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Phishing In The Channel

Rick Zeman writes "A Washington Post story details the relationships between phishers, IRC, plug-and-play phishing toolkits, and phantom web sites. 'For the past few months we've started to see phishing attacks from subcontractors, people who buy and use ready-made phishing toolkits and e-mail lists,' Orad said. 'It's gotten to the point where you don't need to know anything about spamming or computer programming to pull this off.'"

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  1. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we have phishkiddies

    1. Re:Great by Rie+Beam · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pguppies sounds more appropriate if you ask me.

    2. Re:Great by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Funny

      That just sounds like people who hit Page Up way too much.

  2. Urmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    It's gotten to the point where you don't need to know anything about spamming or computer programming to pull this off.'

    So phishing is just as easy as using Windows... Think about it.

  3. So what you are say is: by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now people who know nothing about ripping people off can rip off people who know nothing about being ripped off.

  4. Dear Ebay/PayPal user by x.Draino.x · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was a system crash this month. You may have noticed our system has been running slowly. If you are receiving this email, we have lost some of the information for your account. Please click on the following link and fill in all of your information to make sure your account does not get suspended. We appreciate your time, and sorry for the trouble. Click here to fill in your info! Your friends, at Ebay/PayPal.

    1. Re:Dear Ebay/PayPal user by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have noticed the slowdown!

      I would be glad to verify my user information!

      My username is: JohnnySellsDildos and my password is: 8675309

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      DAMN YOU OCTODOG! DAMN YOU TO HELL!
    2. Re:Dear Ebay/PayPal user by lordkuri · · Score: 4, Funny

      xxx.edu

      pr0n college??? such a thing exists??? DAMMIT!

  5. Well... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 2, Informative
    I remember using pre-made "proggies" on AOL back when it was new to phish users Passwords.

    So, this is nothing new and people are still naive. Hopefully, though, the more it hits peoples back-pocket then more savvy they will get.

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    1. Re:Well... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 2, Insightful
      AOHell really was far to much fun.

      Of course, that's back when the Internet in general was much more fun.

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  6. Dear world, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    www.secure-ebay-transactions.ru is NOT ebay.

    You have been warned.

    Sincerely,
    The Internet.

    1. Re:Dear world, by ftzdomino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Typically a phisher takes advantage of the IE exploit to fake the URL also, so a vulnerable user thinks they are at a legit URL.

    2. Re:Dear world, by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't even have to be that complicated... typically the URL in the email is "correct" but the underlying link is to another site....most lusers never look at the address in the status bar.
      http://www.ebay.com/
      This is why /. puts the domain in brackets after the link.

    3. Re:Dear world, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is why /. puts the domain in brackets after the link.

      Slashdot puts the domain in brackets to keep your eyes from getting burned, not your wallet.

  7. IRC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IRC is like a communication medium, its irrelevant in this discussion. As irrelevant as telephones being 'used' by thiefs to communicate. Holding IRC responsible is pointless.

    1. Re:IRC? by Nosf3ratu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Overstating the obvious is also pointless. You fail it.

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    2. Re:IRC? by nasor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Any time I start to develop the slightest faith in the goodness of my fellow man, I just type /list into IRC. That clears it right up.

  8. Prevention starts at home by teiresias · · Score: 5, Informative

    While it has become easier for phishers (and now apparently nonphishers) to prey upon mom and pop internet surfer, it still comes down to personal security. Mom and pop internet surfer won't give their ATM pin or their credit card number to a guy on the street but for some reason, the authority of the Internet removes those safeguards.

    Next time you see your parents or someone who is a likely phishing canidate, please, don't roll your eyes. Warn them and try to explain the difference.

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    -Teiresias
    1. Re:Prevention starts at home by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Informative

      Phishing works in numerous ways like creating fake websites like www.payypal.com which is a close of replica of paypal to trick mom and pop.

      Also many malware type apps which install themselves through javascript exploits may install a keyboard logger, or even change the address bar when a user types "www.amazon.com". IE will display the correct URL but will go to a hacked copy of the site while the user is unaware.

      Also most stolen credit cards are from legitimate businesses which their minimium wage employees steal and post to the net for profit. I use to work at Staples and a former supervisor was caught doing this with over 50 credit card holders.

      Last, its not the user who compromises but rather the merchant who compromises. IIS is the default most popular web software for corporate America and ecommerce sites. A hacker who gain infiltrate a database with thousands of email addresses and credit numbers has a potential gold mine.

      Its more complex than just protecting yourself.

      The internet today is getting worse and worse and is turning into the wild west. Its a dangerous place where new pc's can get infected within 3 to 4 minutes, billions of spams go out each day, to phishing.

      I was reading an older story here about the google archive of usenet including the first spam and how everyone was so shocked the internet could turn into a profit making scheme. Boy, the old internet users had no idea what was coming.

  9. Still popular... by Evil+Attorney · · Score: 2, Funny

    It amazes me that a few months after breaking up Phish is still as popular as ever. Damn you, hippies!

  10. Wouldn't phishkiddies be... by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...small fry? Or Network Krillers?

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  11. Has anyone seen alternate character domains? by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been wondering when I would start to see these alternate character set domain names that you can get now play a role in this. You know, like someone registers cnn.com, but the c is not the latin character set c but one from another character set. Or something that almost looks like a c.

    Then, without even hacking DNS, you can simply make someone or a group of people think that they are on cnn.com when they are really not. This could be used for things like fake news reports, etc. that make people panic.

    Has anyone seen anything like this yet?

    1. Re:Has anyone seen alternate character domains? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bernstein warns about this. It seems like it's going to happen anyway.

      Anybody know of registrars processing punycode registrations?

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    2. Re:Has anyone seen alternate character domains? by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Browsers could be modified to highlight characters outside the usual 7 bit ASCII range. For example, those characters could be displayed in red, or in reverse video.

      In fact, this would make sense right now. A heuristic could be used to highlight the '1' in paypa1.com.

      Rich.

  12. ... profit! by phyruxus · · Score: 2, Funny
    from article: "Thomas was stunned that her data was being openly traded online.

    "I can't believe that people are allowed to do this kind of thing," she said. "Why can't [the authorities] do anything about this?"


    The answer may be that the economics of online fraud -- which has such low start-up costs that luring only a few victims to divulge personal financial data can turn a huge profit for the perpetrator -- are so much in favor of the criminals that, at least for now, a continued increase in phishing activity is all but certain.
    "

    Crime pays. News at 11. </cynicism>

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    "A witty saying proves nothing." ~Voltaire
    "d'Oh!" ~Homer
  13. Familiar? by nicklott · · Score: 3, Funny
    'It's gotten to the point where you don't need to know anything about spamming or computer programming to pull this off.'
    Hey sounds like IT management to me!

    boom boom

  14. Re:IRC by grazzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dont forget to block port 80 too, a lot of scary stuff goes on there...

  15. Slow Law Enforcement by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This underscores the problem with these schemes, laws don't mean a thing if there's no enforcement. Most of the spam I see phishing should be able to be tracked down quickly enough to catch perps, but either law enforcement is bogged down with other things or it's just not really much of a priority.

    Many people complain about there not being enough cops on the street (unless they've just been pulled over), which I've been informed in my area, is due to most calls are domestic disputes. Police don't have the time to catch all the burglars and bicycle thieves because someone is slapping someone else around (IMHO the first offense should land people in a cooler for at least a month.)

    Regarding the agencies which should be chasing spammers and scammers, that's probably the FBI, which is too busy being reorg'd and chasing terrorist threats.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Slow Law Enforcement by Skevin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I simply gave up and started to take matters into my own hands.

      I'm creating minor software package called Dolfin, to combat Phishing scams. It just some basic Python with a MySQL backend, and it works like this: I have a huge list of common first names and a huge list of common last names. When I find a Phishing page, I pull up a random last name, a random first name, and create a random 16-digit Visa Number, complete with a random expiration date... plus any other random data a Phishing form might ask for. An endless loop plugs in this data as fast as the associated machine can handle, which, on my semi-disposable 166MHz Pentium, comes out to twice a second.

      What I would love is a means of doing this in a distributed effort/attack. Imagine the look on a Phisher's face when he wakes up one morning and finds out he has to sift through millions of bogus financial records just to find a single legitimate one! If interested write me at s_kevin_5_21@yahoo.com (remove all underscores).

      Solomon Kevin Chang

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  16. Soitainly! by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Informative
    Would someone mind explaining what a "phantom" web site is, as this term appears nowhere in TFA?

    Got an email client which displays HTML email or launches a browser to handle it? I get many spoofs of paypal, ebay and various banks each day, HTML constructed to pull images from valid sources or a coopted server somewhere in the world, which look exactly like or reasonable enough to the untrained to fool you into entering account numbers, passwords, etc., which are actually intercepted and emailed to a box somewhere in the world. Phishers usually just hang around long enough to collect a few ID's and scram.

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  17. Re:Let's implement some ideas by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Have the website require the PIN to be entered before using the site.
    Dear Subscriber, You are receiving this email because we need to update your records. Please click on the link below and enter your name and PIN......

    You get the idea. Not to mention that nobody will shop at a site that requires a secureID card number to be entered.
  18. Re:Let's implement some ideas by MikeyVB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Holland online banking is almost that.

    My bank card has a smart card on it, which not only can I use for "instant" money purchases at vending machines and such, but also as a security feature for my online banking.

    You get a little device the size of a small calculator that you put the card in, punch in your pin code, and then enter an 8 didget number from the online banking web page (that you get after you sign in with your bank card number). The little gadjet then returns a response code that you use to log in to your online banking.

    So for someone to use your online banking, they not only require your pin, but they also have to phyically have your bank card.

  19. Networks of mindless get-rich-quick folk by Audigy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course online fraud doesn't end with merely collecting credit card numbers.

    Next, a network of illdoers must convert this stolen cash into something much less traceable. They enlist the help of folk running a variety of instant messenging programs.

    Why, just this morning I received this gem on ICQ:

    268-919-230 (9:13 AM) :
    Hi there! where you disappeared?!
    268-919-230 (9:13 AM) :
    yes, I haven't been here for long, too - was busy working on Alfa Trans
    268-919-230 (9:14 AM) :
    by the way, I'd recommend you to check it, too. You can find company url in my about info.

    The URL in this guy's (bot's) info is http://www.alfa-trans.com which appears to be an elaborate money laundering and courier service masquerading as a legit business. They "hire" "managers" to distribute this stolen stuff around the globe and pay them a percentage of runs completed, or money transferred. Very crafty, and sometimes very appealing to the poor college student who has no balls to apply for a local McJob.

    Of course the joke's on the hapless student when the guys in black suits come a'knockin'.

    Greed will always prevail, and I feel that it will be impossible to educate everyone about this kind of stuff... after all, as long as one or two suckers buy into every mass mailing, spam will continue, because there's money to be made.

    Does anyone know of any type of employment I could pursue involving tracking online fraud? It fascinates me immensely. :)

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  20. Re:Let's implement some ideas by sedna · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Even easier method:

    Register an E-mail address with the credit card company. When an on-line purchase is made, a verifiaction mail is sent to you. Click on the link in the mail and the purchase goes through, othervise call customer relations...

  21. Re:Classic Phishing Scam by lysander · · Score: 3, Informative

    you'll look like less of a punk if you cite your references.

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    GET YOUR WEAPONS READY! --DR.LIGHT
  22. phishing the phishers by tsu+doh+nimh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    the story suggests the scammers are just as busy scamming each other. my favorite quote:

    Marcus Sachs, a former cyber-security adviser to the White House who now directs the Bethesda, Md.-based SANS Internet Storm Center, said that if the information posted by the IRC channel operators is legitimate, then they are likely working with people on the inside at the major credit card issuers.

    But Sachs said he suspects that by "verifying" credit card information posted by other chat room members, those running the IRC channels are more interested in scamming the phishers. "As evil as it all sounds, the people who know what they're doing in this area operate their phishing scams like a business," Sachs said. "They learn from their mistakes, they outsource, they consolidate, and they cut costs by automating things. But most of all, they profit by any means available."

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    ...because you never know who you're dealing with.
  23. Re:Let's implement some ideas by Nessak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, SecureID costs a fair amount now, but I suspect more people then you think would be willing to pay for it. (I would have no problem paying $50/yr to know someone can't steal my CC number or PIN.) Not to mention the price would decrease if millions of Americans had one as opposed to the somewhat limited usage right now. And considering how many millions of dollars banks and credit companies lose to such scams, they might be getting to the point where it is cheaper to issue ScecureIDs (or something similar) then lose the money due to ID thefts.

  24. Inverse correlation with bank robberies by funkmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently had some homeless fellow steal my trash before garbage day. Normally this wouldn't concern me, but one of bags was full of credit card receipts that I was not able to shred because my shredder stopped working. Many merchants here in Canada still print the full credit card number of the receipt, so I thought it would be best if I canceled the card. I called up my bank manager and somehow we got to talking about phishing. She told me that there is an inverse correlation between the frequency of armed bank robberies and incidents of money stolen through successful phishing scams. I googled for some web site with this information, but could not anything. Apparently bank robbers are starting to realize that it is easier to phish than to rob a bank. I think it is going to get much worse before it starts getting better.