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Museum Director Indicted for Stealing NASA Artifacts

NBrooke271 writes "Max Ary, former Director of the Kansas Cosmosphere, has been hit with an eleven-count federal indictment, charging that he sold NASA space artifacts on loan to the museum, including an astronaut's in-flight T-shirt, a control panel from Air Force One and an Apollo 12 water valve for a personal profit of around $180,000. 'Mr. Ary, on behalf of the Cosmosphere, continued to sign documents reporting and verifying to NASA that the watch was still in its possession and collection,' said U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren. Ary currently serves as the Executive Director of Omniplex Science Museum in Oklahoma City, where he has taken a leave of absence. Read official statements from the Cosmosphere, the Omniplex, and Ary's attorney regarding the indictment."

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  1. Watch? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative
    'Mr. Ary, on behalf of the Cosmosphere, continued to sign documents reporting and verifying to NASA that the watch was still in its possession and collection,' said U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren.

    What 'watch'?

    The NASA Omega Mock-up Watch 38. Sometime prior to January of 2000, the exact date being unknown to the Grand Jury, the Cosmosphere loaned several artifacts to a space exhibit in the Philippines. The Cosmosphere became aware that some of these items were lost or damaged when some of the items were returned on or about April 1998. The items loaned to the Philippine exhibit included: a Shuttle In-flight garment, a Russian Soyuz Space Suit, American Space Food (five packages), an Apollo Liquid Cooling garment, a Beta cloth stowage bag, an Omega 17
    mock-up watch, an astronaut ink pen, a Gemini spacesuit, an Apollo In-flight garment. 39. The Omega astronaut watch was a mock-up watch that the Cosmosphere had received pursuant to an exhibit loan agreement from NASA.

    Sounds more like mismanagement, if it was still reported as present, yet missing or damaged.

    Though a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ks/press/apr2005/a pril7a.html">this looks pretty damning and has more of the detail.

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    1. Re:Watch? by damiangerous · · Score: 1
      What 'watch'

      The one in the last sentence of that excerpt you pasted.

    2. Re:Watch? by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      The one in the last sentence of that excerpt you pasted.

      That's why I pasted it. It wasn't mentioned except in passing in the post and wasn't in any of the immediate links, so I went digging for information on it -- which led me to the DoJ site, which would have been better linked to the post.

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    3. Re:Watch? by damiangerous · · Score: 1

      Yeah...it was a dumb joke that seemed even dumber in hindsight, sorry.

    4. Re:Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buzz Aldrin's Omega Speedmaster was also stolen years ago on transit to the Smithsonian. That watch was the first to be worn on the moon and is considered the world's most valuable timepiece.

    5. Re:Watch? by 14erCleaner · · Score: 3, Funny
      an Omega 17 mock-up watch

      Thank god he didn't sell off the Omega 13!

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  2. Conversion? by tektek · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much is that in $2 bills?

    1. Re:Conversion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know; try dividing the amount by 2?

    2. Re:Conversion? by TheViffer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still $180,000.

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    3. Re:Conversion? by op12 · · Score: 1

      Nothing. Everyone knows those are counterfeit.

    4. Re:Conversion? by stalefries · · Score: 0

      Canadian?

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    5. Re:Conversion? by elbenito69 · · Score: 1

      About 3 months in a federal 'pound me in the ass' prison.

  3. A properly embedded link.. sigh. by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Informative
    Link to DoJ charges

    I'd personally like to thank the people who made sure the keyboard loses USB focus (or whatever it is) every few seconds and drops keystrokes.

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    1. Re:A properly embedded link.. sigh. by TheViffer · · Score: 4, Funny


      A nose cone.
      A NASA silk screen
      A photographic spot meter
      An RX3 spacesuit component.
      Apollo 8 silk screens.
      An Apollo 11 silk screen.
      An Apollo13 bus bar battery cable that had been flown in space.
      A sextant crown assembly that had been flown in space.
      An in-flight crew shirt.
      An Air Force One control panel.
      A Noun 70 Code panel, loaned to the Cosmosphere by NASA that had been flow in space. It sold for $3,400. On April 4, 2001, Ary signed a report to NASA falsely stating the panel was still in the museum's collection.
      An Apollo 12 water shut-off valve that had been flown in space.
      A rotation controller.
      A purge valve for a spacesuit.
      A film canister.


      Makes me want to go buy an airplane/auto salvage yard and Ebay off parts as "possible relics of the Soviet space program" which "may possibly" have crash landed in Bumfluck, Nebraska.

      "No, No sir, that's not a hub cap from a 1971 Duster, thats the nose to Sputnik!"

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    2. Re:A properly embedded link.. sigh. by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny
      Makes me want to go buy an airplane/auto salvage yard and Ebay off parts as "possible relics of the Soviet space program" which "may possibly" have crash landed in Bumfluck, Nebraska.

      How about that guy in Florida, years ago (IIRC) who found a depleted uranium nose cone in his junk yard. He thought it made neat sparks when he hit it with a screw driver.

      Be the govt would go ape-sh!t if something like that moved through the mail.

      Mr Beasely: "Your package sure is heavy, Dagwood, what's in it?"
      Dagwood: "About 20 pounds of uranium."

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    3. Re:A properly embedded link.. sigh. by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      No they wouldn't. They are too busy claiming that DU dust is completely harmless, even when inhaled. They can't possible make any sort of fuss over some large piece of DU without revealing that they are perfectly aware of the dangers of radioactive heavy metals :D

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  4. I used to work for this guy by NBrooke271 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Submitter here. Incidentally, I used to work at the Omniplex when Mr. Ary was in charge. We were very excited when he came to the museum; we had heard that he practically built the Cosmosphere with his bare hands. He pioneered the Smithsonian Affiliate program, one of the best ways for museums to get their hands on great government collections. This indictment has come as a shock to everyone.

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    1. Re:I used to work for this guy by Uptown+Joe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, well now we know where he got the $$ to build the Cosmosphere...

    2. Re:I used to work for this guy by Peldor · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. Establish world class museum.
      2. ?????
      3. Profit!

      And so at long last, we know what secret lies behind the mysterious step 2: Secretly sell off all the good stuff!

    3. Re:I used to work for this guy by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1
      This was grave and shameful Crimes agaist our illustrious Space program. Only the most dire quonsequenc must apply.

      Thives to know what it means to steal from people's state property. (= catastrophy)

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    4. Re:I used to work for this guy by The-Bus · · Score: 1
      He pioneered the Smithsonian Affiliate program, one of the best ways for museums to get their hands on great government collections.


      So he stole from the government too, eh?
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    5. Re:I used to work for this guy by LordoftheWoods · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean quatrastrophy?

  5. Hey! by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 4, Funny

    drop the Apollo 12 water valve and step away from the car!

    1. Re:Hey! by mr_jrt · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd have gone with "...drop the Apollo 12 water valve and make one small step away from the car!"

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  6. Shouldn't be hard to get it back by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Funny



    I heard that NORAD tracks all kinds of space junk.

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  7. More information by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the interest of promoting more enlightened discussion, the news release from the DOJ regarding this case can be found here.

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    1. Re:More information by DikSeaCup · · Score: 2, Informative
      "enlightened discussion"

      You must be new here.

      Considering the number of folks that don't even bother to click on the hyperlinks provided by the Slashdot listing itself (IOW RTFA), the number of folks that will follow yours will be considerably diminished.

      Honestly, thanks though - I followed a link to the DOJ site but it went to a front page, and not the specific article of interest.

  8. ANother moron as a director.... by jim_v2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How do stupid people get such jobs? I mean, the guy sells NASA stuff, then keeps signing papers that say he still has them. Didn't he wonder if someday NASA might want their stuff back, and when they found out it was gone, who they would look to first?

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    1. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by op12 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously, anyone who has seen any movies knows you have to replace the things you took with elaborate replicas or holograms.

    2. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

      Didn't he wonder if someday NASA might want their stuff back, and when they found out it was gone, who they would look to first?

      Sounds like a typical addict. Never thinking about tomorrow, just thinking about his next fix.

      Looking at the guy, I'm guessing some kind of sexual addiction requiring the services of high-priced prostitutes, or maybe gambling.

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    3. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep in mind, it's only the stupid ones who get sensationalized press coverage. The 99 other directors who do a satisfactory job are never mentioned in headlines like: "Museum Director Continues to do a Good Job!"

      And no matter the position, no matter how much research is done, eventually one hires someone who's not right for the job or changes after being hired. Mistakes happen, people change. The best way to prevent major incidents is to have a system of checks and balances to catch any wrongdoings at the first stages, and for the public to not fall too much into the sensationalism of the press.

    4. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by identity0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ooh, I can imagine some intrepid Indiana Jones type going up to the altar of the bottle of tang, and very quickly and carefully replacing it with a bottle of Evian.

      Then he hears an ominous rumbling, and looks up to see a very rotund 800 pound NASA engineer who has been living on nothing but Cheetos and tang rolling towards him, yelling "My Taaang! Bring back my Taaaaaanngg!".

      A chase scene between shelves of old NASA junk ensues.

    5. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by op12 · · Score: 1

      So I imagine the NASA engineer would play the role of the giant rolling boulder then? :)

    6. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How do stupid people get such jobs? I mean, the guy sells NASA stuff, then keeps signing papers that say he still has them. Didn't he wonder if someday NASA might want their stuff back, and when they found out it was gone, who they would look to first?

      People do all sorts of stupid crap like that. Probably because 95% of the time, you can get away with fooling the government. There are certain things, though, that you just can't cover up. Like those interns at NASA-Houston who stole a safe containing moon rocks which they then tried to sell on eBay. When it comes to unusual items, particularly stuff from the space program, they keep a pretty good accounting of it all and they almost certainly will catch you eventually. Stealing and trying to sell moon rocks is, of course, DOUBLY stupid because virtually all terrestrial moon rocks are property of the US government and never for sale...

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    7. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 1

      So he got tired of being a poor junk collector, and decided to blow off some stress by snorting a bunch of cocaine off a few high-class hookers' protuberant body parts. He needed to find some way to fund his activities. Who's going to miss some sweaty T-shirt that some unwashed astronaut probably wore for a whole week under his space suit, or a discarded Tang bottle?

      Lots of us have expensive hobbies, who are we to judge?

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    8. Re:ANother moron as a director.... by Catbeller · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I can't resist saying...

      I imagine the main reason why the Hovitos indians tried so hard to kill Dr. Jones would be the necessity of rolling that ten ton boulder back up the tunnel to reset the trap. Every time you sit down to dinner, some idiot in a fedora sets the trap off again!

  9. Well, he promised his wife the moon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and then he got busted for giving her a rock from it.

  10. Intresting trades considered... by grumling · · Score: 2, Funny
    including an astronaut's in-flight T-shirt

    I wonder what kind of van you could trade for that?

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    1. Re:Intresting trades considered... by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll trade you john voight's car for it.

    2. Re:Intresting trades considered... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

      including an astronaut's in-flight T-shirt

      I'm wondering if it is washed... because you know that reduces its value....

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    3. Re:Intresting trades considered... by SpongeBobLinuxPants · · Score: 0

      including an astronaut's in-flight T-shirt

      it says "I went to space and all I got was this lousey T-shirt"

    4. Re:Intresting trades considered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An '84...Sheepdog.

    5. Re:Intresting trades considered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll trade you john voight's car for it

      JERRY: Let's check out the glove box. Ah. Pencil.
      GEORGE: Hey...you don't think...sure, that's Jon Voight's pencil!
      JERRY: With Jon Voight's teeth marks. Owner's manual...you know what? This car was owned by Jon Voight.
      GEORGE: Ah! See? I told ya.
      JERRY: Except Jon is spelled with an H. J-O-H-N.
      GEORGE: So?
      JERRY: Doesn't Jon Voight spell his name J-O-N?
      GEORGE (pulls over): So, what are you saying?
      JERRY: Nothing. I'm sure "Jon" probably mispelled his own name. I know sometimes I spell Jerry with a G...and an I!
      GEORGE (angrily): Get out of the car!
      JERRY: What?
      GEORGE: That's right, you heard me. Get out! You are ruining this whole experience for me!
      JERRY (sarcastically): Oh, look! There's Gregory Peck's bicycle!
      GEORGE: Get out!
      JERRY: And Barbara Mandrell's skateboard!
      GEORGE: Get out!!

  11. "Hmm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Museum personel always felt something was Ary...

  12. The big question... by lordsilence · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone got a URL for the ebay-auction of that stuff?

  13. Have I missed something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1 - The prosecuters contend that Ary sold items and a figure of $180,000 is mentioned.

    2 - Ary's lawyer mentions tens of thousands of items. The defense will be that he is at most guilty of careless management.

    I have trouble putting 1 and 2 together. Presumably the prosecutors have disclosed their evidence to the defense. Do they have evidence that Ary sold anything to anyone? I think if they had any real evidence of that sort that Ary would quietly plead guilty and try for a reduced sentence. This has the smell of a case where all the evidence is circustantial.

    I'm sure not calling this guy guilty without seeing a lot more evidence.

    1. Re:Have I missed something? by Stop+Error · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you wont call anyone guilty without sitting on the jury and hearing all the evidence first.

      He has been accused, nothing more. Time will tell the rest of the story.

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    2. Re:Have I missed something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sorry, could not resist:

      circustantial: (adj) Where the prosecutor and defense atorney are particularly clownish...Judge Bozo presiding...

    3. Re:Have I missed something? by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      And luckily for this guy our court system agrees with your assessment as to not call him guilty without seeing all the available evidence.

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    4. Re:Have I missed something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The local news here in Kansas City, MO (not too far from the museam in Hutchinson, KS) said Ary made several large deposits during the years he is accused of selling the artifacts. I think there's more evidence than what the article reveals.

    5. Re:Have I missed something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1 - The prosecuters contend that Ary sold items and a figure of $180,000 is mentioned.

      2 - Ary's lawyer mentions tens of thousands of items. The defense will be that he is at most guilty of careless management.

      I have trouble putting 1 and 2 together.


      Of course you have trouble putting them together.. you're obviously not an attorney.

      But fear not! The Chewbacca Defense will be in play shortly to counteract this...
    6. Re:Have I missed something? by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      They had enough evidence to take to the grand jury for an indictment... You'll just have to wait and see what happens at trial.

      Chances are, they found someone who bought one of the items in question, and had him roll over on the guy.

      Or maybe he was stupid enough to open an eBay store, who knows.

      I'm sure not calling this guy guilty without seeing a lot more evidence.

      Good, because that's how our justice system works.

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  14. This is disgusting by jessecurry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am about to read the article, but I find this to be a horrible offense. Our national treasures are here for the entire population to enjoy. Anytime I hear about someone stealing or selling items of this type I am appalled. I can't believe that people can be so motivated my money. And it's only $180,000 that's not even that much.

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    1. Re:This is disgusting by youknowmewell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not that much? You saying $180,000 for a t-shirt is cheap? You obviously haven't been to Wal-Mart.

    2. Re:This is disgusting by IceWing_mk1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think that a control panel for Air Force One, a mock watch, a pen and a couple of t-shirts are our National Treasures? As opposed to things, like say, the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution. Bill of Rights... But then, somehow, am not surprised given the common attitutes which have become prevelant in our country.

    3. Re:This is disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Our national treasures are here for the entire population to enjoy"

      Well what good is a national treasure space T-shirt if the entire population can't wear it? Starting maybe with Uma Thurman...

    4. Re:This is disgusting by jessecurry · · Score: 1

      any of the items that played a part in the history of our nation become national treasures. Perhaps these don't have the same importance of the bill or rights, but they are pieces of the history of our technological achievement. Like it or not, many Americans draw a great deal of pride from the technological feats that America was able to accomplish before anyone else, they use it as a measure of how great the nation is. The ideals that our nation is built on are wonderful, but now success is measured in what we do with the freedoms that we have.

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    5. Re:This is disgusting by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

      Like our ability to run our government without deficit spending. Or to have a social medicine program for all. Maybe to fund college for anyone that wants to go. Or anything else that would benefit society as a whole.

      We'd rather let grandmothers die by not receiving meds/medical care than have socialized medicine. But hey, we did get to the fucking moon first (allegedly). Smartest richest country in the world that can only seem to cut taxes for the wealthy. Sounds like Utopia to me.

    6. Re:This is disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, too, despise thieves. Do you download copyrighted music?

    7. Re:This is disgusting by lgw · · Score: 1

      How does funding college for anyone who wants to go bebefit society? Funding college for those who would contribute more to society than the cost to society - that I can see. But how to know who to fund? Perhaps we should instead *loan* people the money to go to college, and thereby move the risk to the individual - harder for him, better for society. Oh, wait, we already do that.

      Don't confuse programs that make life easier in the short term with programs that are actually beneficial to society over time.

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    8. Re:This is disgusting by jessecurry · · Score: 1

      no I don't, I actually purchase all of my music. Most of the music that I like isn't online anyways so I have to frequent the local record store. Sometimes I even purchase CDs straight from the artists at shows.
      I suppose that I do actually download quite a bit of copyrighted music, but it is all either paid for or offered for free.

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    9. Re:This is disgusting by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      Well, that things in concern here are 'highly collectable' but it's debatable if they are 'national treasures.'

      Perhaps in a nation of flea-market denizens. . .

    10. Re:This is disgusting by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding me? You think the public education system doesn't benefit society as a whole?

      I guess you'd rather hire a person who cannot read or write to be your secretary. How about your tech support staff, why would they need any education. Software Engineers don't need school either. I guess reading Programming for Dummies should be enough.

      The more educated a society is the more everyone benefits by having better people to hire and keeping a nation ahead of the intellectual curve (which we are falling far behind at this time).

    11. Re:This is disgusting by lgw · · Score: 1

      Are things so bad now in our public education system that people don't get any eductaion, even basic literacy, until college?

      Certainly mandatory public education is valuable to establish a baseline minimum education (and we've been doing a poor job at that, it seems). However, it's still not the case that the majority of jobs require a college education. I don't know a *single* person who's using what they learned in college in the workplace today.

      I know way too many people who partied their way through college studying somehting they found interesting from time to time, but did nothing with that after entering the real world, to feel good about my tax dollars being used that way.

      The solution to the educational problems in this country is to fix the schools, not to give up on the schools and ask eveyrone to go to college to get basic education. I worry that we're headed down that path, however.

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  15. Seinfeld by Reignking · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is this how Seinfeld got the astronaut's pen that writes upside-down?

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    1. Re:Seinfeld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      astronaut's pen that writes upside-down

      Reminds me of west Wing episode where somebody mentions that the US and Russia have very different approaches for solving problems. Where the US spent millions developing a pen that would push out the ink under pressure at any angle so it would work in orbit, the Russians just used pencils.

    2. Re:Seinfeld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, genius. They sell those pens as souvenirs at the Johnson Space Center gift shop in Houston, TX, among other places. I bought one on a high school field trip about a decade ago. They're really not that remarkable. I'm sure there's also an endless list of online vendors now as well.

    3. Re:Seinfeld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd correct this nonsense, but by the time I would finish, eighteen other people will have done so. That makes me wonder if you're trolling.

    4. Re:Seinfeld by CokeBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, this is an urban legend. The reason not to use pencils is the tiny particles of graphite would get into the air, and that would be really bad to breathe, and also have an adverse effect on some systems.

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    5. Re:Seinfeld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funniest... joke... evar!

    6. Re:Seinfeld by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Plus I think the urban legend way predates any Seinfeld episodes.

    7. Re:Seinfeld by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, this is an urban legend. The reason not to use pencils is the tiny particles of graphite would get into the air, and that would be really bad to breathe, and also have an adverse effect on some systems.

      Graphite is a conductor. Graphite dust + sensitive/small electronics = shorts.

    8. Re:Seinfeld by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1

      You are wrong as well. The pen was developed by the manufacturer without consulting NASA. They did it off their own back for the publicity, "space" was the big thing back then. So, yes while there was a good reason to use them, that wasn't the drive behind it. I think they even gifted them to NASA.

  16. Innocent until proven guilty? by Bnderan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An indictment not being a conviction, most news organizations would try and work the word "allegedly" into such a report as this one. But It seems /. is exempt from that kind of responsibility. eh ... Fuck it ... let's hang him!

    1. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by NBrooke271 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, seeing as how our Slashdot readership surely knows the difference between an indictment and a conviction, it seems a little redundant to me.

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    2. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

      In the post 9-11 world, we can't be too hasty to condem a person.

    3. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the legal wizards who routinely refer to Microsoft as "a convicted monopolist"? Yeah, I'm sure your distinction is clear to them.

    4. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by penguinboy · · Score: 1

      Am I missing something? The /. posting says he was indicted and charged, nothing more.

    5. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by Bnderan · · Score: 1

      So you think he's innocent ...ay? Well then answer me this? Would you trust him to curate your antique space exploration artifacts? No? Ha! I didn't think so.

    6. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      "Am I missing something? The /. posting says he was indicted and charged, nothing more."

      "Indicted" means a Grand Jury has determined that there is sufficient evidence for a prosecuting attorney to bring a case against him in court. That prosecution *does* presume guilt and its task is to persuade a jury to recommend to a judge that his presumption is correct.

  17. what a waste by CompMD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Cosmosphere is one of my favorite museums. For the midwest, there is no better air and space museum. Aerospace technology and innovation is huge in Kansas, but there are a lot of people around here that can't go the the Smithsonian in DC or the EAA museum in Wisconsin. I would be very disheartened to learn that the allegations against Mr. Ary are true. The collection at the Cosmosphere is fantastic, and I hope there isn't any other fallout from this.

    1. Re:what a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also check out the Strategic Air and Space Museum near Omaha. Although it's more military oriented, they have a nice collection.

    2. Re:what a waste by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I hope there isn't any other fallout from this

      Well, I suppose they could turn it into the Kansas Museum Of They're-Only-Theories.

      I think it's great, actually, that there's a tech/aerospace-centric museum in Kansas (its current curatorial difficulties notwithstanding), but I guess I'm finding that spark of interest in applied science hard to square with the whole retro-dark-ages-religiosity thing. Especially in a state that makes a living off of living things (advanced crops) that didn't exist even a few years ago, or that have to do regular battle with strains of bacteria in their cattle that have (evolved!) resistance to certain drugs. I hope the Cosmosphere continues to thrive despite the awkward press, and that a few Kansan kids have their Critical Thinking Epihpanies while gazing at the cool flying machines on display. I don't think the stolen t-shirt or water valve were probably going to help much on that front anyway.

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    3. Re:what a waste by arh9623 · · Score: 0

      I grew up in hutchinson, and have visited the cosmosphere anytime I get the chance. It's hard to belive its in the middle of kansas. I'm sorry to hear this news, I hope the cosmosphere isn't affected.

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    4. Re:what a waste by CompMD · · Score: 1

      There is much more than just a spark of interest in science and technology in Kansas. However, if you go out to the western part of the state, you might be inclined to disagree. I think you should check out the University of Kansas School of Engineering and the Information and Telecommunication Technology Center to get a better idea of what scientific activities are taking place in Kansas. There is much more going on than many people think.

    5. Re:what a waste by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 1

      You forget the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson in Dayton Ohio. Wonderful place. They have the only remaining XB-70 Valkyrie there! HUGE and amazing airplane. As well as thousands of other exhibits.

  18. In a small way - who cares by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I read the article, and while part of me says "he should be thrown in jail for stealing stuff", another part of me says "so what" because the items for sold can never really be touched/felt by Joe Q. Public.

    Ayn Rand had it right when she said that the key thing about "public" property is that its definately not "public". You cant alter it, improve it, use it.

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    1. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did Ayn Rand also misspell "definitely"?

    2. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it wasnt that persons property.

      otherwise im hitting a museum TODAY!

    3. Re:In a small way - who cares by penguinboy · · Score: 1

      At least we were able to see it. Not now that it's been stolen..

    4. Re:In a small way - who cares by ornil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You cant alter it, improve it, use it.

      Do you think the private collectors who probably bought this are going to alter, improve or use it? No, it'll be in a glass case that only one guy can look at, instead of tens of thousands of people.

      I think precisely the opposite, private (i.e. for personal use only) collections of objects of this sort should not be allowed or at least be discouraged (unless the object in question is of secondary importance), because the guy who really wants to see these objects often can go to a museum like the rest of us. Or start a museum and let other people see the objects.

    5. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The items in question now can't be seen by the public either; even if they were stashed in some back room, NASA people/researchers would be able to check them out, and they might end up on display at some point. Not now, not while they are in somoen's private possesion (unless, amazinlgy, the new owner decides to make their *own* museum.)

      PS-Ayn Rand is not that great at logic, sorry.

    6. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ayn Rand had it right when she said that the key thing about "public" property is that its definately not "public". You cant alter it, improve it, use it.
      Right, like the public parks and libraries I use nearly every day. Can't use them at all.
    7. Re:In a small way - who cares by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ayn Rand was as big of an idiot as Marx was. They where both clueless.
      "thing about "public" property is that its definitely not "public". You cant alter it, improve it, use it."
      Really? I go and use mountain bike trails at a local park that a club built. That is "Public" land. Do you not use your streets? Public property also. Never go to a park or a beach? Never helped to pick up trash at a park or beach? Helped to build a playground. Here are a few concrete examples of people using, altering ,and improving public property. So here are also concrete examples that the statement is wrong.

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    8. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably, considering the way she misspells "Anne"

    9. Re:In a small way - who cares by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 1

      Surely a mountain bike trail is suitable to you, but its not suitable to me. I dont live anywhere near it, so why should public-funds goto making your life more enjoyable? I could whine about the money being "better spent on infrastructure...education..."

      There is a clear example of "public" properties being used for the enjoyment of a small group. Exactly the reason why your counter statement is wrong.

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    10. Re:In a small way - who cares by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 1

      If I cant make a clear determination on a peice of property (such as an artifact), then who is served by putting it in a glass case?

      Exactly who *can* make determinations on it? Whats wrong with a hunk of Apollo-12 in private ownership? I have a better chance of accessing it retained by private hands than would in "public-adminstered" hands.

      I'm not excusing the outright fraud/theft that the guy did. Just commenting on the so-called 'horror' of artifacts going to private hands.

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    11. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Somewhere near you, there IS a mountain bike trail you can use. You benefit.

      Quit your solipsitic whining.

    12. Re:In a small way - who cares by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      So far the two ACs who responded have actually made cases supporting your point, they just don't understand things well enough to do any better.

      I will attempt to actually disprove your point, understanding it full well.

      My argument is that you do benefit from his (or more generally, "some" of the public's) use of that trail. You benefit indirectly in that society benefits as a whole when there are enough public resources for entertainment and recreation such that as much of society that is able can make use of them, regardless of their economic means.

      Consider the case of public recreation facilities in neighborhoods of low economic class. Kids who are unable to pay for private recreation are much more tempted to take their entertainment via theft - stolen DVDs, stolen basketballs, or other stolen stuff which can be converted to cash to pay for that private recreation. You may argue that theft is immoral, but that doesn't matter one bit, practicality is what counts in the real world. And then there is the less tangible benefit of having as much of society as possible be engaged, healthy and expressive which results in a net gain in creativity and productivity.

      So, public property used as a way to maintain a baseline of opportunity and wealth for all members of society can well be in your best interest.

      Furthermore, the idea that private ownership of property is the best way to manage property rests on the idea of the "tragedy of the commons." But in these cases, as long as there is a sufficient quantity of public property, society will never reach the point of exhaustion, thus that whole argument for privatization is moot in this case.

    13. Re:In a small way - who cares by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Ayn Rand had it right when she said that the key thing about "public" property is that its definately not "public". You cant alter it, improve it, use it.

      You're a moron. If I didn't have 200 friends already, I'd foe you. Just wanted you to know.

      BTW, I rode a bus to work today. Does that prove you wrong?

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    14. Re:In a small way - who cares by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      While you statement is factual and informative. I was in now way arguing for the value of private land I was showing that the statement that it was was "You can't alter it, improve it, use it."
      This statement is what I was trying to disprove and feel that I have by example. The statement is wrong on so many levels right down to what do you mean by improve? Would using the Grand Canyon for a land fill improve it?

      I find that the people that are most in Love with Ayn Rand are almost never the Howard Roarks or John Gaults of this world but just a different flavor of Ellsworth Tooheys. They feel that they are being held back by people less bright, talented, or hard working than themselves. They complain instead of actually doing anything.
      If you think about it Ayn Rand was Ellsworth Toohey. She was not a builder or maker of things. She wrote books that did nothing but complain about how things where wrong and how to make them fit her vision of how the world should work.
      Yes I have actually read three of her books, Atlas Shrugged, Anthem, and Fountainhead. As a teenager I found them fascinating. As an adult as I said as dumb as Marx.

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    15. Re:In a small way - who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to use the public air when I walk on the public sidewalks or drive on the public roads. If you want to use the mountains, you can too. If you don't, you're wasting free stuff. That's your fault. Just because you're stupid doesn't mean the rest of us can't own nice things publicly. Essentially, the reason that we have public property is just so that we can deal with the stupid people who would fuck up their little section of curb space or their 50 feet of private roadway in front of their house so bad that no one else could use it.

      Frankly, the only long term solution to hardline libertarianism is for people to realize the simple fact that enough people won't play nice and share their private property when it's in the public good, and enter into contracts to ensure that roadways and air are kept to certain standards. That, by definition, is what our government does. Essentially libertarianism was in full force until humans crawled out of their festering hovels and decided to have community ownership of some goods. Libertarian ideals are nice, and the concepts of being thrifty with property are good to apply to current governments, but right now there are too many quality of life issues that government takes care of that would probably degrade significantly (which is hard to imagine for some government programs, true) if everything reverted to private ownership.

    16. Re:In a small way - who cares by Duhavid · · Score: 1
      I have a better chance of accessing it retained by private hands than would in "public-adminstered" hand


      Really? You do? How would you even know who had the articles in the first place? What if the articles are dispersed amoung 100 individuals? And what if the individuals in question do not allow you to see it? What happens when the articles are sold to other private collectors? And what happens if they decide to charge for access? Should something aquired using public tax money be allowed to enrich one person? And how will these items be cared for? Will they last for coming generations? I think public institutions are better equiped to answer these questions, but that is me.
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    17. Re:In a small way - who cares by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 1

      "How would you even know who had the articles in the first place? What if the articles are dispersed amoung 100 individuals?"

      Obviously the same problem happens when artifacts are under public-administration - as evidenced by the charges against Ary's. We all have heard the story of 'moonrocks' being sold off, and other artifacts being given away by the 'trustees'. There's no greater accountibility by having items overseen by a public trustee. Arguably, LESS accountability. If some article of mine is stolen, I'm going to pursue it vigrously.

      "What happens when the articles are sold to other private collectors? And what happens if they decide to charge for access?"

      What happens when a state musuem sells off paintings because they cant meet budget? Same thing as a private collector selling it privately.

      "Should something aquired using public tax money be allowed to enrich one person? And how will these items be cared for?"

      Millitary surplus is sold off every day, so where is the problem with publicly-paid items being sold to private individuals? There is no problem, so long as there is accountability on the public side of the finances involved.

      "Will they last for coming generations? I think public institutions are better equiped to answer these questions"

      Ancient manuscripts, the famous paintings of europe they have survived for centuries primarily because they were in the hands of private collectors. Certainly there were no 'public museums' in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s - public trust is a relatively new idea. Private ownership, while having shortfalls, has a longer track record of maintining artifacts.

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    18. Re:In a small way - who cares by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      Obviously the same problem happens when artifacts are under public-administration - as evidenced by the charges against Ary's

      This is not, I think, commonplace. I know in the cases of many public air museums, there are websites where I can see what they have. And the aircraft are on display. Private collections? No such luck. I know there is a discussion going on in the cases of warbirds, public ownership generally means that they are not flown. Private owners have a choice, some do and some dont. But with those who do, there are a number of accidents with the aircraft each year. This means fewer and fewer for coming generations to see.

      Note that you have only responded tangentally to the point. If the collection is dispersed amount 100 individuals, you have 0 chance to see them all together, and very little chance to even know where the item are. Yes, there are abuses of public ownership. I dont think we throw the whole concept out because of it.

      Arguably, LESS accountability. If some article of mine is stolen, I'm going to pursue it vigrously

      So, *you* pursue it vigorously. That still doesnt mean that *I* will ever be able to see it.

      What happens when a state musuem sells off paintings because they cant meet budget? Same thing as a private collector selling it privately.

      Technically true, but there is a higher probability of a private collector selling it privately ( and untraceably to the general public ). The private owner may find something they want more, they might get bored with it, they might find themselves strapped for cash, etc, etc. And it is true that some of these things may happed in a public collection, but you stand a chance of knowing where the item(s) went in the public case.

      Millitary surplus is sold off every day, so where is the problem with publicly-paid items being sold to private individuals? There is no problem, so long as there is accountability on the public side of the finances involved.

      What does this have to do with the subject at hand? The question is for a valueable item, aquired at public cost, why should one individual be able to dictate that a price should be charged for the viewing? In this case an individual is being enriched for no other good reason than that they had sufficient liquidity to purchase the item. And that assumes that they even decide to make it publicly available. I have a friend who purchased the cockpit area of an A-7 Corsair II. He has yet to charge me for viewing it. Why? No large intrinsic value or historic value. I think you can see that that is a different case than the artifacts that have survived the Apollo era. Which was the point I was trying to make, perhaps I should have stated that more clearly... No, I have no problem with private ownership of things of little historical significance. I do think that public ownership of items of high historic significance is better ( in general ) than private. Should we auction off the declaration of independance? I do think there is a place for some private ownership in this realm, dont get me wrong, but I dont think it works well for all items, and I think it requires case by case consideration.

      Course, the warbirds from the 40's were once in that category ( only more so... ). That has changed. ( No, I would not nessesarily argue that those warbirds should be removed from their custody, but it is still a shame when one of them crashes because the person that owned it did not take proper care of it. ( not to mention, that they will usually modify them to make them pass inspection, making them less historically interesting... ) ).

      Ancient manuscripts, the famous paintings of europe they have survived for centuries primarily because they were in the hands of private collectors. Certainly there were no 'public museums' in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s - p

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  19. I'll be rich, and quick! by Kimos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's surprising how much some people will pay for a tap. A tap! I should go buy some water valves, scratch off the brand name and write NASA on it with a marker. The only thing more reliable than a get-rich-quick scheme, is the stupidity of people.

    1. Re:I'll be rich, and quick! by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1
      The only thing more reliable than a get-rich-quick scheme, is the stupidity of people.

      I always prefered: "The only thing reliable as a get-rich-quick scheme, is the stupidity of people. " --- but that's gunna depend a whole lot on which side of the stupidity circle you're on, wouldn't it?

  20. What can I say? by JossiRossi · · Score: 1

    Geek Power corrupts, absolute Geek Power corrupts absolutly.

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  21. How to make money with space by rbanffy · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is an example of how much money the private space industry can make. This guy made US$ 180,000 without even leaving the planet...

    Amazing

  22. An even more pressing question... by Mancat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who the hell would buy this crap? $180,000 for this junk?

    Oh, I must have that water valve! Jeeves, fetch me my coat and have the Rolls Royce ready!

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    1. Re:An even more pressing question... by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

      Who the hell would buy this crap? $180,000 for this junk?

      Somebody with $1,000,180,000 just lying about?

      I don't know, I'd certainly give the guy five bucks for a valve that was from an Apollo craft. Would make a nice paperweight. Five bucks is just about all the spare cash I have on hand. For other people (namely, those who are not wage slaves like me), well, they can afford to spend more on trinkets and conversation pieces.

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    2. Re:An even more pressing question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who the hell would buy this crap? $180,000 for this junk?

      Hey! That stuff cost me a lot more than $180,000. Why I spent that much on...

      Oh... Does this mean I have to give it back?

  23. Annoying until proven anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An indictment not being a conviction, most news organizations would try and work the word "allegedly" into such a report as this one. But It seems /. is exempt from that kind of responsibility.

    Maybe because it's annoying as fuck to keep hearing broadcasts like "The alleged suspect allegedly entered the appartment, and allegedly threatened the alleged minor with a knife."

    Clearly, the courts will decide who is innocent or guilty, regardless of how many times a newscaster says "alleged".

    1. Re:Annoying until proven anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe because it's annoying as fuck to keep hearing broadcasts like "The alleged suspect allegedly entered the appartment, and allegedly threatened the alleged minor with a knife."

      Unless you have a solid proof of this, you really should say "Maybe because it's allegedly annoying as fuck to ..."

  24. Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw that episode of Monk too!

    P.S. Don't worry--they got the guy, recovered the space rock, AND saved the little girl's fish!

  25. What are they thinking? by jmoriarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How are the brains wired in people who commit crimes like this? In an "honest" bank robbery, you are committing an obvious crime and only trying to conceal your identity. In fraud, you are creating a deliberate facade to hide what you are doing until you can safely vanish.

    To sell highly visible pieces of property that you do not own, then lie quite openly (with documentation!) that you still have them, seems to require being out of touch with reality. How can you not get found out?

    Do crimes like this indicate some mental issue, perhaps like kleptomania? I would be his driving force wasn't even the money, but some other compulsion or need.

    1. Re:What are they thinking? by vortigern00 · · Score: 1

      Interesting how you arrived at a different conclusion than I. I thought of all the same points that you did, and arrived at the conclusion that he is probably not guilty. Not in a straightforward way, anyway.

    2. Re:What are they thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's guilty all right. If not of theft, then at the very least of gross mismanagement and neglect.

    3. Re:What are they thinking? by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      If he is in fact guilty here are my thoughts on why he might have done this.

      This is all speculation, which in my opinion is the best kind of *lation. I've often found that while obseviving others and thinking back to some of my own actions people don't think much about the future. Maybe he just saw the opportunity to make a quick buck. Immediate gratification.

      Maybe after dealing with the bureaucracy so long he thought he could do it with out anyone really noticing. Many people often say how bad the system is and how easy it would be to steal from it, but we often don't see the whole system and all its parts to know how to really steal from it. Superiority.

      Maybe he wasn't thinking rationally at all. I don't think stealing is rational, which is one of the reasons I haven't been able to rationalize stealing from others. So I don't steal from others. I think we are trying too hard to place our thoughts in to his state of mind. Maybe he just wasn't rational in his actions. Greed.
      So there are three possible explanations to his actions, but seriously who know why he might have done what he might have done. Course there is always stupidity. Yeah Stupidity has to account for a lot of the actions people do.

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    4. Re:What are they thinking? by mikael · · Score: 1

      I once heard of a case where some corparate admin and her husband figured they could write a company check of $2 million to themselves. The plan was that they would get the cheque signed, fly away to Brazil to start a new life, and by the time they reached the hotel, they would be millionaires.

      Unfortunately, they never managed to reached the airplane - they made the mistake of using the wrong color of cheque for the transaction.

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    5. Re:What are they thinking? by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 1

      This is all speculation, which in my opinion is the best kind of *lation.

      You forgot copulation.

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    6. Re:What are they thinking? by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      You right of course. I was only think of the *lations that I have engaged in so far.

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    7. Re:What are they thinking? by vortigern00 · · Score: 1

      Based on what do you make that conclusion?

      Do you have all the facts? Were you there watching him do it? At best you have a copy of the indictment which lists specifics such as auctions that the stuff was sold at, which looks damning... but you have not given any thought to the fact that you have only a bare smattering of the facts.

      And what is really infuriating is that your judgemental tendency is reflective of a sickening trend within american culture. Everyone is way too quick to judge without all the facts and no one can tolerate any sort of mistake.

  26. And of course... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

    Is that an Apollo 12 water valve in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

    Move along, nothing to... wait, there IS something to see...

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  27. Fisher Space Pen by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Nope, that's the Fisher Space Pen. Quite a nice design, highly recommended -- unless they get hot. Nice that they come with a cap.

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  28. Wait long enough.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And stuff is bound to show up on eBay. For example, I lucked into a plugin (for my scope) with a NASA-Langley property tag on it. Didn't cost too much either and works perfectly!!

  29. Re:I read about this on Friday. In a newspaper. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Welcome to slashdot. We either beat them all by a good 3-4 days or we lag the same length of time.

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  30. Love the Cosmosphere by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you've never been there, the Kansas Cosmosphere is an answer to anyone asking "Why the hell would I want to go to Kansas?" While it's not as big as the Air and Space Museum in DC, it has the largest collection of space artifacts in existance. You want to see Oddessey, the Apollo 13 command module? The gloves Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin wore on the moon? I was just there (again) this weekend and, had I not had my wife and daughter along, would have easily spent another 2 hours just walking through the museum. (by the way, the artifacts I mentioned are still there)

    They also have a planetarium and IMAX theater, but the museum is the real draw for me. It's a walkthrough the history of space exploration, from the early experiments of Goddard and Von Braun, to the German WW2 missle programs, the cold-war era space race, up through the Shuttle, ISS, and Space Ship One.

    The on-site restoration and replication studio does amazing work. They produced most of the props for the Apollo 13 movie. They later restored the Apollo 13 command module and the "Liberty Bell" Mercury module (which had sat on the ocean floor for decades) They received a retired SR-71 plane, and added on to the building to display it in the lobby.

    If you're anywhere near Hutchinson, Kansas, it's well worth driving out of your way to see.

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  31. Re:Iran launches space shuttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yep, I'm sure a water valve, a control panel, and a filthy t-shirt will get them real far. McGyver's got nothing on the Iranians.

  32. Re:The thing about NASA is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he may actually be right about this.

  33. Omniplex by enforcer999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm...now this makes me wonder about the true reasons why the Omniplex is in such mess.

    1. Re:Omniplex by seanmcelroy · · Score: 1

      Omniplex has been in a state of financial flux for some time now. Unfortunately, the politics involved in a non-profit museum are tremendous, and for years now the museum has been faltering due to a continues shuffle in the management deck. As a former employee, I can say that it's really a shame -- this museum used to be a world-class hands-on science museum patterned after the pioneering Exploratorium. However, the profit-driven boards of late have reduced the exhibit spaces to empty areas for occasional rentals and areas for costly traveling exhibits, while the permanent collection slowly broke down and went into dusty storage in the back.

      As always, the arrival of Max Ary was heralded as a step back to glory for Omniplex. What scares me is when I departed in September of 2003, much of Omniplex's air and space collection was being packed into storage. Gee, I hope none of that walked off. Omniplex is bad off enough without it's directorship actively TRYING to run it into the ground.

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    2. Re:Omniplex by enforcer999 · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the information. I work a few miles from the Omniplex and have seen the quality of the selections deteriorate. I wondered about the air and space collection or lack there of.

      Well, I hope the Omniplex gets some needed help.

  34. why is this story on slashdot? by flergum · · Score: 1

    this is just a story about some crook. why is it on slashdot?

  35. Max was anything but a moron. by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How Max got the job at the Cosmosphere is simple.

    He built the place. It started out as a planetarium at a state fair, and Max (and Patty Carey) worked their asses off to make it one of the leading space museums in the world.

    He is ANYTHING but a moron. He was one of the cageiest individuals around. He spent years combing junkyards in Florida, Huston, and Huntsville, finding gear that NASA had thown away when the program it was associated with was no longer funded.

    He found the best people to restore the artifacts, and built a museum collection that was the envy of other space museums.

    Before you spout off on the subject (and moderators, before you moderate this tripe as insightful) you might want to actually do some research on the history of the Cosmosphere.

    All of that makes this EVEN WORSE - Max could have just as easily continued to do as he had done, locating artifacts in junkheaps, having Spaceworks (the artifact restoration arm of the Cosmosphere) restore them, and legally sell them. He didn't have to do this!

    And if he did indeed misappropriate artifacts (and while it sure looks that way, do remember - he has not yet been convicted in a court of law), then that was not merely a carrer-limiting move, that was a carrer-ending move - no museum will ever touch him again.

    1. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, if he's so great and smart, why did he decide that he needed to sell off loaned articled from NASA?

      Sorry, he really is a moron. Sometimes moronity takes awhile before it becomes evident, such as in his case.

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    2. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by rob_squared · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait. He stole stuff, from a place he built, when he didn't have to. And how does this not qualify him for moron status?

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      I don't get it.
    3. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by Ioldanach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the place was in the business of selling off relics it no longer wanted to display, it could be a bookkeeping error. A big one, granted, but with a collection that size someone may have overlooked that these dozen or so items weren't owned by them and sold some off.

    4. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by Buran · · Score: 1

      When you sign a document stating that something's in your possession, you verify that first by actually physically making sure you still have it. If you do not, you are liable for making a false statement because it was your responsibility to ensure that you were affixing your signature to a true statement. A lot of papers like that do state "Under penalty of perjury, I state that..." so yes, you are legally responsible for making sure the statement on the document is true.

    5. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by Ioldanach · · Score: 1

      I'm not implying he isn't legally liable and responsible for the missing items. In fact, I'll be interested to see what evidence comes out under trial. It is fairly common practice, regardless of how dumb it is, to sign papers like that without actually verifying whether they're actually in posession. Note, first, that he hasn't been convicted. To date he's acted responsibly and this seems out of character. There are two possibilities here. The first is that he's a dishonest member of the top level of an organisation, and it was a good act, and he almost got away with stealing nearly $200k in artifacts. Alternatively, he's an honest member of the top level of an organisation, and thus responsibility falls to him for the lapses in security and missing peices.

    6. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by Buran · · Score: 2, Informative
      The space.com version of this story (where I originally heard about this) goes on to say:
      Disclosure: collectSPACE Editor Robert Pearlman is among the collectors who unknowingly purchased items stolen from the Cosmosphere. In response to a request by NASA, he has surrendered the artifact - an Apollo spacesuit strap-on pocket - to NASA's Inspector General.
      If the items are showing up in the hands of other people, who know where they got them from (if you're a serious collector, you keep records) then there's definitely something fishy there.

      Source: Former Museum Director Indicted in Theft of Space Artifacts
    7. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 1

      Strange that his attorney only stated that he

      "intends to defend his innocence against any charge that he harmed the Cosmosphere or the federal space program."

      but didn't deny the more serious charges of wire fraud, mail fraud, theft of government property and interstate transportation of stolen property. I know if I had been accused of something I didnt do, I would make a point of denying the actual charges brought against me.

    8. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      So, basically, he's a carny-that-done-good.

    9. Re:Max was anything but a moron. by idlemachine · · Score: 1
      Well, if he's so great and smart[...]

      You're right, why do anything when it's easier to just criticise the actions of others from the safety of /.?

      Sometimes moronity takes awhile before it becomes evident

      And sometimes it shows from the very first post...

  36. This guy is a jerk anyway by redshield3 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I worked at the Omniplex (the latest place this man was the director) over the summer, and had previously volunteered there for over four years.

    When he arrived at the museum he made a lot of sweeping changes without really consulting anyone. He fired most of the upper level people and replaced them with people he worked with in Kansas and I believe in Houston as well.

    His changes affected the character of the Omniplex in a detrimental way. The focus seemed to shift from educating people to making money. His management & leadership were piss-poor and had a negative effect on morale that trickled down to us lowly types who actually had to interact with visitors. Turnover was high all throughout the employee structure, and in the summer I worked there no less than 8 people were fired (the total staff is under 100).

    I hope that he is forced to leave and that his groupies he brought in leave too. Good riddance.

    1. Re:This guy is a jerk anyway by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you got way too caught up in the politics of the place for someone who was really just a volunteer/temp worker. Eight percent is really a low number of firings for a new management team; twenty to thirty percent would be more typical. You have to realize that there was a reason the board of directors brought him in, and it wasn't because everything was just hunky-dory before.

      I've watched the Cosmosphere's amazing growth from a small, community college planetarium to the premier exhibit of space. In fact my wife printed the brochure which first described Max's dream. It was an ambitious plan, but what impressed her most when visiting with Max at the time was how down to earth he was. (Pardon the pun.) As another poster has already stated, he saw an opportunity and worked hard and purposefully to achieve his goals.

    2. Re:This guy is a jerk anyway by redshield3 · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's not that a 'little temp worker' got caught up in the politics of the place. I care a lot about the Omniplex and I want to see it do well. My relationship with the museum and it's staff extends back about 15 years. I've watched the place take a pronounced nosedive since he took his position.

      These firings (from May to August of 2004) weren't related to any new management structure; these summer firings were people that actually do a lot of the work around the museum. Some of them had been there for over twenty years. They had spoken the truth about the negative effects some of the changes that were made in order to affect a change for the better; instead, they got the boot.

      When staff member after staff member gets fired for telling the upper managment that things they were trying to do just wouldn't work, and then lo and behold, they don't work, and things continue to get worse, it's hard to not notice.

      Not to mention the detrimental effect on personell morale - people were scared to tell the truth for fear they would lose their jobs.

  37. So stupid it might not be true by deacon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I realize that most criminals are stupid, but this is just silly. This guy is accused of selling stuff from museum inventory, but then attesting that the items are still present.

    The items alledged to be sold are obviously very rare, some must be on-off pieces, and anything made for the govt. is going to have a serial # on it.

    A museum curator is going to have a record of each object, its serial #, description, photos, restoration record, provenance, etc. etc... That's what curators DO!

    So while it's fun to grab a pitchfork and torch and join the mob, let's step back a bit and see how the evidence plays out here.

  38. RTFA, he pocketed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...allegedly pocketed the proceeds himself. That evidence is too damning to be a mere bookkeeping error.

  39. 11 Felony Counts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A guy sells some space artifacts and gets an indictment with 11 felony counts.

    Another guy steals top secret documents from the National Archives, stuffs them in his pants, takes them home and destroys them. He gets a misdemeaner.

    WTF?

  40. OT: Time phasing by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1
    Welcome to slashdot. We either beat them all by a good 3-4 days or we lag the same length of time.

    IME, Slashdot does both. ;)

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  41. Don't forget the Soviet/Russian stuff by benj_e · · Score: 1

    They have, IIRC, the largest collection of soviet space hardware outside Russia.

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  42. What they were really upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He also sold off the very rare nude photos of Sally Ride where she wears nothing but her flight suit boots and a martini.

  43. Keep an eye on the Air & Space Museum by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Hey Fred, wasn't the Spirit of St Louis hanging up there before?"

    "Ahhhh, I think it is out at the cleaners."

    By the way, if anyone approaches you in a parking lot with a genuine V2 rocket in the back of their van it is ok to be suspicious.

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  44. yay for blind allegiance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you are exactly the kind of narrow minded idiot who follows her mostly foolish thinking.

    You focus on his example of a mtn bike trail not being usable by you, so therefore it is a waste of money. I'm sure there is some public land/property/thing that you use and he doesn't. This stuff is for the betterment of all society, not just you and your selfish ass (yes, betterment is a word). What do you do that makes you happy? Do you run marathons? Hike and camp? Surf, snowboard, skateboard, play football, play chess on a bench, read in the park, play Magic or D&D somewhere public? Those mtn bike trails can be used by hikers, campers, picnicers, bird watchers, forest rangers, etc. That's not so small of a group anymore.

    Besides, what would you rather have done with that land? Let it sit empty and useless? That's a smart use of my money. Sell it to a land developer? That's great; now one rich person gets to use it for his own personal benefit with no profit on my originally spent tax dollars (since he greased some politician to get a low price on the property).

    Ayn Rand had some interesting ideas, but mostly she just hated communism and loved capitalism. Her biggest achievement was getting a bunch of elitist know-it-alls to consider her a god... not so different from how L.Ron Hubbard got a bunch of elitist know-nothings to consider him a god.

  45. I do not know much of US justice by aepervius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But does not indictment means you are accused, and now it is the job of the prosecutor to proove the accusation : aka he is not yet judged ? If this is right then you have no ground of putting a statement like "he stole" or "he is a moron". Reserve your judgement until the end of the prosecution. And moderator, how can you moderate the parent post as insightful ? the guy has only been charged, not yet judged ! Is innocent until proven guilty only empty words in the US ??

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    1. Re:I do not know much of US justice by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      "And moderator, how can you moderate the parent post as insightful ? the guy has only been charged, not yet judged ! Is innocent until proven guilty only empty words in the US ??"

      This isn't the US...This is Slashdot!

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    2. Re:I do not know much of US justice by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      My passing judgement doesn't bother me, since I am neither an appointed judge or sequestered juror.

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  46. Re:I read about this on Friday. In a newspaper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The betamax decision guarantees our right to time shifted news.

  47. WTF? I mean WTF!!!? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    How does someone think they can get away with something like that? This guys exemplifies the worst outcome of capitalism. He wanted money, he had a product (which wasn't his) and he found a buyer, and by god he was going to make a profit! I hope they lock him up in ass raping prison for a decade or two. Someone who thinks they should be able to make money any way they see fit is a dangerous person.

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  48. Seriously... by xactuary · · Score: 1

    What's the Matter with Kansas? Fundraising Idea for the Cosmosphere: What would slashdotters pay to see this guy streaking across the sky at terminal velocity after being tarred and feathered.

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  49. Really sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read about this story a week ago, it's really a shock, mainly because I went to the Future Astronaut Training Program(FATP), the Cosmosphere's version of Space Camp. I don't think I met the director(as far as I know, I went there in 1997), but I heard alot about him and how much he had done for the museum. I really hope this is all a big misunderstanding..

  50. Now I know why Jack Horkheimer by Urusai · · Score: 0

    is now the Star Gazer http://www.jackstargazer.com/...this guy is the REAL Star Hustler.

  51. Gotta love lawyers... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    "Ary's attorney Lee Thompson said his client "intends to defend his innocence against any charge that he harmed the Cosmosphere or the federal space program."

    Umm.. the charge isn't that he harmed the Cosmosphere or the federal space program. The charge is that he took shit that wasn't his and sold it and kept the money... also known as THEFT.

    The issue is not whether he "harmed" one organization or the other.. the issue is that he broke the law.

    Ugh... there are still only 1000 of them at the bottom of the ocean, unfortunately..

  52. Huh?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ary now lives in Oklahoma City, where he runs the Kirkpatrick Science and Air Space Museum. A spokeswoman said Ary will take a leave of absence.

    They didn't say why? Is the leave so that the museum can save face? Or is it so that he'll have time to properly e-bay stuff from the Kirkpatrick Science and Air Space Museum?