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The AT&T Archives Post-SBC Merger?

mrfantasy writes "An article in the Newark, NJ Star-Ledge discusses the possible fate of the AT&T Archives, which is a huge, irreplaceable historical repository of most of the advancements of late 19th and 20th century communications. Corporate archives are often casualties of companies when they are subsumed by a parent organization. The archives include such things as long-distance telephone directories from the mid-1890s, containing every long distance subscriber in the country, including Alexander Graham Bell himself; and a microphone from Warren Harding's 1921 inauguration, the first heard by the crowd thanks to AT&T amplification equipment."

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  1. Dumpster? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Funny

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    We have eBay now.

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    1. Re:Dumpster? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From an archeaological standpoint these things are a link to the past that is tangible and worth preserving for a better understanding of the culture and technology of the times. They should simply be donated to museums or private collections that specialize in that sort of thing.

      What is the big deal?

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  2. From an 1890 by racecarj · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alexander Graham Bell's Phone Number: 1

    1. Re:From an 1890 by Space_Soldier · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speaking of him, didn't the Italians bitch that one of their citizens invented the telephone first, but didn't have money for a patent, while Bell had?

      I found Google Cache Link that says that Congress gave Antonio Meucci credit for inventing the telephone.

    2. Re:From an 1890 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It wasn't till 909 more people signed up that the police got involved.

      That's the speed of Law Enforcement, eh?

    3. Re:From an 1890 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Alexander Graham Bell's Phone Number: 1

      In reality the first telephones didn't have numbers till 1879. Operators, or Telephone/Hello Girls, memorized the names and physicaly connected two points to make a connection. It was kinda pointless to know a number till the rotory phone which was in use earlier but not on Bell's system till roughly 1919.

    4. Re:From an 1890 by earthforce_1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I heard dialing was an invention by a funeral home operator, who was wondering why his business seemed to be getting worse for some reason, and his upstart competitor was doing so well. As it turned out, the wife of his competitor just happened to be the town's telephone switchboard operator.

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    5. Re:From an 1890 by TurtleTower · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, Bell's phone number? That's like having Al Gore's IP!

    6. Re:From an 1890 by unitron · · Score: 2, Funny
      " Speaking of him, didn't the Italians bitch that one of their citizens invented the telephone first..."

      You kids today don't know anything that happened before last week. The Italian who invented the telephone was Don Ameche.

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    7. Re:From an 1890 by NumberGod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, his name was Strowger.

      http://www.seg.co.uk/telecomm/automat1.htm/

      NG.

  3. Corrections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Firstly, it's the "Star Ledger", not the "Star Ledge"; secondly, it's AT&T, not AT&aT. What's with the editors these days?

    1. Re:Corrections by Apreche · · Score: 5, Funny

      not AT&aT

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  4. Telemarketers? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd love for those fsckers to go try sell health insurance to a bunch of dead people.

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  5. SBC is still a Bell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although possible, I find it unlikely that SBC would not value AT&T's heritage as much as, and as part of, its own. It is a Bell operating company after all, with many veteran execs from the Bell system of yore. It may even use the AT&T name after the merger.

    1. Re:SBC is still a Bell by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative
      They didn't seem to give too much of a shit about preserving SNET's history when they bought them up back when I used to work there. Wasn't too bad when they were calling us "SBC/SNET"; that I could live with. But then they dropped it completely...bleh.

      What history? They dropped the name. BFD. Southern New England Telephone co. was basically the first RBOC, but so what?
      Oh yeah, being "first" is a rich and voluminous history; and all that history was destroyed when SBC dropped the SNET from its name locally. [/sarcasm] In the case of AT&T here, were talking physical history (e.g. original antique phone books). Company names are (at best) just tradition.

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  6. Great Case for a Museum by jacksonyee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This archive by itself would be a great museum based upon the things in it that the article mentioned. Of course, someone would have to organize the collection and hire staff to maintain the buildings, but it's a shame to see our history not being put to use. Some of the stories and innovations here could serve as inspiration to our kids and current researchers much the same way that the moon landing and Hubble telescope did for some of our generation. If they setup a building with the highlights and charged a modest price for admission, it would be far better than letting these memories go to waste.

    1. Re:Great Case for a Museum by ahbi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, here is an idea.

      Why don't we create a national museum or series of museums to house and display things relating to our national history or just cool things in general.

      You know we could put the museum(s) in a central location. Like the nation's capit[a|o]l.

      Maybe we could get some really wealthy person to donate money for the museum(s). We could be nice and name the museum(s) after that person.
      Hell, I beat the guy could even be a British scientist. Congress could be a big help here.

      And since it is a government sponsored museum, entry could be free, or a nominal charge.

      Someday the museum(s) could grow to be the largest museum complex in the world. They could function as "an establishment for the increase & diffusion of knowledge."

      Yeah, that would be great.

    2. Re:Great Case for a Museum by eyeball · · Score: 2, Informative

      This archive by itself would be a great museum based upon the things in it that the article mentioned. Of course, someone would have to organize the collection and hire staff to maintain the buildings, but it's a shame to see our history not being put to use. Some of the stories and innovations here could serve as inspiration to our kids and current researchers much the same way that the moon landing and Hubble telescope did for some of our generation. If they setup a building with the highlights and charged a modest price for admission, it would be far better than letting these memories go to waste.

      There are a few. BellSouth's Telephone Museum. I could swear there's another telco museum in San Francisco.

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    3. Re:Great Case for a Museum by whizistic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having been at the San Francisco SBC museum a few weeks ago, (located in the Bell building at 140 New Montgomery, open 10AM-2PM Mon-Thurs) I can candidly say it sucked elephant nuts through nanopore straws. The volunteer mentioned that most of the good stuff went to the archives when a consultant curator came through and turned it into a museum rather than the collection of interactive exhibits it was before. It used to be cool, now it's basically a couple phone books from 1919, a princess phone, and half a frame from 1936. So, yes, SBC == Slash and Burn Corporation.

    4. Re:Great Case for a Museum by bigt_littleodd · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's what the Smithsonian is for. If Congress approves, and they are allowed to get their hands on the goodies, and they deem the items preservation-worthy, they will.

      The life and times of AT&T is an integral part of 20th century US history. If SBC is stupid enough to send that history to the garbage pile, then SBC must be destroyed as well because they would have done a great disservice to posterity.

      Mission statement from the SI website:

      Secretary Small's Vision

      "The Smithsonian is committed to enlarging our shared understanding of the mosaic that is our national identity by providing authoritative experiences that connect us to our history and our heritage as Americans and to promoting innovation, research and discovery in science. These commitments have been central to the Smithsonian since its founding more than 155 years ago."

      Lawrence M. Small, Secretary of the Smithsonian

      If you are ever in the Washington DC area, try to visit the Smithsonian Instution if you can. Know that you can spend an entire day in just one or two buildings devoted to just a few subjects.

      The National Air and Space Museum is the most popular of all the Smithsonian buildings. Plan on a full day there. If you can't make it downtown but fly into Washington Dulles, the Udvar-Hazy Annex of the A&S is on Dulles' property. Plan on at least 4 hours there if you want see most of it.

      Okay, getting a little OT there. So sue me.

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    5. Re:Great Case for a Museum by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And said museums could also keep 90+ percent of their collections in the back rooms where most people will never see them...

  7. Cause to worry by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Doesn't SBC stand for "Slash and Burn Corporation?"

    Seriously, why would anyone think this stuff is in danger? As if SBC wouldn't see it as an asset, part of their "goodwill" portfolio.

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  8. They've Gutted Everything Else... What's Left? by Black-Man · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I worked for AT&T, one could go to Murray Hill and it would be an educational experience. No "business requirement" needed. It was like a university setting where one went to learn from the masters.

    Now... the masters are gone. The company as it was is gone. Who cares?

  9. Are they online? by BossMC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    *fires up wget -r*

  10. Smithsonian? by JeffSh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like the perfect archive of "stuff" you might expect to see in the smithsonian? /shrug

  11. SBC-AT&T merger? by goon+america · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should AT&T lose its archives because it's merging with SBC? Before "SBC" became a referent-less corporate initialism, it used to stand for "Southwestern Bell Corporation", a company formed by carving it out of AT&T due to anti-trust litigation. They had always been the same company, just taking a 22-year trial separation.

    (Oh, and how much public time and money was spent splitting up AT&T only to let the pieces gradually merge back together, like the re-heated T1000?)

    1. Re:SBC-AT&T merger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      But with Bush hell-bent on destroying anything of historical significance and his tax credits to encourage that, all of it will probably be destroyed.

      I work for Hardee's corporate, and our execs recently went on a history killing spree. I was there about a year ago the day we closed our first franchisee's restaurant so we could write-off the property and sell the equipment as scrap. I saw the first neon sign the company used in 1960 smashed to write-off the value of the sign as a loss. I saw hundreds of pounds of historical pictures, menus, etc., including many from our first one in Greenville, NC,thrown in the trash.

      I've worked here for 35 years, and I'm glad I'm retiring soon. There's just too many repukians working here that follow Bush's lead. Never underestimate the hatred that the Bush crime family has for you.

    2. Re:SBC-AT&T merger? by SIGBUS · · Score: 2, Informative
      Not to mention before the break-up, GTE was the only other phone company other than Bell.

      Not quite... there were hundreds, if not thousands, of small, independent phone companies, mostly in rural areas. Even today there are still lots of small telcos. Before the AT&T breakup, though, Ma Bell had a stranglehold on long-distance.

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  12. family guy quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scene: 19th century, A Telephone rings

    [Voice on phone]: "Hi, is this 7?"

    [Guy]: "No, this is 3!"

    1. Re:family guy quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Guy: Who are you?
      Phone: The new number 2. You are number 6
      Guy: I'm not a number i'm a free man!
      Phone: hahahahahahahah

  13. They can't... by MSDos-486 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because pre-1982 SBC history was AT&T history. Kinda funny how the student became the master

    1. Re:They can't... by PornMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's kind of like life... changing your parents' diapers when they get old.

  14. NoNoNo by jspoon · · Score: 2, Funny

    You misunderstand. Reread the summary. They actually have a catalog containing the corpses of all the long distance subscribers. As such, all the rules involving cemeteries should apply here. Who needs TFA when I have Slashdot to boil it down to the basic ideas?

  15. It'd be a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    My first summer job in high school was at the Warren AT&T archives. I wound up staying on for 4 years

    The archive is a treasure trove of hardware for sure, but there are an incredible number of technical papers and photographs as well; Bell and Watson's lab notes while developing the phone, research notes on the development of the transistor and the Lab's UNIX flavor and more. David Korn's research notes on Ksh development or Arno Penzias' reports of his accidential verification of cosmic background radiation might be of interest to some /. collectors should the whole lot end up on the auction block.

    The place is crazy. It's not just the History of AT&T, it's the Great Library of information technology. Hopefully SBC will see it that way too. Last I heard, they had completed indexing and uncrating over 9 miles of paper case files (researcher's project notes) from the 1890's to 1980's. The number of talented scientists who spent their lives at the Labs helping create the IT infrastructure you're soaking in is astounding. As a research lab supported by a monopoly utility, they had unprecedented resources to explore all kinds of ideas. It's all there. Neat stuff.

    One of my favourite pieces was a 1960's prototype for an operator's uniform. Very Star Trek:TOS. Ohura's uniform in gold lamee. Some Suit thought it might be a good idea to have all the operators (almost entirely female at the time) wear uniforms, and this is what they came up with.

    But I'm waxing philosophic. SBC will save the tech documents at least, to protect the intellectual property they're buying with the hard assets. As for the old phone booths, recording equipment and videophone prototypes, maybe they'll end up in private collections or museums. Either way, hopefully more people will get to see and appreciate them.

  16. FUD by chowbok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no story here. The reporter has no reason to think this will happen. Nobody with either company has said the archives will be thrown out. AT&T's former archivist thinks SBC is good about keeping archives. SBC's spokesman says they keep archives. Some professor somewhere says, with no evidence at all, that they'll throw it all away, and that gives a bored reporter a hook to hang a bullshit story on.

    Calm down, they'll keep it or give it to a museum.

  17. A little rabble rousing to stir up the proletariat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Corporate archives are often casualties of companies when they are subsumed by a parent organization."

    What? Is the submitter suggesting that SBC intends on setting fire to the historical archives of AT&T(presumably before killing the family members of the AT&T CEO lest they challenge SBC for the throne in the future)? Come on! These aren't the Vandals invading the Roman Empire.

  18. Never underestimate people's stupidity by xtermin8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Why wouldn't SBC value these archives?" Why would anyone burn the Library of Alexandria? Expect the worst, hope for the best.

  19. Somewhere in the pile of paper... by bjbest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... deep, deep, inside, is a copy of the infamous ( mythical ? ) issue of the Bell Technical Journal that described the operator-assited long distance dialing mechanism, and how easily it could be defeated. It gave rise to the "phone phreaks" and "blue box" devices in the 1960's, and rest is hacker history.

  20. Calling all Mormons by smchris · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Phone books are one way to supplement geneology. One of my great-great grandfathers had a home phone in the 1890s.

  21. Amazing story if true... by Bamafan77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm often amazed by how much history is so much BS, especially the stuff you could supposedly hang your hat on. I mean, every grade school kid KNOWS Alexander Graham Bell invented the phone just like every kid KNOWS Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. I consider myself fairly cynical about things in general, but stuff like this makes me feel like a doe-eyed innocent setting eyes on the world for the first time. ;)

    1. Re:Amazing story if true... by mattdm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interesting. But your link has (at least) a factual error of its own -- Edison's electric chair didn't use DC. His own systems used DC, and he wanted to show that Tesla's AC was horribly dangerous -- so, basically, he made the thing run on AC as a marketting ploy.

    2. Re:Amazing story if true... by mnbjhguyt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm very amazed by you giving so much credit on the history books you've read. Actually, history books change a lot in different countries.

      Every italian history book always treated Meucci as the inventor of the phone, followed closely in time by Bell (much like Daimler and Benz for the car), but when i was an exchange student in the US, nobody ever heard of him.

      Also, i remember the history books and teachers in high school stressing a lot the fact that basically everything was invented by americans: motion pictures were Edison's invention, for example (whatever happened to the Lumiere brothers?), and i had a strong argument with the history teacher, who claimed that pizza was an american dish.

    3. Re:Amazing story if true... by IANAAC · · Score: 2, Informative
      There were no Tomatoes in Europe, so if people think of pizza as "cheese and tomato with stuff on", which I would argue most people do, then one could see it as having American origins. Although...that is using "American" in its very loosest sense as a continent where tomatoes came from...

      Pizza as it's known today gets its roots from Naples. When tomatoes were brought back from the new world - in the 16th century. It really wasn't perfected until the 17th century. Again in Naples. The only thing America had to do with pizza was that single ingredient.

    4. Re:Amazing story if true... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, you ARE a doe-eyed innocent. If you weren't, you'd realize that the history of technology, at least for the last 200 years of American history, is the history of industry, and thus the history of the men who OWNED industry. Alexander Graham Bell OWNED the telephone industry in from its inception in the USA; therefore, he invented the telephone. Likewise for Edison and the electrical appliance industry, and Ford and the automotive industry.

      With regard to Edison - do you REALLY think that he, personally and individually, tested 500 diferent filaments for light bulbs? Or is it more that he paid the money that bought the building and employed the workers who did the testin? Edison invented the lightbulb in the same way that Gore invented the internet; he provided the necessary funding for the men who did the real work. At least with the internet, we know who those men are.

      The Wright brothers are a curious exception. They created the first heavier-than-air machine capable of lifting a man from the ground and returning him to it safely (for a certain value of "safe" - one was killed in a flying accident). They patented their inventions and promptly ceased innovating, choosing rather to sue the socks off of their competitors, who were forced to innovate ahead of the Wright patents. That is why there is no Wright Airlines or Wright Aircraft company today.

      Food for thought.

  22. I bet this guy would want some of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've met this guy, my friend has been out to his private phone museum in California. It looks like he has lots of old relics, he's getting alot of them up and running too.

    When I met him, he had me call a certain number at his museum with my cell phone, and some kind of device picked up and just gave me a speaker in one of the rooms. Then he called another number with his phone and I could here a mechanical line switcher in the room going to work. Was interesting.

  23. SBC will assume (the good of) AT&T's past by rlds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since SBC comes from AT&T's Bell System and there are some achievements that SBC would like to present as their legacy too, SBC will not destroy those archives. Consider that SBC may even assume AT&T's corporate name, in which case that preservation would make even more sense. Yes it's PR, but as SBC and Verizon get bigger and bigger and become a duopoly in communications, having SBC present that legacy as its own is of some business value.

  24. Re:AC is safer than DC by RobNich · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Edison didn't believe that DC was safer, he knew the situation. In addition to being safer, AC doesn't require a transformer on every block for distribution like DC does. Edison knew that AC was better, but Edison didn't own the patent on it. The rivalry between Edison and Tesla was the real cause of this--Tesla invented and marketed AC, Edison patented a DC distribution system. Edison tried to shape public opinion because he knew that his sytem was both less safe and more expensive. Luckily his tactics didn't work.

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