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Sim Epidemic

Dotnaught writes "Scientific American has an intriguing story about EpiSims, an outbreak simulator. Designed by Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL), it deals with a social networking of a different sort: 'To understand what a social network really is and how it can be used for epidemiology, imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann. She has short brushes with family members during breakfast and then with other commuters or carpoolers on her way to work. Depending on her job, she might meet dozens of people at work, with each encounter having a different duration, proximity and purpose.'"

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  1. CERN did this a couple of months ago by moofdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read an article in Popular Science a few months ago while waiting in the dentist office about a similar program developed by CERN. The main difference was that it was text based instead graphical. The coolest thing I saw about it was that they used it to re-enact the spread of the bubonic plaguge which killed so many people years ago. I think they were developing it for WHO and the associated organizations.

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    1. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think they were developing it for WHO and the associated organizations.

      "Well then who's developing it?"

      "Yes."

      "I mean the group's name."

      "WHO."

      "The group developing it."

      "WHO."

      "The software program."

      "WHO."

      "The simulation..."

      "WHO is developing the simulation!"

      "I'm asking YOU who's developing the simulation."

      "That's the group's name."

      / etc

    2. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      I read an article in Popular Science a few months ago while waiting in the dentist office

      Well, things have progressed from the 80s. Or was his literature more up-to-date?

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    3. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by RichardX · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Oh, forget it! Anyways.. uh.. who was that band you went to see last night"

      "No, Yes"

      "Who?"

      "No, though I did see them live once"

      "Um.. who?"

      "Yeah, they were pretty good"

      "So who was it you saw last night?"

      "Yes"

      "Who, damnnit?"

      "No, Yes. Then I came home and watched THEM! and a couple of episodes of Dr Who before I read that article about the software by the WHO"

      "Um.. I think something's broken in your head. I'm going over here now."

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  2. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some more amusing ways to torture my Sims.

    1. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Talking about amusing torture games, nothing beats torturing your avatar in Black and White.

      Run into a village and devour villagers: tummy rub.
      Help a drowning villager: ruthless bitchslap session.

  3. Phew by civman2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    For a minute there, I thought this article was going to be about how millions of teenage girls are displaying frightening symptoms: siting inside all day instead of socializing, playing computer games all day, turning away from reality. I guess the Sims has the power to turn girls into guys. But that's not what this is about...

    1. Re:Phew by Biff+Stu · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the event of an epidemic, this would be a good thing. Does this mean that if epidemics select for antisocial nerds, /.'ers will rule the earth?

    2. Re:Phew by waveclaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For a minute there, I thought this article was going to be about how millions of teenage girls are displaying frightening symptoms: siting inside all day instead of socializing, playing computer games all day, turning away from reality. I guess the Sims has the power to turn girls into guys. But that's not what this is about...

      Since this is presented as a tool on which to base political policy, I am quite alarmed.

      While you are making a joke, this actually brings into question several of the assumptions underlying this model. The social networks employed by this model are very simple compared with real life. Even though they are rigged to have similar power-law statistics, the model used may not be able to reach useful results. Critical details in the social networking of super carriers and patient zero are handled poorly, IMHO and that's only based on the article, basic college stats and high school level intro to sociology.

      For instance, for any STD model will have to take into account the many over layed and distinct networks of sexual interactions. Sexually active high school students such as in your teenage girl joke have a very different social network pattern from adults. Another pattern is common among college students. Trying to use the model from the article would lead to incorrect results for their population and would deviate significantly from reality.

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    3. Re:Phew by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Or we *are* the epidemic, and everyone is already infected. /.'ers are ruling the earth. I for one...no lets not go there.

  4. Problems with models by CtrlPhreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine works with the WHO which has solicited many different people to do work like this for them. In light of all the terrorism talk and threats of bio-terrorism, we've had talks on this. Different universities etc. The problem with it is that no model is able to conform to historical records of various outbreaks well enough across the board to develop policy on. One model is highly based on an aids breakout of the 1980s or an asian flu epidemic, and the model fits well to it. But when the model is applied to different epidemics they don't work out. There are just so many factors differing by area, culture etc. Think close knit community vs big city. Also the way things are transmitted. You would have to have a different model for each scenario which is very difficult/costly. Until we can predict everything going into a situation these models aren't very useful.

    Models working with more people is definitely a step forward, but just an improvement.

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    1. Re: Problems with models by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You would have to have a different model for each scenario which is very difficult/costly. Until we can predict everything going into a situation these models aren't very useful.

      I'd argue against the 'not very useful'. These models may not provide accurate predictions for real outbreaks, but may improve the insights into the variables involved, and how things interact.

      In the case of a real outbreak, authorities may take measures like release public warnings, quarantine certain areas/building, ask people to avoid certain activities for a while, etc.

      Will that slow down the outbreak? Will it confine casualties to a certain area? Can a measure help to lower mortality rates?

      With a real outbreak, that sort of data is crucial. If you know how to slow down the spread of a disease, you buy time for healthcare workers. Time to track down infected people, time to treat people before incubation period expires, etc. Keeping the number of casualties down, may avoid a mass panic. So having some knowledge about the variables involved can make a big difference, and save countless lives.

      So these models may be pretty helpless for predicting exact numbers, but still useful anyway.

    2. Re:Problems with models by thogard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are deeper problems as well. I played with this years ago when I had a large collection of data for a different project. One thing I did was played around with the time factor. It turns out that several genetic things look viral with a different time factor including allergy related illnesses like asthma. The head researcher thought it was interesting but had other projects and it would go too far against the modern teachings so the research died a natural death.

    3. Re: Problems with models by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But, the point is that, since we don't sufficiently understand which variables have what effect to create a general model, we can't really tell which strategies were extremely effective in historical outbreaks. We can't make policy based on this.

    4. Re:Problems with models by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I also think that, (last time I checked, anyways) the government agencies base their models for the evolution of infectious disease on Burnette and White's model which is based primarily on airborne diseases, but applied, often badly, to waterborne diseases.

      Sexualy transmitted epidemics like 'the AIDS epidemic' make for difficult modles because people's sexual behavior has changed dramatically from 1950 - the present. Like you said, so many factors there.

      If they did this, it would be nice if it were possible to alter the virulence, incubation time, genetic diversity and mutation rate of a particular pathogen.

      Likewise, it'd be nice if you could model virulence. If you infected people with a highly virulent airborne virus in California, by the time it got to New York it would be slightly less virulent because airborne viruses tend to evolve towards fairly benign coexistance over the long run (If your host is sick at home in bed, he isn't in the office passing the disease on to his coworkers.)

      If you have any information on the planning of these games, I'd love to see it.

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  5. dl it? by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

    theres no torrent link?

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    1. Re:dl it? by hazah · · Score: 1

      I wonder how to communicate the short burst of laugher I experienced once I read your sig. "bahahaha" seems to convay sarcasm, but I assure you, there is none.

  6. Two words by bakayoko · · Score: 2, Funny

    Chaos theory.

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  7. Her Name is Ann by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann.
    She sounds hot....



    1. Re:Her Name is Ann by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      Actually, her name is Alice.

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    2. Re:Her Name is Ann by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Surely you meant Arisu.

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    3. Re:Her Name is Ann by man_ls · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bob's girl is cheating on him?

      Wait till this gets out...

  8. How about giving those scientists by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1

    A copy of The Sims 2 ?

  9. But, this is SLASHDOT... by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To understand what a social network really is and how it can be used for epidemiology, imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann....

    Of course, this is slashdot. If Ann was a slashdotter, her epidemiology would consist only of contact between Ann and her parents, at the dinner table, during the approximately 45 minutes per day that Ann leaves the cellar.

    Perhaps it should read something like:

    To understand what a social network really is and how it can be used for epidemiology, one must not be a slashdotter. Imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann....

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    1. Re:But, this is SLASHDOT... by BUTT-H34D · · Score: 1
      Depending on her job, she might meet dozens of people at work, with each encounter having a different duration, proximity and purpose.
      Huh huh. Heh heh. She's a slut.
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  10. Numb3rs! by krray · · Score: 1

    Just keep watching Numb3rs then! I'm sure one of these weeks CBS will have the equation all figured out to solve ALL these types of problems. Everything is #'s!

  11. Zombies by LMariachi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds a little like the Zombie Infection Simulator.

    1. Re:Zombies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  12. Alternate Uses by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

    A tool like this could be adapted for some other fascinating uses:

    Marketing (particularly the viral type)
    Political meme simulation
    Catching terrorists and other criminals through investigating their social linkage
    Pharmacological demand forecasting

    All technology has alternate uses - some good, some not...

    1. Re:Alternate Uses by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "All technology has alternate uses - some good, some not"

      like using this simulator to figure out what sort of person would be an ideal target to infect if you wanted to start a bioterrorism campaign...

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    2. Re:Alternate Uses by donothingsuccessfull · · Score: 1

      > Political meme simulation
      Hasn't this been done?
      http://www.extremedemocracy.com/chapters/Chapter%2 0Nine-Krebs.pdf

    3. Re:Alternate Uses by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "USA is going to 'lower the population' a little"

      Well they got their practice in very early with smallpox and the Native Americans... so I wouldn't put it past them.

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  13. So when? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 1

    So when will the SimEpidemic game be available from EA?

  14. Mod by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can one make a mod for Sims out of that? pleeease?

  15. Can I use this to...? by sdo1 · · Score: 1

    Can I use this to figure out how best to spread my next cold to friends, family, and co-workers so I don't have to suffer alone?

    -S

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  16. The Sims Epidemic by Danimoth · · Score: 1

    I was really hoping this article was going to be about some diseas which was wiping "The Sims" off the face off the planet... just my luck.

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  17. Re:Guaranteed to be modded down but... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

    Are you so passionate about this that you have to post anon?

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  18. I read the headline... by Eccles · · Score: 1

    I read the headline as "Sin Epidemic." I was hoping I would catch it...

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    1. Re:I read the headline... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Slashdotters are immune to the forbidden apple, you know...

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  19. Word order designed for dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is going to be reposted as Epidemic Sim- watch for it!

  20. End-user version by ZeeExSixAre · · Score: 1

    Is there a version out there for us hand-of-God-wannabes to simulate outbreaks of dysentery in a highly-populated area? *splat*

  21. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Martin+Marvinski · · Score: 1

    Why are you an uncircumcised disease vector? Did you know that uncircumcised partners of women are more likely to develop cervical cancer?

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=uncircumcis ed +cervical+cancer&btnG=Google+Search

  22. Just wait... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... till they come out with the "gay bathhouse" mod pack.

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  23. Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Swampfeet · · Score: 1, Interesting



    If I were a terrorist and wanted to start off a really good plague with something new, nasty, and specially engineered, I always thought handing out a few infected 20 dollar bills at various interstate highway Burger Kings or MacDonalds would be very effective.

    Every car that comes after you becomes a new vector! And heading all over the place!

    1. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Swampfeet · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or better yet, make a $40 order and pay for it in 40 infected 1 dollar bills!

    2. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      If you're going to engineer it give it a nice long gestation period... something like 3 months during which time it spreads to a significant percentage of the population.

      Rather than handing out 20 dollar bills which may be suspicious, just get a job at a McDonalds Drive Thru. Bonus points if it's near an airport.

    3. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought that was a good episode of the X-Files, too. Where they had to catch the underground militia trying to spray the bacteria on the money in the bank which they'd tested on the kids in the movie theater, and so on...

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  24. Shouldn't this be modded down? by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Funny

    After all, it is basically a "WHO's on first" post.

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    1. Re:Shouldn't this be modded down? by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      You know my post was a joke, right?

      Just making sure.

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  25. where can the shmo's get it? by Irashtar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Noone else seems to have asked the most important question of all. Where can we download it?

  26. Furthermore by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have a few issues that you have to consider in any given model:

    1) Vectors (i.e. sexually transmitted/blood-based infections like AIDS will behave differently than airborn-short-distance illnesses like SARS). This

    2) Contagious exposure time: Ebola will be far less dangerous than HIV because it is much more quickly progressing.

    These parameters will change the outcomes of the simulation.

    A simulated epidemic, not an epidemic of simulations ;-)

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  27. Direct links by cgenman · · Score: 1

    http://www.ccs.lanl.gov/ccs5/apps/epid.shtml
    http ://episims.lanl.gov/

  28. Links and research papers by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, here's a link to the EpiSims site at Los Alamos National Labs. They have a neat (250 meg) video showing smallprox propagation, as well as several graphs.

    Here's a link to the general web page at LANL for Dynamic Simulation Science, which also includes information on things like simulation of transportation networks.

    A google scholar search turns up a few interesting-looking research papers:

    Structural and Algorithmic Aspects of Massive Social Networks (Eubank et al, 2004)

    Understanding Large-Scale Social and Infrastructure Networks: ASimulation-Based Approach (Barrett et al)

    BioWar: A City-Scale Multi-Agent Network Model of Weaponized Biological Attacks

  29. Newly released expansion by LincolnX · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the new expansion that just came out for Sims 2?

  30. That's why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    ...Microsoft is releasing a Windows Cluster Edition

    So we can all play EpiSims!

  31. My version... by Peter777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    19.35 - You are in your parents basement. It's very dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

    'up'

    19.40 - You are in your parents hall. You hear voices to the east.

    'east'

    19.45 - The room is full of people. You are likely to catch the plague.

    'mingle'

    19.50 - Your aunt kisses you.

    'use handkerchief'

    19.55 - You feel dizzy

    'South'

    20.00 - You are in the kitchen. You have caught the plague. You feel very hot.

    'South'

    20.05 - You are in the garden. You are dead.

  32. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Peter777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah, the humble foreskin. It protects the glans from abrasion in your pants, holds the smegma in for its anti-pathogenic goodness, is full of nerve endings for... stuff, and probably even helps keep those little amazonian fish from swimming up you. How's it going over there with the quest to surgically banish masturbation? I hear anal sex is becoming really popular in America, on account that circumcised males often can't get enough stimulation from vaginal sex. Not that I've actually looked into it of course. Just one of these things you hear passed about that make sense on the surface.

  33. Ooooh, Terrorists! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
    An Open Letter to Elias Zerhouni and the NewScientist's take on it: Top US biologists oppose biodefence boom
    Efforts to defend the US against bioterrorists - by throwing money at research - are backfiring, says a 750-strong group of top scientists.
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    1. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Anthrax, actually. Odd that we don't hear much of that anymore.

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    2. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Anthrax isn't that dangerous... it was wound up to make everyone really scared but it can't be transmitted between people and is actually quite hard to get even if you're exposed to it (try visiting a farm in South America.. you'll be exposed to gobs of the stuff).

    3. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Exactly. So why spend much more on a cure against Anthrax than against diseases that kill thousands each year? That's what the open letter is about.

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  34. Re:Guaranteed to be modded down but... by hazah · · Score: 1
    I guess the answers to your questions are within your questions: Am I the only one that believes that nature will find a way to fight back at some point no matter what when things are out of balance as they are now?

    This will definately prevent trillions.

    But... I don't necesarily that I need a good pandemic right very this second. I don't really hold on to life desprately, but I'm not all for death either. So here we are.

  35. Am I alone in thinking.... by TeeJS · · Score: 1
    that the graphics are identical to the game Lemonade Tycoon? It makes me want to sell the poor infected souls a cool refreshing drink!

    I am sorry for having spread this addictive agent to you if you haven't been previously exposed.....

  36. Rule the earth today! by rp · · Score: 1

    Rather, it means that when /.'ers rule the earth, they are usually constructing a simulation.

    To me at least the whole project reminds me of another, which has free software to construct even better simulations (multiple viruses at once) - and it allows you to rule the earth at the same time!

    See

    http://pubserver.freeciv.org/viewgame.phtml?game=3 74250

    for an example, and

    http://pubserver.freeciv.org/query.phtml?minplayer s=12&minturns=200

    for a couple more.

  37. Ann vs. Bob by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real cause for concern is not Ann, the typical adult, but Bob, the traveling salesman. Bob comes into contact with hundreds of people spread across a wide area. Bob can give the infection to client sin remote sites and airline passengers. Worse, Bob will give the disease to hotel and airline workers (who spread it to other "Bob"s that travel).

    The connectivity of people lies on a 2-D spectrum of distance and numerousity. Highly connected, highly-travelled people will play a much greater role in spreading the disease than typically-connected, less mobile people. Given the incubation delay and delays in reporting of an epidemic, the Bobs of the world will have done their damage long before the government realizes the danger and closes the airports.

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  38. Dude! by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    Dude, what does mine say?
    Sweet, what does mine say?
    Dude! What does mine say?
    Sweet!! What does mine say?
    Dude!! What does mine say?
    Sweet!!! What does mine say?

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  39. Re:Moderators: GET A CLUE! by kesuki · · Score: 1

    there are people who go around (when they get moderator points) and filter to look for funny mods they don't find funny, and then mod them down, because they think /. is lame, but the mod system is set to pretty much never give those ppl mod points again, so... they make new accounts, get karma up with whoring, and get mod points again, to do it again.. until they get subnet banned.

  40. The AIDS version by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Read Sexual Ecology, by Gabriel Rotello. A Sims-like simulator for AIDS is exactly what's needed to test the theories expressed in that book.

    The current simulator has a model of Portland in it. A mod for San Francisco is an obvious next step.

  41. Epidemic@home? by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    It seems like simulations like these should parallelize nicely, and be ideal for a distributed computing project -- Epidemic@home, anyone? It'd be very interesting to watch running, and would help educate people about how diseases are spread. Of course, you'd probably also want to limit the amount of data conveyed to single users, to keep it from being too useful to "Bad People."

  42. When will Sims Epidemic: The Urbz come out? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Just think of all the fab bubonic plaque carrier tattoos you can adorn your Sim with, while learning useful skills like Retch and Die and Group Infection Hug.

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