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New Photoshop Details Leaked
Odie writes "Oops. Looks like Adobe accidentally let slip the details of the next Photoshop version due on Friday. According to BetaNews, the next version, dubbed Photoshop CS2, is supposed to add several new features such as Image Warp and Vanishing Point, as well as changing around the file browser to allow users access to royalty-free images from five providers for use in their work.
The new version is due in May according to the press release which BetaNews saw."
I don't believe the screenshots, I bet they've all been photoshop'ed...
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What are the chances they'll make a linux version. I haven't gotten any versions past 6 to run with wine.
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Oops. Looks like Adobe accidentally let slip the details of the next PhotoShop version due on Friday. According to BetaNews, the next version, dubbed PhotoShop CS2,
Let me be the first to correct the editor and say it's Photoshop, not PhotoShop.
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I hope the new version is out before a change to the $1 bill happens.
A tool known as Vanishing Point will allow the user to recolor and transform objects in an image without altering its perspective.
Maybe its just me, but I've never had a problem with the perspective on an object while I was modifying the color. Now, if I'm using the transform function, I probably do want to alter the perspective.
What does this tool do again?
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I went to a Pro Photoshop conference a couple months back where Burt Monroy had a talk. He's an alpha tester for Adobe and people were asking about whether adobe was working on certain features.
One feature he mentioned that was a big one for the next version of photoshop, and something they were having a lot of trouble with, was Layer Filters. Much like the Adjustment Layer, you can apply a filter on a layer and turn the effects of the filter on and off. It's more than the LayerEffects because those are limited to drop shadows and glows and the like, where LayerFilters let you apply a blur or noise or even KPT and third-party filters.
I'm psyched about that. although, I feel that Photoshop is getting quite bloated. My favourite version of photoshop is still 5.5. Too bad it doesn't work in OSX. CS does have some nice features, though...
IllustratorCS is getting a bit bloated lately, too. Runs like crap on lower-end machines. Illustrator used to be the one adobe product that ran well even on older hardware (until version 9 with those Raster Effects).
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The only thing this program can't do is make me a talented photographer.
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Considering the time it takes to start the program (from clicking the icon to scanning plugins to open the window with picture), I think 5 days starting time for the next version isn't that bad.
Ouch. Am I the only one who thinks it a bit much when applications software costs more than the OS?
Then again, judging by how popular it is I guess it must be worth it to some people.
I really wish other media (sound, music, pictures) was as clear cut as software when it comes to free usage.
For example, if I wanted to write a piece of software and needed icons for it, I might be able to find some but rarly do you get any kind of guarentee that they won't turn around and sue you.
Point is, this feature is welcome as long as they are very explicit about *exactly* how you can use this material.
As long as it restricts loading of certain documents such as paper currency, I am not interested. Adobe is a tool.
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It's depressing to see how many people will cough up half a grand on the next release of Photoshop every year or two, even though the new features are very small improvements. They complain constantly about product activation problems, but they don't even consider the idea of using a different product.
And how many photographers and artists heard about the Sklyarov case? Virtually zero. A vanishingly small number of people have even heard about it, nevermind formed an opinion, nevermind see it as a cause for avoiding the company.
Use something else. Anything else. I've purchased no Adobe software in the past five years (except I discarded an OEM bundled thing that came with my camera). Unfortunately, companies like Microsoft and Adobe has reached a critical mass where they're immensely insulated from consumer backlash: consumers with apathy and ignorance far outspends the consumers with objections.
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the announcement is this friday, not the actual new version of photoshop. that is due in may.
I do use the File Browser, find it useful, and don't like you thinking that just because it isn't important to you that no one else should have it either.
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Will it come with a stop watch?
the details of the next PhotoShop version due on Friday... The new version is due in May...
So, wait. Is the new version due on Friday, or is it due in May? I'm seriously confused by this poorly worded sentence.
Will someone remind me what it is the Slashdot editors do?
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But but what we really want to know is if it will run on Linux?
I think it is called marketing and its goal is to create buzz...and /. bought it, hoook, line and sinker
Here is the original press link as linked by one of the comments on the article's page.
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Nobody uses Photoshop? To me thats like saying nobody uses Microsoft Word. Yes, there are alternatives, but I wouldn't ignore almost every design shop in the world... Photoshop is the standard.
I'd imagine that Photoshop's target market is not limited to those in the SA/Fark.com Photoshop arena.
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am i the only one who's excited about finally (after how many versions of the premier general purpose graphics program) getting a WYSIWYG font selector?
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
PhotoShop CS2? Not a very creative name for this Creative Suite.
If you are implying like... GIMP being a "simplier" design, then I will simply point and laugh at you.
Photoshop is good. I may have a biasedness toward it, because I learned how to use it with Photoshop 2.0 in Computer Graphics/Advanced Comp Graphics AP in highschool, on a Mac.
Saying that, Photoshop could certainly draw a parallel in the same way that I play Quake with just the keyboard... in the beginning there was Wolf3d and the keyboard... then Doom. Doom just added a couple of keys.. Doom 2 added a couple more. Quake added a few. Quake 2 added a few. Sure, it would be hard to learn to play well with the keyboard in Quake 2 if you are just starting out, but creaping in features every iteration is easy to adapt to.
When it comes down to it, if you do professional graphics, you use photoshop whether you like it or not. And with that, you will know how to use it. Most people on the "intarweb" with bad photoshop opinions simply warez'd some version, and cant figure out how all of those artists make such pretty pictures
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They have a total monopoly in the professional image editing marketspace. There are no other products. Gimp (which I prefer in many cases) can't do half of the things a professional graphic artist needs, plus the UI is too different to efficiently switch. And when looking at photo editing, I havent' seen ANY product that has good RAW support other than Photoshop (and its support is mediocre at best).
Photoshop is a professional tool aimed at a professional market. $149 is nothing, and even the full retail price is a pittance compared to what professional users get out of it. Photoshop's a hell of a lot cheaper than assembling and maintaining a darkroom.
You can make $149 back in no time, not to mention it's chump change compared to printing equipment. For that matter, the Photoshop CS upgrade was $169, so CS2 is cheaper.
Usually the better deal is to upgrade the whole suite at once. The retail version of all the products together is $1,000, but you can get the upgrade for $550. That's a hell of a bargain for three world-class apps. (Acrobat is fine too, I suppose, but it's hardly in the same class.)
If you say anything like that again we're going to awp you in the head.
".. not like anyone uses any more is it"
Maybe if you live under a rock called the Web thats true.
Show me something else that does CMYK and seperation as well out there in the PRINT world ?
I hate PS, but in that market its the only game in town, all those patents and work they put into it.
In case you dont know CMYK is what all 4 color process is done with, 4 color process being whats used to PRINT paper thingies....
This can be important. There was a very old desktop publishing package called "PublishIt". Many did call it "PubliShit".
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As powerful as Adobe software is, every time I look at their user interfaces, I feel as though I'm at the controls of an alien spaceship. "Kiptain! Eet's... Eet's... I don't know, Sar!"
More often than not, I end up firing the photon torpedoes at myself.
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
For at least the last two version, yes. The new version is supposed to add support for more complicated high-fidelity color file formats, like the new standard OpenEXR format.
What I've been waiting could best be described as Shake for stills. Many times I find myself wanting to use layer combining to create an mask channel, or use the same alpha channel as the mask for multiple layers (in ways that a masked layer group won't allow). Combine this with Photoshop's existing tools and the Filter Layers that have been alluded to and you'd have a really powerful compositing system. Unfortunately, nobody seems to be offering such an environment.
This isn't as much "normalization" as it is "don't take so many drugs when you're designing tables."
You know, this "let's steal everything that's not fucking nailed down" attitude is driving this once-interesting web site into the ground.
Like the others, I'd suggest picasa. You're going to have a hard time getting any program to bypas the printer's option screen. Most programs are just going to send data to the printer's API, then the driver handles it from there. Other than that, Picasa does a great job organizing, and a pretty good job with the rest of the stuff. I know it will do straignten, crop, redey, contrast, colorlevels... I think it may do noise as well.
And don't forget, the prices is great. I think the MSRP is $0, but if you go to picasa.com I think you can get it for less.
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Sound like a plan?
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We know counterfeiters love it. What about others?
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Don't complain about Photoshop's price. It really is dirt cheap compared to other professional grade applications. If you want something cheaper, use The Gimp. It's available for Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X.
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Are these compelling features to anybody? It seems to me like Photoshop is a product that's just reached the limit of being able to produce worthwhile upgrades. I'm sure a lot of these features are nice, but come on. Photoshop 6 does the job just fine. Version 7 is better, but a couple hundred dollars better? The same goes for CS and now CS2. I applaud adobe for making what is, to my mind, one of the most usable pieces of software ever given complexity of the job it does, but you've got to let your customers off the hamster wheel upgrade cycle at some point... don't you?
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...And I just got done downloading CS...
Some of the RAW features are pretty compelling. For instance the ability to more easily batch process RAW files without the main executable being loaded can be pretty useful. And the ability to crop and strighten an image before you even do the raw processing is really nice since it lets you keep the RAW file around as the canonical imagine instead of a TIFF file with rotation and cropping applied.
For anyone not using RAW images though I would have to say the changes sound more marginal.
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This is the version I've been waiting for. You know, the one where you can take a grainy picture of a person standing two blocks away and zoom in to create an 11x14 enlargement of the person's index fingerprint. Come on Adobe!
I used GIMP a lot, but until it gets an equivalent of the Photoshop Mesh Warp tool (one that doesn't require a C compiler to install), I'm missing a critical tool.
Unless I need to subtract the values of one channel from the values of another channel, save the results of that as a third channel and apply that as a feathered mask to an image. Or if I need to work in CMYK. Or if I need to save an image as a DCS with two spot and one varnish channels. Or if I need to do all three to the same 500 megabyte image. . .
Nothing else does what Photoshop does as well as it does it. Despite my growing anger towards Adobe (can the next version be twice as bloated, please?) Photoshop is one of the few programs for which there is no substitute.
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Amen to this. I mean, Photoshop is not bad at all - but it's not the only package around either. And it's gotten bloated as hell. The analogy with Windows is interesting. Its success comes from an agressive marketing strategy *and* the fact that many people use cracked versions. Yeppers guys: I'm pretty convinced neither Windows nor Photoshop would be as successful as it is today it they had not been cracked for years. And you'd be surprised how many professional users use cracked software as well. At the very least, it has helped building a solid user base.
That being said, it all depends on what you call "professional users". Photoshop may be intensively used in the journalism world, but is that professional graphics or mere "image tweaking"?... As for people who really make images for images themselves, as in the movies industry, or photography, they use many other software packages. Some of them are not even Windows- nor MacOS-based...
Most people who think that good photographs are created in Photoshop are simply lousy photographers. If you know your craft, you'll need to do very little work in a photo editor.
God, I get so sick of this line of thinking. Why was it valid for a photographer like Ansel Adams to use extensive darkroom manipulation to get a great print, yet somehow unacceptable for a modern photographer to use Photoshop in much the same way? I hate to break it to you, but I think Ansel Adams would have LOVED Photoshop.
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Actually, thats like saying nobody uses oxygen to breathe.
The percentage of serious designers that use PS is probably above 95%.
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Despite the name, Photoshop is not only used for photo manipulation. I don't even own a digital camera and I use Photoshop extensively in the creation of textures for video games, abstract art, graphic design (as in logos and banners and such), interface design, and so forth. For all of these things, Photoshop is wonderful, and what you probably consider "gimmicks" in the realm of photo manipulation are indisposable tools for some of the things that I do.
All that said, I could certainly think up ways to redesign the interface from scratch a lot better, since I generally don't like monolithic apps like this on principle; but given that that's the paradigm we're working in, with an app-centric monolithic world, I think Photoshop does a pretty decent job of what it does.
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Don't worry, there will be a new "Enhance" menu. It will have sub-items "zoom in on that", "Can you see what's behind that", "What is that a reflection?" and "Clear that up". These commands only work if someone is looking over your shoulder, never alone. It has been rumored that there will be a "run through APHIS" command, but this may be disabled in the consumer edition. Myself, I would rather add "Undo stupid changes" to Edit, but that's just me.
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Man, that drives me crazy! STOP trying to think FOR me, dammit! I don't want ANY auto features if I can't switch them off. I know how big I want my work window, so stop changing it according to some ill-inspired whim of whatever chief Adobe designer happened to be sprouting 'decisions' that week.
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There are two must-have upgrade reasons to get PS CS 2:
1. 64-bit for performance and file size
2. To add your camera if you have a new one.
The first, 64-bit, is noticably missing from PS CS 2. Adobe is saying that CS2 will "prepare for 64-bit" -- whatever that means -- but that it is still a 32-bit app.
The second, is to add support for new cameras that have come out that were not included in the last RAW plug-in. The new Nikon D2X is notably in the list.
One day, "The" Gimp may be passable as a user friendly professional grade tool (and I think it WILL reach that point), but it's not their yet. For all-around usability and functionality, there are still man tools out there that are cheaper (MUCH) than Photoshop with a MUCH lower learning curve than "The" Gimp.
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1) Better 16-bit color support. Currently only a small set of filters can be applied to a 16-bit image, the rest require 8-bit conversion.
2) Better integration of the Camera Raw plugin into the existing product. Why can't we just import raw images as 16-bit from the File menu and then enhance them using filters? No-one uses the brightness, contrast and sharpness settings in Camera Raw anyway.
3) Move Camera Raw filters such as color noise reduction, luminance noise reduction and vignetting correction into the filter menu (see above).
4) Improve the noise reduction filters. The luminance noise reduction filter is too weak and the color noise reduction filter is too strong.
5) Increase the feathering limit past 250px.
6) Fix those annoying "pure virtual function call" exceptions. I've seen this a number of times when using actions.