cut 10 hours from it, get paid the same salary, we'd have more time for recreation and family. That would sure relieve stress. It would also decrease unemployment since employers would need to hire more workers.

    1. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same salary while more workers are employed? That's a revolution, but where do you think your boss will find the money for these new employees?

    2. Re:Work versus play by fitten · · Score: 1

      ...but you'd live in France.

    3. Re:Work versus play by kzinti · · Score: 1

      To live in France you'd also need four to six weeks off starting in August.

    4. Re:Work versus play by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

      This was the solution of some leftist socialist Christian political party (I know, it's strange)

      When asked about their solution to unemployment their Presidential candidate said that companies should just hire more employees.

      What was the name of the party... it was like "American Christian Party" or something.

    5. Re:Work versus play by slashrogue · · Score: 1

      What makes you possibly think that would work if everyone would "get paid the same salary"? Businesses would have to conjure up fresh money for new hires (which can be a lot with training costs, insurance, etc.) and wouldn't get anything in return except the same amount of work as when they weren't paying as many people.

    6. Re:Work versus play by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, we could do that.

      We could give you a 33% pay increase. For no reason other than you'd like more time to play.

      Or, we could give your job to someone less lazy.

      What a bunch of whiners people are these days. Shit, your grandfather probably could only dream of a 40 hour work week.

      I find my time at work much more rewarding than sitting on the couch watching daytime TV. I get to accomplish something, I get respect from my peers, I get to spend the day discussing things I find interesting with like-minded people.

      Is it stressful having to design, code, install, and support software for police and fire stations? Fuck, yeah. When my pager goes off at 2AM because some dispatching workstation froze in the middle of a natural disaster, and lives could literally be on the line, that's some fucking stress, let me tell you. But I wouldn't have it any other way.

      McDonalds can provide you the 30 hour work week you want so bad. Some of us actually like working, even if we don't necessarily like our jobs.

      We're indoctrinated with work=hard=stress=bad, play=fun=relaxing=good since we're kids. It's not cool to study hard in school, it's cool to smoke and drink beers out back behind the football field. I'm living proof you can do both.

      Want to relieve stress? Just log in to slashdot, politely remind people there that only a fucking moron would spend 500 dollars on an mp3 player, even if it does fit nicely in your anal cavity. Read the replies. Instant stress relief.

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    7. Re:Work versus play by catch23 · · Score: 0

      What makes you think everyone gets to work 40 hours a week anyway? My boss probably gets to work 40 hours no more, but most of his subordinates (like myself) are required to work as long as the job gets done, and usually this is more than 40 hours a week. It would be really nice to only be able to work 40 hours a week. EA Games isn't the only place where developers are used. I could quit and find a new job, but then I'd probably find more of the same.

    8. Re:Work versus play by TheNextBigThing · · Score: 0

      And we'd have more time to spend money. I think your on to something here. Go capitalism.

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    9. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would not reduce stress. That would mean we have 40 hours worth of work to complete in 30 hours of time. What you suggest would increase stress on the job not decrease it. If you think employers will hire more workers you are either a college student or delusional.

    10. Re:Work versus play by dark_requiem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's a little unreasonable. Companies don't have unlimited funds for labor costs. The only way it would be economically feasible to pay the same for less work is if that work was more productive, i.e. you do the same work in 30 hours that was previously done in 40. If each employee did less work per week, the company would have to hire more workers to achieve the same level of productivity, and if they paid you the same as if you had done the full 40 hours worth of work, they would have to hire 25% more workers. However, that would also increase their labor costs by 25%. The only way it is feasible for your employer to cut your hours by 25%, pay you the same, and not have to dramatically increase their labor costs, is if you can increase your productivity by 25%.

    11. Re:Work versus play by Tobias+Luetke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I work a 100 hour week easily and i'm very motivated and productive. Its all about the job and how much you know about how to motivate yourself.

      For me its all about comfort while working. I treat myself to a powerful mac and a 23" screen while I program in a language I compleatly adore (ruby).

      Productivity problems are the results of disagreement with your work environment. If the environment is inspiring you can stand it for much much longer than 30 or 40 hours.

    12. Re:Work versus play by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Been there done that. The Dutch government encouraged a 32-hour week a few decades ago, and these days I know very few people who are not on a 32-hour week (excepting myself and most others in the IT industry; we still do 40 hours). It hasn't generated any extra work, we currently have a rather high unemployment ratio compared to the rest of Europe, and that's not even counting the people on Workman's Comp, (almost 1 million on a 16 million population! And no, most of these people aren't sick)

      The idea was indeed for employers to hire extra people, but they haven't done so. I suppose that they just made everyone do the same amount of work, in 32 hours or with some extra unpaid overtime if need be. This generates more stress, not less, I think.

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    13. Re:Work versus play by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1
      More wisdom from the simple-solutions department:

      If the "40 hour" week was cut by ten hours, the typical American office worker would still be working 50 hours, plus spending 10 hours commuting.

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    14. Re:Work versus play by jason.c.brewer · · Score: 1

      Actually, to fit 40 hours worth of work into 30 hours you'd have to increase productivity 33%.

    15. Re:Work versus play by snooo53 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There are a couple things I think some companies are doing right. One is the concept of a 9/80 schedule, in which you work 80 hours total every 2 weeks, but only 9 of the 10 normal days. So you work 9 hours M-Th, and only work every other Friday. I have done that and liked it. If you go to work at 7 and leave at 4 you not only avoid major traffic and unless you live way up north, you'll probably be getting home when it's still light out, even in the winter.

      The thing I think works even better is having core hours that employees must be there... say from 9 to 3, and then anything before or after that is up to the employee to decide. That way, meetings can take place when everyone is there, and one only needs to come in early or late if they need extra time to do whatever they need. If you can get done with everything in that block of time, well there's your 30 hour workweek. I have also worked a job like that and loved it.

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    16. Re:Work versus play by mutterc · · Score: 1

      Actually (in the software industry), returning to a 40-hour work week would carry much of the same benefits.

    17. Re:Work versus play by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All you would do is increase payroll (and associated) expenses by 25%. Twenty five percent! That money has to come from somewhere. Since sales aren't increasing by 25% either, it's got to come from the operating budget, research and development, cutting back on janitorial services, denying that erognomic chair you requested for your bad back last week, replacing the soft toilet paper in the stalls with that stuff that gives you butt splinters, etc, etc.

      Or they'll just go bankrupt because their margins got fucked, or they'll move operations out of the country. In either case you will be unemployed and blaming your misfortune on someone else.

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    18. Re:Work versus play by love2hateMS · · Score: 1

      Funny, France tried this. Now their economy has collapsed, and their own labor unions are asking for MORE WORK HOURS again.

      Yep, I'm not kidding.

    19. Re:Work versus play by Da+VinMan · · Score: 1

      If you're spending 100 hours/week working with Ruby, you'd better have feature points coming out of your ears! :+)

      Anything you can say about the project? It sounds cool. Just curious.

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    20. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. He said butt splinters.

    21. Re:Work versus play by sdcharle · · Score: 1
      It's not cool to study hard in school, it's cool to smoke and drink beers out back behind the football field. I'm living proof you can do both.

      You mean both smoke AND drink beers? Woah, look at you!

    22. Re:Work versus play by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
      We currently have a 40 hour work-week. If we cut 10 hours from it, get paid the same salary, we'd have more time for recreation and family.

      You'd have more time for recreation and family even if you didn't get paid the same salary. But we Americans are willing to trade those things for bigger houses, SUVs, toys, and 24/7 entertainment, because that's how we define "quality of life". If we were offered a 30-hour week for the same money, we'd just be thinking about all of the extra stuff we could have if we worked 40 (or 50) hours anyway.

      Back in the 60s someone said that if Lyndon Johnson had asked for our cars instead of our sons, we'd never have gone to war in Vietnam. It's still the same today.

    23. Re:Work versus play by coopaq · · Score: 1
      Some of us actually like working, even if we don't necessarily like our jobs.

      I find that most people who spend a lot of time at work are unhappy in other areas of their lives.

      e.g. No HAPPY marriage, no hobbies, terrified of looking bad for the company.

      In America seems a lot of people use work as a substitute for a life. Or lets say... they define themselves through their work (position, salary,etc).

      This lifestyle works for some people. For others surrounded by people like this it causes stress.

      Most people burn out after a certain number of hours a day and are not very productive. There have been studies, but I wont make up statistics on the spot.

    24. Re:Work versus play by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      There have been studies, but I wont make up statistics on the spot.

      You have a suspiciously low ID for someone who is obviously so new here...

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    25. Re:Work versus play by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1

      Point of order: You'd actully need 33% more workers. 3/4 the output per workers means you need 4/3 as many of 'em.

      Yeah, math's a bitch like that.

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    26. Re:Work versus play by ppp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a little unreasonable. Companies don't have unlimited funds for labor costs. The only way it would be economically feasible to pay the same for less work is if that work was more productive, i.e. you do the same work in 30 hours that was previously done in 40.

      Actually, I'm pretty sure that if & when a company's senior management DOES find a way to get the same amount of work done with fewer manhours, they will just cut the staff proportionally and give themselves a nice fat raise. Just look at the dramatically increasing ratio of CEO salaries to average employee salaries.

      The Beauty of Modern Capitalism. Yes, I know, all the other systems suck more.

      -G

    27. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we cut 10 hours from it, get paid the same salary, we'd have more time for recreation and family. That would sure relieve stress. It would also decrease unemployment since employers would need to hire more workers.

      Why stop at 10? Take it up to 30. Why not cut it to 50 hours a week, then I could have someone else working for my extra 10 hours.

      I don't think you have a handle on how wealth is created. It isn't by taking a pie and then saying everyone else gets a smaller cut but then more people have food. Its about freeing up resources so people can work as much or as little as they want to get rewards.

      Mandating hours per week is silly and wasteful, and is the first sign of a sloppy economist that recommends it. By that I mean its easy to see the "known" outcome: employers might hire more people. But what seperates the great economists from the one at the local bar is seeing the unseen. Why didn't that company expand to another store? Why aren't they investing in a new car? Where did their future potential for growth go?

    28. Re:Work versus play by ppp · · Score: 1

      Funny, France tried this. Now their economy has collapsed, and their own labor unions are asking for MORE WORK HOURS again.

      The French economy has COLLAPSED, eh? That's interesting, because when I Google "France", "Economy" and "Collapse", I get mostly hits about the collapse of the U.S. Dollar and potential collapse of the U.S. Economy! (Jon Stewart Voice: "Damn You Google! Damn You!")

      -G
      www.g.pix.com

    29. Re:Work versus play by dark_requiem · · Score: 1

      That depends whether or not the company execs think they can sell more of their products/services than they currently do. If increasing output would flood the market and increase supply too much in relation to demand, thus lowering their bottom line, then there is no sense in increasing output, and it would make sense to cut man hours. If, on the other hand, there is sufficiently strong demand for their product/service, they could devote that extra productivity to putting out additional units in the same time, again increasing their bottom line.

      And not to nitpick over terminology, but "Modern Capitalism" is an oxymoron. The modern world has no economic system approaching capitalism. In fact, many nations (such as the US) are tending to shy away from capitalism more and more, in favor of socialist-style government regulation. In fact, a truly free-market capitalist economy has never, to my knowledge, existed.

    30. Re:Work versus play by sql*kitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would also decrease unemployment since employers would need to hire more workers.

      They tried this in France, and it was a dismal failure. Sure it might work for unskilled labour where everyone is interchangeable. But when all your doctors have done their 35 hour weeks, your unemployed bricklayers can't pick up the rest of the work. And when your doctors can't work, because they've hit their 35 hour cap and there are no more doctors because doctors a) are the cream of the crop intellectually speaking and b) take 7 years to train anyway, your nurses have to stop too, and with no doctors and no nurses your semi- and un-skilled workers like receptionists, porters, janitors have nothing to do either because the entire damn hospital is closed! Meanwhile, the doctors are cooling their heels, unable to treat patients, because the government won't let them, and if you're a patient, you're screwed!

      So, basically, it's not only a dumb idea, it's a dumb idea that's been tried and has failed in the real world.

    31. Re:Work versus play by Java+Ape · · Score: 1
      Since the employer is unlikely to spontaneously spring for the big raise, just be a really good nerd, and automate everything you possibly can.

      When I started at my current job it was a meat-grinder. Maintain a hoard of databases on different platforms, with a herd of whiney users, using outdated tools. Nothing was automated, I was frantic from morning till evening just trying to fend off disaster. However, a few years later there's layers of neat scripts doing all the leg work, compiling all the minutia into daily and weekly summaries (with lots of boss-pleasing charts), and I usually know about problems before they happen. Oh, and I have a little bit of time to surf slashdot during the day. Master the box, but don't tell the boss!

    32. Re:Work versus play by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I am at a company where they expect me to work hard for forty a week. not 50 or 60, 40. no weekends.

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    33. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, have you ever been a jobless teenager?
      Remember the stupid shit you were doing?
      That's the kind of shit you'll be doing again if we pay you to work 30 hours a week. Too much time on your hands makes you and your moral lazy

    34. Re:Work versus play by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I love that schedule! man I was at a place thayt did it, not only was stressed reduced, but employed turnover all but stopped.
      I know people who were turnign down 15-20K raises so they could keep those 3 day weekends. Productivity increased.

      The most important rule about the 9/80 workweek:
      never sya write down or imply hom many fridays you will be off. Some people hear that number and they don't cre how much money they save, or productivity increases, they will bring it to an end.

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    35. Re:Work versus play by geekoid · · Score: 1

      well sure, if a company breaks the law and makes people work the same hours, it won't work.

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    36. Re:Work versus play by haystor · · Score: 1

      Not really, you could still get the same 8 hours of real work done in that same time.

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    37. Re:Work versus play by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 1

      Nice one. You live to work or work to live?

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    38. Re:Work versus play by version5 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The only way it would be economically feasible to pay the same for less work is if that work was more productive, i.e. you do the same work in 30 hours that was previously done in 40.

      This applies to manual labor like assembly line work, but is not very useful for knowledge workers. For one thing, you are assuming that a 25% decrease in time on the job produces an equivalent decrease in output. While this is true at a steel mill, this is clearly not the case at companies like Google, who encourage their workers to spend 12.5% of their time on personal projects. This is not just a perk, they aren't just saying "Work for us for 4 days, get the 5th day free!" Its more like a maintenance schedule for equipment - rotating a fleet of vehicles to make sure they get proper care and regular tune-ups is far more profitable than driving them everyday until they break, and when human brains are your primary business tools, the same guidelines apply but with the added benefit that regular maintenance of the brain consistently upgrades its usefulness.

      Despite the recent focus that knowledge workers have received, I'm convinced that companies are still stuck in old ways of managing them, leading to inefficiencies in the economy.

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    39. Re:Work versus play by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      ...I get respect from my peers...

      If that is a major factor for doing what you do I suggest that seeking peer approval is much less important than making sure that you adhere to principles, ethics and morals in your business dealings.

    40. Re:Work versus play by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      The key question is: how do you objectively measure the "productivity" of a white collar worker?

    41. Re:Work versus play by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Both.

      Why do Americans have to equate work with something bad?

      Why is sitting on your ass watching daytime TV and shoving bon bons in your face so coveted? Or sitting playing video games all day?

      I like to relax as much as anyone else, I like to play games, but I just couldnt spend day after day doing absolutely nothing useful.

      I like feeling like I've accomplished something with my day. I like the stress, it's excitement. It gets my blood racing. I like the reward. I like getting a 12% raise, and being the only person in the company who got a raise this year.

      And why's it flaimbait/troll to not be a lazy fuck who constantly cries about how hard it is to work 40 hours a week?

      Whatever, obviously slashdot is going to have a very high percentage of slackers.

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    42. Re:Work versus play by schmaltz · · Score: 1

      my pager goes off at 2AM because some dispatching workstation froze

      I hear yah, man. Yeah, see, there's the stress caused by not liking your current employment, then there's the stress induced by being an incompetent programmer, bringing 911 down because your memory management code sucks and you're wrote your app for Windows!

      But hey! The flip-side is you don't got no stress, because you like work! And work you will, debugging your code remotely, during a crisis, over the phone, through a non-technical user, people dying all the while - yup, that's just icing on the cake, because ya love to work!! (until they can your ass for fucking up dispatch!) I'm down with that, brotha - here's to ya!

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    43. Re:Work versus play by (nil) · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why do Americans have to equate work with something bad? Why is sitting on your ass watching daytime TV and shoving bon bons in your face so coveted? Or sitting playing video games all day?

      If I'm not working at work, I sure as hell aren't going to be watching TV or eating bonbons. I'm going to be spending time with friends and family, which are more important. Strangely enough, many more "successful" people realize this, too. How many executives are genuinely good at dealing with people? Most of them, as far as I can tell. People will always be more important than technology.

    44. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You suppose that purposely misunderstanding the parent comment can be construed as valuable?
      If you understand the intended meaning, please accept it. Ambiguity is an asset to human communication, so please repect it.

    45. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amount of time at work that they're not reading Slashdot would be a good baseline.

    46. Re:Work versus play by LibrePensador · · Score: 1

      Complete absolute bullshit.

      If you knew anything about France or Spain is that there is an overabundance of lawyers and doctors, due to the fact that college is incredibly affordable.

      Additionally, by every standards, the 35-work hour was an absolute success.

      Productivity was maintained nation wide, more people were employed, and job satisfaction increased.

      How or why this was moderated as insightful! Maybe some people do not want to accept that the 40-hour work week is unnecessary in the industrial world today.

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    47. Re:Work versus play by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Getting paid by the task is another great idea. Where an employer gives a project to do, and you get paid when it is done, no matter how long it takes. That also gives an incentive to figure out a way to get it done faster, without cutting quality.

    48. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I like feeling like I've accomplished something with my day. I like the stress, it's excitement. It gets my blood racing. I like the reward. I like getting a 12% raise, and being the only person in the company who got a raise this year.

      Okay, so youre a class-A asshole. we get the point. Geez.

    49. Re:Work versus play by Tobias+Luetke · · Score: 1

      Sure, i'm working on my snowboard shop which is going live any minute now on www.snowdevil.ca and the software powering it will go up for resale later this year.
      Apart from this i'm working on several open source tools like www.hieraki.org.

      I use the amazing web framework called rubyonrails. I urge you to check it out, i consider it he biggest leap ahead in the software industry since I have witnessed so far.

    50. Re:Work versus play by Spoing · · Score: 1
      Do you take any days off? If not, 10 hours/day is possible (70 hours/week), 12 is a pain, at 14 not much else can be done, and 16 nothing else can be done. You're claiming to work an average of over 14 hours/day, 7 days a week. If you take a day or two off each week, your per-day load goes up quite a bit if you really hit that 100+ hours/week limit.

      I've worked 16 hour days for some projects -- just under 2 hours more than you claim per day -- and I barely had enough time to woof down food, shower, hit the hotel, and sleep. In many cases, I've snuck away and slept 1/2 an hour here and there just to keep from really making bad decisions or really screwing up the project just because I can't think anymore. Special nutrition is necessary -- including vitimin coctails -- to keep from completely wrecking your health if you keep up at that pace. Sure, the first week is OK...the second is possible...the weeks that follow are much less productive.

      16 hour work days can last for about a month if you are on a tight schedule, forget everything else, and don't have to travel much to get to the job. The extra 1.8 hours you say you are getting isn't enough to even keep up with basic socializing...let alone posting on /. or paying your bills. If you work out of your house to avoid the overhead of travel, you probably have to order in for food, have someone else tend to you, or eat food from a machine, otherwise you will starve. There's not enough time to leisurely sit down and eat at the 16 hour mark.

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    51. Re:Work versus play by dark_requiem · · Score: 1

      I would say that depends largely on the particular industry, as well as on the specific parameters of the project.

    52. Re:Work versus play by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      Productivity was maintained nation wide, more people were employed, and job satisfaction increased.

      Then why is unemployment hovering between 10-15% in France, and 2-3% in the UK where we don't have such silly rules.

      If you knew anything about France

      Yes, I've lived and worked in France. You?

    53. Re:Work versus play by Da+VinMan · · Score: 1

      I did check that out a while back. It looks very nice, but I found myself wondering if it could be used for "real work". By that I mean the sorts of hideously feature rich corporate intranet applications that I typically work on. It seemed like it would be a nice start, but more complex features seemed like they would require a chunk more of work on the rails framework.

      Anyway, I hope Ruby On Rails (and frameworks like it) become such obvious no-brainers that there will be no good excuse to use things like ASP.NET and JSP in the future. I know there is hope! My last project was a Java web application (one of those hideously complex intranet ones) and I managed to get us to use the Jakarta Tapestry framework for the UI layer. The OSS world keeps on getting better and better.

      Anyway, best of luck on your snowboard shop!

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    54. Re:Work versus play by LoveTruthBeauty · · Score: 1
      There's nothing wrong with hard work, but there is nothing right about stress.

      Stress has been shown to be implicated in all kinds of disease and clearly leads to an early death. If that doesn't send a clear message that stress is bad, I don't know what would.

      You might find work more rewarding than daytime TV, but its a big world out there, and daytime TV isn't the only alternative. If you didn't put most of your energy into your 9-5, or 9am-2am, there's plenty of constructive ways you can spend your energy supporting your family, friends, community, country, planet.

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    55. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Witness the cotton gin, the production line, etc.

    56. Re:Work versus play by love2hateMS · · Score: 1

      Nice try. Go compare unemployment in Europe to unemployment in the U.S.

    57. Re:Work versus play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get bent, lame-o. Ambiguity is an asset if you're trying to weasel out of a contract maybe.

  11. Forget this book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just read slashdot whenever you feel a bout of stress coming on. For me, that's why I'm here 24/7. No time for stress at all!

  12. This book... by drfrog · · Score: 1

    has really helped me organize myself, and reduce my stress level

    it was actually b/c of an earlier slashdot article on said book that prompted me to get it too :)

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  13. Push and Pull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the bottom line is that management wants to get as much work out of its workers as possible. So if we increase our efficiency, they'll just pile more work on until we're stressed again.

    The real problem isn't inefficiency so much as the weak bargaining power of labor.

    All right, everyone together:
    "when the union's inspiration through the coders' blood shall run..."

    1. Re:Push and Pull by TheNextBigThing · · Score: 0

      This is why it is important to be as inefficient as possible while at the same time making your boss think your some sort of hero.
      Its a delicate balance.

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    2. Re:Push and Pull by mutterc · · Score: 1
      I have pointed this out to management before. One exchange has went:

      Mgr: We don't care how many hours you work, as long as you get the work done.
      Me: Bullshit. If I got everything done in 40 hours / week, you'd simply assign me more things until I had to work unpaid overtime to complete them.

      So far, my strategy has been to work 40 hours a week, and not everything gets done. I've yet to get fired for it... my job's going to India anyway, it's only a matter of time, why bust my butt when at best it might keep me employed for a few months longer?

    3. Re:Push and Pull by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      We had a principle in a company like that at a place I had the misfortune to work at. He'd cause disasters and promise insane things to customers, and then trumpet how great he was when he came riding in like the Lone Ranger to fix his screw-ups.

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    4. Re:Push and Pull by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      It's called rate-busting. You're working in a factory, and your quota is 100 doohickeys per hour. Then some new guy hires in, and wanting to impress management he busts his butt, sweating out 150 an hour. He doesn't understand why his mates are giving him a hard time; he's just trying to be the best that he can be, even if it isn't sustainable. But sure enough, on Monday morning everyone finds out that 150 is the new minimum!

  14. Blah blah blah by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    26%-90% find taking a shit to be stressful.

    Hell, you whiney wimps constantly complain about how stressed out you get clicking "update" under Windows a couple times a month. OOOooooh the hard life of a sysadmin.

    Whine. Whine. Whine.

    There is no magic bullet. Learn to deal with it. Careers are by their very definition stressful. If you don't feel at least a little stress, you aren't working hard enough. Like the wisdom goes: Work hard, play hard.

    If you really want a stress-free work environment, repeat after me: "Would you like to Super Size that for just 49 cents more?"

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    1. Re:Blah blah blah by savagedome · · Score: 1

      I think Bomb Diffusing Squad might be a little more stressful than usual.

    2. Re:Blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      READ THIS BULLSHIT:

      OH NOES WE HAVE TO WORK HARD!@#!@ FOR OUR MONEY

      For fuck sakes

      WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

      The Design of Tasks. Heavy workload, infrequent rest breaks, long work hours and shiftwork; hectic and routine tasks that have little inherent meaning, do not utilize workers' skills, and provide little sense of control.

      Example: David works to the point of exhaustion. Theresa is tied to the computer, allowing little room for flexibility, self-initiative, or rest.

      Management Style. Lack of participation by workers in decision- making, poor communication in the organization, lack of family-friendly policies.

      Example: Theresa needs to get the boss's approval for everything, and the company is insensitive to her family needs.

      Interpersonal Relationships. Poor social environment and lack of support or help from coworkers and supervisors.

      Example: Theresa's physical isolation reduces her opportunities to interact with other workers or receive help from them.

      Work Roles. Conflicting or uncertain job expectations, too much responsibility, too many "hats to wear."

      Example: Theresa is often caught in a difficult situation trying to satisfy both the customer's needs and the company's expectations.

    3. Re:Blah blah blah by theGreater · · Score: 4, Informative

      I find find it hard to imagine you have ever personally worked in the fast food industry.

      I did. When I turned 14 I got a job at the local McD's. Later I added Burger King during lunch rush (I'd skip out of class early, run to BK, work, scarf, get to class a tad late).

      Believe me when I say this is the most stressful job I've ever had. Your manager may or may not speak the same language as you. Your customers ditto. When the store owner comes in to bust someone's butt, it ALWAYS rolls downhill.

      Slick greasy floors (no matter how many times you mop them). A constant barrage of noise. Loading and unloading crate after crate of frozen material in the walk-in. 400F grease splattering nearby.

      Your manager knows you're replacable. The customers don't have time to look you in the eye. You'll get yelled at by every 10 year old who forgot to tell you not to put mayo on your burger. YOU know you're in one of the absolute worst dead-end jobs that exist, and you only take it because it's the only one available.

      Try it sometime (for 2 years or so) and then come talk to me about how easy we pimple-faced teens could kick back and enjoy our idyllic lifestyle.

      -theGreater Ranter.

    4. Re:Blah blah blah by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Careers are by their very definition stressful. " no they are not. the become stressful, but they don't have to be.

      "If you don't feel at least a little stress, you aren't working hard enough"

      thats a pile of crap. I work very hard, but I am not stressed becasue my company know I work hard for forty, and then go home. They promote that.

      "Work hard, play hard."

      what the hell does that have to do with stress?
      Digging a ditch is hard, but it's not stressfull.
      No digging a ditch where ytou manager comes in a pestures you every 10 minutes, and that expect you to do it faster then yesterday is stressfull.

      "
      If you really want a stress-free work environment, repeat after me: "Would you like to Super Size that for just 49 cents more?""
      ha..haha..BWAhahahahah.
      That may qualify as the most ignorant statment every to be typed on Slashdot. well done.

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    5. Re:Blah blah blah by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Nope, I worked at BK when I was 14. I know all about it. I know all the different jobs.

      Cashier: People order a hamburger. You push the button with a picture of a hamburger on it. They give you a 5 dollar bill. You push the button with a picture of a 5 dollar bill on it. The machine spits out the correct change. You hand the customer the hamburger. Closest thing to stress here would be when someone would come in and order a "Big Mac".

      Drive Through Cashier: Same as above, but you can usually hide a milkshake in the drive through booth, and have a stool to sit on.

      Expediter: You look at the reciept. It says hamburger. You get a hamburger and put it in a bag.

      Cook (advanced, you had to work 6 months or be 21 or older before you could cook!): You see the word hamburger appear on the screen. You take a patty from the box labelled hamburger, and put it in the hamburger-cooking machine. You then take the patty and put it on a bun, and then move the entire setup to the automatic ketchup dispenser. I guess wrapping the hamburger in foil and putting it under the heatlamps could be pretty stressful.

      Manager: Same as above, but you get a different colored shirt.

      Once a guy took a shit in the urinal. That was about as stressful as the job got, if you consider stifling grins as you watch customers go into the bathroom, and then come back out 5 seconds later, ghost white with their hair standing on end.

      We had a blast listening to the different ways they'd report it too: "ummm it seems as if someone popped a squat in the pisser!" "hey did you know there's a turn in the pee-toilet?" "theres a ummmm... log in the toilet.. No not the sit down toilet, the stand-up one!"

      Seriously, if you think McDonalds/Burger King is stress, just apply for welfare now.

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    6. Re:Blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There is no magic bullet. Learn to deal with it...

      Thats what I thought this whole article was about, dealing with it.

      It doesn't need jackass postings like yours, full of vitriol and contribute nothing but your ranting. I don't know how shit like this gets modded insightful.

    7. Re:Blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... I dont know where you worked, but I find the parent poster to be a bit more accurate. Perhaps you worked in the East Jesus BK where there were no rushes, but the Wendy's I worked in was hell. Managers are always shorting the payroll, meaning that you are doing the job of another person in a far less efficient manner than was designed. You are pushing out 60-100 orders an hour per person, with beeping things going off all around you to tell you every time youre falling behind. As youre running to get the next case of fries to throw into the frier, the floors are greasy, and you are in between either a hot grill, stove, fry bin, or fryers. Stressed out soccer moms are screaming at you because you dont have $SPECIFICTOY, other customers are pissed because they waited so long and give you an attitude, and then the super stressed out soccer mom's take out all their life's frustrations on you because they got the wrong order, or the burger has mayo on it when she didnt request mayo... whatever- they are screaming at you, the manager is pissed off, and the line is growing because you have to spend two minutes talking to her and making her happy while the line is now out the door. You know how many minor burns I got working the grill after having grease splatter all over my arms when turning the burgers?

      Its different than office stress. That is anxietic stress caused by your personal desire to succeed and provide for you yourself or your family. No, most teens don't take their failures at Wendy's home with them- but if they were working to support a family like most office workers I bet they would. But are you honestly telling me that you are sitting there in your office right now saying that if you were given the chance, even at equal pay, that you would want to be working a grill for the rest of your life and would be having it easy?

      I am not sure you really worked at a fast food place. If you did, you worked at the hilton of fast food places. Ive never seen this "automatic ketchup dispenser, this expediter person, hamburger cooking machine, or a requirement to be 21 or even 18 to work the grill. In addition, the drive through person always had several other responsibilities including: keeping main alleyway swept and mopped, keeping freezer's stocked, and toasting buns.

      Given the choice at the same pay, I'll sit in my nice AC'ed office any day and get in the occasional fight w/ my manager. But probably the most important thing I have learned is, is that stress comes from you. Once you realize that its just a job, and that deadline that was missed doesn't really matter all that much in the grand scheme of things, you'll be much more relaxed. And you will also be more focused, happier, and most likely performing better as you are not dwelling on that last F'up.

    8. Re:Blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, kid. You got MY respect!

    9. Re:Blah blah blah by miu · · Score: 1
      Maybe fast food changed since I was a kid, but my experience was almost nothing like yours. Constant rushing about and mindless tedium at the same time, with a bonus helping of the especially malicious politics that seem to develop when the stakes are trivial. I've worked jobs were I was very responsible for millions in revenue, worked the usual death march projects, worked pointless projects, attended many hours of meetings, had to fire people, owned a failing business, particpated in the silliness of office politics and ego stroking, and been chewed out and threatened by some unusual characters - all the standard stresses of business life, but fast food is by far the most awful and stressful job I've held.

      I freely admit that my youth and immaturity made it much worse than it would be to a rational adult, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a stressful and exasperating experience for a 14-15 year old.

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    10. Re:Blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Believe me when I say this is the most stressful job I've ever had.
      Yes. McDonald's is a stressful job.

      Having said that: When you're no longer a teenager, after you've worked a few real jobs, come back and tell me that McDonald's is "the most stressful." It's easy to use superlatives when you've got no experience. But when you work at McDonald's, amidst all that stress, in the back of your mind lingers the realization that your work doesn't matter. It's a freakin' hamburger. When people's lives and/or livelihoods depend directly on the results of your work...you'll gain perspective.

  15. Is this site for real? by stupidfoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What type of definition is this?

    Job stress results when the requirements of the job do not match the capabilities, resources, or needs of the employee.

    In other words it is completely your employers fault, not yours.

    That whole page is an absolute bunch of garbage. F'en OSHA

    1. Re:Is this site for real? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "In other words it is completely your employers fault, not yours."

      You do relize it is about workplace strees, right?
      how does a worker create there own stress?

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Is this site for real? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      In other words it is completely your employers fault, not yours.
      No, that's not what it says. As another poster said, you can put up with a lot of pressure and long days if you genuinely like your work. In contrast, if you hate your job, the smallest tasks like picking up a ringing phone can become a chore.

      If a job exceeds your capabilities, ask for help. I'm still surprised at how often people don't do that. If you cannot possibly complete all the tasks handed to you in the time you have, tell your manager (or try the methods in this book to see if you can get more done in the same amount of time). If you dislike the job, find something better within the company (our even outside it). All of this takes two things: an employee who is honest and realistic about his capabilities, and a manager who understands that the points in the quoted definition are key to employee satisfaction, and thus to production also.
      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    3. Re:Is this site for real? by dr_canak · · Score: 1

      "If a job exceeds your capabilities, ask for help. I'm still surprised at how often people don't do that"

      People don't do that because its not often in a person's nature to ask for help. Further, it can make the person feel incompentant or incapable, and thus not something they often do. This happens everywhere, not just in the work place. People feel weak if they cannot solve problems on their own.

      "If you cannot possibly complete all the tasks handed to you in the time you have, tell your manager"

      Fine. There's the door. We'll hire someone who can... Many (if not most) workers believe they are expendable and/or easily replaceable. The last thing a worker will do is go to a supervisor and say they can't do the job they've been given. Right or wrong, it's their perception and they act on it.

      "If you dislike the job, find something better within the company (our even outside it)"

      Ever tried unemployment with a family? Not pretty. Forget about income. It's the health insurance (and the potential catastophic consquences if you lack health insurance). Its not like people can just up and quit one day and be working the next. While in an ideal world people could just move around and find jobs they like, that is simply not reality. At least not without very good financial planning.

      just my .02
      jeff

    4. Re:Is this site for real? by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 1

      In other words it is completely your employers fault, not yours.

      Well, the employee is the one who pursued a job that did not match their capabilities, resources, or needs. I've been in stressful jobs where the requirements did not meet my resources (specifically I wasn't 5-6 people). Even if the employer puts the employee in over their head, it is still the employee's choice to stay or go or to request more manageable work.

    5. Re:Is this site for real? by smaughster · · Score: 1

      Workplace stress is always created by the worker. External factors can only cause strain, pressure. Stress however is internal, depending on your own vision of the world, how people ought to treat each other etc.

      --
      I intend to live forever, so far so good.
  16. Hog Bay Notebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have found Hog Bay Notebook (for OS X) to be a great support tool for GTD. If have OS check it out, especially the new 3.5 beta.

  17. Redneck Version by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1, Funny

    Git 'R Done!

    --
    Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
  18. I'm doing network security for the Navy right now by Polarism · · Score: 1

    and I probably do 30 solid minutes of stuff I could call actual WORK for each 12 hour shift.

    They have their priorities so ass-backwards it's sick, lol.

    --
    All your base are belong to Google.
  19. It will never work for some people by ravenspear · · Score: 1

    it's not too surprising that the business motivation and self-improvement market, which includes books, courses, training seminars, etc. generates $5.7 billion a year

    What is rather surprising is just how much of the content in that market is exactly the same. It basically comes down to either "get off your ass and do something worthwhile," or "only by will power and self determination will you ever accomplish anything." Unfortunately there are certain people who will never gain any benefit from reading this stuff because it's simply not what they want to hear. More unfortunate is the evidence I have seen over the last few years that the number of people in this category is on the rise.

    These are the same types of people who are duped by scammers with MAKE $XX,XXX RIGHT NOW!!! type ads. They simply don't have the desire to accomplish anything of lasting importance in life and therefore just devote their full attention to how they are going to get their next paycheck.

    1. Re:It will never work for some people by drooling-dog · · Score: 1


      Isn't there a pill we could take for this?

    2. Re:It will never work for some people by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there are certain people who will never gain any benefit from reading this stuff because it's simply not what they want to hear.

      So what do they want to hear? We can just write that and make some money.

  20. wonder what the job stress figures are for Europe? by Cryofan · · Score: 1

    Probably a lot less stressful. The people I worked with in France got beaucoup time off.....

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    eat shiat and bark at the moon
  21. Guess what makes me stressed? by adlaiff6 · · Score: 1

    The current ad banner at the top of this page.

    It shows Windows Server 2003 outperforming Red Hat by 273% with 2 processors.

    1. Re:Guess what makes me stressed? by Nasarius · · Score: 1
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      LOAD "SIG",8,1
  22. streamlining the paradygm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Here, this process will help you out in most cases!

  23. New & Improved by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think a lot of stress comes from the pressure to do things in a different way we are not familiar with - something you've done dozens of times using procedure X gets pretty easy and routine. But when you're forced to now use procedure Z to accomplish the same task, suddenly it's unfamiliar, dangerous, uncertain, possibly will fail and what'll we do if it doesn't work, etc.

    The trick is to get the right balance of old comfortable with the new & improved, and different people can tolerate different levels of each. Forcing someone who has trouble internalizing new procedures quickly will be stressed in a fast changing environment, while someone who can learn fast will quickly become bored in a repetitive, slowly changing environment.

    --
    try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
    1. Re:New & Improved by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Yes, but if the "new way" is just going along with some recent VP's trendy new management fad initiative gleaned from a golf session with corporate buddies, you're always going to be playing catch up, cover-up and WTF.

      Try working for an engineering company (I.E., a firm that designs and builds stuff other than software) sometime. In that field there is a lot less bullshit from management since failure in what they do can kill people, not just CPU processes.

  24. When its for myself, I'm more motivated by suso · · Score: 1

    When it comes to doing things that I can take ownership in or that I thought of or are for my benifit, I find that I am much much more motivated than when I have to do a project for someone else's benifit.

  25. Forgot one statistic by NetNinja · · Score: 1

    More Heart attacks occur on Monday than any other day of the week.

    I guess it means people would rather die than go to work.

    1. Re:Forgot one statistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess it means that people went home early on Friday rather than finishing the work that was due on Monday morning...

      Or maybe it's due to the binge of beer and fast-food over the weekend...

      Or perhaps there's no statistical relationship to any of the above.

      Take your pick....

  26. not true by geekoid · · Score: 1

    a lot of people have no idea how to orginize their day, set goals and prioritize.

    These books do help people. Your right, there is no magic pill, but there are things people can do to improve themselves.

    Drew Cary attributes his success to motivational books.

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    1. Re:not true by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying that all motivational books are useless, just that they won't work for all people. They certainly might help some, and I didn't dispute that.

  27. Oh really? by Telastyn · · Score: 1

    People who are bad at time management get stress induced by time management problems? Ingenious!

  28. GTD blog by c2005 · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.43folders.com

    1. Re:GTD blog by Ribo99 · · Score: 1

      I was going to say the same thing. 43 Folders is a great blog for implementing GTD, the guy has a lot of great insight. Plus a lot of good info about integrating GTD with computer use, especially on the mac.

      --
      I wear pants.
    2. Re:GTD blog by leejor · · Score: 1

      I concur. 43folders.com is an excellent website for GTD. While on the software front 43folders does have a Macintosh bent, there is plenty of good info for everyone. I use the Hipster PDA from 43folders.com far more than I every used any other PDA I have owned. Amazing, how effective a stack of 3x5 cards and a binder clip can be.

    3. Re:GTD blog by pigpogm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Link for the lazy...
      http://www.43folders.com/

      43Folders is an excellent blog, covering mainly Macs and Moleskines, but well worth subscribing for anyone interested in GTD or productivity. It's not been going long, but Merlin's already made a big impression.

      --
      PigPog.
  29. FUCK PRODUCTIVITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They always talk about a worker's productivity, and act like that's what a worker should be striving towards - but how is productivity measured? From the EMPLOYERS point of view - the most work accomplished for the least cost. Sounds great, eh?

    The problem is that all of this is based on conning the worker into buying corporate propaganda. Thr TRUTH is, when it comes to compensation for work the relationship between a worker and employer is ADVERSARIAL.

    If you are your employer's most productive worker, what does that mean for you? What does that look like if you measure productivity from the WORKER'S point of view?

    Well, if you are your employer's most productive worker, then of all of your fellow workers, you are the worker with the LEAST PRODUCTIVE CAREER. You are producing more output for less money.

    For once someone should write a book about how to get the MOST from your employer - how to get a productive EMPLOYER, a productive CAREER. How to get the most money for the least work.

    Stop working to benefit others, and make more of your work benefit YOU.

  30. Chapter One: by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    "Put Down This Book And Get To Work, Slacker"

    There is no Chapter Two.

    --

    The enemies of Democracy are
  31. [infomercial] Is your job stressful? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Tired of your boss bullying you around?

    Worry no more! Write a self-improvement book and get rich!

    [public]whoaaaaaa

    And now, introducing the... (drum rolls)

    "HOW TO WRITE A SELF-IMPROVEMENT BOOK AND GET RICH SELLING IT" book!

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  32. Innovating a new paradigm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every manager I have ever known that read these kinds of books were the most inept and poor excuse for managers ever. You can't become a good manager by reading a book. Good managers don't need to read this trash.

  33. Open space defeats productivity by behindthewall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have consistently found open space environments to be the biggest stressor in my work. I'm trying to solve complex problems, involving big bucks, but my employer insists this is aided by enforced, incidental participation in every nearby cube meeting and phone call.

    More or less, the loudest and the most noise tolerant are the ones who thrive. Never mind that I can shake a passle of bugs out of something that's already "passed" "testing". Because I need some peace and quiet to really hold all of the scopes, interfaces, etc. in my head, I'm at the mercy of my neighbors' schedules as far as getting this done.

    People keep using my ideas. But Management won't acknowledge that a few extra square feet, some drywall, and insulation would keep them coming and coming faster. I'd probably also have some evenings and weekends to myself.

    H-ll, even my alma mater, a small, well endowed school, seems to be going open space. It's kind of like taking that old joke about "designed by committee", and making it an institutional imperative.

    1. Re:Open space defeats productivity by sdcharle · · Score: 1

      That's when it's great if you can work from home. I find home a much better environment than the office for getting things done lately.

  34. And now... by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1

    ...the author is probably going to be stresed out. Maybe he should read a good book about dealing with stressful situations.

    --
    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
    Ben
  35. corporate wellness by numLocked · · Score: 1

    My family runs a company called Wellcoaches that specializes in reducing stress of corporate employees. The company has some pretty good ideas - the concept is to certify coaches around the country who then schedule sessions with employees in companies to maintain better wellness/fitness/health.

    The interesting part is that insurance companies are behind the methodology, so the cost for health insurance for companies using Wellcoaches is lower. The program is non-medical, instead concentrating on exercise and eating well, so it's nice to see that insurance companies put stock into what people have always known is good for your health.

  36. skeptical, but I loved this book by aaron240 · · Score: 1

    This is probably the only book of this genre that I really felt good about having read. The idea of getting everything little thing you have to do written down, filed, and out of your head is very useful. Well, what was I about to do...

  37. It's a great program by lot3k · · Score: 1

    I was skeptical at first when I attended one of their seminars at first. Two days out of work for a seminar when I could be getting something else done. But the organizational strategies given and ways to effeciently outline my work for the benefit of my own freetime and the money savings of my company has made that two of the most valuable days of my life. I highly recommend this to anyone in any corporation who finds their employees feeling stressed and overworked. I won't go into details, would hate to steal their thunder but it's worth a look.

  38. Wtf by Aliencow · · Score: 1

    We'd like to be Knoppix. That just sounds TOO nerdish. Geez!

  39. 43 folders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if you don't buy the book, skim the section on his "43 folders" idea. Basically, you take 43 folders: 12 for each month of the year, 31 for the days. Together they make a revolving calender. But unlike a traditional calender, you can place your "TO-DO"s inside. For example, rather than make a note to yourself to pay the phone bill, you put the actual phone bill inside the folder. etc...

  40. Stress will never disappear by sidepocket · · Score: 0

    I believe as long as there are lazy people, there will be stress at the workplace. Motivated and energetic people don't get stressed out. It's the people that don't want to do anything that piss and moan all day.

    Wow, I just sounded like a republican for a second.

  41. I found this book tremendously useful by Schlemphfer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I read Getting Things Done about six months ago when I was starting my publishing company. It has been very, very useful to me. I got infinitely more from this book than from reading The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.

    The central idea of this book, which was not really covered in the Slashdot review, is that you should not be using your brain to remember things about work. Every time you have a thought relevant to work -- an idea, a task to accomplish, a goal to achieve -- you should have some kind of information management system in place so that your thought gets recorded for future review and action.

    I married Allen's advice with a cheap digital voice recorder and with a great piece of free Windows software called Keynote. Keynote is a tabbed outliner, where each of the main ten or so components to my life each get their own outline (in my case: speaking dates, website development, to do's, etc). It's really the only software that is keeping me using Windows. I use my Mac for nearly everything else.

    Getting Things Done is perhaps the only business book that I intend to re-read. If you feel stressed about your work, and have this lingering feeling you're not as effective as you need to be, I really suggest a weekend with this book. Just know that you should be joining its advice with a software solution like Keynote, plus a (real-world) filing cabinet, as you seek to empty the stuff in your brain into its appropriate places.

    Oh, and one more thing. Getting Things Done is a great piece of writing. And how often can you say that about a business book?

    --
    I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
    1. Re:I found this book tremendously useful by intinig · · Score: 1

      I totally subscribe your comment. Incidentally I received my copy of GTF the last friday of the christmas vacation. I started reading it and I felt so motivaded by it that I spent the next Saturday and Sunday reorganizing my work (and my life) following the principles of David Allen. Well, what a change has it been. Applying the GTD method I really got a surge of energy that derives from not having to remember what to do next and not being anxious about the possibility of forgetting things. Getting Things Done won't turn you from Mr. Lazy to Mr. Productive if you don't have the will of being productive, but can help you overcoming the stress of feeling overwhelmed by the things you gotta do. I totally recommend this book to anyone who wants/has to do many things, but ends doing nothing.

    2. Re:I found this book tremendously useful by Will+Sargent · · Score: 1
      I prefer Ecco Pro as a tabbed outliner -- it's pretty much the best, most full featured outliner I've ever seen. And it's free.

      Also see the previous slashdot article about this and my own long boring post.

    3. Re:I found this book tremendously useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi,

      I have a quick question about publishing. Could you please email me please at: peter.norin {@at} gmail {dot} com. Than you so much!

      Pete

  42. The original is also a great book by winkydink · · Score: 3, Insightful
    by Edwin C. Bliss It taught me the value of only touching things once (email, paper correspondence) and to never keep a copy of something you know you can easily get from somebody else, to name two examples.

    The book is a little dated now, but still a great read and still has useful ideas.

    --

    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  43. People who read the book don't need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I checked it out from the Library, but I didn't get around to reading it before I had to return it (and I even renewed it first).

  44. Great book by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I started reading it two weeks ago. I'm still on chapter one but I'll finish it next week, I swear...

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    -- If god wanted me to have a sig, he'd have given me a sense of humor.
  45. Review = Cliffs? by sigemund · · Score: 1

    Having read this excellent review, I feel like I don't even need to buy the book any more :)

    What if your source of stress is your idiot boss? How does this book address that?

    1. Re:Review = Cliffs? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Simple: You just take the book and hit him over the head with it!

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:Review = Cliffs? by emilng · · Score: 1

      What if your source of stress is your idiot boss? How does this book address that?

      Then it's time to start looking for a new job.
      Have you started that yet?

  46. Lots of resources for GtD by trh · · Score: 1

    There are a ton of resources for the Getting Things Done methodology. A few of the decent ones, other than the author's primary site are:

    43Folders, A weblog, oriented toward the Mac - http://www.43folders.com/
    GtD Palm Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm

    There is a Google Group as well, and many more. Check it out!

    1. Re:Lots of resources for GtD by trh · · Score: 1

      I forgot to paste in some of my links:

      - Excellent article with many links at the bottom from 43Folders - http://www.43folders.com/2004/09/getting_started.h tml

      - http://www.minezone.org/wiki/MVance/GettingThingsD one

      - Tons of Links - http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~smerino/gtd/gtd-resources .html

    2. Re:Lots of resources for GtD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There is also an add-in for Outlook to help you implement the methedology....

      http://gtdsupport.netcentrics.com/tour/home.asp

      it definitely helps me.

  47. Joel on software's take on productivity by Swamii · · Score: 1
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    Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit
  48. A bunk review, a good book by TheViewFromTheGround · · Score: 1

    As always, Slashdot book reviews are not exactly, uh, insightful, and are far too charitable.

    But I'm going to advocate for the book anyway. It actually is not simplistic at all. The power of Allen's approach is in seeing better than others have seen where productivity is lost. I did Franklin Planning for a bit and it was a bunch of bunkus -- mainly I found I could do just as well with a pad of paper and later with Ximian Evolution what they were charging an assload of money for. Allen's approach is very different -- there's a few tricks, but mainly, the focus is agnostic to the system of organization you choose, and focused on why you lose track of projects and what principles help you get those projects back on track. And the main principle is to get everything out of your head and into some organized but flexible system that you can review at various stages of your life, typically on a weekly basis. Most of the other advice stems from this principle: for example, just goddamn do things that don't take long to do, right when you get them, so that they're done and you don't have to think about them anymore. Maybe you should note that you did do them, for future reference, but just get them out of the way. I've found the principle: get it out of your head and into some kind of system (mine's just barely systematic) is much better advice than "write a list of your tasks and your priorities" because goddamn if that doesn't change every 5-10 minutes, at least where I'm working now, trying to fix an ailing IT department where everything is breaking.

    Notice also that Allen's approach isn't "getting lots of things done" or "getting everything done" -- it's much more about managing one's time in a healthy way, which includes knowing what you decided to blow off instead of just forgetting about it. Allen's as cognizant as anybody that most of us are pretty overdrawn and stretched out, but the system is as much about tracking those things you decide not to do for whatever reason as those things you decide to do.

    --
    Online citizen journalism from the inner city: The View From The Ground
  49. Met him in person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the opportunity to meet David Allen in person last year when my company brought him in for a day long seminar. He is a very good speaker, highly motivational, and really just made the day a lot of fun. His ideas and methods take some work up front, and you need to be willing to stick with "the system", but if you do the rewards can be many.

  50. Ironically enough... by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

    ...the 26% to 40% of employees who feel their job is overly stressful work in the business motivation and self-improvement industry.

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    I'm not good in groups. It's difficult to work in a group when you're omnipotent. - Q
    1. Re:Ironically enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically enough, it sounds like you pulled that out of your ass. It stinks

  51. Getting Things Done works for me by chrisatslashdot · · Score: 2, Informative
    Some things that I feel the reviewer left out:
    • Experience the most fundamental princilple of the GTD method. Try these three steps, finishing one before reading the next step. First consider the most stressfull, worrisome task or project that you curently deal with. Got it? Second picture the ideal outcome of the task or project. Got it? Lastly think of the very next physical action that you must perform to advance the project. This must not be something like 'organize a team meeting' or 'talk to bob'. It should be a physical action like 'email my secretary to setup a team meeting at 2pm next Tuesday' or 'phone bob at home'. Now how do you feel about the project? Better?
    • David offers very practical advice and stays away from pie-in-the-sky-warm-fuzzy crap. You can read the whole book without getting that nausiating feeling that usually accompanies such self-help books. For example he tells you how to setup a very functional filing system right down to which types of folders work best and why you should use a stand-alone labler.
    • The GTD method has a routing for every single responsibility that you might need to track in business or personal life. Whether its a customer file or your kids school play or spare batteries for you CD player, the GTD method can handle it. There is something magical about taking every task that you have to do and dropping it into an extremely simple and manageable system that you know will result in the best possible outcome with the least amount of stress.
    --


    Simple people talk of people, better people talk of events, great people talk of ideas.
  52. Doing the small tasks first? by InakaBoyJoe · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "If it takes less than 2-3 minutes, do it right away."

    So I've been following such a policy myself, but this ends up having the net effect of putting the small stuff before the big stuff -- one of the big no-nos of time management. At the end of the day, I've gotten a ton of tiny tasks done and a clean to-do list except for the big one that can't be delegated, has to be done, and there isn't enough time left to do.

    Does this book address that problem at all? Anybody have any strategies to share?

    1. Re:Doing the small tasks first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm...how about:

      "If it takes less than 2-3 minutes, put it off until all the big stuff is done".

      There you go - problem solved.
      You're welcome. :-)

    2. Re:Doing the small tasks first? by djiin · · Score: 1

      The secret is break those big task down into smaller tasks. Then do the smaller tasks.

      The book uses a definition of task as something that takes, I think, 2 minutes. All tasks that will take longer than 2 minutes should be decomposed into several smaller tasks until you have a list of tasks that you just get on with without leaving one large task.

      The trick is not to think of that large task as a large task but as a conglomeration of smaller tasks.

    3. Re:Doing the small tasks first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm mostly using the GtD method myself, for the past 4-5 months. I think the way to handle the problem you describe is to defer interrupts. When you decide to begin working on the big honking important task, small things will pile up in the inbox, the voice mail, and the email while you are working on it. When you do decide to check them, work through them in order until your time limit is up. Do I always do them strictly in order as recommended in the book? No. Sometimes I peek ahead to delete some, or fire off a high-priority, simple email answer. But generally, I try to keep
      my inbox clean, which is quite different from my old way, which basically was to use my inbox as a giant FIFO queue of everything I've ever seen.

      I guess the main idea is that doing the small things right now (instead of deferring) is about being maximally efficient with them. Otherwise the overhead of tracking them takes as much time as doing them.

    4. Re:Doing the small tasks first? by smaughster · · Score: 1

      Read "the 7 habits of highly effective people" by Covey. It touches this exact problem. In short: first determine the things that really matter to you and plan these within your agenda. The rest can be filled with more urgent and/or small tasks. The main idea: fill your agenda according to your priorities instead of prioritizing your existing agenda.

      For more info: follow the white rabbit

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      I intend to live forever, so far so good.
  53. Strewth! There's a simple solution... by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

    ...just take a cold bath!

    --
    Did he inhale?
  54. Stress by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
    Unless you have had some major disasters in life, the answer will probably rotate around having too much to do and too little time to accomplish all the tasks.

    No, it probably rotates around not having any control over what you do or the conditions under which you do it.

  55. Fundamentally Flawed by __aavonx8281 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the biggest flaw with this argument has to be with the idea that you can shift gears and take care of small tasks quickly without interrupting a larger task. This article on the tyranny of email pretty much sums it up. If you're in a zone, coding away, and you get a phone call, all those variables and processes, and whatever else you're holding onto and manipulating in your mind get crowded out and it takes you a lot of time to get back up to speed. Taking care of small tasks as they come up can actually take up more time than writing them down and taking care of them after you emerge from your creative cycle.

    1. Re:Fundamentally Flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short point, Allen does not suggest handling the two minute tasks *as they come up*, but during your processing of your "inboxes" (email, memos, voice recordings, letters, bills, receipts, etc) if a task will take less than two minutes, process it then, don't handle it several times (process, files, re-visit, finally do). Do not interrupt the big things to handle every little thing that comes along as it comes along. Empty your inboxes on a periodical basis.

      And *empty* them. Don't use your inbox as a storage, tickler, or organizational device.

  56. "For once someone should write a book..."??? by aristus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's called "Das Kapital", you weenie.

    Of course it's adversarial. It's also based on factory-thinking, that "productivity" is something you can stack like bricks.

    So. Go read up on the IWW (aka the Wobblies), or get job that involves creativity, OR, suck it up.

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  57. I've read this book, and it's pretty decent... by Smegma4U · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of the value in this book is not that it presents any revolutionary ideas, but that it sets down important rules in a clear and easy way to use and implement. The book was a pretty decent read, not too much of a drudge, and I know some people who have fully implemented the strategies outlined within and have been quite happy with their success. If you're pondering buying one of these types of books, I'd say this is a pretty decent one.

    The greatest value in these types of books is that they serve as reminders about what we should be doing, instead of just slogging through work using our typical bad habits.

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  58. It's not that simple... by Chagatai · · Score: 1
    My director recently revealed to me, following his two-week vacation to Disneyworld, that he had been suffering from terrible, terrible headaches. But just a few days into his vacation, they were totally gone. However, the moment he came back and picked up his work laptop again, he started feeling a stabbing pain between his eyes. He has been trying multiple means to relax, from meditation to gardening, without luck. "Why," he asked, "do I keep feeling this way?"

    I shared with him my take on stress and relaxation. For thousands of years, man has felt stress. But this stress was geared around a necessity to survive--life or death. The stress back then was from the prosperity of crops, from hunting the beast, and in some unlucky cases, running from the beast. The stress was there to keep man from dying. More importantly, it tended to come in short bursts.

    In the past hundred years, we have gotten to the point (at least in the US), where no one has to starve, no one has to hunt or run from the beast. If someone was fired from his job, the probability of starving is nearly gone (NOTE: I realize that there are people who do starve in the US, and that sickens me, but the scope of my rant is applicable primarily to the more affluent workers who have this "stress".) Instead, we have now substituted the natural stress with the unnatural stress many people feel today; the long, drawn-out, lingering stress, living in fear of if a paper winds up on someone's desk on time.

    The issue goes even more deep than this with "natural" versus "unnatural" things, with people having dozens of kids less than 100 years ago to less than 1 in some areas. In short, within the past 100 years we have changed the way our kind has operated for thousands of years. On a primal and almost genetic level, we are acting counterintuitively to our nature.

    After I shared this with him, he started understanding that a TPS report is not the same as a well-thrown spear or laying a fish on a few kernels of corn at the right time of the season. Hopefully, his headache will soon fade.

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    1. Re:It's not that simple... by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      he had been suffering from terrible, terrible headaches. But just a few days into his vacation, they were totally gone. However, the moment he came back and picked up his work laptop again, he started feeling a stabbing pain between his eyes.

      Sounds like he's suffering from an initial stage of burnout or chronic fatigue syndrome. If he does, it's a serious matter. Then, unless he changes his habits radically or gets treatment, he may become seriously handicapped. But with proper changes in habits, or with treatment, he may gain a lot of strength and well-being.

      Tell him to see a psychologist, they know about these things.

      This is important, it's a serious matter.

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  59. A few tips really helps by AlXtreme · · Score: 1
    Although D. Allen's book is very much management-food, I found it a good read and still browse through it regularly. The best idea was to file stuff so you don't have to think about it anymore. It's so simple to do and eases those stresslevels during crunchtime.

    One of the areas I've become fanatical in is filing my email correctly. At this moment, my inbox is empty. Quite a difference back when I still kept hundreds of them shouting out at me, and my mail volume has doubled since that time. Setting up a few Action and Archive folders is a start, and with a proper hierarchy you don't have to hunt around anymore to find those emails.

    Aother area has been paperwork. I've always had large stacks on my desk, like everyone else. Knowing when to archive and when to chuck away, and having once place where to store and find everything on a certain project really helps.

    Anyway, this book would certainly be a boon to all those chaotic people who, like me, felt like they could deal with all those info streams. You might, but if you can make your life a lot easier by following a few simple rules, why wouldn't you?

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  60. Focused on executives by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2, Insightful


    My impression of the book/method was that it was really focused on executives who delegate virtually all the work they're responsible for, and whose tasks tend to involve phone calls, reviewing documents and signing them, and other executive tasks.

    The way it was presented, it didn't seem to be very relevant for someone whose work involves things like spending lots of time actually *working* on things, like writing code, or designing software, or writing a book.

    The longest task he ever addresses in the book is the task of getting started with GTD - he advises blocking out a few days of uninterrupted time. Everything else is little bitty things like making calls.

    Perhaps my impression is incorrect. But I think Allen would do himself a favor if he rewrote his book for working stiffs, rather than for executives.

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  61. A chance to blatantly self-promote by pigpogm · · Score: 2, Informative

    It *is* relevant, though. I've written some articles about GTD on my blog...

    Introduction...
    http://pigpog.com/michael/blog/2004/07/productivit y-gtd-getting-things-done.php

    Methods...
    http://pigpog.com/michael/blog/2004/08/productivit y-gtd-methods-for.php

    The method I use...
    http://pigpog.com/michael/blog/2004/08/productivit y-gtd-pigpog-method.php

    Cutting it down *very* briefly, I don't keep a separate projects list, just have next actions with the project on the same line, sort of like...

    Call Garage #Replace Tyres

    It means you can only have one next action for a project, but saves a bit of overhead trying to match projects up to next actions.

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  62. Reduce job stress: write stupid self-help book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...so you can quit your job and rake in the cash from all suckers who are still working.

    Make sure your self-help book includes lots silly catch phrases for ordinary things and contains cheesy flow diagrams. Really, how is this book any different that "Seven habits..." and all the other ones? This steaming pile will end up collecting dust in the bookcases of thousands of self-absorbed wannabes along with all the others.

    The real stress in today's job environment comes from job insecurity, not the difficulties of time management. Everyone I know is constantly worried that they won't have a job next month.

    Here's a short list of reasons why people are worried about job security: jobs relocated to cheap labor markets, canceled projects, corporate mergers, getting replaced by cheap young workers and/or by H1Bs & L-1s workers, short-term cost cutting so the executives can get their bonuses, the incompetent schmuck in the next cubical is a better ass-kisser than you, four years of anemic job growth, etc.

    Combine that with the skyrocketing cost of housing, energy and health care and you have discovered the real cause of stress in our society.

    I have a simple solution when I'm given more tasks than I can complete in a particular period of time. I tell my boss I already have too much to do, so those other things will have to wait. Pretty simple, huh? Do you think I could stretch that one sentence time-management concept out to fill an entire book? I could make millions!

    I know this attitude will mean I'll never be invited into executive management, but I've never had the desire to be an incompetent, soulless, ass-licking, mafioso-like dickhead anyway. Time with my kids is more important than a house on the country club golf course.

    I guess that attitude is considered "un-American" in today's political environment, but screw it, I'm not wasting my one-and-only life on this planet running around like a chicken with it's head cut off so that the elite of our society can rake in more stock profits and brag about productivity gains.

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  63. Healthcare... by Duhavid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something flashed into the Marxist part of my brain after I read your analysis of the health insurance issue WRT employment.

    I wonder if that barrier to leaving a job is exactly what the monied politicians want.

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  64. welcome to the world of repetitive stress injury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i can see your future and i don't even need a crystal ball
    carpal tunnel, tendonitis, perhaps some of both
    but nobody believes it until it happens to them

  65. Sources of stress by tootlemonde · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Time management is one area where employees can help themselves but most causes of stress are out of their control. The stress caused by the work is typically the least of the problems.

    Sources of stress in the workplace:

    • Unrealistic deadlines
    • Conflicting priorities
    • Inadequate resources
    • Interpersonal conflicts
    • Poorly defined objectives
    • Difficult economic conditions
    • Sudden or frequent changes in managers
    • Personal problems outside work

    Any one of these can cause excessive stress and it is not unusual to have several of them part of the typical day. The only practical way of dealing with them is just don't let it get to you. Focus on getting through day and try to find a place where things are better. Try to be a calming influence in the office instead of stoking the rumour mill and predicting the worst.

    If you look at the office in a certain way, it can even be funny. Certainly, more comic than tragic.

    1. Re:Sources of stress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you look at the office [imdb.com] in a certain way, it can even be funny. Certainly, more comic than tragic.

      Uhh..... WTF, son? The Office is funny. That's the point. It is a comedy and that was the writers' intent.

      Are you confused by the lack of laugh track such that you didn't catch that it's *supposed* to be funny?

    2. Re:Sources of stress by tootlemonde · · Score: 1

      The Office, the television series, is an example of looking at "the office", i.e., the workplace, as being funny rather than tragic. Humour is thus a possible way of dealing with stress that arises from forces beyond your control.

      Perhaps I did not make myself clear.

    3. Re:Sources of stress by smaughster · · Score: 1

      What you list are sources of strain. Whether a person actually gets stressed out is an entirely internal proces. Realizing this usually helps a lot: for every one of those sources, there are people affected by it and people who couldn't give a damn.

      So if you find that one or more of theses causes stress for you, it's up to you to do something about it. Don't complain about your boss creating conflicting priorities, but act. Talk to him about it, propose aligning priorities, and if those don't work: choose your own because you'd be damned anyway and report often about the progress.

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  66. GTD is a great system by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 1

    I've gotta hand it to David Allen; Getting Things Done has transformed the way I think about work and my life. It's a great system, and I highly recommend it for people who want to get more out of life. It's not for everyone, and the results take a while to mature, but the payoff is fabulous. It's truly transformational, and I'm glad that Slashdot picked up the review. I was going to review this book, but I wasn't sure if the community would have accepted it yet. I think the computer culture and GTD go very much hand-in-hand.

  67. Well worth the read... 2nd that! by soloport · · Score: 1

    Like most business books this book suffers from unneeded verboseness.

    I respectfully disagree. I did read the book, cover-to-cover, last Summer. Each time I thought the author would be going off the deep end, I'd force myself to keep reading and was surprised to find he had real insight and substance all the way through.

    Granted, I haven't followed his methods to the letter -- I've formed more of a variation on his theme, which better suits my circumstances. But it helped me a lot for him to give full examples, as he did.

  68. Blah blah blah-Consumer Pressure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Given the choice at the same pay, I'll sit in my nice AC'ed office any day and get in the occasional fight w/ my manager. But probably the most important thing I have learned is, is that stress comes from you. Once you realize that its just a job, and that deadline that was missed doesn't really matter all that much in the grand scheme of things, you'll be much more relaxed. And you will also be more focused, happier, and most likely performing better as you are not dwelling on that last F'up."

    Or one could simply drop a lot of the consumerism, and relieve even more stress.

  69. If you are not working for yourself by geekoid · · Score: 1

    you are an idiot.
    100 out of 168 hours spent working sounds like a wasted life to me.
    UNless you are working in an enviroment that compensates well for your effort.

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  70. Open space defeats productivity-Japanese. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "More or less, the loudest and the most noise tolerant are the ones who thrive. Never mind that I can shake a passle of bugs out of something that's already "passed" "testing". Because I need some peace and quiet to really hold all of the scopes, interfaces, etc. in my head, I'm at the mercy of my neighbors' schedules as far as getting this done."

    And yet the Japanese somehow manage to work well with their neighbours in one of the densest countries. Maybe Americans and Europeans could learn something. "Space" may not be the reason.

  71. Guy Kawasaki == Gator / Claria by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

    Guy Kawasaki started Garage.com, aka Garage Technology Ventures, a venture capital firm which proudly claims Claria, aka Gator, as part of their investment portfolio.

    That's one thing he shouldn't have started.

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  72. Most Important Lesson In GTD In 3 words... by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Priority doesn't Matter.

    The truth of this fact never occurred to me until I read GTD, but what David says in the book is totally true. Read that sentence carefuly- It takes a while to sink in!

    When you decide what projects you're going to take on, you need to be brutally honest about which ones you really want to and will be able to complete and then put 100% of effort into them.

    At this point, your goals are broken down into bite-sized chunks (called NAs) and are then placed on a completely flat list with no hierarchy or priority and handled in whatever order you feel is most efficient.

    What about deadlines, you ask? The GTD paradigm argues that almost all of them are not real deadlines, since there is almost always plenty of time to complete the task, or, the deadline is flexible- Inflexible AND ALSO soon deadlines are extremely rare and just your own imagination.

  73. If you want to get things done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quit wasting your time on Slashdot.

  74. Why not use a Wiki? by gtshafted · · Score: 1
    Keynote is fine, but I personally have found tree based data organizers a bit limiting.

    I think something like Eclipse Wiki http://eclipsewiki.sourceforge.net/ - a plugin for the Eclipse IDE http://www.eclipse.org/ is open source nice alternative for having relational data organization.

  75. Joel Spolsky re: programmers doing many things by Dub+Kat · · Score: 1

    Joel Spolsky (from Joel on Software), wrote an article awhile back about trying to do many things at once...which just isn't possible. You can try and context-switch, but just like David Allen states, you're wasting time and breaking your flow.

    For a programmer's perspective on this issue, check out the article here.

    I've read Getting Things Done as well. Highly recommend if you want to get organized and have a "mind like water" like Allen talks about.

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  76. What stresses you out? by burdalane · · Score: 1

    I get stressed out whenever I have a job that requires working for an employer or other boss, being around people for long periods of time, or stepping outside my home. I also find the biggest obstacle to getting things done is the fact that I don't want to get anything done.