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Ars Technica Builds Make Magazine's Steadicam

An anonymous reader writes "Make magazine has been out for a little over a month now and was given high marks in a Slashdot review. Ars Technica has taken their review one step further by building the $14 steadicam project and testing it out. (be sure to check out the QuickTime video at the end to see their results...)"

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  1. make magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    make: *** No rule to make target `magazine'. Stop.

    1. Re:make magazine by agraupe · · Score: 1

      Well, someone didn't get the joke... this deserves to be modded funny!

    2. Re:make magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You poor S.O.B. - you're still trying to use Make. 1970 called, they want their build system back.

      Try using Scons, a modern fully-featured build system for teh win!

    3. Re:make magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or someone got the joke and just decided it wasn't funny?

    4. Re:make magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scons would have much more credibility if its site was ugly and bare like most GNU sites. As it is now, I have no choice but to ignore scons and never look back.

    5. Re:make magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build information should be declarative like make and ant so non-programmers can use it, not like writing a program as SCons does it. That's just the wrong design.

    6. Re:make magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody wants to use your non-standard strange build system. Please stop spamming. Thanks.

  2. Lego solves rubik's cube by rescendent · · Score: 3, Funny

    I like the Lego solving a rubik's cube... I thought of some great ideas using the Lego computer, but I never had _that_ kind of vision!

    1. Re:Lego solves rubik's cube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arse technica-ha-ha?

    2. Re:Lego solves rubik's cube by rescendent · · Score: 1

      Its in the main review rather than the bit about the steady-cam if you missed it...

    3. Re:Lego solves rubik's cube by MemeRot · · Score: 1
      I like that too, but I first read about it on Slashdot in like 2001 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/07/013324 8&mode=thread/. By the way, the program that controlled the Lego Rubik robot I read about? Written in Visual Basic. More details here. By the way, he's willing to distribute his code to anyone that has an urgent need for solving a rubik's code in visual basic 5 using lego mindstorm robots. Why the possibilities are endless :)

      By the way, am I missing something? I RTFA, but I didn't see Lego mentioned in there. Curiously enough, searching Ars Technica did give this result:
      People all over this world are making things. (Imagine that!) Shown here is a Lego machine that can solve a Rubik's Cube, a guy who built a keg-cooler based on the Peltier effect, and a computer that calculates...
      But I couldn't find that anywhere in the article. Are these comments just recycled from the last time this review was posted?
    4. Re:Lego solves rubik's cube by rescendent · · Score: 1
      I was looking at the review link, rather than the Quicktime link(which went straight to the steady-cam...)
      Ars Technica has taken their review http://arstechnica.com/reviews/other/make_magazine .ars one step further by building the $14 steadicam project and testing it out.
  3. Something O'Reilly got high marks on Slashdot? by tquinlan · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's next? People around here will praise Linux? ;)

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    1. Re:Something O'Reilly got high marks on Slashdot? by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Funny

      no, ms open sources windows under gpl

    2. Re:Something O'Reilly got high marks on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe Slashdot will get their own internet service? That'll be the day!

    3. Re:Something O'Reilly got high marks on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's next? The dupe, of course :)

    4. Re:Something O'Reilly got high marks on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we could just hate them for infecting the open source community with their software instead of making it hard to get.

    5. Re:Something O'Reilly got high marks on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there is already lots of low quality code under the GPL, if Windows was realeased under it, it doesn't make it any better. Still buggy, bad security, unstable, poorly designed (well, not really designed at all - jusy evolved and hacked together).

      I think I'll stick with my stable OS (not a MS one!)

  4. As expected? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the article:

    For those stuck on dial-up, here is a quick summary of our results:

    * Both "handheld" shots were very shaky with the electronic stabilization performing only marginally better.
    * The "steadicam only" shot was a significant improvement over either "handheld" shot.
    * Turning on the electronic stabilization made the "steadicam" shot even smoother.

    Despite all of this, we found that there was still a little bit of shake in the picture. We expect that a little practice with the steadicam could have vastly improved our shooting technique. All in all, we would say that this project was a big success!


    I saw the video. It was a little better, but the combination of the two made it much better. Unfortunately, it's still far too shaky to consider it useful for any indie film that doesn't want to be branded with the Blair Witch style. So why would you go to the trouble?

    1. Re:As expected? by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So why would you go to the trouble?

      Because there are many thousands of us who shoot video on a level between "dad in the backyard with the kids" and "Oscar nominee" who might want some improvement in our quality?

    2. Re:As expected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to make it steadier, so that your folks won't vomit when watching the wedding film?

      anyways.. the guy seemed very very very shaky. maybe he had missed his tobacco.

    3. Re:As expected? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative
      I would add that most of these $15 'steadicams' are equivalent to many of the low-end steadicams that normally don't sell for that much money. The really high-end stuff (e.g. for helicopters) involves gyros to maintain stability against the natural tendency to vibrate, while still allowing gradual motion.

      One could easily add some small gyros to a handheld steadicam design and still come out fairly inexpensive. Take three 6v electric motors and a 6v battery. Add a wheel on the end of each motor, and mount them so that the wheels spin in three planes. Add weights to the wheels to balance them. Continue adding weights until you have enough stabilization. Place this apparatus in a padded box to keep it quiet, and mount the box.

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    4. Re:As expected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I saw the video. It was a little better, but the combination of the two made it much better. Unfortunately, it's still far too shaky to consider it useful for any indie film that doesn't want to be branded with the Blair Witch style. So why would you go to the trouble?

      First, as has been pointed out, the aforementioned "Steadicam" is a rehash of an old article that's been on the net for quite a while.

      Second, the original article points out that to use it correctly takes a fair amount of practice. The Ars Technica guys probably practiced for what, one or two minutes? Not really a fair test.

      Note that I'm not slamming the Ars Technica guys. The point of their article was to review the magazine, not some toy steadicam.

    5. Re:As expected? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ars' video samples are really subpar for this type of device. Slashdot covered a story on a nearly identical setup here about a year ago and the results are *much* more impressive. As with anything, experience and practice make all the difference in the world. Ars is a great site, but film isn't exactly their focus. :-)

    6. Re:As expected? by Deffexor · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unfortunately, it's still far too shaky to consider it useful for any indie film that doesn't want to be branded with the Blair Witch style. So why would you go to the trouble?

      I'll offer up an answer, since I wrote the review.

      I realized today that there was a small problem with our video test: we weren't following any subject. Most steadicam shots are either following a subject or moving around a subject within a few feet of the camera. As you saw in the test, there was no subject. Consequently, even the tiniest movements seemed to make the whole world shake.

      The other half (as I mentioned in the review) was that we didn't practice much with the steadicam. I imagine with a little work, we could have gotten a really nice shot. One of the areas that could have used some practice was paying attention to how the side bar is held (since it controls the side-to-side motion). You'll see in the last shot that overall it is very smooth, except that there is a little side to side movement.

      All in all, the $14 steadicam was a fun build and worthwhile if you don't have a few thousands dollars for a real steadicam.

    7. Re:As expected? by badasscat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ars' video samples are really subpar for this type of device. Slashdot covered a story on a nearly identical setup here about a year ago and the results are *much* more impressive. As with anything, experience and practice make all the difference in the world.

      This is probably key - professional steadicam operators are trained specifically in how to operate a steadicam (they're not just camera operators who decide to strap on a rig one day for kicks). If you've ever seen any behind-the-scenes footage of steadicam shots being filmed, it's pretty amazing how smoothly these guys move.

      A lot of amateur camera operators - be it still or motion picture cameras - think good camera work is almost entirely dependent on the equipment. In fact, I'd say way more than half of what it takes to get good results lies with the operator. You can't put together a steadicam rig and then walk down the street like you'd walk normally and expect a steady shot - that won't work even with a real steadicam. You need to walk as smoothly as possible and make smooth, even camera movements. It doesn't look like that was done here, although to Ars' credit, they do note that they probably could have gotten better results with a bit of practice.

      I do think that a rig like this could be a pretty decent option for indie videographers willing to actually learn and practice the proper techniques.

    8. Re:As expected? by TeaQuaffer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's just a little Physics, not magic: from Johnny Chung Lee's website (and also in the magazine):

      How you use it is 80% of the smoothness. This even is true for the professional stuff with all the fancy shocks and hydraulics. Don't expect this thing to perform miracles, you have to practice using your arms and body to create a smooth motion. Watch your hands while you walk, and see how level you can keep them relative to the ground. Watching the shadow of your hands on a sunny say is an easy way to isolate thier movement. Keep your legs bent and learn how to "glide". I talked with someone who has used professional steady-cams and they said this was, "really, just as good." Getting good results is not so much about the equipment, but how you use it. That's really true about everything.

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    9. Re:As expected? by LordOfYourPants · · Score: 1

      Real steadicams also take a great amount of practice, to the point where you can hire a steadicam operator for a day for $1000.

      A person who does non-steadicam camerawork as their day job still comes up with a shaky picture when walking around in a shot with a steadicam.

      What I would have like to have seen is a steadicam operator (one raking in $1000 a day) attempt to use it.

    10. Re:As expected? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Interesting
      One could easily add some small gyros to a handheld steadicam design and still come out fairly inexpensive. Take three 6v electric motors and a 6v battery. Add a wheel on the end of each motor, and mount them so that the wheels spin in three planes. Add weights to the wheels to balance them. Continue adding weights until you have enough stabilization. Place this apparatus in a padded box to keep it quiet, and mount the box.

      Since all you really need to dampen is movement along the pitch and roll axes, a single gyroscope with the axis mounted vertically would be adequate. And rather than trying to build and balance your own, you'd do well to save yourself the headache and pick up a nice surplus military missile guidance gyroscope, like this. Knock that spinner out of its gimbals and I bet it'd be just right...

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    11. Re:As expected? by goon+america · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you really think you have a better idea, figure out the details, write up an outline and propose it to Make yourself. Make is written almost entirely by freelancers IIRC.

    12. Re:As expected? by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest RC helo gyros, but these would be cheaper/have more stability.

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    13. Re:As expected? by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      Fair enough :P

      The next project I have is to make a 1/2 decent PVC ride-able track dolly. I've got some good ideas for building a fairly light and durable one - now I just have to make some time to actually assemble it :P

      (the dolly part is pretty easy, but I want to make track sections that clamp/screw together to keep the joint between the pipes as seamless as possible). Again, I have some ideas that I hashed-out with a colleague of mine, but I need to move from the "planning" to "building" stage. Possibly this summer. Perhaps I'll write an article for them!

      N.

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    14. Re:As expected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you mount the box, I prefer real women.
      I mean seriously, c'mon, get a life.

    15. Re:As expected? by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      1. That's not a steadicam. That's a simple stabilizer "stick". The real Steadicams weight a ton and cost a fortune (some $100k for the full rig). (Yes, Steadicam is spelled with 'I', it's a product name)
      2. The instructions seem to be ripped straight from one guy who makes these.. No matter, I recall he has released his plans for any use. Hope he was credited anyway.

      The video is pretty much useless. You can see he doesn't even try to compensate for his own shakiness. These kind of little steadysticks need skill to produce any meaningful results.

      You can get pretty decent, smooth video from hand with little practise (learn how to hold it sternly, compensate for steps etc). The kicker of the stabilizer is that you can learn to operate it on different heights with relative ease.

    16. Re:As expected? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My understanding was that RC helo gyros don't actually have massive flywheels, but are patched into the control loops and correct with aerodynamic forces. At least, that's the way the ones I looked at for my big-ass model airplane worked.

      I can't say for sure, because I wound up chickening out and building the tail longer to improve longitudinal stability.

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    17. Re:As expected? by n3k5 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This is probably key - professional steadicam operators are trained specifically in how to operate a steadicam (they're not just camera operators who decide to strap on a rig one day for kicks). If you've ever seen any behind-the-scenes footage of steadicam shots being filmed, it's pretty amazing how smoothly these guys move.
      Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say: This is not even wrong. (I like saying that.)

      Professional steadicam operators use equipment that is completely different from consumer/prosumer 'steadicam'-ish gear. They come in teams of two: The one carrying the rig isn't able to look through a viewfinder, so a second person has to control focus, aperture etc. The apparatus has so much inertia that the carrier can actually hop up and down and the camera will still hardly move, let alone rotate. Lots of practice is only half of the story: the huge weight strapped to the body kind of forces the operator to move smoothly, anything else would be totally exhausting.

      Equipment in the two figure dollar range, on the other hand, isn't more than a handheld tripod that keeps the centre of gravity around your hands by introducing a counter-weight that roughly equals the weight of your camera. With consumer cameras becoming ever smaller and lighter, that isn't much. Jerks introduced by shaky hands are pretty much all they can compensate for somewhat adequately.

      However, this isn't what ars technica actually tested: They walked down a street. The picture resulting from this has to be shaky hand cam style. The "little bit of shake" that the reviewer attested is actually insanely wild. If you haven't got a more expensive steadicam setup, you really only have these two options: Either purposely go for the blair witch style, or let only the actor walk (when shown in the picture, as opposed to the 1st person view) and put the camra person plus camera on some sort of wheeled vehicle, like a dolly with a tripod.

      It seems like the ars techinca reviewers had too much fun doing their oh-so-cool project; not only were they too enthusiastic about the marginal improvement in image quality, they also didn't really factor in the problems they had (they needed much longer than the make mag instructions projected and ran into issues the instructions didn't even touch on) when writing the concluding summary.

      Not that there's anything bad about this: With a USD 14 handheld tripod, you're supposed to have fun, not emulate Oscar-league steadicam gear. And yes you can train to move super-smooth, but still steadicam and steady camcorder are two entirely different issues.
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    18. Re:As expected? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      There are already (fairly) cheap solutions for what you want to do, but where's the fun in that?

      I've got an idea for your next project, after you perfect your PVC dolly track. A home built jib! I've seen a few of these used on various low budget shows, and they seem to work really well. I talked to one DP who built his own, and he said the hardest part was figuring out the math, which wasn't his forte.

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    19. Re:As expected? by ibennetch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd just like to point out that the stabilization that goes in to a helicopter gyro is different from even the more expensive steadicam rigs(1) that you need for a heafty camera. Most helicopter gyros that I'm aware of run 6 figures, mount to the helicopter itself, and use gryoscopes rather than counterweights and springs (disclaimer: I don't actually work with helicopter mounts so I may be in error with regards to common technique. I can only repeat what I've heard from a reputable source). So yes, what you've said here is correct, but I believe you're comparing two different technologies.

      I have a friend with a Steadicam (I think his was around $20,000, but I forget the exact number) and he can work magic with it...I really love the look of something that's been shot on one, but there's a trend now to over-use them in a lot of situations where it's not needed :-/

      And finally, I like your idea of trying a couple of gyroscopes to balance it out. Many of us have tried that experiement with the rotating bicycle tire; I'm guessing it wouldn't take nearly that much effort to keep a smallish camcorder steady...you could shrink down the diameter a bit and speeding it up gains you even more; so I imagine something like you propose is very viable...maybe a good weekend project.

      (1) I can't find the link right now but I think spending about $60,000 on a Steadicam rig will get a "decent" one for a heavy camera. But what do I know, I work in TV, not film.

    20. Re:As expected? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I agree, with practice, handheld can be very smooth. And a skilled Steadicam operator ( a real Steadicam, as you say) can be almost indistinguishable from a dolly in terms of steadiness.

      The big disadvantage of these "steadicam" sticks is apparent as soon as you try to turn. The momentum will cause the whole rig to tilt. The greater the momentum and the sharper the turn, the greater the tilt.

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    21. Re:As expected? by dgatwood · · Score: 2
      I was intentionally comparing two different techs. Those 60k rigs are what most people think of when they hear Stedicam... or at least, that's what I think of. My intent was to point out that there was a difference, and more to the point, to suggest that combining the techs could yield better results.

      Anyway, I -think- the stability, is related to some combination of the speed, the circumference, and the mass at the circumference. So something much smaller than the bike tire, but add weights and a motor that's strong enough to turn it at a reasonable speed. You might even consider two gyros in contrary motion to do this so that any force to slow things down in one would try to speed up the other, and thus would be countered inherently by the fact that the two are locked together through gearing.

      That said, odds are 10:1 that you'd never be able to pull that one off without stripping gears, so maybe just use a flywheel so that most of the force needed to keep it moving occurs not through the motor, but through the mass itself. Dunno. Just rambling thoughts.

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    22. Re:As expected? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Informative
      $1000? $1000 is just for openers. See this typical rate schedule from The Steadicam Operator's Manual of Style:


      $ 1000.00 at the time of your appearance on the set
      $ 2.00 per foot forward (walking)
      $ 5.00 per foot forward (running)
      $ 3.50 per foot backward (walking)
      $ 7.00 per foot backward (running)
      $ 10.00 actor in the shot
      $ 15.00 actor not in the shot
      $ 20.00 per flight of stairs (up)
      $ 15.00 per flight of stairs (down)
      $ 10.00 each additional consecutive flight
      $ 25.00 to put the camera in the Low-Mode
      $ 15.00 to put it back
      $ 35.00 to change sides with the Arm
      $ 25.00 to put it back
      $ 5.00 per rehearsal minute, 16mm & Arri 2C
      $ 10.00 per rehearsal minute, Arri 35BL
      $ 15.00 per rehearsal minute, Panaflex on Steadicam
      $ 35.00 per rehearsal minute, Panaglide
      $ 3.50 per focus change
      $ 2.50 per iris change
      $ 8.50 both focus & iris at the same time

      Remind the producer that the above costs are on a per take basis and not on a per shot basis. Further more the above costs vary according to the length of the lens used. Additional cost for the16 or 18mm is negligible but repeated takes with the 50 or 85mm can become prohibitively expensive.
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    23. Re:As expected? by Gobiner · · Score: 1
      Knock that spinner out of its gimbals and I bet it'd be just right...

      I wish I had a dollar for every time I said that...

    24. Re:As expected? by ibennetch · · Score: 1

      I see. You make a good point with your original post.

      A flywheel is a good idea too, but no matter what you do I can't see this doing anything but sucking a lot of power. Two opposing gyros is something I hadn't thought about, I wonder how practical something like that would be.

      Either way I agree, it's not likely to work; I'm thinking it would either be too heavy or too power-hungry to work. And then there's the issue that a Steadicam doesn't just balance and only point in one direction, it has to be able to move around in a way that a gyroscopic device wouldn't allow (say, to rotate and walk around an actor who is standing still), if you follow my point. Anyway, an interesting idea. Cheers...

    25. Re:As expected? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A steadicam requires someone to be able to use it. anyone off the stteet can not use a steadicam and have instant smooth shots. Steadicam operators command the highest per hour fees of any camera operator because it is an art and an insanely hard thing to do. Try wearing a full steadicam outfit with a 48 pound camera and lens on it for 2 hours while you run up the stairs after the actors for the 5th time.

      Any fool can build something that emulates a steadicam, it takes practice and talent to actually operate one.

      Personally I built my steadicam out of my monopod and a bag of lead shot taped to the bottom. my steadicam cost $4.95 for the 12 pounds of lead shot and 3 feet of gaffers tape.

      On a contructive note, the smooth shot is easy to get, what is hard is keeping the viewers from getting seasick because of a rocking motion that is hard to notice as you are operating the camera + steadicam.

      Even a light XL1 and weight you need to balance it will get massively heavy on the end of your arm in 20 minutes of shooting. A vest rig is the only way to get a useable steadicam with a decent camera. using one of the really low quality palmcorders you can significantly reduce the weight but you also significantly reduce the video and audio quality.

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    26. Re:As expected? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The really high-end stuff (e.g. for helicopters) involves gyros to maintain stability against the natural tendency to vibrate, while still allowing gradual motion.

      really? I cant find any gyros on the $13,000.00 steadicam outfit we have at work.

      have you even seen a real steadicam setup?

      The key is weight balance, high quality gimbals and a weight distribution system that does not kill the operator by transferring the weight to his hips and torso.

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    27. Re:As expected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      A lot of amateur camera operators - be it still or motion picture cameras - think good camera work is almost entirely dependent on the equipment. In fact, I'd say way more than half of what it takes to get good results lies with the operator.


      99% lies in the operator.

      a world class Direcor of photography can shoot magnificent things with a $199.00 crap quality palmcorder. while someone that is "in the know" backyard cinematographer cant shoot anything with over a million dollars of camera equipment and lenses.

    28. Re:As expected? by way2trivial · · Score: 1

      I'm bothered by that...
      I do a lot of editing of my home movies.
      Most of the shots I'm personally in are
      me & the boy in the back yard
      howeverm I work at it, and research, and even scoured this topic for tidbits.

      I even do simultaneous shots from different persepctives for the video in video overlay

      I'm sorry, Dad in the backyard with the kids, is not the entry level (imho) of where bad video begins...

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    29. Re:As expected? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Oh, jeeze. This was supposed to be a joke! What dumbass moderated it as interesting? If you go to the link, you'll see it's a humorous take on living the "Steadicam Lifestyle".

      And I tweaked some of the numbers to bring them up to date. The Steadicam Operator's Style Manual was written in 1980 by the late great Ted Churchill, so the "rates" were a little out of date.

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    30. Re:As expected? by Floody · · Score: 1

      really? I cant find any gyros on the $13,000.00 steadicam outfit we have at work.

      have you even seen a real steadicam setup?

      The key is weight balance, high quality gimbals and a weight distribution system that does not kill the operator by transferring the weight to his hips and torso.


      Ding, ding ding. We have a winner.

      Steadicams do not work via gyroscopic precession, but rather through the careful use of inertial isolation between the rig and the operator as well as moving the center of gravity outside of the camera.

      That being said, it does take a skilled operator to not add any instability in highly dynamic shots.

    31. Re:As expected? by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1
      That being said, it does take a skilled operator to not add any instability in highly dynamic shots.

      Sounds like watching an episode of Battlestar Galactica. The camera work can make a viewer nausious at times, but DAMN I love that show.

      Aw hell, here comes the -1 Offtopic in
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    32. Re:As expected? by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is correct. I have played with them, but not used them in helicoptors. They detect rotation in the helicoptor, and if there is no rudder input, they will increase/decease the pitch of the tail rotor.

      I was just thinking that some of the larger ones may oppose rotation.

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    33. Re:As expected? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I think that there are some passive weights on the rotor that do...something, but I don't think that big, massy gyroscopes make a lot of sense.

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  5. Timmy Boi's new payola scam... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timmy Boi's new payola scam: Ars Technica!

    1. Re:Timmy Boi's new payola scam... by ArsEric · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're referring to the subscription links, we don't get anything in return from the publisher, financial or otherwise. It's strictly there for the readers' benefit, should they decide to subscribe.

  6. The article was a reprint... by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Informative
    Johnny Lee originally published detailed instructions for making the cheap Steadicam on the 'net well over a year ago. See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/ for details. Anyone with semi-reasonable googling skills can have this information without having to pay almost $15 to get it in a mag with pretty pictures.

    I was a bit disappointed to see the article, actually -- when a "cool" new print mag recycles the Internet, you know the end of paper is nigh.

    1. Re:The article was a reprint... by prockcore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was a bit disappointed to see the article, actually -- when a "cool" new print mag recycles the Internet, you know the end of paper is nigh.

      Yeah, but in 15 years, my kids can flip through my old issues of Make and find fun projects.. while that dude's site is going to be long gone.

      The internet is great, but far too many sites are gone forever.

    2. Re:The article was a reprint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Anyone with semi-reasonable googling skills can have this information without having to pay almost $15 to get it in a mag with pretty pictures."

      Why don't these folks make the full text of the magazine available for free online under a Creative Commons liscense? It isn't as if they're coming up with their own content anyway since they're basing it on stuff that's already available on the web. For 15 dollars what am I getting that wasn't already featured on slashdot two years ago? Oh I guess these activists decided that they want to make money off their projects.

    3. Re:The article was a reprint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:The article was a reprint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Johnny Lee wrote the Make article. He didn't have to Google.

  7. Saw this 3 years ago by filmmaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the summer of 2002 I saw an article about the homemade steadicam on slashdot. I then used it for many shots of this independent production of dubious artistic or technical merit.

    I loved it, but the whole time I was using it, I kept thinking of possible ways to improve it without spending any money if possible. I tried using more weight, which helps, but only very marginally. Anyone know a way to improve it inexpensively without electronic stabilization?

    1. Re:Saw this 3 years ago by DianeOfTheMoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think some time in a marching band would probably eliminate most of the shake, with the "steadicam" removing the rest...

      In marching band, you have to learn how to walk without disturbing your airflow due to steps, and that should translate very well into camera work, with the weighted cam evening out any missteps and normal hand jitters.

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    2. Re:Saw this 3 years ago by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Ahh, that's the reason for drillmasters.

      I just thought that my band teachers wanted us to walk funny... like an overtrained animal, I glidestepped much of my way through highschool unwittingly after the many hours a day I spent correcting my normal walking style my freshman year.

    3. Re:Saw this 3 years ago by deathazre · · Score: 1

      yep, trying to move 10 yards in 8 steps while turned at 40 or so while playing a marching baritone (the oversized trumpet type) will teach you to glide step *very* quickly.

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    4. Re:Saw this 3 years ago by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

      That's a very interesting point. My wife spent 3 years in HS marching band (at a school that actually *cared* about the marching band), yet it's blatantly obvious which video has been shot by her because it shakes all over the place. She's improved somewhat over the past 4 years, but it still makes me dizzy to watch her clips. Maybe if I suggest she pretends the camera is her instrument, the old marching instincts will kick in! (will she also start stepping at perfect 22.5 " intervals??)

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  8. that steadycam everywhere by mako1138 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think everybody I know has built a steadycam by now. There was a guy using one on campus the other day. So it's getting kind of ho-hum. There's always a Video of Steadiness published, and this article is no exception.

    1. Re:that steadycam everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arstechnica is a pack of losers that only spit back what they hear online and copy others. What are you expecting out of a pack of nobodies in this field? Originality??

    2. Re:that steadycam everywhere by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Start combining projects: Steadycam on your IR camera mounted on a kite...

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  9. We're the results really that good? by kizzbizz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I watched the movie, and really didn't notice ANYTHING that would warrant the time invested in building it. The electronic stabilation sucked, but the steadycam wasn't a vast improvement. Maybe it's just me though.

    1. Re:We're the results really that good? by j1ggl3x · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just because they built the tool doesn't mean they're pros at using it. I've read that even after you build the steadycam, it'll take awhile to get used to and become good at. For a better idea of the usefulness of building the steadycam, check out the movies near the bottom of the page by the original creator (especially where he follows the walking subject):

      http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/

  10. Impractical by mOoZik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many of you are going to build this? Maybe for fun, but imagine taking one of those along on a vacation or a trip or something. I don't think so. I realize that that is besides the point, but shouldn't some of these projects actually appeal to more tech people, as opposed to a tiny portion who produce movies and such? Recall the Popular Science and Popular Mechanics stuff from teh 60s and 70s: they *had* a purpose and appealed to a much larger audience. Why is it difficult to do the same while keeping the techie edge?

    1. Re:Impractical by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "How many of you are going to build this?"

      Well, if I decided to make an indie movie, I'd give it a go.

      "Why is it difficult to do the same while keeping the techie edge?"

      What's wrong with somebody cheaply solving a problem and publishing it? Should they hoard the knowledge or share it? That's the neat thing about the internet: publishing is cheap.

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    2. Re:Impractical by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I'm going to build one. I'm shooting footage for a documentary, purely for my own interest, using a borrowed camera, and I'd like to steady some shots a bit. I think that there are a fair number of people out there doing things a notch or two above vacation shots, with no thought of financial return, who could use a simple device like this.

  11. None of the videos looked good. by 74Carlton · · Score: 1

    Oh well, nice try.

  12. Ripoff? by plimsoll · · Score: 4, Informative
    I was kind of relieved to see that the reviewed Make article was written by the author of the original $14 Steadycam site, Johnny Chung Lee. The man's a hack, and I mean that in the most endearing way.

    Not to review a review of an instruction, but I think Ars Technica is being a little hard on the Chung. Operating a steadycam is a bit of an artform unto itself.

    A steadycam will not turn Shakes the Clown into the next Scorsese, but once you learn the limitations of the axes you'll get results like Mr. Lee posts as samples on his site (see the bottom of the page, under "Using Your Steadycam").

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  13. Lousy test video by yroJJory · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I appreciate the effort, but a test video with no subject to focus attention on doesn't really show off how well any of the four tests are working. All I see are tarred cracks in the pavement jiggling in all four.

    Whereas, had they walked with someone down the street, it would have shown off the differences quite well.

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  14. Soldering breadboards by refujee · · Score: 1, Funny
    If you are going to be messing around with electronic parts, you are going to need to know how to solder (and de-solder) electronic components to your breadboard. Make magazine shows even the greenest neophyte what to get and how to properly solder joints.


    I can't wait to drop $15 on this mag so I too can solder breadboards!
  15. store bought steadycam by thomasa · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I have this steadycam and it works very well for me.

    1. Re:store bought steadycam by I_am_jsking · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded interesting? If you follow the link it's a bloody tripod. bah, yay for mods..

    2. Re:store bought steadycam by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      Why is that marked +4 interesting? Do you hold the tripod in your hands and move it around to make steady moving shots? Because that's what a steadycam does.

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    3. Re:store bought steadycam by chuck · · Score: 1

      It's a joke, son. A tripod makes a very steady shot.

    4. Re:store bought steadycam by I_am_jsking · · Score: 1
      That still doesn't explain why the mods used the "interesting" flag not the "funny" flag.

      This just goes to show that occasionally... or in fact often, the Bazaar model fails due to the incompetence of the masses.

    5. Re:store bought steadycam by eobanb · · Score: 1

      The point is to be able to stabilise the camera while in motion. Like walking. Or running. If you didn't figure this out, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

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    6. Re:store bought steadycam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the biggest example of this democracy?

    7. Re:store bought steadycam by chuck · · Score: 1

      True dat. Maybe it's the moderators' version of being droll.

  16. Well, they haven't trained to use a Steadicam by Pfhor · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know if they cite the original source of the project:
    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadyca m/
    It has testimonies of pro's who have used this hand made rig and a $800 steadicam rig, and they say both are great. What you get with the $800 right is a full body vest mount that allows you to mount the camera on your hip, for even smoother shots.

    As someone who has used a steadicam professional rig, i can say that with image stabilization on, the image actually produces strange movement, once you learn how to use the steadicam.

    You can't just pickup a camera attached to a steadicam and notice an amazing difference unless you have learned how to carry your body with the camera. What the steadicam does is make it a lot easier to do so (first your arm is extended at a lot lower angle than holding the camera in your hand and second, the added weight lessens shakes cause by your body).

    If you have ever seen someone use a steadicam, they walk more like a dancer than a doofus with a handicam.

    So to answer you question, after you train to use the steadicam (and have degeeked your forearm strength to be able to hold it for 45 minutes or so at a stretch without tiring) you can achieve shots that would have cost you $800 before, now for only $14. the remaining $786 could be spent on a 3ccd panasonic camera. Or saved for a dvx100 or a wireless mic set, etc.

    1. Re:Well, they haven't trained to use a Steadicam by shawb · · Score: 1

      And not to mention that an $800 steadicam is about the very bottom of the barrel. Something professional level can easilly be more like 7000 dollars." And that's a used one...

      Just the bracket used to convert the steadicam to a really low to the ground shot can run about $800.

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    2. Re:Well, they haven't trained to use a Steadicam by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Uh, try $50,000* for the real pro stuff.

      What you linked is "prosumer". Extremely pricey prosumer, with many advantages over cheaper solutions and home made kit, but not what I'd call fully professional. (Yes, you can probably do professional work with it, if you know how to use it.)

      * They don't even quote prices on the Steadicam site, but if you dig a little, you'll see that it costs $2900 to attend a training workshop for their pro rigs. I remember Steadicam rigs costing $70,000 fifteen years ago, so my $50,000 estimate might be off $20,000 in either direction.

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    3. Re:Well, they haven't trained to use a Steadicam by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I found that particular model (SK2) that was in your BH link, and it is a bit more intriguing than I first thought. It's got a three axis gimbal, so I'll have to change my tune and call this "low end industrial" instead of high end prosumer. Maybe that's just semantics, anyway.

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  17. Steadycam deja vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Their steady cam is the same design/concept as another which was online 2 years-ish ago, where the guy had video of him skateboarding etc. I hope this magazine does more than dig up things that are on the hazy boundries of my overblogged memory.

  18. $15 an issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am going to wait until it comes out in paperback.

  19. Summary - Top Three Sentences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [1]
    The first 40 or so pages of the magazine were about various topics such as time-life management for tech geeks, making a miniature "rail gun," backyard monorails, and a myriad of other things that technology hobbyists and hackers were cobbling together using their own ingenuity, passion, and free time (the last of which, most of us never seem to have enough of...) The next 50 or so pages were dedicated to the four featured projects in the issue
    [2
    The article rates the complexity of this project as "Low" and estimates the time to completion at around "45 minutes." This is particularly smart because it gives the reader a quick gauge on whether this is a simple afternoon task or something that would be a more challenging weekend project
    [3]
    Whether it has to do with lack of demand or just protection against digital piracy of the magazine, we are not certain.

  20. mod parent up by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 3, Insightful
    One of those inevitable moments when you wish you had a mod point left.

    As the parent poster noted - sites go away. Even if you archive stuff, you can lose 'em. Sure, paper burns too, but my parents had decades of National Geographic for me to peruse when I was a young'in and I'm glad they did.

    Some stuff needs to be more permanent than bits. In 50 years you may have technology to read electronically archived data from DVD-R and the like. But you'll still only need your eyeballs and a pair of hands to read Make or National Geographic.

  21. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

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  22. Not very clevevr by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

    I have this steadycam and it works very well for me

    That's not a steadycam (mods); that's a tripod. Let's just say that any shots you take of a moving subject with the "steadycam" you linked to are either going to be even more shaky than without the "steadycam" or are going to see a gradual diminishing of the size of the subject in comparison to the rest of the scene.

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  23. I hate to tell you this but..... by frelancr · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...but this http://steadicam.com/ is a real steadicam (please to note the 'i')...Invented by Garrett Brown and first used on "Bound for Glory" in 1975, but made famous chasing a little-known boxer up the steps of teh Philadelphia Museum of Art 2 years later. And it don't cost $10K...more like $60k (before the extry $40k you can spend on silly accessories...like remote focus control & motors & extra brackets & wireless video & cases for alla yer stuff & other impliments of destruction). What was made here is a crude version of the former SteadicamJR (jay-ar), which is actually closer to some of the other knock-offs that are out there. It isn't a 'true' steadicam since there is no isolation from your body, which is the whole point of the steadicam! Now, if they were able to build one with a 3-axis gimbal and an articulating, springed arm, THEN I'd be impressed

    1. Re:I hate to tell you this but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Panaflex equipment is usually leased, not purchased. This is because of shit like $300,000 lenses, and $15,000 *filters*.

  24. archive.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As the parent poster noted - sites go away. Even if you archive stuff, you can lose 'em. Sure, paper burns too, but my parents had decades of National Geographic for me to peruse when I was a young'in and I'm glad they did."

    Call me a pessimist but I have a feeling that the Internet Archive at archive.org may be a little bit more enduring than a paper magazine 50 years down the line. Your kids will prefer reading the archived article on the web to handling a musty old magazine. But hey, justify paying for content that's already available for free, in this case for 2 years already, any way that you want.

    1. Re:archive.org? by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 1
      Call me a pessimist but I have a feeling that the Internet Archive at archive.org may be a little bit more enduring than a paper magazine 50 years down the line.

      I wouldn't count on it. Paper is remarkably resilient - acid free archival paper in particular. I'm not sure how glossy fares. Depending upon how it's stored paper can last for centuries; millenia in some cases. And you can manually copy paper.

      Digital archives are sweet; I love 'em - I'm an IT geek after all. But you simply can't count on the ability to retrieve digital data decades or centuries down the line. You need period equipment to do that and it's doubtful that such equipment will be around in 50, 100, 500 years. Possible, but I'd rather count on multiple paper copies than soley digital copies. No reason you can't have both.

      I work in the preservation field now and am bothered by the prospect of preserving information for future generations since so much is digital only. I'm particularly disturbed by DRM. It would be bad news for a researcher 500 years down the line (who may have period equipment) to be unable to view historically or culturally important media because there's no DRM server to unlock the content.

  25. use a monopod instead by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking at the design I'd have to opine that while the galvanized steel pipe may be nice and rigid it's really heavy and adds a lot to the weight you'd need to carry. I'd recommend spending $20-30 on a cheap camera monopod and using that instead of the vertical pipe piece. It's much lighter weight aluminum, and you'll already have a camera mount on top saving you a lot of effort and trouble.

    http://www.google.com/froogle?q=monopod&btnG=Searc h+Froogle

    1. Re:use a monopod instead by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      I agree with this, but not sure if we share the same reason. If you use steel, you add weight above the handel that is not needed, using PVC pipe would be light, and you would not need as much counter weight on the bottom. You could use the same amount of weight, and get more stability if you have less weight on top of the piviot points.

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    2. Re:use a monopod instead by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 1

      Small-diameter PVC pipe is pretty flexible, and with larger stuff it'd get awkward and you'd lose some of the weight savings. The extruded aluminum tubing used in a monopod is both rigid and lightweight.

  26. OT: Russian Ark by angle_slam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since people reading this article are theoretically interested in Steadicam work, I thought I'd link to the movie Russian Ark. It's claim to fame is that it is a 90 minute movie that was shot in real-time in one-take on a steadicam. I've never seen it, but folks on a camcorder board I go to praise it (or at least the camera work.)

    1. Re:OT: Russian Ark by colenski · · Score: 1

      I saw it. It's pretty amazing, although the plot's pretty thick. The last "scene" is a stunner. As Pournelle says: "Highly recommended"

  27. Parsing this title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about you all, but I had the hardest time parsing this title. Perhaps if /. article titles could feature italics or something, that would help...

  28. Re:As expected? From Arstechnica?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you want from arstechnica, quality? LOL... they're the arsholes of the internet!

  29. Very good point. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The way people in marching band walk is usually referred to as a "glide step" or a "roll step".

    When you have 15-20+ pounds of brass held to your mouth, you want to be moving up and down as little as possible while you march. The bras has this tendency to want to stay in place, resulting in lots of relative motion if you're bouncing. :)

    Don't know of any good way to teach/explain roll stepping to someone without actually having them join a marching band. :)

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    1. Re:Very good point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The bras has this tendency to want to stay in place
      Yes, the bras have a tendency to stay in place.
  30. Takes practice by plutonium83 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've built the said $14 steadicam and here are some thoughts: 1) First of all, it wasn't $14. It was more like $25 (without buying weights, they where a waste of money) 2) It takes immense practice to use it very well. 3) The sidearm makes this better than any tripod or monopod 4) The rotations are the most impressive part of it. The shots generated are really smooth. If someone will generously provide me with hosting, I can post a compilation of shots I did using the cheap steadicam.

    1. Re:Takes practice by Pfhor · · Score: 1

      shoot me an email
      cbarker at bucknell edu

      I can host about 40-80 megs on my webspace and piss off my university admins.

  31. Mac-bias? 'bout time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    from the article: "We also could not help but notice two or three articles that seemed to be written exclusively for Macintosh users. Normally, this is not a particularly worrisome issue since there are some things that you can do only on the Mac platform. What made these articles somewhat offensive was that the articles were addressing concepts that were not Mac-specific."

    Well, 'bout time. As a long-time mac user, I can't begin to number the times I read PC-biased articles that are not PC specific.

  32. Taking it to the next level by plutonium83 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you want to take home build stabilizers to the next level, check this out. The test videos are VERY impressive.

    1. Re:Taking it to the next level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I feel like a real loser after watching that stuff.

  33. discount code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    G5ARTEB

  34. order form sucks by austad · · Score: 1

    Too bad their subscription order form sucks. I signed up with my credit card, and it brought me to a page that said they would invoice me, or I could pay online with my card (wtf? I just did that). So I click the link to pay (again), and put in my info, and it fails with some sort of no phone number error. There's not even a spot to enter your phone number.

    This was last night, maybe they fixed it now. I'm annoyed. I still have not received a response from their customer service, and it's been more than 24 hours.

    Hopefully the magazine is better than their crappy ordering process and support.

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  35. This is great, but... by sean_gabriel · · Score: 1

    how do I build a shakicam like I've seen on Battlestar Galactica and Lost? ;)

    1. Re:This is great, but... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you live, but if you're in Los Angeles, you contact IATSE Epileptic Camera Operators' Local #37. I think they cover all of Southern California, but the one in the Bay Area is different. Contact the IATSE National office, and they'll give you contact info for whatever the local is in your region.

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    2. Re:This is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to hell with that. I want the epiliptic seizure cam as used on Bourne supremacy.

      I wonder how many offset weights they had spinnig on that camera to make that movie unwatchable.

  36. See it in action by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 1

    A lot of the shots in this film were used with that same design.

    Specifically any of the "lead cam" shots, where the camera car is leading the picture car with the camera shooting backwards.

    It works very well, the only issue being keeping the whole setup from rotating side to side. Its very difficult to hold in this position for extended periods of time (just try holding a 30lb weight straight out in front of you for 3 minutes).

    You can see the rotating movement in some of the shots... but overall they didn't come out too bad considering I was hanging out of the back of a convertible rabbit while doing 50 mph :)

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  37. Why even post about this? by pfizzle · · Score: 2, Informative

    /. first posted the $14 steadicam over a year ago. I know because I saved it, built it and used it a year ago...

  38. Coincidentally, I received my copy today.. by the_rajah · · Score: 1

    It was intriguing enough by the initial ads and the fact that it's an O'Reilly publication that I subscribed. I think that the articles are a little elementary for serious geeks, but overall it's an OK mag for the general reader. Since it's got articles you can read in a few minutes, it's a nice addition to the collection in the "Reading Room" The price, $14.99, is what I'd expect to pay for a book instead of a magazine, but it's well illustrated and printed in color on good paper stock. I'm seeing some other mags that are pushing this price point, too. I'll be interested to see how this magazine plays out.

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  39. Calling it a Steadicam is overselling a bit it... by tsangc · · Score: 1

    It's probably better to call it a combination of a vibration isolator (your arm) that counter balances the camera weight (the barbell). It's got some basic concepts of the real system sort of the way a model rocket is like a Saturn moon rocket :)

    The real Steadicam, invented by Garrett Brown, counterweighs the camera on a thing called the "sled" which also has a preview monitor for the operator from the video tap (if it's a film camera) or camera output. The sled has significant weight on the bottom from the batteries used to power the monitor/camera. The rig's real innovation comes from a patented isoelastic arm which attaches the sled onto the vest of the operator.

    The entire affair, for the film models is $30-60K, though most professional ops seem to make this back due to the specialized nature of the work. There's all sorts of variations, remote focus control, tilting camera decks, etc the the operators often customize them extensively. Lower end models range from $5-15K, but they don't support heavier cameras or have some "bones" removed from the arm, limiting their flexibility.

    Steadicam did at one point make a JR model which was for consumer cameras, it featured a counter weight but no arm, you held the contraption with a grip that was attached to the camera/counterweight attached with a gimbal/u-joint (not sure exactly). It was priced around $1500 originally.

    Over the years, many firms have tried to make balancing stablizers, much like this thing. They vary in quality, both construction and smoothness. The gimbal adds a lot to it on the JR model, but it may very well be better just to put the damned thing on a tripod if you can't afford a JR off eBay.

  40. Re:Calling it a Steadicam is overselling a bit it. by tsangc · · Score: 1

    The other thing I forgot to mention is that the are some non-Steadicam ways to get good motion shots-two of the time trusted ones are using a wheelchair pulled by another person, as well as building a dolly to ride on PVC track. They're covered pretty extensively on Usenet and indie film newsgroups.

  41. ot: Very good point. by dourk · · Score: 1

    Thanks so much. I've always wondered if there was a reason bands marched that way, or if it was just a traditional thing. Seems so clear now...

    I've learned something on Slashdot!

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    1. Re:ot: Very good point. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      By the way, the stereotypical method of marching you see in some movies (legs lifted high, a very "stiff" kind of march) is NOT a glidestep/rollstep. It's just the opposite, and VERY bad for playing.

      Most modern bands go for the glidestep/rollstep to sound better, even though it may not look as flashy. Glidestep/rollstep is very smooth and pretty difficult to tell from normal walking at a distance.

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  42. Hilarious line in the Kite Photog article by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    For those of you who have this issue of make but haven't read every single sentence, check out the Kite Photography article. There's like a safety checklist on page 81 where they warn potential kite photographers of dangers such as sun exposure but fail to mention power lines. Perhaps they've pegged their readership as being comfortable around electricity, but not necessarily being outside in the sun.

    Seth

  43. Re:Not a steadicam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I think we all _know that_!! Steadycams come in at a cool what 4 million, 5 million dollars? We _all_ know that real steadycams come with milions of gyros, de-stabilization and re-stabilization computers, G.I.S. sensors, temperature compensation, harmonic vibration detectors and electrodynamic flux capacitors. They are packed with more magic and wonder than even *you've* ever heard of! Fourteen bucks puts it in the range of what most people are willing to spend. For most people, 10-15% improvement provided by these _not_really_a_steadycam_s_ is all they are looking for. Apparently _you_ were the _only_ one who didn't get that.

  44. How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I resent that!! You obviously haven't seen Raging Bozo.

    Sincerely,

    Shakes the Clown

  45. also called a pogo pole... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently by those in the film industry.

  46. agree by citizenr · · Score: 1

    I totally agree. Ars video looks like a poo.
    Chungs third video http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/girl3.mov looks simply amazing.

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  47. This is not a steadicam by rminsk · · Score: 1

    This is a pogocam. A steadicam is a mechanical device and a pogocam is just a weight camera base.

  48. Expect to be surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I take it you haven't actually tried building one of your 3-motor gyros. It won't work. At all.

    You will need wheels of significant mass (high polar moment). And you'll need counter-rotating pairs. And the right kind of mounts to keep them from adding more high-frequency vibration while resisting shock damage.

    I'd love to see lower cost alternatives to what's out there, but there are also technical reasons why they're expensive gadgets

  49. Peter Jackson built a $15 steadicam by Cramit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Back in his early days, filming Bad Taste, Peter jackson (of LoTR fame) built a $15 steadicam. The efect was very good in the film (well good for the obvious budget of the film). I wounder how similar this design is to the one he used back then.

    1. Re:Peter Jackson built a $15 steadicam by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      "I wounder how similar this design is to the one he used back then."

      Not very. His had a full arm and vest like the real steadicams.

  50. No kidding. by serutan · · Score: 1

    It's a clever idea, but screwing a few galvanized pipe fittings together hardly qualifies as a "project" worth a whole article, let alone a review. I've seen more complicated things in the "shop tips" section of American Woodworker magazine.

  51. you can get basically the same image stabilization by admactanium · · Score: 1

    by just leaving an aluminum tripod attached to the camera and folded up. hold the camera rig by a point further down on the folded tripod and you'll get the same look. plus, you get a nifty device for holding your camera up off the ground! this is really just a counterweight to move the COG further away from the lens.

  52. Hmmmm... No so steady-cam by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
    SO I'm expecting something with rubber bands, shock absorbers, integrating accelerometers, gyroscopes, microcontrollers doing video pattern tracking. Instead we get counterweights. And comments that say it works a lot better if you hold it steady.

    OF COURSE IT WORKS BETTER IF YOU HOLD IT STEADY!

    That's like all the diet pill commercials that say you'll lose weight if you take the pills and diet and exercise and catch giardia and aomebic dysentery.

    Also their web page shows some distressing proofreading. "Get a sneak Peak", and they don't mean adopt-a-mountain.

    I'm all for a new "Popular Electronics" for this century, but really now....

  53. Huh? by Jack+Johnson · · Score: 1
    "...Make Magazine's Steadicam..."

    Isn't the Make article just a reprint of the popular design of a CMU (I think) student which I first saw on /. about a year and a half ago?

    Also, about Make...

    I had high hopes for Make when I saw it previewed on the O'Reilly site as I'm a big fan of the books they publish.

    Unfortunately, I was disappointed with the steep price ($14.99) for little more than a compilation of articles that I've already seen on /. or in 2600 over the past 2 years.

    Make needs more original content or a more frequent schedule (monthly) and lower price ($5) imo.

  54. BSG needs one of these by omnifunctional · · Score: 1

    Now if someone would just send a copy of the mag to the producers of the new Battlestar Galactica series. Maybe then I wouldn't feel queasy after every episode.

  55. The advantage of the paper magazine by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    Was that you could peruse interesting Amazonian cultures under the bedcovers ;)

  56. Practice, Practice, Practice x10 by 8bitmachinegun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a video professional and do a lot of freelance cinematography and DVD work and editing for clients.

    The one thing that is very important to understand about Steadicam operation - whether its the $1400 or $14 version:

    Steadicam takes a LOT of practice to get smooth fluid results. There is a reason a good Steadicam operator can demand high wages on big shoots (and is well out of the budget of small indie productions; which is why I applaud Make's article, I'm going to make one of these).

    If you want something that looks and moves really steady like a real Steadicam - all you need to do is keep electronic stabalization on if you are using a consumer/prosumer camera and PRACTICE. Reherase your shots!

    Steadicam is just a tool and it can't substitute for good shooting practices.

    That all being said - to see some really innovative Steadicam work, check out the films Pi and Requiem for a Dream (directed by Darren Aronofsky). Really impressive stuff.

  57. Old news by harris+s+newman · · Score: 0

    I looked at websites describing how to make stabelizers 4 years ago.

  58. Re:Hmmmm... No so steady-cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proofreading? "Aomebic"?

    Let he who is without etc.. :P

  59. Re:Hitchcock's "Rope" by angle_slam · · Score: 1
    Rope is a good film, though not as good as many other Hitchcock films. A few corrections though:
    • Rope was not filmed in a single take. Cameras at the time only held about 10 minutes worth of film. So it was filmed in 10 minute takes. The breaks are supposed to be subtle, but they are noticeable if you know what to look for. Basically the camera focuses in on something black then cuts away. That is a cut. Once, they used the lid of the chest. Once they used the back of one of the characters.
    • The reason I linked to Russian Ark is because it was filmed in a continuous *Steadicam* take. Rope was filmed using tripods.
  60. Here I was thinking... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    ...a SteadiCam - for $14.00! I will likely need one of these, in the future, for a project I am working on. So here I am thinking "what makes a steadicam work, and can it be made smaller"? Knowing how much a real SteadiCam is, and seeing Make's price - I was thinking "there it is - what I need - or something close".

    So - first I look up some information on what a SteadiCam is, how it works, what it consists of - then I am thinking, "ok, maybe they haven't miniturized it too much - likely something for a handheld camcorder, but still cool" - thinking maybe they took a Luxo-like lamp or similar thing, added beefier springs, mounted it to some hard vest system (maybe a football player's vest or something)...

    When Make first came out, I looked at the reviews, I read what the first issue was supposed to contain, I looked at the layout - and I thought "Blah - cheap crap off a hundred web-sites out there, I already have subscriptions to Nuts and Volts as well as Servo Magazine - do I need this?", and I passed on it. I really didn't think that it could be a cool magazine, in comparison to Nuts and Volts which I have subscribed to since 1991...

    Here is this article on a SteadiCam - and I was this close to subscribing, thinking maybe I was wrong. I guess now I am glad I took a moment to read the Ars Technica review and see what a "Make SteadiCam" was...

    A camera on a pole with weights! While I can't fault it in theory (it does seem to do the job well based on AT's quicktime shots) - it just isn't a real SteadiCam or even close to it! Where is the iso-elastic articulated arm system? This could have been done so much better, so much cooler (though probably a little pricier - say $50-100.00 instead of $14.00)! Furthermore this doesn't help me with my situation, which needs small size (I have ideas here, though). It isn't a bad simple project, and to be fair, that is what it was presented as in the magazine...

    But am I going to fork over money for something like this? NO WAY! I get way more out of Nuts and Volts as well as Servo Magazine - anything else can be done with some thought and googling. Hopefully Make will become better and more challenging, with more expansive articles with real meat...

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    Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  61. Cheaper still .. by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

    Just do it in software:
    http://biphome.spray.se/gunnart/video/deshaker.htm

    I've done bike rides and kung fu competions with this. Works great, but takes lots of CPU.

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    Not that this wasn't entirely predictable.
  62. Mac-specific by legirons · · Score: 1

    "We also could not help but notice two or three articles that seemed to be written exclusively for Macintosh users... What made these articles somewhat offensive was that the articles were addressing concepts that were not Mac-specific."

    Ho-hum. Having just spent the weekend trying to get a printer to work, whose manufacturer (Canon) never even imagined it might be used with a non-Windows computer, I say "good on them" for giving Windows users a turn at being excluded.

  63. A solution that doesn't require drilling steel by Berkana · · Score: 1

    This variant, found in the fan-mail section of the article's author's original web page, is a superior design, IMHO. It does not require any drilling, and uses an actual camera mounting head from a mono-pod. Yeah, it's more expensive to build, but it's still way cheaper than a comercial stabilizer.

    Here's a schematic of the improved design. (PDF file)

  64. Informative? WTF? IT'S A JOKE PEOPLE! by mjeppsen · · Score: 1

    You have got to be kidding me. This was modded "Informative"? Is everyone's sense of humor on vacation?

    Amazing.

    -MJ

    1. Re:Informative? WTF? IT'S A JOKE PEOPLE! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I suggest we come up with a new word: modtard. Are you modtarded? That was totally modtarded. Etc.

      Check out the link. Ted Churchill was a very funny guy, and was an asset to any set for making the day go by more quickly. He is greatly missed.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  65. It's all in how you walk. Heel-toe, heel-toe by mjeppsen · · Score: 1

    Bend your knees, heel-toe when you take steps, etc. As others have mentioned, the smoothness of the shot is directly related to how you handle a camera stabilizer.

    However, having used a Glidecam 2000 for some time now, I've realized that how the device is weighted and balanced is a huge factor. People tend to over-weight a camera stabilizer, be it a $14 stabilizer, or a $300 Glidecam. On a Glidecam, you should work to find a neutral balance...the weight on the lower plate should only be slightly more than the weight on the business end. A properly balanced Glidecam, when held horizontally, will take a full 2-mississippi-count for the lower plate to drop completely. This eliminates that rocking motion you get when you are gliding fwd and suddenly stop. A properly balanced Glidecam can be traveling at a high rate of speed, and stop on a dime with only very minimal rocking. It's a beautiful thing, and works very well for whip pans and quick action dialog. Lot of fun.

    That all being said, I have spend hours of time and around $100 building a stabilizer that looks much like the SteadiCam JR out of copper pipe and various Johnnycam variety parts. The results are better than the $14 stabilizer, but it is nothing compared to a $300 Glidecam. I wish I had invested the money to do it right from the very beginning.