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New Mac System Specs

xyankee writes " Think Secret appears to be dishing more of the dirt that Apple loves to hate so much, this time dropping details on updated Power Mac G5, iMac G5, and eMac systems soon to be released. Looks like speed bumps all around: Power Macs get to 2.7GHz, iMacs to 2GHz, and eMacs to 1.42GHz. Video cards and SuperDrives are also upgraded."

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  1. Slow learners? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting


    If my memory serves, a judge passed a ruling on this a little while ago. Shouldn't they be at least slowing down a bit while this is resolved? And if not, why didn't someone give some sort of cease-and desist order?

    (Disclaimer: IANAL, and watching them on TV gives me a headache.)

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    1. Re:Slow learners? by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      THere's nothing that says they can't publish the information. They only can't refuse to reveal their sources who may have violated NDA contracts.

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    2. Re:Slow learners? by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Informative
      Actually, the UTSA does restrict the freedom of speech and has been upheld as constitutional thus far.

      Er...the UTSA is not a law. It is a model statute. It only applies where and to the extent to which it has been adopted. It also usually requires that the publisher know that the source of information is violating the law by disclosing it, essentially making the publisher a party to a crime.

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    3. Re:Slow learners? by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, there is. In California, which is the controlling jurisdiction, it's against the law to knowingly publish trade secrets. Unannounced product details are definitely trade secrets.

      Not to mention the fact that Nick Ciarelli is apparently still actively engaged in tortious interference.

    4. Re:Slow learners? by wtmcgee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Knowingly revealing (and soliciting, no less) trade secrets is in fact illegal and not protected as 1st amendment speech.

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  2. No word yet... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...on whether these use the already-known-to-exist IBM PowerPC 970MP, a dual core version of the G5. This could mean that we'd have >2.5GHz dual-dual core Power Mac systems.

    Further, an update to Apple's CHUD tools (subsequently pulled) had clear references to quad processor capability, as well as references to the 970MP, and the single core 970GX.

    What could essentially be called "quad G5" systems (including Xserves) are just a matter of time. And with dual >1GHz frontside busses and PC3200 DDR RAM (8GB max in Power Mac, 16GB max (also ECC) in Xserve), these machines are nothing to sneeze at.

    What will be interesting to see is when the Power Macs will have PCI-X and Blu-Ray. From the most current round of rumors, it looks like that's still another upgrade away...

    1. Re:No word yet... by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Informative

      PowerMacs already have PCI-X. You're thinking of PCI-E. Though I really think somebody out there must be a numbskull when we have PCI Extended and PCI Express.

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    2. Re:No word yet... by zhiwenchong · · Score: 5, Funny

      Boy this reminds me of DOS days:

      XMS - eXtended Memory Specification
      EMS - Expanded Memory Specification - uses page frames

      Confused the heck out of most non-techies....

      And then we had:
      USB 2.0 Full-speed (12 Mbps)
      USB 2.0 Hi-speed (480 Mbps)

      And:

      Victorinox - Original Swiss Army Knife
      Wenger - Genuine Swiss Army Knife

    3. Re:No word yet... by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Informative

      PCI-X is really designed for servers: RAID cards, gigabit ethernet, fibre channel, things like that. It's just an extension of the original PCI, to wring more life out of it until PCIe was ready, so it's unlikely that more uses will be found for it.

      PCI-express is, on paper, good for everything. The x16 slots are for video cards, the x8 slots for RAID and gigabit, the x1 slots are for everything else, from new ports to sound cards to whatever. Or they will be, anyway; I've yet to see a PCIe device other than a video card.

      People stick all kinds of things in slots (there's a joke there, somewhere). With more stuff being integrated into computers, it's become sort of a power user thing, though, which is why only the Powermac on the Mac side has the slots.

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    4. Re:No word yet... by doggkruse · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tiger is supposed to include this feature:

      Fine Grain Locking (SMP scalability)
      Enjoy improved performance and scalability.

      see http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/

    5. Re:No word yet... by EggyToast · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, obviously there'll be more stuff coming out when it's more widely available on a major platform (the PowerMac is a small subset of even the Mac community). But I totally agree with you that PCI slots are becoming more and more a power-user only interface. Casual users like external stuff so they don't need to muck about on the internals, plenty of ports are getting stuck on the mainboard or have connectors to the outside world included, and there's less that people really need PCI for.

      I mean, i've got the 3 slots, and I consider myself a power user, but they remain empty because all the ports I need are already on the computer, or it's cheaper/easier for me to simply buy an external device. I've got 2 FW enclosures and an external nice soundcard on FW.

      I know it's not just me, either, since the last Windows computer I put together only used PCI slots for a FW card and a fancy soundcard. If anything, the video push going on will get FW on PC mainboards more steadily, and, well, most people don't need fancy soundcards either. I know shopping around there was always the "I need 6 PCI slots" crowd, but I would've been perfectly happy with just 2.

      It's almost like, the sooner PCI is sidelined, the sooner mainboards will come with better equipment installed and the sooner external devices with essentially more functionality will become common. But now I'm dreaming...

  3. Heh, speed bumps... by wolfemi1 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Looks like speed bumps all around"

    You mean, like, to keep them all from going too fast?

  4. Cool! by jargoone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I decided a couple weeks ago that I wanted to Switch(tm). Tiger release gets announced, I'm good there. Now I have another reason I have to wait for! It's all good though, the Dual 1.8 is the one I want, and I expect the refurb prices to drop like a rock once the new ones come out. Anyone know if this will be the case?

  5. emac? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

    just an 's' shy of immaculate...

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  6. They've ditched the plumbing/new iMac video by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... on the old dual 2.5 G5. Thats a good thing I think. As impressive as the system was, there's something (irrational) in my mind that just gets nervous about things like that. I'm worried that the... juice... will leak out onto the mobo.

    Nice to see the iMac getting a more decent video card. (Yes, I know it probably 'sux0rs for gam3z' but honestly, a mediocre gaming card these days will slay practically any other reasonable computing task. It makes me laugh when you see the gamers dis something like, say, a nVidia 5200. That card sucks rocks! but it will also do realtime previews in Motion on uncompressed DV. That used to take some heavy hardware. Just sayin'.)

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  7. Midplane by akira69 · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, do you think they fixed the midplane capacitor issue? I've had to replace one already, and the replacement didn't work... I'm still trying to get my 20" iMac working again. Any insight on this? I really hope they redesigned the board!

  8. new ibooks too... by remove+office · · Score: 4, Informative

    new ibooks are also expected to be shipping around the same time, if not a few days later.

  9. No Mac mini upgrade? by OlivierB · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like all the systems are beefing up the Video Cards to support the latest and the best from Tiger (i.e. at least 64Mb and programmable GPU required to support core image).

    As much as I like my Mac mini, I am torn apart wishing they would either#:
    a) upgrade their video cars to something like an ATI 9600 with 64 Mb of Ram
    b) don't change anything so I won't feel the *URGE* to upgrade to a Higher Spec Mac Mini.

    ARgg, Apple has embraced drug dealer like methods; I am now hooked and I won't be able to quench my thirst until something else hits my desk!

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  10. document tracing technologies by Fox_1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two eMac models, code-named Q86J
    I remember reading about different techniques to track leaks of top secret documents from the CIA, one method was to use synonyms of different words in each copy of the document and see if the leaks used the same synonyms in their materials. While I doubt the code-name is an example of this, I wonder in Apple's quest to track it's leaks what kind of internal tracking/security features it's using for documents about new products.

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    1. Re:document tracing technologies by jcuffe · · Score: 5, Informative

      The canary trap IIRC. Tom Clancy made a big deal about that with his main character throughout most of his novels. Apparently the way it works was to make many different copies of the documents, using a program to vary the punctuation and word choice. It's a remarkably elegant solution, and if Apple isn't doing this now, I don't know what the hell their problem is.

  11. Re:But what about the PowerBooks!? by argent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because a G5 powerbook is "the mother of all thermal challenges" (direct quote from Apple).

    You don't want a G5 powerbook. You want a dual-G4 powerbook. the new Freescale dual-G4 chip breaks the G4 166 MHz system bus bottleneck, *and* gives you dual-core as well. It would breeze past any underclocked G5 Apple could fit in a laptop the size of a Powerbook.

  12. Re:Pfft, why? by slimak · · Score: 4, Informative

    You do realize that you can run Linux on Apple hardware, right? In fact i think that Linus Torvalds (you may have heard of him) does this.

  13. Huh? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You would have bought windows again if not for a tiny processor speed bump on the macs? Of course, once you turn on your new Mac you'll see the real reason to switch.... OS X, not sheer processor speed.

  14. Re:Still waiting... by MarcQuadra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No it wouldn't. There's little to no benefits from 64-bit computing on a portable. The G5 was built for machines that can draw a fair amount of wattage. A G5 PowerBook would be hotter, larger, and more power hungry than a machine based on Freescale's 8641 series, a branch off the G4 family.

    The only limiting factor of the G4 today is the memory bus, which Freescale has to keep compatible with the ancient 60x bus because of their other clients (like Cisco). The 8641 is a G4 with a totally rebuilt memory controller onboard and RapidIO, an alternative to HyperTransport.

    You'd be happier with an 8641-based PowerBook than a 970-based PowerBook. Trust me.

    I do think Apple will _call_ the 8641-based laptops 'G5's though, they'll say it has to do with the 'generation of the technology, not a specific type of CPU'.

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  15. This is good by darien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's got to be good for Apple's marketing that their MHz ratings are properly competing with modern PCs nowadays. The whole "MHz myth" argument always sounded a bit weak, even though I knew intellectually that it was a fair point.

  16. Re:Micro ATX G5, BYOKDM by WombatControl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason we're not seeing a Mac mini G5 or a PowerBook G5 is because the G5 chip has some severe thermal issues. You could have either, but in both cases you'd need a massive fan to keep the chip cool. The iMac is about the limit of how tightly you can cram a G5 into a case without worrying about the thing overheating and turning your machine into a desktop hibachi.

    You're really not gaining much with 64-bit quite yet. Even with Tiger, the Cocoa and Carbon libraries are still 32-bit, meaning that unless you have someone writing a 64-bit backend that interfaces with the 32-bit UI, most apps won't take advantage of the extra address space. In fact, for some applications, 64-bit addressing actually slows things down - why allocate a pointer that's 64-bits wide unless you need to do so?

  17. Re:Smaller portable needs. by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 4, Informative
    Check out these sales figures for the second quarter: Keynote Presentation

    In spite of the recent trackpad isses, PowerBooks are selling like iPods(yes, hot cakes have been replaced by iPods).

  18. best thing about this.... RAM by tyler083 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the best thing about this has to be the default amount of RAM. currently the iMac's only come with 256. And Apple is damn'd expensive with upgrading this (yes, I know you can buy 3rd party and install it yourself). Think Secret is reporting that the entire iMac line will start with 512... i can only hope it is one dimm

  19. Re:Buy a powermac now, upgrade in 2 weeks? by bombadillo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "And the project is due in a week and a half.

    What to do, what to do.... Argh...


    For starters you could quit pratting around reading \. and start the project.

  20. 2 drives halves your MTBF by micron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you look at it statistically, you have better MTBF on a single drive, than you do on two...

    for example, 1 drive = 500,000 hrs mtbf

    1/500,000 + 1/500,000 = 2/500,000 or 1/250,000

    so two drives give your a MTBF or 250,000 hrs for your drive subsystem.

    Also given, MTBF is more useful for calculating the amount of failures that you will see over a large population of drives as opposed to your single machine experience.

    Using things such as RAID does not put a dent in your drive MTBF, but it does make a huge difference in your data preservation!

  21. Re:Smaller portable needs. by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 5, Funny
    I spend so much time using my 12 inch in bed, often holding it up above my head.

    Braggart.

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  22. They both make knives for the Swiss Army ... by balamw · · Score: 4, Informative
    They have both made knives for the Swiss Army since the late 19th century. This describes what I recall as the case.

    The Compromise of 1908

    The company from which Wenger emerged had been a supplier to the Swiss Army as early as 1893, and its competitor, Victorinox, since 1890. Wenger is in the French-speaking Jura region, and its competitor is in the German-speaking canton of Schwyz. To avoid friction between the two cantons, the Swiss government decided in 1908 to use each supplier for half of its requirements. So while Victorinox can lay claim to be the "original", Wenger can state that its Swiss Army Knives are the "genuine". In any case, both have been manufacturing Swiss Army Knives for over 100 years and both must meet identical specifications laid down by the army.

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