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Local Internet TV Takes Off In Austria
Cyrus writes "The BBC reports on an Austrian village that is testing technology which could represent the future of television. The pilot has been so successful that Telekom Austria is now considering setting up other projects elsewhere." From the article: "The hardware and software to turn video footage into edited programmes has been provided by Telekom Austria but this equipment, following training, has been turned over to the villagers. Any video programme created by the villagers is uploaded to a Buntes Fernsehen portal that lets people browse and download what they want to watch. "
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I can see the benefits possible with on-demand television. Downloading what you want to watch and watching it. The idea has been proposed before and is not really new.
What seems to be new here is the local production and upload of television programmes. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I don't see this being adopted worldwide. Consider something like this being implemented in a large city. Not only would you possibly now have thousands of options to download in varying degrees of insanely crappy quality, but I'm sure you'd also fill up these "portals" with tons of crap uploaded by people thinking they are doing a public service.
Unfortunately, if this kind of idea takes off, we wouldn't be able to just limit it to places that need it, like rural areas that otherwise don't have their own coverage. I'm no fan of the news media industry, but there is a reason people go to school for journalism and don't become newscasters simply by living in an area where news is made.
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This will be outlawed in the US faster than you can imagine. The Republicans and the Democrats have already been bought out by the various conglomerates (**COUGH** Disney **COUGH**) for copyright extention, I can't imaging them allowing something like this to flourish. They'll say it smacks of Communism or something.
Take a valid indie video stream, encode pirated data stream inside of it, hey, instant government sponsered w@rez trading!
granted the large file sizes would make this somewhat problamatic, but hey, the servers are paid for, and I assume the server's bandwidth is too, and over modern broadband (500KB/s to 1MB/s), downloading even a 1gb release for 500 or so MB of data isn't too bad if you save time by not having to crawl all over the internet trying to find the file in the first place!
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There wasn't a mention of BitTorrent anywhere in the article. Despite the naysayers, it *is* possible to synergize television and the internet (and the subsequent distributions of tv programs) *without* using BT. I found that rather interesting.
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they've just made Public Access Television: Internet Edition
What good is it? Face it, because it's made by a local village, and unless said village is home to TV broadcast crews, it's essentially PAT on the internet. I don't see why anyone would care.
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Err...if we haven't put it on the internet, then I'm not sure how you can declare we've "been there, done that." That would be like making fun of someone who managed to build a car powered by cold-fusion, and stating, "we (America)'ve been there, done that, only our cars run on gas."
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there is a big problem with this whole issue: under their current pricing scheme, it it impossible to watch more than 1 hour of tv per month.
they charge about 5 cent per MB for downloads above their limit of 1 GB/month.
if they would introduce a fair pricing scheme, some people would be able to use broadband technology is a meaningful way.
in austria, alternative providers are only slowly gaining ground.
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How many places can you think of where you can check out a broadcast video camera, use a fully equipped and lit television studio, or edit on an Avid, along with being trained in the operation of each for free? Television is much more than how you receive it, there's an entire process behind it. This operation in Austria is not just about doing television over the internet, it's about empowering the community to create mass media, which public access is already doing in the United States.
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Do they come with adverts as well or are they an optional add in? Perhaps you could even choose the type of ads you want to interupt your programs...
Sure there would be a huge amount of drek produced. But that's whay reviews and ratings are for, because you know there are thousands of people that really DO have the time to scan through every single crappy show ever made on such a system to rate them.
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It's basically the same as Public Access, but with more advanced technology. You seem to be quite taken with the phrase, "on the internet." Would you be interested in providing some mezzanine financing to my start up? We need a new mezzanine. =)
However, dismissing this as "been there, done that" is kind of lame. It's attitudes like that that stunt curiosity, and seem so typical of too many people. You're totally right, we should be interested in how they're doing it.
And about that mezzanine. I was thinking something rococo, but not too overdone.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Outlawed? That can't be since the very laws that protect Disney also apply to whatever third-rate TV communitied can put together.
Basically what needs to happen in regards to copyright extenstion is a end-run that cuts of Disney's oxygen - and it's already happening. They've run out of old stories to steal from and even very old stuff is still under copyright, thanks to them, and thus very expensive to get rights for. So they shut of the source of much creativity and are slowly strangling on what is left.
New media companies need to spring up that realize the value in letting people download and actualy own digital copies of media. I think perahps one of the online movie stores may go that way someday. It's basically the only thing that will self-regulate the pressure from overly long copyright extention.
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PBS != Public access. PBS is publicly funded television. Public access is publicly *created* television, as in, any member of the community can go in, learn how to use the equipment, and make their own television program.
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Err...if we haven't put it on the internet, then I'm not sure how you can declare we've "been there, done that.
Well, if you can have a world series without inviting any other country to play in it, rest assured that you can declare anything you want.
I didn't say that what they're doing in Austria is a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's not unique. We're already doing it in the States.
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Alps is some sort of dog food, you idiot. You obviously have no concept of geogramaphy.
It's about sausages, beer, sauerkraut and leederhosen.
OK, I didn't get that. Sorry to criticize you for being blase and cynical if you're not.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Assuming that you are being funny, this is actually an issue. Every Xmas, my mom has to watch the postal clerk like a hawk to ensure that the gifts for my relatives in Innsbruck (AUSTRIA) don't end up headed for the land of Fosters and British deportees.
and who actually watches public access TV?
Pretty much nobody, though the coverage of high school sports is a pretty good draw for parents and athletes.
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If other companies would follow this example, perhaps WKNO (Public US Broadcast station) would start offering their content for immediate online review or download, and perhaps start forcing other megaconglomerate companies to start offering some other similar-in-quality shows for their dedicated people. And if it's offered for download, for free, at anytime, technically (Please correct me if I am wrong) But once offered for public consumption, it should remain in public domain, correct? Can't sue me for having and re-distributing something you're offering for free to the general internet public, right?
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Most of europe has this crap on cable TV . we have generaly one chan relegated for local intrest storys by members of the community , there is hardly ever anything on them and when there is , it is ussualy utter tripe ,Though i admit i havn't owned a TV cappable of reciving Broadcasts for 2 years now , i doubt its changed much . ,but i can not say every country and every place therein . .
Ok perhaps im generalisng saying all of europe , but ive seen this in a fair few places and several difrent countrys here
It does exist here though and it has done for a fair few years
I dont know how bad it is over in the USA , but i know for a fact that its really quite a load of rubbish o'er here
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Most public access in the US is pretty bad. You're talking about asking people who don't do video for a living being asked to make a television show. While the facility will teach you how to run the equipment, actually making good television is another thing altogether. Either you have it or you don't, and most people who have it are doing it for a living already.
The only thing really worthwhile is sports coverage, if you're interested in high school sports for some reason. Even then, production values aren't anywhere close to what you'll see on broadcast TV. Where painting a computer-generated line on a football field in real time is fairly commonplace in broadcast TV, public access thinks it's pretty cool just to be able to get remaining yardage into a graphic on every play. I apologize for my ameri-centricism here, if you don't follow our football.
There is a show called "Nate on Drums" which started on public access and was actually so good it was put on broadcast television. But that sort of thing is rare.
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how many people noticed it being austria instead of australia?
(ok, so it's 08:35 here in Austria (we just switched to that awful DST some hours ago), we celebrated the fact that some cool guy who was dead suddenly left his grave, and I'm really tired, so excuse me if what I say doesn't make much sense.)
Things you should know, before cheering about this "empowerment of the public" et c.:
"Telekom Austria" is our telecommunication monopolist. Since about 10 years there are competitors, but they don't stand a chance. The dinosaur "Terrorkom" has much more money for ads, and still owns most of the cables (and charges too much for competitors who want to rent them).
So it's _not_ a "good" company. They don't do things because of some leftist empowerment-shit, they want to make more money.
Second: Sounds like that thing only works with their own DSL-solution, which is the crappiest available in Austria (crappy as in "slow, unstable, too low traffic limit, too expensive").
Maybe this'll give you an idea: http://www.aon.at/
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"and who actually watches public access TV?"
Well the villagers in Austria apparently. But seriously; if they make interesting shows people will watch it, I would at least. Just because a show is on a major channel doesn't automatically mean its any good. And just because it's on public access doesn't automatically mean that it sucks. Though the larger networks have bigger budgets and their shows are more polished, in my opinion many of those shows are soulless. I would rather watch a low quality show that's interesting, then a high quality show that's boring. Anyway, that's just my point of view.
What I want to know is how they decided what's suited and what's unsuited for these shows. What kind of regulation do they have concerning profanity, sex and violence?
ah thats ok then ,You completly did lose me on the American football stuff Though i did used to play rugby in school so its probably similar . . ,I would be intrested in having this here perhaps get some information on local herritage in a live action form , as restoration work does intrested me , and there is plenty to do around these parts .
I suppose people cant be expected to do it right , when 99% of those who do it for a living dont know how to do it properly
I am in germany right now in a village , so i dont even get cable here , even if i wanted to have it , I can see some use to this internet personal broadcasting(i dont like the sudo-word podcasting , so im calling it Iperbocasting or iperbo for short , itjust as silly and dosn'T sound like a plants mating ritual)
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How is this going to be much use in the USA... Won't the pictures be upside down?
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The station I work at does. You callin' me a liar?
Like a another poster, you might be confusing public access with public television. Different things, public television is publicly funded and they leave programming up to the professionals. This is where you watch Sesame Street and Nova. Public access is where you get to see such gems as The Psycholuna Network and Wayne's World. Yes, I know Wayne's World is fictional.
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called HomeChoice.They provide Delayed TV and Movies on Demand.
However the real thing will be Aunty Beeb's program download service which may launch end of this year.
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Not sure the Blue Jays would agree with you there. The Toronto Blue Jays, to be precise. I really wish I had more to contribute to that discussion than nitpicking about baseball, especially since I am Austrian, but I never heard about that project before now. I also still hold a grudge against Telekom Austria from the time when they were a state owned monopoly .
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