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EDS' Secret Love For Linux Laid Bare
Ashcrow writes "'Only a day after flaming open source as insecure, unscalable and unfit for Australian consumption in its Agility Alliance, services vendor EDS has revealed it really does have a soft spot for the penguin deep in its heart.' Apparently the 'Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere' which differs from that they had said earlier."
Now let's all hug.
Left hand, meet right hand. We'll introduce you to brain later.
In other news: EDS global vice president for Agility Alliance Rob Rasmussen was found not to be scalable.
An anonymous insider said, "We still give him rubber pencils and an Etch-A-Sketch for a laptop, he's getting better about drooling, too."
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Ha ha!
Or more to the point, I believe EDS has demonstrated themselves to be unreliable and unscalable...
The results of any study are determined by who commissioned it. So, if this study was commissioned by someone else, of course its results are different.
Apparently Linux, in addition to providing a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere, seems to be free!
In related news, [insert MS joke regarding costing too much and not being nearly as secure].
-Valiss
They'll pretty much say or do whatever people pay them to say or do.
Wear the nun outfit and spank them with a floppy? Sure, they'll do that.
Call you "Mommy" while wearing a swimsuit? For the right price, they're yours!
And to say that Linux is good one day, and insecure the next, well, that's just another whore transaction. All in a day's work for EDS, I guess.
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In their case study, they state "Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere". Maybe that level is lower, not higher? ;-)
"I was against Linux before I voted for it"
Both will tell you just what you want to hear and do just about anything to make a buck.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
EDS - IT Provider of The Beast
I'm just another happy EDS/NMCI end user.
I'm sooo sooo happy I might start laughing and never stop.
*Tries to strangle himself with ethernet cable*
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
Is it even necessary to try and make a joke at the expense of the article title?
MARLA: You fuck me, then snub me. You love me, you hate me. You show me your sensitive side, then you turn into a total asshole! Is that a pretty accurate description of our relationship, Tyler?
JACK (V.O.): We've just lost cabin pressure.
No, seriously, I just come here for the articles.
Is this the geek version of "great tasting" vs "less filling"?
We have many hundreds of Linux boxes in our data center, run by EDS. We have a cluster of about 150 4-way Opteron machines, as well as several other clusters. This is in the US.
I also need to say that our support for Linux & MySQL from the EDS team supporting us has been excellent.
I was disappointed by the comments earlier this week, doubly so as I'm an Australian. I thought my countrymen would have smarter things to say about Linux...
Alan.
You're making the classic mistake of confusing the messenger with the sender. It's really popular these days, though old as the hills: the prophet must be the god he's talking about! When a journal reports hypocrisy, the journal isn't confused - they hypocrite is *confusing* - and maybe confused.
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EDS is a consulting firm. They sell "billable hours." If those billable hours result in an accurate study or a system that works it is strictly because the individuals whose hours were billed happen to do a good job.
Kudos to the submitter, propz unlimited and all that.
I wonder why anyone would listen to EDS about anything.
After all, they don't even listen to themselves.
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
Same that happends with SCO and others.
They never had a legitim bussiness (or they did in the past, but now it's gone), so they are paid to spread FUD; and would just do anything to take the last bucks out of their company.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
1. Researchers have integriddy. Intuhgrity. Inta--that thing where they pursue truth. They develop a hypothesis, test it, and report the results, unvarnished.
2. ????
3. Profit!
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
...a soft spot in the head.
Just after reading about EDS bashing Linux, I read this article. about the myriad of glitches in EDS's software for the Colorado welfare office that is going to cost millions to fix.
Now, they do say that colorado pushed the go live faster than was recommended, but the point is that EDS might not be the one to talk about stability and flexibility.
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Rob Rasmussen: But Linux and open source are good, I can't lie.
Bill Gates: Your daughter is in our custody and we'll leave her only if
Rob Rasmussen: Ok, please don't do anything to her, I'll do what you say.
As I said here and as others have commented about. I guess now that SCO is mostly off the radar, we have a new 3 letter company to make fun of and hate.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
..Stating that Windows Server 2003 is 14% cheaper than 'Linux'
yeah, right.
slightly offtopic, but whatever
I posted about that here.
I guessed I should have submitted it as an article...then I would be cool.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
You know, I hear Oracle is part of that group, now.
[ducks]
I really want to know how these 'Alliances' and think-tanks get formed in the first place. Does Sun come to IBM and say something like:
Sun: Hey, wan't to go in with us on this joint think tank and study group? It will do industry analysis for all of us and we can get them to voice our opinons through their reports. I have a few friends I can pay to sit around and write articles.
IBM: Wait, whose opinions would these be? Yours or ours?
Sun: Does it matter?
IBM: Not really. Ok, I'm in.
Microsoft: Hey, my nephew's a philosophy major and is having trouble finding a job. He's quite a good writer - do you think you could get him a job in it?
Sun: Sure.
IBM: Wait, aren't we all mortal enemies?
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reports saying this and that when us australians don't liste to anyone anyway?
Hoooooo, I get it now. This current news is coming from EDS, but what they had said earlier is coming from Microsoft.
Just like the get the facts caimpain. Everything in true there.
No sig for now.
Look what Colorado got from EDS for our $200,000,000 in taxpayer money:
Benefits plan assailed - Lawsuit targets benefit system - Benefits program hits predicted snags - Loss of aid to poor feared - Computer causing headache, heartache - Computer upgrade in works - Donate food, mayor urges - Judge: Keep system running - Company has other unhappy customers - Computer glitch costly - Food drives ramping up over weekend - Pressure to go online - Mixed results on rollout - Living on the edge - Glitch leaves poor out in cold - Benefits system lawsuit revived - Old system assisted payroll - Woman desperate to get meds for son - Needy could wait months for welfare benefits - Federal report blasts state welfare backlog - Benefits battle boiling - Letter blasts benefits system - Demand for food 'unprecedented' - Consultant derides new benefit system - Nursing home 'crisis' - Counties faulted on benefits - Mother deals with confusion on benefits - Lawyers wrap up arguments on benefits system - Judge: Clear backlog - Family in downward spiral -
If they can't even properly manage their own public communications, I wonder how well they can manage their client's systems?
There are a lot of people out there spreading a lot of FUD (in both camps). But at the end of the day the software that does the work well will win.
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (Highly critical)
Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Server (Highly critical)
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server (Highly critical)
Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Less critical)
Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition (Less critical)
Linux Kernel 2.4.x (Less critical)
Mandrake Linux 9.x (Not critical)
Mandrake Linux 10.1 (less then Not critical)
RedHat Linux 8.0 (Less critical)
RedHat Linux 9.0 (Not critical)
RedHat Enterprise Linux WS 3 (less then Not critical)
No sig for now.
Translation into Real English: Linux is as far below "perfect" as most other Operating Systems out there are below Linux.
Translation of Translation: Linux isn't perfect, but it's heavenly compared to any of the alternatives EDS has tried.
Translation of Translation of Translation: EDS need to see about getting on Prozac.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
An endorsement by EDS ? This could be the end of Linux.
What keeps me going is my inertia.
They've got lots of eggs now -- they just have to scrape it off of their face very carefully and pull their foot out of their mouth. For desert, they can start eating their words.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Who cares what EDS thinks? Sure, they have their hands deep into the pockets of the Fortune 500, but they're no less vulnerable to the effects that Linux may have on the market.
that damn penguin is just to cute to cay no..... not to mention linux's complete customization.... if you dont like a flavor, or a kernal for that matter, just write one for your self....
Seems it be much smarter for EDS to adopt Linux, thereby being able to legally "steal" all the "IP" that their feared competitor IBM is producing.
They way it is now, they just look incompetent.
EDS has been obsessed with being everything to everyone, and this is just another facet to the multiplicitous facade. Once they get someone to buy into either end of the argument, they get their consulting wing fully embedded in the customer and then suck them dry like a vampire on steroids (but not the kind of steroids that make you hit home runs ... no ... the kind that makes you into an egotistical shmuck who feels impervious to the ridicule from such factions of reality as customer satisfaction and cost controls). Please, just spare us any more stories about EDS and their views on Linux!
when it rains, it gets real soggy. when it pours, i'm under the tap just _waiting_ for the joy
Why in the world are people still hiring EDS?
What is wrong with you people?
First Article: From a corporate perspective, we are not confident where Linux is right now today. A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment.
Second Article: Nearly a decade after it was first developed, Linux is gaining popularity with corporate IT departments that admire the operating system for its stability and security.
If most corporations are considered psychopaths, then these guys are schizophrenic.
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Lots and lots of engineering application vendors have their software running on Linux. EDS doesn't ... I wonder why that is?
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Seriously, why does Slashdot consider it news when a bunch of dopes claim they don't like Linux?
I work for EDS, and I have to point a few things out. For one, it's a HUGE corporation...it's a world unto itself. We've got over 120,000 employees all over the planet, on nearly every continent and in every time zone. You always have to take what one guy says with a grain of salt; there are very few universal truths that cover all of EDS, and none of them have to do with a preference for a kind of technology, one way or the other. For gods sake, I'm sure there's a linux beowulf cluster somewhere, and a whole lot of Windows ME somewhere else.
I'd also like to point out that the previous article about the EDS "stance" was very likely taken somewhat out of context by the reporter. You've got a guy high up in EDS saying that in enterprise environments, linux doesn't match up to Solaris 10, and in a lot of ways he's right. If you doubt that, check out Solaris 10 and its new features. It rocks like mad, and I do prefer linux to Solaris.
No large enterprise on the planet is all of anything; even Microsoft got caught running linux and a BSD variant at times. So let's get over the notion that one guy out of 120,000 may not like linux so much yet still have it in his corporate environment?
Oh, and I use linux daily in my work at EDS, just to be clear on the subject, and rarely touch Solaris.
For your security, this post has been encrypted with ROT-13, twice.
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i) EDS are a fucking joke. Check their track record on UK Government projects if you don't believe me.
ii) anyone who thinks linux offers security and stability unavailable elsewhere has never seen Unix before.
They didn't receive the promised cheque from Microsoft, and, as such, has a spontaneous bout of truth-telling.
Precisely, because according to any source that actually reports exploits, Linux is NOT secure by a long shot. "Linux: if you want security/stability/QA/testing/cleanliness/develope r coordination, you know where to find it"
if EDS really uses Linux behind the scenes then they have
some creadability to their Linux bashing. I have been using
Linux for almost 10 years and some things are still not
quite there like for example: decent crash dump analisys
hardware vendors adding better support for capturing microcode
error logs. these are just a few examples. please don't think
that I hate Linux or think that it sucks in any way. it has been
a long time since I have used a windows system as my desktop.
Linux has given me the flexablity to do my job better and has
saved me alot of money. so to top it off EDS can E^T ME
...Netcraft confirms BSD is dying.
EDS's heart is in the right place, but their remark "The new Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere.", is incorrect.
{Free,Open,Net}BSD provide no less security and reliability than Linux. You certainly cannot forkbomb them to death, for instance, whereas that's true of some Linux distros.
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Eventually Deliver Something.
The operating system is responsible for the direct control and management of hardware and basic system operations. If you look up any decent definition of what an operating system is, you'll find that it is a lower layer that includes the kernel (say for instance William Stallings book on Operating Systems). Application software uses the operating system.
You're thinking of a distribution. I suggest you check your facts next time.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
here http://www.unixsucks.com/ is the source
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. I know a guy that works in a pet store, and he doesn't eat the dog food he sells either.
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I was a Systems Engineer back in the late 90's till the 00's at EDS and I was a major advocate of Linux in their "Internet and New Media" divsion. I wrote a proposal for Linux and was brutally shot down by upper managment that Linux was a fad and going no where. So I am suprised to see EDS embracing it, years after the fact. Of course this is the same company that said IP was going no where and the industry/money would always be in Mainframe.
Give me a break, I was a Systems Engineer at EDS in the late 90's till 00's in the "Internet and New Media" division (also known as C20, Chaos to Order) and I had written a proposal to upper managment about how Linux would be the next breaking wave and we should start some initiative into it. I got shot down and told "Linux was a fad and would never amount to anything". Of course this was the same company that said "IP would never amount to anything, mainframes are where all the money and buisness is at, midrange is just a fad...". Go figure they endorse Linux years after it is mainstream.
EDS has keyed into the word "agile" for 2005, presumably after the word was popularized by eXtreme programming. So now EDS sales and management organizations are high on it, without having the first notion of what it means other than some vague notion that someones going to have to get fired.
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There are some great developers and technicians at EDS but, as an organisation, it's over-ripe for a shake up along the lines of IBM in the '90s: dumping the infinite layers of middle managers that contribute nothing but useless, self justifying administration.
Robb Rasmussen should be the first candidate, simply because he doesn't have the first clue about what he's talking about. How he can go on the record (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,20000617
"A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment."
Think the word you were groping for there was 'securing' Robb.
"We see some of the same things occurring that did to Unix -- it could splinter into many different types of languages."
Errr... Linux is an operating system, not a language. Could it be you're getting confused with MS's contributions to Java, Robb?
"We are concerned about security on an open standard environment like that."
Errr Robb. You're really starting to lose it now. Linux is Open Source - perhaps that's what you meant to say? TCP/IP - now that's an open standard. But wait - perhaps you're on to something. If TCP/IP wasn't open, we wouldn't have an Internet and no one would be reading your claptrap. Perhaps the world _would_ then be a safer place?
"Also, we are somewhat cautious about what happened with Unix - it splintered into eight applications"
Robb. Um. Well Unix is also an operating system, not an application. But wait - this will blow your mind - Linux is a flavor of Unix! Dammit Unix has splintered again!
"We are also concerned about some of the scalability issues that we are seeing on our clients on a global basis."
Think you need to work on your prepositions there Robb. Perhaps keep the sentences shorter and resist the temptation to throw in words like 'global', even if they make you sound like a big man.
"we are not seeing a compelling cost advantage that would lend us towards Linux"
You mean Linux doesn't help you fire anyone? Perhaps you could do us all a favor and volunteer yourself as a potential cost factor for EDS?
If the US isn't run by feckless meglomaniac nutters, then pleases explain what this is all about. Read their "statement of principles".
the .aspx extension should give you a clue :)
Aaaawww... how cute. Lets all reunite with some blueberry pie.
Well I work for EDS in the UK and keep suggesting we use GNU/Linux in our server estate (especially for hosting various bits of intranet stuff) and the message that comes down from on high is a straight forward "we're an MS only shop".
:)
In the past we've also been told we can't use Open Source software for Windows because "There's no one to send a bill to". Yet we're also supposed to save money wherever possible ? durrghh... it's a good job I'm not a robot or the logic conflict would cause a short circuit in my brian matrix
However you can rest assured that the true techies amongst us absolutely LOVE GNU/Linux and would merrily remove all traces of MS in the server rooms.
And at this point I shan't mention that the team I work for actually have got a couple of GNU/Linux boxes doing stuff (on a small private network) because we're not allowed to have them so they don't really exist and I'm hallucinating right now. Look pink elephants. No over there. See ? See ?
I suspect the same is true of most big companies in that the techies want Linux/*BSD/OSX etc. but the PHBs simply don't get it and think this will mean the end of the world.
Another great factor is that by using proprietary software there's a whole bunch of people needed to have meetings with suppliers, negotiate contracts, manage accounts, file receipts, write financial reports, do audits etc. etc. In other words provide jobs for the nice middle class kids who went to university and got a degree but are actually fuck all use for anything (yes I deal with plenty of these on a day to day basis)
C'est la vie.
..as a contractor.. they're scared to death of linux, but we use open source damn near every where else when we can. I do a lot of j2ee and most of the tools/api's we use outside of the standard sdk are all opensource.
24 hours for a total U-turn! Now that is what I call agility!
Reminiscent of Tony Blair (oddly, a valued customer of EDS) at his best...