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Daily Grind Webcomic Challenge

Dauntilus writes "Bent Comics is sponsering a web-comic contest. Contestants put $20 into the pool, and they must update their comics 5 times a week. If they fail to update on time, they are out. Last artist in gets the pool. The contest started yesterday with a sweet $1,120 in the pot. A few big webcomic artists like Scott Kurtz (PVP) and Chris Crosby (Superosity) have even show up for the fun."

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  1. No PA :-( by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    and they must updated their comics 5 times a week. If they fail to update on time, they are out.

    That eliminates Penny Arcade :-(3x a week, frequent screwups, but worth the free price of admission all the same.) Call me greedy, but I'd love to see PA daily =)

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    1. Re:No PA :-( by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Man alive, there are some different tastes on this here site. I personally can't stand Penny Arcade - I don't think it's funny at all - but I think the best (and unfortunately underrated) webcomic today is The Perry Bible Fellowship.

      Hilarious stuff.

    2. Re:No PA :-( by Bobman1235 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please be sarcastic... please be sarcastic....

  2. Don't forget Greg Dean! by Mage+Powers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of Real Life Comics. I read that daily too along with PVP and Superosity. Personally I was hoping Piro would join in, he'd be first out :)

  3. Re:ctrl alt del! by Carthag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Diesel Sweeties would probably win, if R. Stevens signed up. He said he's not going to, though.

  4. Metacommentary has already begun by UCRowerG · · Score: 3, Informative
  5. Re:ctrl alt del! by NeoSkink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll take quality over 5 updates a week anyday.

    Forcing them to update constantly would likely kill the comics we know and love until the contest is over.

  6. Another one. by PeteDotNu · · Score: 2, Informative

    "they must updated their comics 5 times a week"

    I swear, someone is putting nonsensical grammar into every single article, just to see how we squirm and ped.

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    1. Re:Another one. by PopeAlien · · Score: 3, Funny

      I swear, someone is putting nonsensical grammar into every single article, just to see how we squirm and ped.

      I dont know about you, but I ped myself when I readed that, but I haven't really started squirming yet.. I'll keep you posted.

  7. Quantity over Quality by lbmouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't appear that any of the strips have to actually be good. Me and my stick-figure-guy could win this one.

    1. Re:Quantity over Quality by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It doesn't appear that any of the strips have to actually be good. Me and my stick-figure-guy could win this one.

      Actually not, one of the rules is no sketches.

      Now if u colored him in...

      Or pull a southpark... grab MegaPOV (which can do cell-shaded renders in POVRay), make some basic objects and scripts, and just write dialog and positioning elements for each frame.

      Hell, you could just make a random joke generator plugin to the above (doesn't have to be GOOD, just has to BE) and have it kick off every morning at midnight.

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    2. Re:Quantity over Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just because a strip is done with stick-figure quality doesn't mean it isn't awesome!

      Kick in the Head is my favorite, and it's not about the art.

    3. Re:Quantity over Quality by shish · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it even require that the author be human? Some people get away with just putting different text over the same image every day, it wouldn't be too hard to automate that; either build up a few hundred strips worth of sentances, or just randomly generate them...

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    4. Re:Quantity over Quality by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      are either of these comics relevant anymore?

      I still read UF every day, just out of habit, I havne't laughed at it in about a year. The only good storyline he's had in ages was the "The Thing" parody in Anarctica, but other than that, Illiad's just phoning it in.

      As for Dilbert, it was cutting edge 10 years ago, but Adams has let it stagnate, its still the same tired joke told by the same nonentity archetype characters. To put it bluntly, its the new Garfield. its good for a chuckle, but its not engaging like PvP or Sluggy Freelance.

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    5. Re:Quantity over Quality by shigelojoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      or just randomly generate them...

      Like this?

    6. Re:Quantity over Quality by johannesg · · Score: 2, Informative
      Let me put in a quick vote for Miracle of Science and Casey and Andy as being worthy of attention.

  8. 5 times a week? by Tuffsnake · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait so this is basically a contest to see who's life is so devoid of content that they never miss a day of logging on and updating their cartoons ... sounds like whoever wins is really the biggest loser ;)

  9. A Modest Destiny by drivinghighway61 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Squidi hasn't missed more than perhaps one or two updates in two years on A Modest Destiny. But, he is rather unpopular among the webcomic community

  10. Re:ctrl alt del! by carninja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Penny arcade only updates 3 times a week, and I doubt they really wanna change that.

  11. Nice way to borrow money by Yomers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nice way to borrow money from those 'big webcomic artists' ;)) I bet at least 2 of them will produce 5 comics a week for a very long time...

  12. Re:What about quality ? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I could update my comic a ton of times a week if it was done poorly.

    Have you ever seen Get Fuzzy? Granted, it's not a web comic (though it may be on comics.com or such) but they guy must have a time altering machine, for all the detail he puts in that strip. Wood grains, individual hairs, even the New Zealand All Blacks logo on Rob's cap. If the guy can do that strip daily, who's got a leg to stand on to say they can't?

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  13. Re:What about quality ? by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One word:

    Stencils

    Art is not hard to crank out fast. Ideas are. I'm far more impressed with Dilbert than Get Fuzzy.

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  14. My Prediction! by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that this will be going on for at least 2 years. And then it will be down to 5. The only thing that is going to knock some of these artists out is some for of accident to their person or a sever server failure..... Uh... Shall Slashdot Slashdot those Slashdot wants to lose at update time?

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    1. Re:My Prediction! by scrotch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree, some of these artists have already been this reliable for a long, long time. Hopefully the money will be put in an interest bearing account rather than in a jar that will get lost somewhere.

  15. Re:Lets push quantity over quality by hobbesx · · Score: 2, Funny

    ::cough::Jim Davis!::cough::

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  16. Good practice by grungebox · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think anyone that's ever tried a webcomic knows that consistency is the biggest challenge. It's hard to develop a routine and get strips up in a timely fashion with some degree of regularity. That's a critical factor in determining a strip's early success at drawing an audience. Internet users are lazy, and if you don't have any timeliness, they move on. People might counter with Mac Hall or Megatokyo, but those premiered during a slightly less dense webcomic atmosphere. Also, they drew audiences in with the art, which is the other key component. You can slack off on the updates if your art kicks ass and still maintain a decent audience. Hell, if you get both you become a rising megastar like Apple Geeks or Scary Go Round.

  17. Re:ctrl alt del! by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah... some comics "cheat" every so often. For example, Sluggy Freelance almost never misses an issue; however, as an example, they recently took a few days off by making comics via using X-com screenshots and putting dialog bubbles on the characters instead of drawing comics. Sometimes, too, they'll have a guest artist (sometimes a deliberately poor one for comic effect) take over strip for a week or so.

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  18. Re:What about quality ? by grungebox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Darby Conley does the strip for a living. He doesn't need a time machine, just the extra 8 hours a day the rest of us are working. It's still an awesome strip, and it makes shittily-drawn and shittily-written strips that much worse by comparison, but just keep in mind he's not quite the superman most webcomics people with fulltime jobs and a daily strip must be.

  19. Rex Morgan by PopeAlien · · Score: 2, Funny

    My brother once decided to collect the daily Rex Morgan in a big old scrap-book to try to figure out what it was about.

    after he had gathered several months worth together it still didnt make any sense.

  20. Re:ctrl alt del! by grungebox · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think citing User Friendly hurts your webcomic street cred.

  21. Re:ctrl alt del! by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point is that if you can drive yourself to quantity, you will achieve quality as well. Ask novel writers. Once you've created 5 new comic strips every week for a few months, you'll be better at creating good comic strips.

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  22. It'll never end. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The initial idea must have been a competition to provide that extra bit of incentive for the creators not to miss an update. With comics like PvP and Superosity in the running, it's now a race to see who gets to the grave first.
    Kurtz boasts going years without missing an update (what about those sickdays and guest weeks?), I'm sure he can easily keep updating for years without fail if he makes the effort. The same goes for Chris Crosby of Superosity. For them it's not an incentive to update, they're in it for the money!

    No one's going to win this now, it's never gonna end.

  23. Cheap labour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yet another cheeky attempt at getting cheap labour. They get a site with daily updates down for free.

    It reminds me of some design jobs that had a task for possible applicants. When you applied for the job, you where given a brief from one of their customers. Whoever did the best design, got the job...meanwhile the company got paid a few thousand for the guys work before he even started.

  24. Re:ctrl alt del! by ikkonoishi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or Schlock Mercenary. Hasn't missed an update ever. He said he wasn't entering because it would get boring if it went on for years without a winner.

  25. Indeed by kahei · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Yeah, I think Squidi's achievement in sheer quality and production values over a period of years has been quite amazing. I can't say I'm wild about the new style backgrounds (or the dangerous tendency to start making Art with a capital A), but I have to take my hat off to the guy for the sheer amount of quality images, text and plot he has produced. As a comic, it's funnyish; as an exercise in continuity and development, it's outstanding.

    I'm not quite sure what all the troubles surrounding the artist actually are. His editorials (except maybe when he gets political) strike me as remarkably organized and sensible, not the work of a net.kook at all... but it sure looks like he annoyed a lot of people somehow.

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  26. Buffer cache by RainbowSix · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm surprised that more comics don't do this where the author of Sam and Fuzzy states that he has a buffer of about 22 comics so he never misses an update.

    Of course, he only updates MWF so he's not eligible for the pool.

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    1. Re:Buffer cache by EggyToast · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's what comics that are truly serious and industrious about the job do. Most professional comics have a buffer time, partly because there's a lapse between the time it takes for it to go from the editor to actual publication, but also because when it's all that you're doing, it makes sense to set yourself up to cover for any sickdays, vacations, or whatever happens.

      Megatokyo is often criticized as being one of the most popular inconsistent comics, yet the author is on record as having a point in time where even he had a buffer (after some comic challenge thing, similar to the OP). He said he was set for about 2 weeks. Of course, he worked through that and got back on the missed updates. Lately, though, he's been on-time.

      For anyone based on internet publication, I think timeliness is one of the most overlooked aspects of the process, and people often approach it in the same procrastinatey way they do term papers and homework. Unsurprisingly, the students that often perform well in school are the ones who have their homework done well before the deadline, giving them a buffer for editing and more

      One of the reasons I personally like Penny Arcade is because there's always a new comic on MWF. And that's one of the reasons I completely lost interest in The Brunching Shuttlecocks when they were still updating -- they were on long hiatuses (hiatii?) for their last 2 years, so after a while it was easy to forget about them. At which point there's little reason for reading them religiously, and content gets missed.

      I'm sure the comics that got involved in the OP are already quite timely -- otherwise they wouldn't get involved. I read it more as a test of how long a comic can stick around and consistently update, rather than how quickly other comics fall behind. I also see it as a statement that people view timelyness as an important and valuable aspect of web publications.

  27. KeenSpot and KeenSpace artists join in the grind! by strredwolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only Chris Crosby, Brad Guigar, Ryan Smith and Steve Troop have joined from KeenSPOT... ...but up and comming artists Jennie Breeden (The Devil's Panties), Bruce Goer (A Day in the Life), and Matt Johnson (Cortland) have joined from KeenSPACE.

    The SPACE team WILL WIN!!!

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  28. I raise you one Pokey by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even weirder: Pokey The Penguin. Be sure to check out the archives (the one currently on the main page isn't as bizarre as some of the earlier ones). And hey, it's a penguin so you are automatically required to love it, being a Slashdot reader and all.

  29. What's the point? by Gondola · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Shouldn't the point of a contest like this be to spur webcomic artists to produce reliably so that they can become more prolific, not to put cash in the pocket of someone who has already shown he can put out a strip a day on a regular basis?

    Why would a webcomic artist who has already shown himself able to produce one comic a day for the past several years (even if it's not up until 6pm) enter into a contest like this?

    The point is to provide a challenge and provide competition. For people who have already proven themselves in this arena, they are merely making it psychologically impossible for the intended audience to participate and hope to win. Someone who *just might* graduate to the next level of comic production may have decided to make the plunge and make a living at it. But with people in the competition who have already shown they can do it, how many people are going to drop out just because they know that they won't be able to compete in the very long run that this contest will inevitably go to?

    I think it's a bit sad when people who are already making a living at webcomics decide to get involved in a contest that's obviously not aimed at them.

    No, I didn't go to the site sponsoring the competition. If they intended these "semi pro's" to participate, he's scamming a sizeable loan out of a lot of people. If they didn't intend them to participate, it obviously wasn't stated in the rules. If they didn't even think about it, they're shortsighted.

  30. Re:ctrl alt del! by PMuse · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll take quality over 5 updates a week anyday.

    All those rules! And not one that outlaws posting a picture of "sheep in a snowstorm".

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  31. And the winner is... by Bazman · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a perl script that uses the GD library to draw random squiggles and the fortune file for text. Updated from a cron job.

    Indistinguishable from half the web comics out there IMHO :)

    1. Re:And the winner is... by fanblade · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly. The winner of this competition will be the one with the most stable server!

  32. Anyone intrested in a 20 year, no-intrest loan? by delmoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry. It would be extreemly easy for someone (or a couple people) to keep doing something once a day for the rest of their lives. I predict this is going to take a very long time to resolve.

    Now, it might be intresting they put the money into a mutual fund or something, so that if the contest did take years, the reward would be worth it

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  33. Re:ctrl alt del! by Mage+Powers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't Schlock Mecenary have a large buffer? I wonder if that was really considered for this comic contest, because it's kinda silly to pit buffered comics against unbuffered comics.

  34. Re:What about Dilbert? by rzebram · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, both your paper and the Dilbert site operate in what is known as the "mysterious future." Therefore, what you see in the newspaper hasn't happened yet, which means you should go around saving people according to it's prophecies, and then vanish from television shortly thereafter due to lack of viewers. Your cat does deliver the paper, right?