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Hardware Reuse Contest Entries Revealed

teqo writes "The outstanding German computer magazine c't had a contest in which they challenged readers to submit their coolest recycling projects for obsolete hardware, and the entries have been revealed to the public now. There is an artsy and a practical category, and although it is in German, the pics make lots of submissions intuitively grokkable." (On the right hand side of the page, click the links beneath "Kunst" -- artistic -- and "Funktion" -- functional.) My favorite is the laptop with a solar-powered backlight.

136 comments

  1. To find the pictures by b00m3rang · · Score: 3, Informative

    Follow the links under 'Kunst' and 'Funktion' on the right side bar.

    1. Re:To find the pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Follow the links under 'Kunst' and 'Funktion' on the right side bar.

      Having to provide instructions on how to use a website is a clear indication that the web designers screwed up.

    2. Re:To find the pictures by alpha_foobar · · Score: 1

      I think you will find that the instructions are required because the website is in German.... its to help us uneducated in the ways of the Babelfish.

    3. Re:To find the pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Having to provide instructions on how to use a website is a clear indication that the web designers screwed up.

      Or that is in German.

    4. Re:To find the pictures by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1
      Das ist sehr interessant, aber ich kann nicht das vehrstanden. Ich brauchst Babelfisch.

      (And now I hear the German Slashdotters laughing at me.)

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    5. Re:To find the pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are there no pictures of Haselhof

    6. Re:To find the pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I die forwards laugh.

  2. My german isn't so good by odano · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only german I know is "Die Bart, Die", and it isn't on the site.

    I'm lost!

    1. Re:My german isn't so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acconding to Babelfish it means "The beard, those".
      Alas, another soul duped into believing Sideshow Bob. Have you learned nothing from watching TV? Do NOT trust clowns.

    2. Re:My german isn't so good by Wwolmack · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Nobody who speaks german could be an evil man"

    3. Re:My german isn't so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sideshow Bob wasn't a clown; he was a sidekick and sometimes straight-man to a clown. He was, at most, a semi-clown.

  3. Hubble by mr+i+want+to+go+home · · Score: 4, Funny
    I see they didn't give a prize to my idea of reusing Hubble as a.....wait for it....

    TELESCOPE!

    1. Re:Hubble by pronobozo · · Score: 1

      Well if you had two, you could make a nice set of binoculars.

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  4. Babelfish translation.. by cmacmanus · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Babelfish translation.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mach quickly the scrap iron! Ja baby!
      Who wrote this translation engine? The German nihilist-nazis from 'Big Lebowski'? ;)

    2. Re:Babelfish translation.. by desplesda · · Score: 1

      "Mach Quickly the Scrap Iron"?

    3. Re:Babelfish translation.. by Flashbck · · Score: 1

      About what does it go when evaluating?

    4. Re:Babelfish translation.. by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      It's a rhyming version of "repair that junk" or an also working translation (MTV-Style) would be "Pimp my junk" :-)

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    5. Re:Babelfish translation.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this amazing movie and I'm a German. I just want to know there the authors got there picture about Germans, I mean this guys in the movie are like early 90s techno music fans, they remember me on my youth and I never doubt that they could be Germans. This nihilist - thing was very German in the 90s, but I never expected it to appear in an us American movie, because the general cliché of a German is a blond Bavarien wearing square pants and eating sausages, a least this appeared in many movies I've seen.

  5. Super Bowl Ad by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My first thought was the Super Bowl Ad close to the end of the game (maybe even right after) in which the kid builds the robot in the garage. Its a Nationwide ad and is hilarious. If you have not yet seen it, watch for it!

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    1. Re:Super Bowl Ad by arnoroefs2000 · · Score: 1

      3rd quarter, see here.

  6. First a DDOS, now a Slashdotting by moonbender · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Poor heise online servers, they just survived days of SYNflooding and now they're being slashdotted.

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    1. Re:First a DDOS, now a Slashdotting by Three+Headed+Man · · Score: 1

      Considering that the equivalent of "being slashdotted" in German is called [being Heise-d] (geheiset werden) I don't think slashdot has much to offer that a DDoS didn't.

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    2. Re:First a DDOS, now a Slashdotting by wertarbyte · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, a slashdotted Server who cannot output a clear page anymore is "heiser" ("croaky")?

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  7. Recycling Ram by Sepper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see that someone else had the same idea... http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55850

    I've been doing this since I had a broken piece... years ago...

    I still have about 15 30pins Simms (Goldstar) left... Anyone want a keychain?

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    1. Re:Recycling Ram by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      That's nothing, I had an AMD 2100+ keychain (still do although the core is now severely damaged.) It's such a perfect keychain, even though it cost $600 at the time I made it (the chip was fried so why just throw it out?)

    2. Re:Recycling Ram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I think that the best thing about that project is its name: Arbeitsspeicherschlüsselanhänger

  8. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this Informative? It's stated right above in the article summary! Or did the "editor" add it in without using an Edit/Update tag?

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont seem to remember seeing it stated in the article blurb when I first clicked on the article if that answers your ?

  9. Re:nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    well if you americans hadn't gotten involved in WW2 you'd all be speaking german now..

  10. Re:nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you mean? I can read it just fine.

    Or did you mean 'understandable'?

  11. Re:nice one by JanneM · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would be easier if the site was actually readable to someone in the United States.

    Not to the intended readership, no. Much easier to read German than English if you are German, you know.

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  12. Hardware Obsolescence by Captoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do they have a precise definition of what constitutes "obsolete hardware?" If they're talking about functional obsolescence, then a calculator may not be obsolete for decades. A CD-R becomes obsolete the moment that someone copies an AOL CD. A Pentium 4 becomes obsolete the moment that it belongs to my grandmother.

    1. Re:Hardware Obsolescence by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 1

      A Pentium 4 becomes obsolete the moment that it belongs to my grandmother.

      If you really want to get of your obsolete P4s, I'll be happy to take them off of your hands for no charge at all. Anything'd be better than my P2, even if it is still obsolete, it's a little less obsolete ;)

    2. Re:Hardware Obsolescence by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 1

      Darn it.... get RID of your P4s....I even previewed....*grumble*

    3. Re:Hardware Obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really want to get of your obsolete P4s

      "get off".

      You do know that that statement can be interpreted in two ways, don't you?

    4. Re:Hardware Obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because your grandmother is so hot, the spaceheater otherwise known as the P4 is obsolete?

      *reminder to self, make sure to hit the "Not logged in" checkbox*

  13. Solar powered backlight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, how much power does this save compared to the computer's total useage? I have never tried to use my laptop in bright enough sun to power its backlight. My question is: how does it not wash out? OK so maybe the answer is there but I totally don't read German.

    How about some way of using ambient light to replace the back light? In that case, the amount of light you get would closely match the amount you need.

    The solar cells the guy is using aren't enough to make much of a dent in the overall power usage but they could put a decent charge on the battery if he didn't use his laptop too much. It reminds me of a solar powered flashlight.

    1. Re:Solar powered backlight! by Captoo · · Score: 1

      When I turn my laptop's backlight all the way down, the battery lasts 2-3 times as long as if it is all the way bright. I would like to have a solar powered display.

  14. Still Life in the Amiga world! by pintpusher · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Still Life in the Amiga world! by EggMan2000 · · Score: 1
      from the babelfish translation:

      Idea: I want play skirt star to become, can however not guitar, but program tracker music. Since skirt star need a guitar, no meal remained for me: Mod tracker f?ger Amiga 500 + guitar neck.

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    2. Re:Still Life in the Amiga world! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want state out that the guy wants to become a rock star.

      Rock star in German is "Rockstar". But the German "Rock" is the skirt in English. And star is star in both languages in the context of show biz.

    3. Re:Still Life in the Amiga world! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Since skirt star need a guitar, no meal remained for me"

      The meal thing is funny, because it is a typo in the original article. He meant "Wahl" (=decision, election) but typed "Mahl" (=Meal).

  15. Pretty Cool by DrKyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I haven't really had the time to browse all of the ideas here, but this one really stands out to me

    RFID and Barcode Beer Fridge
    If looks aren't decieving, you can use this baby to check your beer supply, and maybe even let you check from work to see what you need to pick up on the way home for the weekend.

    1. Re:Pretty Cool by Tr0mBoNe- · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I enjoy the Gameboy universal remote. My meger-translationability does not help much.

      And the Amiga Guitar one is pretty messed. This makes me want to go off and make my old 8086's into more useful fish tanks or laptops.

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    2. Re:Pretty Cool by k4_pacific · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My uncle did something similar to this back in the '70s. His roommates and him shared a keg, and they needed a way to decide hoe much each's share was. He put a switch on the tap handle and connected it to a panel with three keyswitches and three hour-meters like you see on forklifts. Each roommate had a key, which connected the appropriate meter to the tap switch. If someone tried to fill a glass without inserting and turning their key, an alarm would go off. Whenever they'd buy a keg, they would note how far each meter changed since last time and divy up the cost accordingly.

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  16. Article Text in case of Slashdotting: by brilinux · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mach flott den Schrott
    Ihre Meinung ist gefragt: Bewerten Sie die Einsendungen des Recycling-Wettbewerbs

    Mit der Ausgabe 25/04 startete c't Ende November 2004 den Recycling-Wettbewerb Mach flott den Schrott, der die originellsten, schönsten und nützlichsten Konstruktionen aus High-Tech-Schrott belohnen soll. Die wesentliche Teile der Objekte sollen aus gebrauchten Computern oder ausgemusterter Peripherie stammen und sie sollen anders genutzt werden, als der Hersteller sich das ursprünglich gedacht hat.

    Der Wettbewerb hat zwei Kategorien: "Funktion" und "Kunst". In der ersten sollen Werke antreten, die im weitesten Sinne eine technische Funktion erfüllen. Dazu gehören beispielsweise Roboter, Messgeräte, Uhren und Lampen. In die zweite Kategorie fallen alle Werke, bei denen allein der künstlerische oder ästhetische Wert im Vordergrund steht.

    Auf diesen Seiten präsentieren wir die Wettbewerbsbeiträge. Sehen Sie sich um, staunen Sie, lassen Sie sich zum Nachbauen anregen und diskutieren Sie in den Foren mit, die es zu allen Projekten gibt.

    Außerdem bitten wir um Ihre Mitwirkung an der Online-Nominierung der Endrundenteilnehmer. Bewerten Sie jedes Projekt bis zum 18. Februar nach vier Aspekten mit Schulnoten. Dazu finden Sie unter den Objektbeschreibungen jeweils einen Link.

    Die besten Konstruktionen nehmen dann an der Endrunde auf der CeBIT 2005 teil, wo wir sie auch auf dem Stand des Heise Zeitschriften Verlages (Halle 5, Stand E38) ausstellen. (je)

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    I hope that that was immensly helpful to all of you!

    1. Re:Article Text in case of Slashdotting: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No hablo aleman. Ingles, por favor.

  17. Achtung Alles Lootensteepers! by glanois · · Score: 2, Funny

    Vast ist dis? Neiner blinkenlights?

    1. Re:Achtung Alles Lootensteepers! by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      [mode=nitpick]
      It's "Lookenspeepers". The Gothic script version seems to be spelled wrong in a number of places.

  18. My PC recycling thing by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I cut the DIN 5 connector (old style keyboard) and the PS2 mouse connector (MiniDIN 6) off very old obsolete motherboards.
    Then I combine them with a 40 cent microcontroller (AVR Tiny11) to make MIDI tone module controllers from standard PS2 keyboards.
    It works really well. Press the keys, notes go on, release keys, notes off. Just like a piano keyboard but smaller and much cheaper. There are, however, certain key combinations that don't play full chords. I'm not sure if it's the internal keyboard matrix decoding or the microcontroller's firmware.

    1. Re:My PC recycling thing by MistabewM · · Score: 1

      Care to link this?

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    2. Re:My PC recycling thing by arminw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We were still using a Mac SE30 (from 1989) as an answering/fax machine but "upgraded" it a year ago to the present Color Classic (made in 1993) running System 7.5.1 so we could access it over the local network. The Classic running 24/7 is also used to allow an old Apple Laserwriter (which still works just fine) with only an Appletalk interface to be accessible via ethernet. The answering/fax function is provided by a DoveFaxPlus 2400baud modem. I wonder if this setup would qualify for a prize?

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    3. Re:My PC recycling thing by rho · · Score: 1

      You can put an SE/30 on the network too. Look on ebay for ethernet cards for the SE/30. You can even get ethernet cards for the old Mac SE. (I had one in the kitchen for a few years for a terminal. Then I got married.)

      Actually, my SE/30 was an SE with an upgraded SE/30 motherboard. BTW, the SE/30 with an external SCSI disk makes a pretty decent personal mail server. Put Net or OpenBSD on it, and off you go.

      The SE/30 was one of the all-time great Apple products. It would take 128MB of RAM when that was an obscene ammount of memory. Various video cards would give you a pretty fast dual-monitor setup for graphic design. Every nerd should have one if for nothing else than a portable-ish terminal.

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    4. Re:My PC recycling thing by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      There are, however, certain key combinations that don't play full chords. I'm not sure if it's the internal keyboard matrix decoding or the microcontroller's firmware.

      AFAIK, (PS/2) PC keyboards are limited to something like three or four simultaneuos key presses. As you suspect, it must have something to with the keyboard matrix, the interface spec, or both.

      I have experienced a similar effect with various MIDI sequencing packages, using a PC keyboard as the controller, so I would say you can rule out your firmware.

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  19. Server by MisterTeabag · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is there a plan to recycle their webserver?

    1. Re:Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they also have a new webserver planned:

      The PicoWebServer, built from an old NE2000 ISA NIC and an Atmel microcontroller.

    2. Re:Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be they use this one: http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55848

      That would explain anything.

  20. All those cool things... by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    And my favorite one is the LED/IC insects. Go figure. http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/56058

  21. Nice one by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/56016
    Thats a nice hard disc bike :)

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  22. Anyone else remember the Honeywell Animals? by argent · · Score: 1

    http://www.larkfarm.com/honeywell_answers.htm

    http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/TheCompMusRep/TCM R- V13.html#Animals

    My father used to have a miniature of the Honeywell Animals kangaroo as a paperweight.

    1. Re:Anyone else remember the Honeywell Animals? by Bolshoy+Pimpovich · · Score: 0
      Interesting. I still have a Honeywell Bull. I wonder if it's considered an antique yet... I used to play that game with the monochrome monkeys which threw bookerangs/bananas at eachother...

      good times...

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  23. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ich kann nicht Deutschen lesen Sie unempfindlicher Klumpen!

  24. Re:nice one by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, if you live in the United States and can read German, then technically it fulfills your requirements. As it is, I'm an American in Japan and I can read it just fine. Maybe it's just a question of geography? ;) (Doesn't hurt to speak German, though.)

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  25. Re:whoreabull PostBlock censorship devise errors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to see you back. Where have you been?

  26. ACHTUNG! by ArticleI · · Score: 2, Funny

    Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!

    Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets, so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.

    1. Re:ACHTUNG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's hilarious. After a really crummy day, this gem just made me laugh so loud that my neigbors are probably wondering if I'm in pain. Thanks.

    2. Re:ACHTUNG! by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 1
      And for our German readers...

      ACHTUNG!

      Kombjuder-Raum

      Dieser Raum is voll bis unner de Deck mit de dollste elekdrische un vollelekdronische Anlaache.Staune und gugge derf jeder, awwer rummworschdele un Gnöbbsche drücke uff de Kombjuder dörffe nur mir,

      die Exberde.

    3. Re:ACHTUNG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hessisch (or is it Schwäbisch?) is hardly german ;)

  27. Reflective/Transflective laptop displays by raygundan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Instead of trying to do a solar-powered backlight, I wish more manufacturers would offer the option of a reflective or transflective LCD screen. This is like the screen used in the Gameboy Advance-- in bright sunlight, it looks fantastic. Indoors, they're not quite as nice as backlit, as they are typically sidelit to bounce the light off the rear reflector. It's a tradeoff. But you could use your laptop with no backlight power as long as there was good ambient light.

    There was at least one laptop made with one of these-- If I remember right, it had a Transmeta CPU, but it's been a while. NEC Versa Daylite, or something close to that, and I think some of the Panasonic Toughbooks designed for outdoor use have them as well.

    1. Re:Reflective/Transflective laptop displays by raygundan · · Score: 1

      Quick correction-- the GBA is a purely reflective screen, and has no light at all. The GBA SP has a reflective or transflective screen with a sidelight.

  28. skirt star need a guitar! by buttahead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since skirt star need a guitar, no meal remained for me: ... Amiga 500 + guitar neck.

    Coworker: Andre Pluemer and friends, those from time to time parts of the Sperrm?


    Rock on... berzerker!

  29. I believe that's a keyboard limitation by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems like most newer keyboards don't have the problem of recognizing too many keys at once. I remember playing mortal kombat on my old 386 with two people on the keyboard and the trick wasn't skill, but to press enough buttons to keep your opponent's key presses from being recognized.

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  30. Re:Good for them! by EGSonikku · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see why this was modded funny. I have several German friends who are quite sensitive to the subject of WWII. They hate Hitler and Nazi's just as much as anyone else. To jest that they would invade Poland out of boredom or ressurect the 3rd reich isn't just in bad taste, it's plain wrong.

    Perhaps if we ('we' in my particualr case being the US) didn't have slashdot we would be incarerating Japanese born US citizens, or hosing down black civil rights protesters! Funny, no? Didn't think so.

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  31. Re:nice one by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, you are suggesting that the company should redo their website because somebody posted an article about them... In an age when machine translation is perfectly understandable with a little effort, and the article is mostly pictures, and a significant amount of slashdot's readership doesn't have english as a first language? Twit.

  32. Re:whoreabull PostBlock censorship devise errors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, I was just thinking that myself... it's almost like he's taken social commentary and made it into some perverse art form...

  33. Open Source Hardware by Caseyscrib · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A company really needs to step in and make open-source hardware. Think about how much money and waste we could save if every year instead of buying a new cell phone we could just download new software onto it. The same goes for a car CD player. Don't like the interface? Want MP3/Ogg/MP4? Want strong encryption for your cell phone? Just download an update.

    The best feature of this is that you will extend the life of your product by a long time. PDAs, Cell Phones, MP3 Players, video game systems, Digital Cameras... they would all benefit. Sure, the initial hardware cost might be a little bit more, but in the end I think the cost would be worth it.

    1. Re:Open Source Hardware by jdigriz · · Score: 1

      While I don't think companies are particularly eager to end planned obsolecence (Please, won't somebody think of the Profits!), some groups are making open source hardware. The GNU Radio project http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/ makes wholly software-configurable radios. Nifty things for ham radio operators such as myself.

    2. Re:Open Source Hardware by loraksus · · Score: 1

      It would be nice, but embedded processors and the power reqs for them change all the time. Some stuff just can't handle what you want it to do.
      You're also assuming that there is a ton of people who can program for the devices. There isn't, and it takes a fair bit of time / money to start programming for them. (This is kind of assuming you're not just using the .net Compact Framework (which I'm guessing you're probably not, this being /. and all, but it is a pretty easy way to program for ARM, MIPS, et al.)

      Even if you overcome that, a cell phone that lasts for 6 hours just isn't going to fly, even if it can play video, mp3s and use strong encryption for your calls (and if your average joe is programming, you're probably going to get bloated code)

      Anyways, you're probably going to end up tossing / replacing the device in 3 years anyways if you carry it around (mainly because the quality of most modern electronics is crap) and by that time, something better will be out.

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  34. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I hope that that was immensly helpful to all of you!

    Ich hoffe das das äußerst hilfreich für euch alle war!

    1. Re:Translation by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Being a grammar Nazi today... Ich hoffe, dass das äußerst hilfreich für euch alle war!

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      Conservatism: The fear that somewhere, somehow, someone you think is your inferior is being treated as your equal.
    2. Re:Translation by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Being a grammar Nazi today... Ich hoffe, dass das äußerst hilfreich für euch alle war!

      Shweet, a German Grammar Nazi. How fitting!

    3. Re:Translation by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      thanks for explaining my joke

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  35. *yawnnn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quite uninteresting.

  36. "I have several German friends who are..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know quite a few Germans myself, and they don't agree with your German friends at all.

    So don't think your German friends represent a clear majority opinion, in Germany.

    There are laws in Germany which make it risky to express your true feelings in public, and so many people would not admit that the Germans still feel quite some pride when they think about the days of the Third Reich.

    As for those laws : you can't legislate the true sentiments of a people.

    Of course, we all know what a valiant effort Finland made in WWII ...

    1. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by DarkDust · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know quite a few Germans myself, and they don't agree with your German friends at all.

      So don't think your German friends represent a clear majority opinion, in Germany.

      I know quite a few Germans as well... which is because I'm German ;-) I can tell you the vast majority of Germans nowadays really do hate Nazis and racism.

      Yes, there are still some idiots that didn't learn a thing, but luckily those are mostly dumb people that don't even know that Hitler was an Austrian and are generally very uninformed about history. And yes, in East Germany some right-winged parties have managed to get a noticable amount of votes. But that doesn't make those people the majority.

      It seems you didn't notice the anti-Nazi demonstrations that every demonstration of right-winged parties (NPD, DSU) face. And you didn't notice what happened a few weeks ago when some right-winged politicians from the NPD boycotted a minute's silence for the holocaust victims and later on said stupid things the we Germans were the real victims in the war instead of the Jews. These caused an outrage in Germany and re-started a discussion to forbid the NPD for being anticonstitutional.

      There are laws in Germany which make it risky to express your true feelings in public, and so many people would not admit that the Germans still feel quite some pride when they think about the days of the Third Reich.

      As for those laws : you can't legislate the true sentiments of a people.

      I have no idea where you've got that from, but it's just plain wrong. There are laws that forbid to lie about Nazi crimes, e.g. it's forbidden to say "The Nazis never killed any Jews", but it's not forbidden to say the truth or what you feel.

      And yes, we are proud of some things we managed to do during WWII, namely building V2 rockets and developing jet planes as well as parachutes and other technological advances. But we know all too well that many thousands of innocent people lost their lifes to develop these things, and nobody is proud about that.

      In conclusion, I really think you either know very twisted Germans and mistake them for being the majority or should listen more carefully what they say.

    2. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      can only second it.

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    3. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can tell you the vast majority of Germans nowadays really do hate Nazis and racism.

      I agree with you - many of them are against racism.

      Yes, there are still some idiots that didn't learn a thing, but luckily those are mostly dumb people

      (Coming from India) I still see here some "educated people" who support right-winged parties (NPD, DSU) not directly in the streets (but with their policies) as they are outraged that jobs are lost and wealth is moving towards Asia. One of my colleague although buys Korean and Chinese cheap products (and wants them even cheaper as he does not bother about sweatshop conditions) hates the Asian/African people coming to Germany.

      It seems you didn't notice the anti-Nazi demonstrations that every demonstration of right-winged parties (NPD, DSU) face

      Yes, I agree there were a anti-Nazi protests but in my workplace when this colleague makes bad remarks my other German colleagues remain silent and do not even offer you moral support. They think this a personal problem (not a social one)... Unless the Germans address this more seriously, I am sorry, this issue will continue..

      sorry I have to make my post anonymous

    4. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by codeButcher · · Score: 1
      I know quite a few Germans as well... which is because I'm German ;-) I can tell you the vast majority of Germans nowadays really do hate Nazis and racism.

      As an outsider (my grandparents emigrated from Germany in 1935), I always wonder why it is that that Germans nowadays not only hate the above-mentioned, but also practically everything German? By which I mean ethnically, culturally, liguistically and historically, amongst others. I don't have a problem with getting rid of the bad, but why should the good go with it?

      In Germany one is hard-pressed to find a radio station that plays anything else than the American mass-produced pop crap. Germans nowadays use a lot of English words and grammatical constructs, as if the German language is incapable of expressing these things. Germans in general seem to be racist in a very "politically correct" sort of way. And while on the subject of racism, it seems almost like a fashion statement to have a life/love partner with a dark skin (other merits like personality seem to be distant secondary considerations).

      These are just some (admittedly subjective) observations made while travelling Europe. Any Germans willing to discuss this with me in private?

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    5. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by DarkDust · · Score: 1

      As an outsider (my grandparents emigrated from Germany in 1935), I always wonder why it is that that Germans nowadays not only hate the above-mentioned, but also practically everything German? By which I mean ethnically, culturally, liguistically and historically, amongst others. I don't have a problem with getting rid of the bad, but why should the good go with it?

      This is not the case, we still love our culture but about three decades of our history are more or less taboo. But there's still more than two thousand years of history left ;-) You might get this impression because open national pride like seen in other countries is often considered to be a bad thing. Many people fear to get associated with Nazis when they'd say I'm proud to be German. Having the German flag in your front yard like many americans do with their flag is really something that is almost imaginable here.

      But this doesn't mean we're not proud of our country and our culture. We are, since we do make the best cars in the world, for example ;-)=) We just don't say that as often and explicit like other countries do.

      In Germany one is hard-pressed to find a radio station that plays anything else than the American mass-produced pop crap. Germans nowadays use a lot of English words and grammatical constructs, as if the German language is incapable of expressing these things. Germans in general seem to be racist in a very "politically correct" sort of way. And while on the subject of racism, it seems almost like a fashion statement to have a life/love partner with a dark skin (other merits like personality seem to be distant secondary considerations).

      This is not the case either, IMHO. There was indeed a call to play more German songs in radio a few months ago in Germany, but I saw a very enlightening report about this: in this report they listed all German artists that were played by a major radio station on one day. And then I realized that there really are enough German (and German-singing) artists. (BTW, AFAIK there is a law in France to play a certain amount of french songs on radio... could some French confirm this ?)

      But of course you hear more english-language songs in radio than german-language. That's because a lot of people really do buy into the american media coporation produced shit, but also because a great many German artists often perform in English. This is quite natural, they like to target a wider audience than just Germany to make more money ;-)

      And about the grammatical stuff: you can express way more things in German (especially in rhymes) than in English, the German grammar is very complex and this can be used to play around a lot. The German language is not called die Sprache der Dichter und Denker (the language of poets and thinkers) for nothing.

      I recommend reading some stuff from Mark Twain about the German language (e.g. The awful German language). This extremely bright man studied German for more than thirty years and he even managed to enlight me on a few grammatical oddities in the German language :-) His stuff is not only very interesting but also with written with a good deal of humor, nice read :-)

      These are just some (admittedly subjective) observations made while travelling Europe. Any Germans willing to discuss this with me in private?

      Nah, I'd rather discuss publicly ;-)

    6. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      In Germany one is hard-pressed to find a radio station that plays anything else than the American mass-produced pop crap. Germans nowadays use a lot of English words and grammatical constructs, as if the German language is incapable of expressing these things.

      This is not unique to Germany. France has been the same way for several years. About half the movies in theaters at any given time are English-language, and probably American. I heard Eminem and plenty of other American music all over Italian radio (nobody in France that I talked to had heard of Tool for some reason). Friends, The Simpsons, and Married with Children have all been shown on European TV.

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    7. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by 1110110001 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK most people in Germany or Austria never really liked the Nazis or racism. The difference is, now we can say it.

      What I don't unterstand is why germans always say "you know Hitler was from Austria". Yeah. So what? If you think about it it doesn't matter and doesn't make Germany better or Austria worse.

      b4n

    8. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by DarkDust · · Score: 1

      What I don't unterstand is why germans always say "you know Hitler was from Austria". Yeah. So what? If you think about it it doesn't matter and doesn't make Germany better or Austria worse.

      Yes, you're right. The reason why I mentioned it was because a great many right-wings and Neo-Nazis don't know history. When you talk to them they tell you "Hitler was great" but when you ask "Do you know where he's from and what he did before he went into politics ?" they just don't know. And this applies to almost every part of the Nazi era history, they only see what they want to see. It's all stuff we learn at school, you'd think that those people payed attention at least in those lessons...

    9. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by codeButcher · · Score: 1
      You might get this impression because open national pride like seen in other countries is often considered to be a bad thing. Many people fear to get associated with Nazis when they'd say I'm proud to be German. Having the German flag in your front yard like many americans do with their flag is really something that is almost imaginable here.

      And about the grammatical stuff: you can express way more things in German (especially in rhymes) than in English, the German grammar is very complex and this can be used to play around a lot. The German language is not called die Sprache der Dichter und Denker (the language of poets and thinkers) for nothing.

      Which I think goes to prove the point I tried to make :-)

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    10. Re:"I have several German friends who are..." by Spunk · · Score: 1

      BTW, AFAIK there is a law in France to play a certain amount of french songs on radio... could some French confirm this ?

      I have also heard this about France. I know it's true in Canada.

  37. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To jest that they would invade Poland out of boredom or ressurect the 3rd reich isn't just in bad taste, it's plain wrong.

    Yes, Germans today are much too busy making anal fisting videos to even think about invading anyone.

  38. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " ... or hosing down black civil rights protesters!

    I don't know about the civil rights protesters, but I'd like to take a fire hose to all the scum who drive around with loud car stereos. To be fair, not all these idiots are black - some of them are people who seem to want to be black. In any case, no civil rights for any of these scum, they ALL get the fire hose.

  39. Favorite by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While the solar backlight might be interesting I just can't ignore these

    they're just so darn cute.

  40. I'm a big fan of my token (key)ring by Brightest+Light · · Score: 2, Funny

    I made a key fob out of an old IBM Token Ring PCMCIA card. My keys are impossible to lose :)

    1. Re:I'm a big fan of my token (key)ring by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      So when you want to get it on, you pass the token? That's a bit odd.

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  41. Re:Good for them! by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Perhaps if we ('we' in my particualr case being the US) didn't have slashdot we would be incarerating Japanese born US citizens, or hosing down black civil rights protesters!

    Or locking people up on an army base in Cuba to sidestep your constitution?

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  42. Lights made from CDs by MatthewNewberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those light shades made from a thousand CDs are pretty cool looking. I want one for myself, but it seems pretty hard to do in the post AOL cd error. I guess I need to start collecting. Here is the link http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55857

    1. Re:Lights made from CDs by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be expensive to just buy blank CDs for this purpose. At that volume you could get a good deal and the finished light would probably be cheaper than a designer equivalent at your local 'arty' furniture store. You could pad out a couple of hundred CDs by scavenging for free ones.

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    2. Re:Lights made from CDs by MatthewNewberg · · Score: 1

      From the picture it looks as if they have a thousand CD's on that thing (I am only guessing).. So if a good price for a 100 CDR's is $30, that means I need about $300 just for the CD's not to mention the light. I would like to make it cheaper, but I dont know how.

  43. Much better than the last one by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    It's about time they focused on recycling computer parts. I have to admit I wasn't too wild about their prior recycling efforts. All they came up with are things like lampshades, book covers, yarn, felt & socks.

  44. Re:nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative


    Speaking...
    ...four languages - is an interpreter
    ...three languages - is an interested
    ...two languages - is usual
    ...one language - is american

  45. Re:Good for them! by Dave_M_26 · · Score: 1
    Ummm...

    "Anal fisting" sounds a bit too much like invading somenone anyway <wince>

    Dave

  46. categories translated by Living+WTF · · Score: 4, Informative

    artistic
    - objective sculptures
    - shape, light and sound objects
    - symbolic stuff
    - flat objects
    - environment
    - jewelry
    - fancy stuff

    functional
    - computer equipment
    - furniture
    - home and garden
    - kitchen equipment
    - light engineering
    - measurement engineering
    - robots and models
    - sports and toys
    - sound and picture
    - clocks
    - miscellaneous

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  47. Re:FP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, that has to be the shittiest piece of ascii art ever posted on /. ...

  48. Re:"Nobody who speaks german could be an evil man" by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 0, Troll

    Um, the poster you replied to was quoting The Simpsons:

    Parole Board: "Why do you have Die Bart Die on your shirt?"
    Sideshow Bob: "No, this is German, it means The Bart, The"
    Parole Board: "Oh well, nobody who speaks German could be an evil man".

    Good effort though.

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  49. Re:nice one by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

    Another stupid Troll moderation. The parent was actually being rather funny by offering a reversal of the tired 'If it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking German' routine. Read the post next time before jerking that knee and waving the Stars and Stripes.

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  50. Re:nice one by Sebastian+Jansson · · Score: 1

    and a significant amount of slashdot's readership doesn't have english as a first language?

    Well, even though English isn't my first language I'd prefer text to be in english rather than german. Just because you don't natively speak english that don't mean that you know all other languages.

    So on an english site it is preferable with english texts, as that enables everyone to read, rather than just a small group of gearmans/french/italians/swedes/etc.

    But ofcourse they don't want to translate the site just for slashdots sake, but that's another discussion.

  51. Re:Good for them! by -brazil- · · Score: 1

    At least it's only painful to a maximum of two people.

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  52. Re:Robot for "Nationwide?" by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    There is an ad for the "Robots" movie in the third quarter, but no ad for "Nationwide" or did he mean nationwide? There doesn't seem to be anything involving kids and a garage either.

  53. Re:Robot for "Nationwide?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True - but the career builder ads with the monkeys are just hilarious!

    The Bud-Light ones arn't bad either.

  54. Re:Robot for "Nationwide?" by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
    It was for Nationwide Insurance. The "Life comes at you fast" line of commercials.

    ***Commercial Spoiler Ahead***

    The kid puts together a robot and then brings his folks out into the garage. They beam at the kid as the robot waves, and smiles (his mouth is made up from what appears to be graphic equalizer slides). Then laser beams shoot out of the robot's eyes and it starts blowing up parts of the garage. It turns, see the family car and blows it up;-)

    I think it was on after the game during the postgame frenzy.

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  55. Re:nice one by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the submitter of the story should have thought ahead and added a machine translation link aswell...

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  56. Check this out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, the fridge is literally cool. But also check this ones, they are my top 6 (in no order):
    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55930 a clock
    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55876 another clock with 25 timezones
    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55978 homemade STM (Scanning Tunneling Microscope), that is really awesome
    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/56047 a high precision scale
    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/56016 a motorbike out of hdd parts
    http://www.heise.de/ct/machflott/projekte/55688 a cool robot

  57. Re:"Nobody who speaks german could be an evil man" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitler was an Austrian. Please remember this, we Germans are very sensible about that fact, because we dissociate from Hitler in special and the Austrians in general.

  58. A portrait of things to come? by Steve+Mitchell · · Score: 1

    So imagine a scenario when globalization collapses and no one has the ability or technology to manufacture complex goods like computers. All we'll have left is the remnants of circuit boards that will either be used to hobble together computing devices or art because of its increasing rarity.

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  59. Re:nice one by mink · · Score: 1

    IF you ever bothered to leave your basement and see the world, you will find there are groups of people in every country that only speaks one language.

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