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How to Take Over a Train Station

ThinkComp writes "Everyone knows that home wireless networks are insecure, but who would expect a major transportation hub to be vulnerable to the same problems? Well, waiting for my friend's train at South Station in Boston, MA, I happened to notice that it was possible to take control of the entire station's wireless network, including its home page and authorization method (free wireless, anyone?)--and those of thirty other businesses throughout Massachusetts, thanks to a few coding errors on the part of the wireless company with which South Station contracted."

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  1. wireless is insecure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    News at 11.

    1. Re:wireless is insecure? by krisp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, this shouldn't be news anyway. When you can get control of the arrival/departure boards and track switch control from your laptop on the wireless, then it will be news. Until then, the title is misleading!

    2. Re:wireless is insecure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh damn its 12 where I am... Did I miss anything?!

    3. Re:wireless is insecure? by Colven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know, I think it's news. I create very similar sites, so hearing about things like this is extremely helpful to my practices. And it could serve as a wake-up call to others who might be slacking.

      And, if their web site is that insecure, what makes you think their other systems (electronic and other) aren't similarly flawed?

      Regardless, what I would really like to hear is the behind the scenes stories from all companies involved.

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    4. Re:wireless is insecure? by Talinom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And it could serve as a wake-up call to others who might be slacking.

      I wish I could believe that.

      What will probably happen is they get hacked and any problems that arise will be considered a terrorist act. The company will get all sorts of sympathy from the unknowing public while the perp goes to federal "pound him in the ass" prison and owes $4 Billion in damages. The CEOs of the company will denounce the act, get fat bonuses, jump ship, and might even throw a quarter at the problem on their way out the door.

      But I feel that last part is overly optimistic.

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    5. Re:wireless is insecure? by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man, we have GOT to do this! I can't wait to see how many tickets are sold to Pussyhump, RI or Shithouse Falls, SD.

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    6. Re:wireless is insecure? by cgenman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I happened to notice that it was possible to take control of the entire station's wireless network,

      That's great. Can you wait until after I get to work on Monday before you do this? Thanks.

  2. Google HTML version available :) by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here :)

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  3. That's a stupid question by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone knows that home wireless networks are insecure, but who would expect a major transportation hub to be vulnerable to the same problems?

    Well, would you expect railroad company employees to be any smarter about computer things than your average Joe Blow surfing the innurnet down the street?

    I'd be more surprised to find open hubs around, say, Linksys buildings. But then again, only slightly more surprised, mind you.

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    1. Re:That's a stupid question by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WTF? I would expect the IT Department of any given company to be smarter about computer things than your average Joe Blow. Who do think installs this stuff, the CEO, a secretary perhaps, maybe the cleaners?

    2. Re:That's a stupid question by imogthe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So would I. And I would expect a policeman to know the law to the lette and a doctor to know everything there is to know about the human body. I would expect the meter maids to never get a parking ticket and a chef to always make fantastic food.
      But guess what? All these people are like you and me. Yes, better educated within their particular field but still as fallible(?) as any other person. A cop on the beat will not know about IP law. A doctor will have specialised in a particular field of medicine. Anyone could misjudge the meter and the guy with the hot dog stand could serve you food that will kill you.
      Until recently I (kind of) had all these expectations. That changed when I started my education as a network engineer and looked into doing practice work with the university IT department. Know what? They are just regular guys. They go for a pint after work on a friday. They do normal stuff all the time and they are not ubermensch as we like to think. Not all companies can afford to employ the cream of the crop in all departments. After all, a company's main purpose is to MAKE MONEY. Everything else comes second. This includes the computers and IT infrastructure. If 10Mb ethernet can do, it will have to do and if an unsecure wi-fi access point can do, I suppose it will have to do too.

      I suppose my point is that you may not be too far off saying the cleaners were involved in the IT rollout. In the real world we all wear many hats, some better fitting than others.

    3. Re:That's a stupid question by timeOday · · Score: 5, Informative
      They wouldn't let just anybody in the control room at Paddington station in London, would they?
      This is irrelevant. Nobody took over a train station; the story title is a lie. All they did was circumvent the payment system for wifi internet access and avoid paying an hourly fee for internet access. The fact that this was at a train station has nothing to do with the story, except making it read better.
    4. Re:That's a stupid question by WinterpegCanuck · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Who do think installs this stuff, the CEO, a secretary perhaps, maybe the cleaners?"

      Unfortunatly, yes. At the downtown offices of one of the clients I support, one of the corner office managers setup an out-of-the-box secured Linksys so he would not have to plug in his ethernet to his laptop. It wasn't until two weeks later that I discovered the device while troubleshooting connectivity issues. Since he plugged it directly to the ethernet port in his office and the switches in this location (it is only a small sattelite office) do not discern based on mac addresses, our corporate network was exposed to all the downtown neighbours, including the local Chamber of Commerce. If I had not stumbled on it by chance, I would not have known the exposure until it was too late.

      The biggest security hole in networks sits between the keyboards and chairs.

    5. Re:That's a stupid question by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great logic there. "Expert X isn't perfect, therefore they're no better than the average idiot." This is just bizzare.

    6. Re:That's a stupid question by biglig2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, but this is incredible piffle.

      I don't expect my doctor to know everything about the human body, but I'd expect him to have a certain degree of basic competence. If he asks me to remind him which is the leg and which is the arm, I'm out of there.

      Connecting a wifi network in a public place to the machine you do your credit card authentication to is incredibly stupid, even without leaving default passwords in place.

      BTW, do we know that it is the IT department that put this in, and not someone plugging an unoffical wifi point under their desk? I've seen people do that before.

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    7. Re:That's a stupid question by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great logic there. "Expert X isn't perfect, therefore they're no better than the average idiot."

      The average idiot couldn't set this thing up in the first place. These idiots were special.

      Laypeople aren't that dangerous because they aren't that trusted. It takes an expert or professional making a small mistake on somthing very important to really cause a problem.

      He was just saying the proverbial "noone's perfect"

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    8. Re:That's a stupid question by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would expect the policeman to attempt to stop someone running down the street with an automatic rifle.

      I would expect the doctor to wear gloves and mask for his and my protection.

      I would expect the meter maid to see that the needle is in the red.

      I would expect the chef to ensure that the vegetables are clean? (That one's a stretch, but so was yours =)

      Securing a publicly-accessible portal (wireless or otherwise) should be basic knowledge. Perhaps not the method itself, but knowing that a method needs to be found and used.

    9. Re:That's a stupid question by coreymichaelbarr · · Score: 2, Informative

      In some places, especially smaller businesses, it is the secretary or office manager that also handles the IT. Usually that means buying computers from Dell when the time comes, or calling the outside IT vendor to troubleshoot the e-mail. But not always -- I work in a highrise building and I would be the one to either work with a vendor to set up a Wifi hotspot in the building, or to do it myself. Either way, I would have to use my limited knowledge to either do it or to double-check the work of the vendors.

      How did I end up with this? Well, it's simply because as the office manager guy, I happen to know more about computers than the people that know more about the plumbing/HVAC/etc. in the building. That doesn't automatically make me an expert. And even if I outsourced it to a vendor, it doesn't mean they'd deliver a solution where I could verify its security via obscure exploits that I don't know how to use.

  4. Decisions, decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should you not tell anyone and get free wireless for life, or just goatse everyone?

    1. Re:Decisions, decisions by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He may as well tell us before the funny-looking folks in the white Crown Vics parked in his street come to invite him for a friendly chat...

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  5. They're coming by Jonathan+the+Nerd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please remain where you are. The Department of Homeland Security has already pinpointed your location, and agents will be arriving shortly. Resistance is futile.

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    1. Re:They're coming by mincognito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The password cracking might be illegal but I don't see any illegality in accessing "hidden" directories. If you fail to secure your network the line between legal and illegal access evaporates.

    2. Re:They're coming by Dog's_Breakfast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Common sense would agree with you, but the law doesn't necessarily. Under the DMCA, looking at something you're not supposed to is a crime. The guy appears to be a good citizen - he tried to report the problem, but no one would listen. Now that he's gone public, don't be surprised if the legal beagles hunt him down and prosecute without mercy. Let no good deed go unpunished. Don't you feel so much safer knowing that we can fill the jails with "dangerous" criminals like white hat hackers? We'll only be really safe when everyone is in jail. Just keep repeating to yourself that we need laws like the DMCA, Patriot Act, and software patents to keep us free.

  6. Illegal access by bloo9298 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Summary: here's documentation of my illegal access to a system, please prosecute me, thanks.

    1. Re:Illegal access by jdreed1024 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Summary: here's documentation of my illegal access to a system, please prosecute me, thanks.

      Well, I was totally on his side until the "I changed the access mode from 'credit card' to 'free'". That's bullshit. I know he immediately changed it back, but that's wrong. Nothing gives him the right to do that. Surely bringing up the admin page was enough to be able to contact the admins and tell them they fucked up. Before he did that, he might have had a chance of claiming complete innocence.

      It's like the the people who abused the ATMs in New York after 9/11. When they made the first withdrawal and saw that their balance didn't decline, they should have called the bank and reported it. Nothing gave them the right to keep making withdrawals. If I leave me door unlocked, it may make me an idiot, but it doesn't give some dude the right to come in to my house, and take something and walk out the door, even if you come right back in and put it back.

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    2. Re:Illegal access by dustmite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Awfully alarmist, but I don't see how you can equate changing the access mode from 'credit card' to 'free' and immediately changing it back again with continually making withdrawals at an ATM. That's insane. That doesn't mean what he did is correct, but it is certainly NOTHING like "the people who abused the ATMs".

    3. Re:Illegal access by oasisbob · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's like the the people who abused the ATMs in New York after 9/11. When they made the first withdrawal and saw that their balance didn't decline, they should have called the bank and reported it. Nothing gave them the right to keep making withdrawals. If I leave me door unlocked, it may make me an idiot, but it doesn't give some dude the right to come in to my house, and take something and walk out the door, even if you come right back in and put it back.

      More information on post 9/11 ATM Withdrawls
      Press Release from the DAs office

      Fairly interesting story -- one that I hadn't heard before.
  7. hold that thought by silid · · Score: 5, Funny

    no more running for trains - use your ipaq as a remote control for your very own train set.
    and close the doors when you are all the way through

    next stop: home

  8. There is one silly error in an otherwise great art by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...icle: "Unless something is done to force accountability for wireless devices, perhaps by recording ethernet MAC addresses (which are unique and hard-coded to a physical piece of hardware)" ... uh, no they aren't. Most devices allow you to change your MAC with impunity. Others can be hacked to do so, by tweaking their firmware. MAC addresses meant something back in the day when they were hard to change (it's never been impossible) but those days are long gone.

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  9. Re:who did you tell? by mtrisk · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA. He tried to contact the administrators, and was giving the cold shoulder. They even suggested reporting himself to "abuse".

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  10. Re:who did you tell? by AndyL · · Score: 5, Funny

    I recomend telling Charlie. With internet access he could start a Dot Com and finaly earn that nickle he's been needing.

  11. obligatory reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your trains are belong to us!

  12. What a waste of bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This person merely tried common tricks to expose the network settings. Here's a summary:

    1.) Try the default login/password combination and make some educated guesses.

    2.) Look at the source code of web pages.

    3.) Don't be an idiot admin and leave your system wider than your momma.

  13. Not just wireless by fred911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure wifi allowed access to the start page, but the same weakness (lam0r administration) would show up on lets say a wired public terminal. Wifi just makes criminal actions so much harder to catch.

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    1. Re:Not just wireless by utlemming · · Score: 5, Interesting
      With a Laptop, and Knoppix and a tad bit of skill (or some really good scripts) you can really have some illicit fun. Knoppix makes it a whole lot harder to find forensic evidence in case you're caught. All you have to do is drop out the battery and then all the evidence is wiped away (save some circumstantial evidence in the form of a Knoppix cd, and a rebooting computer). If you have the scripts stored in a remote location, ie ftp, then your in for business. Since you don't have any of the stuff stored on disk, and the MAC is so easily changed, it can pretty tough to prove -- they would have to essentially follow you and collect evidence on the signal your sending out. As a previous post said, a good administrator will allow open access that is routed through a proxy server to authenticate. But then you still have problems with keeping the authentication. All I can say is that I hope that I never have to maintain a wirless network and make sure that it is secure. The headache of maintaining a 5 person WPA "protected" WiFi is enough of a headache to make my life difficult enough.

      I just got a Wireless router the other day. What my room mates couldn't understand is why I locked down the router so hard. They were amazed that I had to put the WPA key on all the computers, and why I also did MAC and IP filtering. They just couldn't understand. Although it is not totally secure, hopefully it is enough to keep the dorks out and at the same time allow for wireless inconvience. The last thing that I want to worry about is some dork running around with a laptop and deciding that my internet is his internet and then doing something stupid.

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  14. Why play with HO scale? by vudufixit · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you can play with the real thing?

  15. accountability? by l2718 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Very good article. However, one of the author's ideas for improving security doesn't actually hold water. The problem is to verify the identity of people being assigned dynamic IP addresses on a wireless network. He proposes

    "... to force accountability, ... by recording MAC addresses (which are unique and hard-coded to a physical piece of hardware)"

    Actually, most network cards allow you to set the MAC address by software if the factory one isn't good for you. For example, this is needed for drop-in-replacement functionality.

    1. Re:accountability? by l2718 · · Score: 5, Informative

      By the way, instructions on how to change your MAC address on various operating systems may be found in the wikipedia .

  16. Ah, screw Charlie by Anomalous+Cowturd · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's doomed. If he or his wife can't figure out that she should bring him the nickel instead of a sandwich as the train goes by, he deserves to be stuck down there.

    Besides, the election's over anyway. I don't think Riley won.

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  17. Well? by NoseBag · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did you refund your friend's tickets?

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  18. You are now guilty of terrorism or treason/spy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    unless are a journalist. With patriot act, you are not allowed to expose weaknesses like this in such an irresponsible fashion.

  19. misleading title and rather arrogant, IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This fella just cracked the "wireless" router put in place for patrons; he didn't break into the train station's systems. The title should be changed. Also, his writeup is well, boring (and obvious), like I found a wireless router in a similar state about a year ago in a coffee house. Unlike him, I didn't poke around, I reported the issue directly, called the programmers involved and got them a bit admonished.

  20. Such strange attitudes by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've always found the mentality of computer security experts quite strange. It must be the effect of unix. For those who never had the experience of using a "user" account on a unix box as their sole source of computation, let me explain. Basically you're required to log into the machine. After that you can do anything you want. The unix kernel will ensure that no user can affect any other user unless that user permits it. It's this attitude of "anything that is not denied by the kernel is permitted" that I really don't get.

    At first this wasn't entirely the case. Consider, for example, copying all the files from /usr/bin to your home directory 1000 times. Back in the old days that would be enough to fill up the harddrive which would quickly stop other people from using the system. You could affect other people, the kernel didn't stop you, so it must be allowed right! Well no. You're wasting resources and being an asshole. But rather than put a sign on the wall that said "please don't waste disk space" someone decided this was a "security" issue and implemented disk quotas into the kernel. Now you can't affect other users by using up all the disk space.

    Consider the "fork bomb" issue. For those who don't know, this is just like using up all the harddrive space, except instead of disk you're wasting memory. A fork bomb will quickly bring an older unix machine to its knees, and back in the days when I had the joy of sharing a unix lab with other students, a fork bomb would go off at least twice a day. Why? Cause if the kernel permitted it, it must be ok right? Now there's protections in most kernels just to detect a fork bomb and stop it.

    Such a strange way of thinking. Thankfully most unix users do not try to apply this attitude to the real world. If there were to see the police or the government as some kind of kernel they might be surprised to find that they could kick over granny in the street or go ballistic with an automatic weapon. The police didn't stop me, it must be ok, right?

    Just to bring this long post back on topic: just because you can take over the wireless internet of a train station, doesn't mean you should do it. It doesn't mean that it is permitted. There doesn't need to be a failsafe kernel monitoring and stopping every undesirable action that you can possibly perform. We can live with people being able to break the rules. It's called freedom.

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    1. Re:Such strange attitudes by Technetium+Web · · Score: 2, Interesting

      great comment! this is how i view the world

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    2. Re:Such strange attitudes by gehrehmee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're missing the point.

      It's not about pranks.It's not a question of what the reviewer should and shouldn't do.

      It's a question of what he could do, and therefore what someone with malicious intent could do. Expecting people's actions to just natually blend into the common good is great and all, but it's simply not going to happen. There's a reason for police there's a reason for locks on doors, there's a reason for computer security, and there's a reason I don't leave my lunch out when my cat is in the room. Somebody's going to take advantage, and I'm going to get screwed.

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    3. Re:Such strange attitudes by OG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find it strange that you find it strange. In the reality I inhabit, there are people all over the place who are ready to take advantage of a situation because they see fit. Not everyone has the same set of ethics you do, and it's only smart to try to protect yourself and your property. Some scientists even theorize that nature keeps a certain number of those people around to help maintain a balance. You may be ready for a utopian world, but most other people on our planet aren't.

    4. Re:Such strange attitudes by putaro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The author raised good points - not only is the system insecurity a problem for the owners but also, in all likelihood, it is a problem for all of the users because if you use the system the way you're supposed to and pay with your credit card the database for the credit card is probably accessible.

      Every type of security involves a series of compromises between risk and effort. Most businesses keep their cash in a cash register with someone watching it, not in an open box next to the door.

      The result of people being able to "break the rules" in computer security is not freedom but chaos. Viruses, malware and spyware are all the result of other people being able to break YOUR rules in YOUR computer (well, I assume you have a rule against people doing naughty things on your machine).

      Being able to break "laws" is what freedom and responsibility are about. Having mechanical enforcement of all of our laws would be called a police state. Having locks on your doors is not.

    5. Re:Such strange attitudes by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you lock your front door? Leave your keys in the ignition? If you really don't understand the attitude, and are not merely saying that for the sake of a post, then you don't lock your front door and you do leave your car keys in the ignition (without locking the car doors).

      It is certainly not permitted for random strangers to enter your house or drive your car, so why worry about locks? Leaving doors unlocked and car keys in the ignition is much more convenient.

      I suspect you understand this attitude far more than you pretend. And no, the attitude of most users is not that you can do these things if it isn't physically prevented -- just as most people are basically honest and won't trespass or steal your car. It's the few assholes you have to be on guard against. Recall the price of freedom.

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    6. Re:Such strange attitudes by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful


      It's a question of what he could do...

      There's a reason for police there's a reason for locks on doors, there's a reason for computer security, and there's a reason I don't leave my lunch out when my cat is in the room. Somebody's going to take advantage, and I'm going to get screwed.


      If this isn't the largest piece of FUD I've seen this month, I don't know what is. Good god man, it's just wireless internet access. Get a grip. There's no magic train derailing webapp on the website. The ticketing isn't tied into the system. It's about as harmless as some idiot flooding the bathroom at the train station. A pain in the ass? Absolutely. A reason to start wondering in deeply fearfull tones "what could he do? Umm.. no.

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    7. Re:Such strange attitudes by nacturation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If this isn't the largest piece of FUD I've seen this month, I don't know what is. Good god man, it's just wireless internet access. Get a grip. There's no magic train derailing webapp on the website. The ticketing isn't tied into the system. It's about as harmless as some idiot flooding the bathroom at the train station. A pain in the ass? Absolutely. A reason to start wondering in deeply fearfull tones "what could he do? Umm.. no.

      Considering that he was able to obtain a list of usernames and passwords as well as change the prices charged for WiFi access -- anything from "Free" to perhaps hundreds of dollars per hour -- he could have either caused the station to lose revenue or, at worst, jacked up the price, use others' login accounts, and maybe their credit cards would have been automatically billed without them knowing.

      Did you even RTFA?

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    8. Re:Such strange attitudes by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not about pranks.It's not a question of what the reviewer should and shouldn't do...There's a reason for police there's a reason for locks on doors, there's a reason for computer security, and there's a reason I don't leave my lunch out when my cat is in the room.

      It's all about what you should and shouldn't do.

      Understand something: Police aren't around (at least in the US) to PREVENT crime, they're there to respond after the fact. Locks don't prevent theft; they merely deter the casual person from entering a space, or making off with a bike, or a laptop, etc. Anyone who's determined to do something can usually find a way to do it.

      You might be surprised to learn that most physical security isn't really about preventing unathorized access, it's about deterring people from trying. Security guards aren't some super-vigilant breed of human that can focus their attention on every detail of a situation for extended periods of time. They might be looking around with a suspicious expression (if they're really gung-ho, and not reading a magazine), but they're almost definately thinking about something unrelated.

      So why do we expect better from software that's been written by people? If someone wants to gain access to a system, they will. It's all about posturing and setting up an interface with a "secure feel," just like the security gate at a building. Sure, you don't just leave the gate open and let the guard leave the station unattended, but there comes a point where you're expending more resources by keeping a facility secure than you stand to lose by having the facility compromised.

      I'm not trying to make excuses for wanton disregard of basic practices.. there's no point in having a gate if you have no fence after all. But to expect any security to be bullet-proof is being unrealistic.

    9. Re:Such strange attitudes by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Considering that he was able to obtain a list of usernames and passwords as well as change the prices charged for WiFi access -- anything from "Free" to perhaps hundreds of dollars per hour -- he could have either caused the station to lose revenue or, at worst, jacked up the price, use others' login accounts, and maybe their credit cards would have been automatically billed without them knowing.


      Holy smokes! Call the fire department!! Why does everyone get all hopped up whenever CCs are involved, as if this is the ultimate security breach and CCs normally have tight security sit in steel vaults until a computer or the internet comes along? On a daily basis you give your CC to all kinds of different businesses and low paid employees. Any one of which could get your CC # and bill it for whatever they want. Compared to normal security breaches that exist every day, this one is pretty minor. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that the GP article was just fear mongering. The whole "what could he do" thread is just scaring people with the unknown. What could he do? Not a hell of a lot.

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    10. Re:Such strange attitudes by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No friend, it is you who is confused. The "locks on doors" analogy has been repeated a number of times. Need I remind you that the article in question is about a public wifi network. "Locks on doors" protect private property. How you can make an analogy between a wifi network at a train station and your CD collection I'll never know. A better analogy is the bathroom at the train station. For a start, they're both at the train station and they're both intended to be used by the public.

      Let's consider all the things you can do in the bathroom to be an asshole. For one, you can flood it. You also can clog up the toilets. You also can break the doors off the stalls. You also can break the taps. Hell, you can make everyone's day at the train station a real hell if you go nuts in the toilets. Now for some reason, regardless of the fact that there's no big beefy security guard monitoring everyone's actions in the train station every instant of the day, the amount of mayhem to be witnessed by the average commuter.

      To bring it back to the wifi network, I'd much prefer it if we didn't have someone sitting at a workstation monitoring every bit of traffic that goes over the network to ensure that no-one is doing anything underhanded. But in the interests of "computer security" we're all too willing to encourage this kind of monitoring, just in case someone is doing something wrong.

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  21. guestBox by Fudge.Org · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ok.

    Well, this is the product:

    guestBOX

    And... this is the company:

    Atlantis Technology Corporation

    So, all that research... and it never occured to you to contact the vendor? Granted, maybe these are so plentiful some re-seller or VAR put in in there... but you didn't make mention of that line of thinking (or was this not the whole PDF?) so.... sorry, that's just sounding a little on the lame side.

    Now, if they scoffed or blew you off at that point, okay maybe... but still. You knew the company from just looking at it. Did you try to contact them? I think that would be more telling than surfing through open Indexing on a web server like a kid curl'ing porn images.

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    1. Re:guestBox by jimmyharris · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if you go to the guestBox site you'll find you can login with username test and password test.

    2. Re:guestBox by philkerr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      and it never occured to you to contact the vendor?

      Whilst i can't speak for the article author, sometimes it doesn;t matter even if you do,

      Just after the Google Exposes Web Surveillance Cams story a while back I came across a camera in an Airport that was wide open pointing at an area that in the UK would have you almost shot for filming.

      I emailed both the airport and TSA to let them know about the security lapse, *nothing was done*. Apart from the auto 'Thanks, well be back in touch' form email I heard nothing back.

      Sometimes you need to take these lapses to other outlets to make the point that a lot of times the people in charge of physical security have absolutly no clue about digital security.

      So, sometimes the best way to expose this cluelessness is to make it open.

    3. Re:guestBox by mboverload · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but how are you supposed to get on Slashdot if it's fixed?

  22. Re:There is one silly error in an otherwise great by molo · · Score: 5, Informative

    BTW, for windows, there is a great tool called MacShift that will allow you to randomize your MAC address. Just make a shortcut and run it before you connect to any wireless network, and you'll have a different one each time. No tracing there.

    -molo

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    Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
  23. Re:Security Risk by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Psst. Read the article. It has zero to do with WPA or encryption. It has to do with bad programing, bad passwords, and general bad administration.

  24. DO GOOD! BE A ROBIN GOOD! by Palal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Using this, set their access to $-100 (Negative 100) per hour, so that you get money every hour instead of having to pay it. This will surely attract business to the station.

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    -Palal
  25. Re:who did you tell? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, it does say he tried to contact Cincinnati Bell, but it says nothing about GuestBOX or the train people.

    --
    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
  26. Re:all these wireless articles.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like a fun time. Pity I'm stuck wardriving in Redmond.

  27. Re:who did you tell? by captnitro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For those who don't get the joke, look here.

    Let me tell you the story
    Of a man named Charlie
    On a tragic and fateful day
    He put ten cents in his pocket,
    Kissed his wife and family
    Went to ride on the MTA

    Charlie handed in his dime
    At the Kendall Square Station
    And he changed for Jamaica Plain
    When he got there the conductor told him,
    "One more nickel."
    Charlie could not get off that train.

    Did he ever return,
    No he never returned
    And his fate is still unlearn'd
    He may ride forever
    'neath the streets of Boston
    He's the man who never returned.

    Now all night long
    Charlie rides through the tunnels
    Saying, "What will become of me?
    Crying "How can I afford to see
    My sister in Chelsea
    Or my cousin in Roxbury?"

    Charlie's wife goes down
    To the Scollay Square station
    Every day at quarter past two
    And through the open window
    She hands Charlie a sandwich
    As the train comes rumblin' through.

    As his train rolled on
    underneath Greater Boston
    Charlie looked around and sighed:
    "Well, I'm sore and disgusted
    And I'm absolutely busted;
    I guess this is my last long ride."
    {this entire verse was replaced by a banjo solo}

    Now you citizens of Boston,
    Don't you think it's a scandal
    That the people have to pay and pay
    Vote for Walter A. O'Brien
    Fight the fare increase!
    And fight the fare increase
    Vote for George O'Brien!
    Get poor Charlie off the MTA.

    Chorus.

    The song is so catchy, it's a shame the guy didn't get elected. Or maybe not, or we'd have elections with theme songs. Wait, we do. Crap.

  28. Re:Thanks for the Warning!! by pretentiousPPC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe somebody shouldn't link to stories using document standards that commonly kill all other processes while the a single page loads and throws up a splash screen, that could of easily been put into HTML not have this problem.

    --
    Artist will always make art.
  29. Tread carefully! by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Tread carefully my friend! You are in the US, where frivolous law suites can be filed anytime, against anyone.

    You will be caught and be fined heavily! Just ask the other teenager how fun sitting in court was. This is not to mention damage to your entire professional life (I assume it exists).

    Slashdotters here might encourge you, but remember that you will be sitting in the dock alone. In other words, you will be answer for YOU. Now before I get modded down, I be to remind whoever might read this that what I am saying is FACT.

  30. Re:this isn't that funnny -- I just reported him.. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've swallowed the Patriot Act and OHS' line all the way, haven't you? There are such laws ... but that doesn't make them right, just or reasonable, nor does it make the story's poster a terrorist or a vandal or anything else. He's really more akin to a passerby that noticed that you had left your premises wide open, and tried to tell you about it. He apparently tried to report the security failure to the responsible parties but was brushed off. So now they are doubly responsible for having the failure in the first place, and then failing to do anything about it when informed.

    By your rather low standard of evidence, it seems, if I accidentally accessed my neighbor's unsecured wireless LAN I should be cuffed and sent to jail? Please. Let's leave the totalitarian laws for the totalitarian nations of the world, and put responsibility where it is due. And apparently he didn't pick the lock ... there was no lock. There may be some expectation of privacy on the part of the wireless LAN's owners ... or there may not. So let's everybody lock our own doors, secure our own LANs, and keep the handcuffs for actual crooks.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  31. Woah There... by zachlipton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While the use of default router passwords is of course stupid, it's important to think about what exactly this situation really is.

    What the author of this white paper really accessed is the admin interface of a wireless internet service provider. With this access, he/she could steal internet service or allow others to do so, or even obtain personal customer data, includingcredit card information, and use it for his/her own gain. While these are of course Bad Things, they really come nowhere close to constituting a national security risk. An inconvenience and a violation of state and federal law, yes, but a national security risk, no.

    What would change things is if it were actually possible to access _train station_ systems through the wireless network. However, these systems are not configured this way. The wireless access is provided by a 3rd party provider that handles only pay-for-service internet access. Anything related to station services or railway control would be handled by its own seperate network. The author of this white paper says nothing to indicate that it is possible to do anything that would touch train station operations or that would be of any use to terrorists in an attack on the "very important" nearby buildings.

    Sounds like a whole lot of nothingness to me...

  32. Of Astroturf and Grandstanding by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ignoring the grandstanding title and the fact that the author astroturfed his own "article" and site, here's a quote:

    A more farfetched, but very real possibility, is that computers or workers at airports and train stations also use these same networks to make everything tick. If that is the case, it might be possible for an intelligent high school student to start changing train timetables or rerouting baggage.

    And his evidence for this is, what? His own personal opinion? He's been watching Hackers too much if he thinks the schedule board at South Station is networked; it's a -flip- chart (seriously, stick around for 5-10 minutes, and watch it update itself). I'd be amazed if it had anything better than a dedicated thinnet connection to an ancient PC. It's not like some kid with mad h@x0r skills is going to go bippity-boop and put up "TRAIN TO FUCKVILLE 4:20". No. That happens in Hollywood, where people "launch the genetic algorithmic viral defenses!". It does not happen in the real world.

    There are a lot of cheap shots and snide remarks aimed at "The Guvmint", "The Man", etc. This guy sounds like he's about 19, not to mention he's just admitted to logging into places he knew he didn't belong AND changing settings (he changed the back, but still...) Sounds like a great federal inditement to me.

    Some googling shows he's in his very early 20's(graduated from Harvard in 2004 in "3 years", which means he's maybe 21 now), runs some consulting company. Sounds like he's just out to promote his business like every other story submitter these days...

    1. Re:Of Astroturf and Grandstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it's a computerized flip chart. If you walk out onto the train platforms, they have TV screens displaying the same information, which are synchronized with Back Bay Station. (North Station also has TV screens, but they use a totally different system. Go figure.)

      That said, your point is right, and it's too bad, if not entirely unexpected, that this guy has too much of an ego. Of course, it would also help if timothy read articles before posting.

    2. Re:Of Astroturf and Grandstanding by pedantic+bore · · Score: 2, Interesting
      On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog...

      A quick Google turns up an interesting story from his undergraduate days at Harvard, when he ran a web site that required that users use the same password on his web site as on their university accounts. Tsk, tsk.

      --
      Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
  33. Re:Thanks for the Warning!! by shadow_slicer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    funny...xpdf doesn't do that on my box. Which kernel version are you running?

  34. Re:who did you tell? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And why the hell should he have? This isn't his problem, or his network. I think he was being generous and responsible trying to inform any of the interested parties. And besides, given the FBI and Office of Homeland Security's utterly irrational (and often ignorant) stances on this sort of thing he would probably have found himself up on terrorist charges for what was basically a Good Samaritan action. He took a risk even trying to inform the phone company about the issue, because it's often easier to just call the FBI and shift the blame onto the individual making the report. "It wasn't us, our network is secure, he must be some kind of genius hacker like you see in the movies." And that is ridiculous, but actually fairly common.

    Imagine you're an admin and somebody reports that you left the entire network wide open, that at least thirty different businesses' private customer data is in a compromisable position, all due to your incompetence. What are you going to do? Admit it? Hardly ... if your boss doesn't know about it you'll fix it quietly, especially if you have no way to tell if anything was taken. On the other hand, if upper management comes down on you, you'll try to deflect the issue to preserve your job. Besides, if the FBI wanted to play this smart, they'd have a truly anonymous hotline where these kinds of things could be reported, and then the FBI (who, after all, can do pretty much whatever it wants to nowadays) could verify the report and notify the organization responsible. Trust me: that would make that train company sit up and take notice in a way J. Random Hacker's report never would. It's gonna happen, people are going to fool around with those nifty new WiFi toys and the vast majority won't do anything to anyone. Criminalizing them isn't going to help. But it will destroy lives that really don't deserve it (if you don't believe me, ask anyone who has taken a journey through the United States Justice System. It's a different world that you're used to, innocent until proven guilty is a distant concept to those people, and even if you are ultimately proven innocent you don't come out the same person.)

    The fault lies with the admin of the network, and if you ignore smart users that try to help, you deserve what happens when a real criminal comes along, downloads and sells all your customers' credit card info and then trashes your network.

    Fact is, laws against what this man did are useless ... worse than useless because crooks (the bulk of whom aren't even in the U.S.) are unconcerned about them, and the honest types who happen to spot something while sitting around bored in a train station will be afraid to report it.

    --
    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  35. Re:moderators: parent post is _not_ informative by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, he contacted Cincinnati Bell, the ISP, because it was their programming error that caused the problem, so he says. In any event, you must live in a rather more totalitarian nation than the U.S. to make comments like that. So, we're going to lock up people who were trying to help because they're smart enough that they might someday do something bad? Or, perhaps, because they did it in a "bragging sort of way" which you personally might find offensive? Not that you know that was the case, anyway. Hell, a lot of the H1B's coming in from India should probably also be thrown in the hoosegow: some of them are damned smart and they, also, might do something bad, someday. Guilty until proven innocent, dispensing with due process ... please. We have enough of that already.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  36. Re:Fork bombs by Silent_Fire · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most systems now limit the number of processes and threads on a per-user basis, meaning that your fork bomb eats up your space, but won't bring the entire system down.

  37. DecNet requires the ability tonchange your MAC by bluGill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The old DecNet required that all ethernet cards have the ability to change their mac address. Part of the protocol, and you couldn't connect to DecNet unless you had the right mac address. (which was changed as part of the network protocol, you normally didn't change this manually)

    Just in case a customer ever tries to use their chipset with DecNet nearly all cards allow, software to change the mac address. Since all current chips have the ability, when designing a modification to the old chip it is easier to leave that ability in than take it out.

    I don't know if anyone in the world still runs DecNet, but it isn't a chance network vendors are willing to take.

  38. mmmkay... by Infinityis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know what I find creepy...not so much what this guy did, but if you look at all the posts proclaiming "This guy is a felon, lock him up" it's almost ALL done by Anonymous Cowards. Makes me wonder who all is doing it. Might just be one guy posting over and over and over, or it could be some hired hands trying to make a statement.

    Either way, I'd like to see a followup to this at some point stating what happens with the guy next:

    "Does he really get arrested, or is he hired on by wireless network providers? Stay tuned to find out!"

  39. Hmm by patryn20 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, it is nice that this guy actually bothered to write this up, but he seems to simply be using a lot of common mistakes and guesswork. On top of that, his knoweledge of some basic concepts in hardware administration and business processes is somewhat lacking.

    First, MAC address are not unique. There is no universal table of MAC's that hardware manufacturers report to. I have installed ethernet cards from the SAME manufacturer that have had the SAME MAC address while setting up machines for a client.

    Second, many of these errors are not necessarily the programmers fault. They are more than likely the responsibility of management being cheap and forcing programmers to do the jobs of multiple people. IT is seperate from software development. The fact that the network and server are insecure is the IT department/person's fault. In small companies this may be the same person, but in most large corporations that is not the case. Directory listing and permissions are generally the responsibility of the server administrator.

    Now, the username issues are definitely scary. Leaving test accounts open with simple passwords is just plain stupid. The company I develop software for has over fifty million dollars worth of data on their servers. We also store credit card info for clients, etc. If we used common passwords like that, we would be fired. The admin would go through the database, see the passwords, and report them to our supervisor. Say goodbye! Not to mention, test accounts on production servers are bad practice anyway. If you are making any money, you are extremely stupid not to have a seperate development environment.

    In my opionion, these problems seem to be more management and implementation problems, and not so much development problems as the author seems to suggest. They are still real problems though. That customer listing one for the phone company really scares me. ::shiver:: I hope SBC in Texas doesn't have problems like that.

  40. Re:There is one silly error in an otherwise great by Black+Acid · · Score: 5, Informative
    Your MAC address is (well SHOULD be) "unique and hard-coded to a physical piece of hardware". It is physically tied to your NIC, and you can not change it. What you can do however is change how it is represented in software, so that the other party never sees your actual physical MAC address, but the idea that you can actually change your MAC address is just plain wrong. Feel free to try, change the MAC, then switch the NIC to another machine and see if it retains the original or altered address.
    Of course, it all depends on the NIC, but I was able to flash my Orinoco wireless card's firmware, successfully changing its MAC address. My address was retained under Linux and Windows, so I assume it was physically changed. (I also was able to upgrade the Orinoco from Silver to Gold encryption, US to Japan frequencies, and change the serial number). Its true that most people who change the MAC really only change it in software, but its definitely possible to change it in hardware as well. Not that there is any reason to...
  41. No they aren't by JumperCable · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Department of Homeland Security,
    We have recently come to our attention that you are using methods of pinpointing locations of individuals that may infringe on our "Latitude/Longetude" techniques (Patent Pending).

    You are hereby ordered to cease & desist all location activity until you have properly licensed our intellectual property rights.

    Yours Truly, -Microsoft Legal Team

  42. Master Key to North Station in Boston by mrs+clear+plastic · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I was a kid, I was able to figure out the locks at North Station in Boston. For those of who who don't know, North Station is the other major train station in Boston.

    Back in the 60's, when the world was a little bit more innocent, I was able to fit a master key to all of the locks in North Station, which was also Boston Garden (the arena for the Boston Celtics and the Boston Bruins).

    I never used the key; in fact I threw it away once I made it. It was only a proof in concept.

    The only thins I make are my wearable art (http://www.allyn.com/ and http://www.clearplastic.com/)

    Locksmithing is no longer fun with all of the security paranoia. I buy my own locks to play with. The only fun thing I do in North Station anymore is to prance around in a leather juck strap and a clear plastic raincoat.

    --
    Cleara
  43. MAC addresses are not immutable! by Jack+Greenbaum · · Score: 3, Informative
    The end of the article suggests that recording MAC addresses is a way to track users on the internet, the author implies they cannot be forged. Hah! Ethernet and wifi devices have to store their MAC address somewhere, and that somewhere when power is on is in a register that is almost always writable by a device driver. Furthermore, since MAC addresses only stay on the physical subnet, there is no was to identify the MAC address from the other side of a router.

    The only way to really track people is by using a transport protocol with authentication. Somehow I don't think the world is ever going to agree on one.

    -- Jack

  44. Its a TRAIN STATION for crying out loud... by MMaestro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not a huge fortune 500 computer company. Why WOULD you need an IT department for a train station? Sure if you're talking about Grand Central Station or some huge hub similar, but for most who cares? Most train stations have to skimp on seating, lighting, cleaning (trains in the U.S. are a pathetic sight compared to European or Japanese counterparts) and other much more important aspects over than hiring an IT professional to run a computer network thats probably smaller than one most /. readers have.

    1. Re:Its a TRAIN STATION for crying out loud... by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gee, let's see, I would expect a train station to have an IT department because I've worked in one. I did a three month project with "Westrail", the government department that manages the trains in Western Australia. There's a big central organisation with a big IT deparment and staff go out to the various stations (easy to get to, just hop on the train) to do IT stuff. Do you really think an individual station is an isolated company?

    2. Re:Its a TRAIN STATION for crying out loud... by Richthofen80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The MBTA (not MTA, which is New York's Public Transit Authority) probably doesn't really even know that the wireless network exists.

      Chances are, the Wireless Internet is a service of Amtrak's Acela Lounge. There is a business lounge with net access and coffee and newspapers, and it probably bleeds over. The name is South Station because that's where it is.

      The MBTA doesn't provide wireless at any other station , to my knowledge. (which i'd like to think is good, I ride the Red Line into South Station every day.)

      Truth is, stations like South Station aren't wholly owned government agencies, like the trains that another poster mentioned in Australia. Its a government and business venture. Amtrak and the MBTA are government-sponsored, but operate independently, as does the management of the major transit points like South Station. The management of South Station or the Acela Lounge / Amtrak group hired a company to set up the wireless, probably just to bring in a few bucks and offer convienence to travelers. This is the same group that collects rent checks from the businesses in the food court, kicks the homeless out of the doorways, and makes sure the escalators never work. Don't expect them to have an IT department. They probably have one or two electricians who fix the arrival/departure electronic systems, but no IT staff.

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  45. Obligatory train joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Three Microsoft engineers and three Apple employees are traveling by train to a computer conference. At the station, the three Microsoft engineers each buy tickets and watch as the three Apple employees buy only a single ticket.

    "How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?" asks a Microsoft engineer.

    "Watch and you'll see," answers the Apple employee. They all board the train. The Microsoft engineers take their respective seats, but all three Apple employees cram into a restroom and close the door behind them. Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket, please."

    The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes the ticket and moves on.

    The Microsoft engineers saw this and agreed it was quite a clever idea. So after the conference, the Microsoft engineers decide to do the same on the return trip and save some money.

    When they get to the station, they buy a single ticket for the return trip. To their astonishment, the Apple employees don't buy any ticket, at all.

    "How are you going to travel without a ticket?" asks one perplexed Microsoft engineer.

    "Watch and you'll see," answers an Apple employee.

    When they board the train the three Microsoft engineers cram into a restroom and the three Apple employees cram into another one nearby. The train departs.

    Shortly afterward, one of the Apple employees leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom where the Microsoft engineers are hiding. He knocks on the door and says, "Ticket, please..."

  46. Dear guestBox employee... by binarybum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's like walking up and jimmying a perfectly good lock.


    huh? since when is L:P admin:admin or South:Station or wifi:wifi considered a perfectly good lock? If you believe that, I have an oragami based home-security system I would like to sell you.

    This is a relatively formal security report - and I certaintly feel that I have right to know that a major wifi network that I might pay to use (with my CC# mind you) is compromised severly in security. Kudos for the publicity - he also mentions that he attempted private contact before writing this paper. Publishing this makes the purpotrater (South Station for acting under the pretention of providing a secure network) and potential victims (customers) very aware of the need to reconfigure the network.
    75 out of 100 people that might have discovered this trick would have left it as "hey cool, free wifi access for me and my buds," another 20 or so out of 100 would have done much worse (we're talkin' goatse on the homepage).
    At worst this was a subtle brag of "L33tness", at best a noble public security gesture.

    and hey, if you lose your job at guestBox over this - I hear Diebold is looking for a few good men...

    --
    ôó
  47. Re:Totally misleading article leadin. by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 2, Funny

    The fact that he did this at a train station is totally irrelevant

    Well, it does make it easier for someone to leave the scene of the crime. :)

    I'm not violating a Patriot Act provision regarding giving assistance in committing crimes by suggesting people could use a TRAIN to leave the TRAIN STATION to avoid getting caught, right? ;)

    --
    Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
  48. Evidence? Who needs it? by Otto · · Score: 4, Informative

    And his evidence for this is, what? His own personal opinion?

    While I agree with you on the fact that he's just speculating at that point, nevertheless a possibility exists for this sort of thing to happen.

    Simple example: I went wardriving through town once. I found a lot of connections of course, but basically I just set the sniffer up on the laptop and drove around slowly. Later, when I got home, I checked out what I had found, and using timestamps I figured out where the different access points I had found were (I lacked a GPS then).

    One of the ones I found was a drugstore. I looked at the raw trace and saw some really odd plaintext there. So I went back and left the laptop in the car while I went in and bought some stuff and took a look around.

    What I found:
    - Their cash registers were all wirelessly linked to some system in the back. When you scanned an item, the barcode was read, transmitted to the machine in the back, which looked up the price and spat it back to the register. Credit card authorization was handled the same way. All this was plaintext, as I looked at the data and found my credit card number as well as barcodes from the items I purchased in there. Didn't understand the formatting, but it wasn't too difficult to see my name and credit card number stand out like a shining beacon.
    - Some kind of prescription transactions were wireless as well. While I didn't get a lot of data of this sort, there were packets containing various drug names, in plaintext, being sent over the air. I'd bet money that insurance information as well as whoever bought the prescription would have eventually gone out in the clear too.

    The point being that security was basically non-existant for something you have a reasonable expectation of being private. I mean, when you design a wireless network to handle credit transactions, you'd think some form encryption would be pretty frickin' obvious, right? Let alone tossing somebody's prescription info out onto the airwaves.

    So while he didn't state you could change the lights and has no idea if you can actually fuck with the trains, the point I think he was trying to make is that clearly security is not at the forefront of the minds of a lot of people for this sort of thing. Admittedly, my drugstore example happened a couple years back, and may have been fixed by now, but this sort of thing happens because people don't think about it being an issue. It's that part that needs to be fixed. Whether any given example can actually be compromised in a serious way is not the point.

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    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  49. Not wireless by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually this is some very basic HTML hacking. He went to their service, which re-directs all new people to their home page. He directory surfed around the web server, and found a few dozen other sites, as well as the company's home page. He tried some very basic password combinations, (like test:test), and got control over some active sites. These sites included customer information and credit card databases.

    So really, the site that served images from an unobfuscated directory allowed the person to know what to look for, the directory was fully listed in a way that directories shouldn't. The passwords were very, very insecure. This had nothing to do with wireless security, but rather web services security, and basic things for security that people don't do.

    The passwords in the article, BTW, no longer function. At least, not form my remote machine. Anyone reading this from South Station wish to see if the passwords still work on-network?

  50. Slashdot bought out by Fox ? by sjf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Excellent piece. Anyone who bothered to RTF(boring,pedantic,condescending)A would quickly see that the headline is a complete fiction. All the author did was exploit a hole in a for-pay Public Access WiFi network. No opportunity to route trains onto otherwise occupied platforms. No threat to a "major transportation hub."

    Just some guy doing trivial guesswork to get free wireless access...that happens to be at Boston's South Station

    Was writing the article his post-priori justification for the service theft ?