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Solaris 10 Released
AusG4 writes "Sun Microsystems has released Solaris 10 for both SPARC and Intel/Opteron. Downloading it is the usual 'register and get your free license' meandering; the Intel/Opteron version is 4 CDs and an optional language and companion disc (a bunch of pre-compiled GNU software in pkgadd format, I'm assuming, same as Solaris 8 and 9)."
and the best place to get your Sun hardware: Anysystem.com
Everyone around here keeps saying that Apple should get out of the PPC business and get into licensing OSX for the Intel x86 procs. They argue that selling the software is more lucrative than selling the hardware.
I think that Sun is providing us with a very good example of the opposite being true. Even though they literally give their product away for free, they still make money on their hardware. Apple would be fools to give up the high-margin hardware market and try to compete toe to toe with Microsoft Windows.
Solaris is no longer available for "SPARC" systems, only UltraSPARC systems. It no longer supports sun4m or sun4d.
GNOME is now official Solaris GUI, so you don't have to tire your eyes with CDE.
:wq
See, this is the best way to distribute an OS.
Give away the OS, sell apps instead. (You listening, Microsoft?)
Thing is, when you buy XP you get pretty much all a regular user wants already. You got Wordpad which is good enough to read/write docs, Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and MSN Messenger to do your stuff online, a nice picture viewer, media player..(i know you also get plenty of spyware/virus with the above programs but you can get free non-MS replacements anyway)
So how is Microsoft supposed to make money from selling apps to home users then?
Sample this!
I'm really curious what the license limitations are. That is - can I use it for commercial purposes? Can I modify / reverse engineer it? Can I redistribute it?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
And if you really, seriously want to do it, for the love of God check the hardware compatibility list and save the rest of us a million questions about why Solaris won't work on your PC. Simple - if the hardware's not on the list, Solaris won't work with it! Really! Sun's not lying in their document.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Portage on Solaris? NetBSD pkgsrc already provides 5,300 packages ready to build on Solaris.
-Install Solaris
-Install gcc
-Install pkgsrc
-'make install' your desired package
-Enjoy
Can I install this version without killing my other operating systems?
Currently I'm using a UML provider for my website / email / etc. I will be very interesting to see if Solaris 10 Zones perform better. If they do ISPs might provide more power per $.
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A new operating system every year but software that can't be ported is the still the main problem. Why don't you people realize this. It's the software that is the problem . The software vendors are targeting only a few distributions. Windows .
Ulrich Drepper posted this to the libc-alpha (Glibc) mailing list today. "Some people might have heard about Sun's release of the Solaris sources under their dubious license. This license is obviously intended to be incompatible with the GPL. Therefore:
Nobody who intends to contribute to glibc must look at anything but the public header files of the Solaris libc and related libraries.
(Emph. mine) Don't fall for the Solaris trap!
Funny. I started downloading this yesterday, after being prompted to try Solaris10 by an ad at the top of slashdot.
That same ad is at the top of the page now.
In fact, I have seen it a LOT the last several days.
once you go slack, you never go back
I've never understood the significant advantages of branded *nixes over BSD and linux.... My school runs Solaris, and I find it to be a solid *nix, but why would anyone pay (a large sum of) money for it?
Traditionally the branded *nixes have been more stable than Linux, performed better especially on large multipro systems, been guaranteed to work practically 100% of the time on certified hardware, been better tested and not on the OS using public like Linux still is to a large extent. Furthermore, with the big brands, if you have a mysterious bug or kernel panic you get a number to call and somebody works on it 16 hours a day till the bug is fixed. I can vouch for that last part, I used to do it for a living with a major Branded *nix. I will freely admit, however, that Linux is catching up with the branded *nixes. It has practically killed them off on most stand alone workstations and it is eating into the small to medium server market which is probably also why Sun is doing this.
Only to idiots, are orders laws.
-- Henning von Tresckow
Sun simply isn't making the money that you think it is.
Trust RedHat? More than Sun. All of RedHat's products are published under the GPL. The license is Free, as in speech. I can even download the SRPMS if I wish, without paying them a dime.
Sure, I need to pay for support for each copy I run, but there's other distros out there that will run most anything RHEL does if they piss me off enough. Fedora is also a RedHat sponsored project, and for that they don't really care how many machines I, as an end user or developer, deploy. They appreciate the bug reports I send them though.
If the app I want is only certified on RedHat, it's a commercial app, and I might as well use Solaris if I'm going the proprietary route anyway.
Maybe I am being paranoid, but I can't shake the feeling that Sun is "playing the OSS game" - they don't want to participate in the community, they're playing games to see how much of the OSS community's strength they can steal.
When will I trust them? When they either GPL Open Solaris or make it plain as plain can be that they will not use thier patents against any OSS developer - even RedHat.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
Fix it how?
I use the KDE packages from blastwave.org and haven't had any problems.
Cheers,
Roger
Do you have any better hostages?
Maybe I missed something, or you guys are smoking something, because I downloaded Solaris 10 from the Sun site at the end of November.
You downloaded 'Solaris Express', which is a kind of rolling beta release they put out. What the article links to is the real deal release version.
from their faq
sucks if you don't have supported hardware
Solaris is a server-class OS that was never intended to run on the kind of commodity hardware most people have in the box on their desk. That said, maybe now it's open source people will start writing and contributing drivers.
I have OpenVMS media, and machines to run it on, i've just never been able to sign up for a license... Most of the user groups i had to join required a fee, the one i found that i could join wouldn't let me download the openvms license..
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I just bought an Ultra 5 (270Mhz, 128Mb RAM, new Seagate 120Gb disk) as a learning tool and fileserver, and I'm keen to give the new OS a go. Is anyone running Solaris 10 on an Ultra 5 or Ultra 10? Is it painfully slow? How much RAM does it _really_ need?
If anyone could give me some guidance as to whether or not I can upgrade and still have a usable box, it would be greatly appreciated (I'm sure I'm not the only one either).
To what extent is the type of story that slashdot publishes influenced by the amount of revenue that can be generated by banner advertising related to that story ?
(Just noticed the big sun.com advertisement at the top of the homepage)
I'd like to comment on how the new Solaris 10 is actually quite a treat to use.
/home for a new user. Some weird error, I tried it as root. Don't have the error on me, but if anything ran into this and knows the fix I'd appreciate some feedback. ?
I installed it on VMware GSX 3.1 as a guest on Gentoo Linux Host OS with little trouble.
I gave the system 128 megs of ram to play with - I'm running 4 other VMs at the moment for development purposes so my development server needs a bit more RAM.
I got to say, the new Java desktop is dead sexy, uses a lot of Gnome applets and programs. They have borrowed a lot from that gear, and also some the GNU tools now come standardly installed.
A full install didnt seem to install SSH as a service, nor Telnet but that could be for my setup and selection process. I didnt select a fine tune, just install-all.
I couldnt get the GUI setup to work, although this could be for my setup, the GUI setup requires 96megs of ram or more, and I did provide 128 meg in the VM so not sure whats going on there. However, the text install works fine. I am exporting the Vmware Console over an X client running on my Windows workstation so maybe it doesnt like something there - not sure. My other VM's havent complained thus far.
Oh yeah I told a friend about Sol 10 is now ready so he downloaded it also, he was able to get the GUI install to work and said its awesome. Mentioned that you can browse the Internet whilst the OS is installing. Reminds me some Linux installs that let you play games whilst its chugging away.
I was a bit disappointed that cc compiler doesnt work straight out of the box with the 'full install', it needed some other program or library it was whinging about and I havent bothered to look it up.
The default shell is csh (?), but amazingly enough bash is installed by default.
For some reason I couldnt create a home directory under
Well I only installed it 2 days and I havent really given it a run for its money. But do hope to start playing with it more soon.
When I used Solaris (few years back) the first thing I built on it (after adding gcc and tools) was WindowMaker.
Ultra60 with a GB of ram and WindowMaker makes a nice quick workstation
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Now what exactly is the problem?
Also, Solaris is the Sun Branded Product. OpenSolaris is the Open source Solaris. Further down the track, Solaris (the Sun Branded Product) will be sourced from a snapshot of OpenSolaris.
Please don't fall victim to the conspiacy theories.
Tp.
There are folks out there buying Apple hardware because they are more comfortable with a UNIX-like operating system. They want a system capable of interfacing with all of their various Linux and Unix boxes with built-in ability to run X11 (or some variant thereof). They also realize that they work in a corporate environment where MS Office is King, and may have been burned in the past with OpenOffice not handling all MS documents properly.
Some folks may also value the XCode suite as a development environment.
There are some heretics that may even believe that the Apple is the current power tool for a person that has to live in both the Windows corporate environment and the Linux/Unix world of servers, clusters, and simulations.
These folks may be willing to pay a premium for hardware that works and works well without a lot of fuss. The attractive interface, sexy boxes, and secret-society appeal are just added bonuses.
The "x86" branding is because it covers the x86 instruction set i.e not just 80386,80486,Pentium, Intel Celeron or AMD Athlon or Cyrix or whatever else emulates it.
Solaris 10 x86 supports 64 bit in the same way that SPARC does, with architecture specific modules depending what kernel you boot. If you boot "kernel/unix" you get generic 32-bit x86 architecture kernel. If you boot "kernel/amd64/unix" you get 64 bit goodness on Opteron and EMT64.
I have been running it 64 bit on an Athlon 64 notebook for some weeks now.
"If everybody is thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking" - Gen. George S. Patton
I just started downloading the first CD and it's giving be a whopping 5 kilos per second. This is why bittorrent was invented, so hopefully some nice torrent site has Solaris 10.
The initial release of Solaris 10 is 32-bit only on x86, so you'll have to wait for release of a later version.
This isn't. AMD64 support was integrated into Solaris Express late last year. The same OS covers both IA32 and AMD64, just as how Solaris 9 on UltraSPARC supported both 32bit and 64bit machines. Solaris has been doing multi-ABI support transparently on UltraSPARC for quite a while now, and it transfers nicely to S10.
This is actually one area where Linux distributions lag behind Solaris. I dont know of any distributions which handle x86/x86-64 multi-ABI support cleanly. Debian is a pure x86-64 port, with chroot hacks to install and run x86 libs+binaries (apt doesnt do multi-abi very well yet). Fedora x86-64 tries to do multi-lib, but gets it wrong in places too, least FC2 hadnt fully split packages up for x86-64/noarch/x86 and it was far too easy to get conflicting installs of files from x86_64 and x86 packages.
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
I have a beta build running on an iBook G4 under VPC 7, which is explicitly "not supported" by VPC. Took a while to install...
With each Solaris release, Sun stops supporting older hardware. Does anyone know where Sun has tucked the latest list?
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
Solaris 10's release is "READ MY LIPS" 3 months old!!
No, that was theat was the "express" release - a preview or release candidate. This is the full release.
Uhhhh, because this is the final release version of Solaris 10. Previously it was only available as a beta.
;)
I read your lips and you were still wrong.
I've got a bunch of nice V240's and some of the new dual-core V490's to deploy. I'll beta 10 for a little while. Not because I don't think it's ready for prime time. Lot's of vendors beta test on their users (COUGH Micros~1, COUGH IBM), but there are a lot of really cool additions to the Solaris OE this time around, and I want to get used to everything.
Specifically ZFS (Bad ass journaling FS, capable of multiple TB's), Grid Containers (think quasi-VMWare for resource partitioning), and of course the nice TCP/IP enhancements.
IF YOU'VE DOWNLOADED "SOLARIS 10" before late late last night, you got a RELEASE CANDIDATE, and not the full RELEASE. Go download the release.
I'm downloading the dtrace source from OpenSolaris and havin fun today.
Unless you are talking about Linux, IBM already had the enterprise. AIX is the enterprise OS and it's pretty darn good. Support for LPAR's, very good SMP support, HACMP, HAGEO, and 64 bit support. IBM can brign this all to Linux, but they have to fight the SCO monkey yet.
Gorkman
Nope not in the initial release. Should come out in an update. Spring? Summer? Veritas is pricey alright - but some of its features already are in Solaris with UFS even before ZFS. Take a look and see if you really need it anymore
blastwave.org is a good alternative to buying compilers -- they have gcc in pkg format
Does anyone know of any Intel-based production servers using Solaris 10? I'd love to see some heavily loaded hardware and hear how they like Solaris 10, especially if they run Java (applications/servers) on it.
Anyone know any such stories/examples?
Thanks.
Simpy
http://blastwave.org pk-get kde 3.3.1 you name it, it's there
Forget about Intel-based hardware. What about selling OS X to other hardware companies that want to build PPC-based hardware? Apple hardware is sweet, but I'm sure many business and some home users would like more options, more configureable towers, and an alternative to the current bleach-white ugliness. I know in the past this resulted in Apple losing market share to the clone makers, but I think things are different now. With the Mini, Apple has proved they can still innovate. There is a bigger server market to compete for, and OS X Server is a competitive product - it would be even more competitive if customers had a variety of server manufacturers to choose from. Of course, Apple would take a hit if it still insisted on an unreasonable profit margin per unit.
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