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MP3 Market Approaching Critical Mass

An anonymous reader writes "Led by the Apple iPod, Jupiter Research says that sales of DAPs are reaching a point where it will ignite an industry of support products and services. According to Jupiter analyst David Card 'Historically, any new device or medium that reaches a U.S. household penetration of 15 percent to 20 percent creates a critical mass of customers for other products and services.' The iPod already has a slew of peripherals out there and this is particularly good news for the paid download services like iTunes, especially with Apple announcing Wednesday they sold another 5.3 million iPods last quarter."

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  1. And, more interestingly... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...another News.com article on this topic:

    Music moguls trumped by Steve Jobs?

    When Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs walked into the suites of top record label executives in 2002, iTunes software in hand, he was welcomed as a trailblazer to a digital music future.

    Now, nearly two years after Apple's iTunes launch, record executives have become worried that they have inadvertently ceded too much power over their industry to this charismatic computer executive.

    Frustrated at what they see as Jobs' intransigence on song pricing and other issues, some record executives are now turning their hopes toward other partners, particularly mobile phone carriers eager to get into the business of selling music. They see this new focus as a way to broaden the digital music business, and lessen Apple's dominance over their market in the process.

    [...]

    For example, Apple wants to sell all its songs for 99 cents each, a single price point that's easy for consumers to understand. But the record labels have pressed for the ability to vary prices to maximize their own sales. They want to sell older titles at a discount--like the $9.99 CDs available in most record stores--and charge more for popular songs to take advantage of market demand.


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  2. Well by elid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I understand that the iPod craze has been great for Apple, but I wonder how many people actually buy those accessories that are available (such as the voice recorder and FM transmitter). It's one thing to pay a premium for a high-quality Apple iPod; it's another thing to pay $30 for a an add-on - for features that come standard with other MP3 devices!

    1. Re:Well by Kimos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trust me, people buy them. If they just spent $400 on an iPod they're going to want to protect it, sell them a case. They want to listen to their iPod in their CD players at home/in the car, sell them a transmitter. It's an expensive toy, so $50 more to make it work better and stay in better shape is not much...

    2. Re:Well by elid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But it's not even Apple that's making those accessories. So you're paying $30 for that non-Apple add-on. Why isn't Apple making these things?

    3. Re:Well by RatBastard · · Score: 2

      I bought an FM transmitter to use in the car on my last trip to relatives out of state. It saved my sanity from the sewer that is radio. I also bought an extra charger and power cable so I can listen to my iPod at work all day and not run the battery down.

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    4. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because Apple has always had the attitude that there's room for a peripheral market to coexist with their own market. They let the other companies fill the random niches that are created.

    5. Re:Well by anonicon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So you're paying $30 for that non-Apple add-on. Why isn't Apple making these things?"

      Because they've probably determined that it's not their core competency, and is in fact an example of di-worse-ification.

      Chuck

    6. Re:Well by justforaday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The one benefit with radio: You have a much better chance hearing a song you've never heard before.

      Where do live that you have this bizarro-radio?

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    7. Re:Well by tartanblue · · Score: 2, Informative

      My Neuros does! http://www.neurosaudio.com/

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    8. Re:Well by peg0cjs · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's a tape deck?

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    9. Re:Well by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here you go:
      A tape deck.

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    10. Re:Well by globalar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a kind of balance.

      Support costs for accessories can be substantial, and a consistent level of quality in product and customer service are key to the Apple brand. Extending the business is inevitable, but must be made in step with the brand's "promise."

      Also, a strong third-party market only helps Apple (lots of choice, innovation, good pricing, etc.). Why enter and compete in a market when the existing competition is helping you? Any effective step by Apple into the accessory market would either cause furious competition (cutting into the profitability) or discourage new competitors (level it out).

      As of now, Apple is getting the best of both worlds - iPod accesories make the iPod more attractive, "cool", and reinforce the brand. Meanwhile Apple can operate independent of this market. The company is reaping the market rewards from a successful product. Soon, however, the brand will mature and there will need to be an injection of marketing, innovation, and features. The third-party market will only accelerate the effectiveness of Apple's brand.

  3. 5.3 Million? by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cripes. These iPods are like Rabbits in Australia!

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    1. Re:5.3 Million? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cripes. These iPods are like Rabbits in Australia!

      Anyone tried breeding the little bastards? You could make a fortune selling the offspring on Ebay!

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    2. Re:5.3 Million? by fakedupe · · Score: 2, Insightful
  4. Critical Mass by Pinefresh · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love that term, it makes it sound like there'll be an explosion. Everyone stop buying i-pods! it's our only hope!

    1. Re:Critical Mass by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I give credit to iPods/Apple for succeeding in the most harsh econmical climate. High unemployment rate, .com market crash, real estate prices are ludicrous.... yet it managed to succeed while being totally overpriced.

    2. Re:Critical Mass by Photar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe you should reconsider your assumption that we're all so bad off.

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    3. Re:Critical Mass by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you're selling the everlovin' crap out of your product, it is not "totally overpriced", by definition.

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  5. CNet Reports Otherwise... by tquinlan · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...in this story that suggests that Apple's music dominance is not viewed as favourable by record labels. In fact, it mentions the labels' efforts to start working with wireless phone carriers to charge more for music via ring tones, which is "more in line with their economics".

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    1. Re:CNet Reports Otherwise... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it's funny that the respective industries think that $3-$4 is fair for a low quality rendition of a music clip played through a high-pitch piezo speaker. I'll stick with the stock tones, thanks. Same for "wallpapers", a postage stamp sized image of 1k pixels is not worth $3-$4. I remember downloading my own using the phone's internet service, even making my own, put it on my web site and downloading to the phone. If either were half a dollar, then it might be a worthwhile package as a whole.

    2. Re:CNet Reports Otherwise... by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Everybody I know seems to completely hate the add-ons to their phones.

      Cameras are no biggie to most people one way or the other, but otherwise it's a parade of dissatisfaction:

      - Ringtones and wallpapers are way too expensive.
      - Phone internet access is a pain in the ass, and also overpriced.
      - Text messaging should be damn near free, often costs a bundle.
      - Voice mail services are often a hassle to navigate.
      - Speakerphones can sometimes only be turned on after the call has begun, making it slightly less useful.
      - Damn near every phone has it's own custom charger, it's own custom peripheral connector, etc., so every time you change phones you gotta buy everything for it all over again.

      It seems to me that there's a HUGE business opportunity here. If just one company would come along to offer a truly standardized GSM phone with one fair price for all services, and totally open access to data services of any kind, they would completely own the US market within two years (the time it would take some of us for our currect contracts to expire.)

      As it is, my current plan with T-Mobile is cheap enough, and the Motorola phone I bought for it is okay for most things... but give me the chance to jump ship to somebody who doesn't outright rob their customers over trivial things like ringtones, and I'm there!

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  6. MP3 Market Approaching Critical Mass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Takes a real Nostradamus to make such a bold prediction.

    Insert tenuous ipod reference [here] to make slashdot front page.

  7. Not quite yet. by FreeLinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I can get one of these in the US for less than $100, then I will agree. Until then, there is more mass to be had before criticality.

  8. Interesting to see this report by winkydink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure this was a report sponsored in part by Apple in an attempt to boos the stock price back up soon after Apple's stock got hammered by the Street because there are widespread concerns about what Apple does "next". i.e., is the Ipod a one-hit wonder?

    I'm sure the Apple zealots will mod this into oblivion.

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    1. Re:Interesting to see this report by Leontes · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your reading of the stockmarket is pretty shortsighted, I think. The correction which plagues apple stock right this moment is a crisis of faith; the looking for miracles rather than a logical progression of business. it's hard to imagine the ipod being more of success right now, or apple's star to look any brighter in the future.

      The idea of a critical mass has a beautiful ring to it, but it is the fundamentals and the continued approach to success which will continue Apple's ascension. It doesn't really matter what the marketplace will bring; with leadership like Jobs is showing the momentum seems like it will just continue.

    2. Re:Interesting to see this report by rsborg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm sure this was a report sponsored in part by Apple in an attempt to boos the stock price back up soon after Apple's stock got hammered by the Street ...

      Uh... but this article clearly states that the Music Industry is scared of Apple's potential stranglehold with online music sales (iTunes). I *seriously* doubt that a paid-for puff piece (even a one that was engineered to look neutral) would put the Apple-Music Industry relationship in doubt. That, as an investor, would get me worried about Apple's stock price (ie, LOTS of their current price has nothing to do with OSX or even the iPod. It's all about how iTMS and possibly, iMovieVideoStore will use the good relationship with the industry to keep the growth alive and market booming).

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    3. Re:Interesting to see this report by amichalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sure the Apple zealots will mod this into oblivion.

      If you don't want to be modded into oblivion, try posting something factual and interesting, insightful or funny. Perhaps this would help.

      And for the record, your comment is incomplete:
      Apple's stock got hammered by the Street because there are widespread concerns about what Apple does "next". i.e., is the Ipod a one-hit wonder?

      Analysts reported they are concerned that the average price per sale has gone down, noting the introduction of Apple's lowest prices desktop, the $499 Mac mini and the lowest priced iPod, the Shuffle like $99 - $149.

      Further, there was concern over the pressure of cell phone carriers who will be introducting competetive combo phone/DAP devices this year.

      Lastly, and most significantly, they were concerned that apple projected sustained sales around $3B for next quarter, Q3'05, which are inline with sales from the past Q2'05 Quarter but do not show as much growth as Apple had show in past quarter-to-quarter comparisons.

      In fairness, analysts do care if iPod is a 'one hit wonder', mostly because they want to see if the Halo Effect will product more CPU sales (they sole 1 million CPUs this past quarter). But even if Apple never introduces another 'hit' of the scale of the iPod, if they maintain market penetration at 70% as the market matures, they will have built quite a fine business for themselves.

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  9. Yay by frikazoyd · · Score: 2, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new digital music overlords. Wait, shit. Where am I?

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  11. MP3 hardware = commodity by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can play MP3s on my phone, PDA, handheld...etc

    Why is this even news? Maybe interesting to get a real article about this topic, but hardly news.

    Don't be surpised to get a free "made in china" portable MP3 player with your next CD purchase.

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  12. Those who fail to learn from history... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs walked into the suites of top record label executives in 2002, iTunes software in hand, he was welcomed as a trailblazer to a digital music future.

    Now, nearly two years after Apple's iTunes launch, record executives have become worried that they have inadvertently ceded too much power over their industry to this charismatic computer executive.

    Frustrated at what they see as Jobs' intransigence on song pricing and other issues, some record executives are now turning their hopes toward other partners...

    Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry. They're so interested in screwing everyone they can for a buck that the minute someone is successful using their property, they feel they need to bite back. It's rather like watching a bunch of cavemen around the first fire. One gets burned so they all put the fire out with their clubs, then thump their chests and hoot in victory before sitting around in the dark and cold again.

    I think RIAA deserves the Duh! Prize (if there was one.) Next year or so it'll be the MPAA doing the same thing.

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    1. Re:Those who fail to learn from history... by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      right, and the marginal cost for a song is close to 0, so eventually we should be paying close to 0 for music.... right?

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  13. bread, circuses, low apr credit cards by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know a few people who spent their unemployment checks on iPods.

    Gotta have priorities.

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    1. Re:bread, circuses, low apr credit cards by tbone1 · · Score: 2, Funny
      I know a few people who spent their unemployment checks on iPods.

      Gotta have priorities.

      That's terrible! Everyone knows that unemployment checks are for cigarettes and lottery tickets.

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  14. Thats great and all...but where is the...? by HardSide · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now all we need is a report of how many of those iPods are sent back for faulty manafacturing and instability...

    I cringe everytime I see a person jogging down the street with their iPod on the side, listening to music. (If you didn't know the hard drive in the iPod if shaken/moved at an exact point when the HD spin, it can/will break the iPod and render it totally useless)

    1. Re:Thats great and all...but where is the...? by JavaElementOfStyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know someone who is currently on her 4th iPod because of this. Although, she has had each previous one replaced for free by Apple.

  15. critical mass eh? by vurg · · Score: 5, Funny

    When will the quality of music reach tolerable mass?

    1. Re:critical mass eh? by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful


      >When will the quality of music reach tolerable mass?

      Lots of good music has been recorded since the invention of the phonograph. I take it you do not enjoy the current mainstream popular material, but I assure you, THAT has been the steady state of popular music for a long, long time.

      Every generation leaves behind two kinds of music collections:

      1. The music that the record companies wanted you to buy, which you did.
      and
      2. The music that was not force-marketed.

      Guess which box of records is worth $5.00 at the yard sale, and which records can be sold for $50.00 a piece?

      There's nothing new here. It's been this way forever.

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  16. Foresight? by zbuffered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If MP3 players are rapidly approaching critical mass, how long will it take before car stereos will feature minijack inputs as standard?

    Considering the cost of including one versus the cost of replacing the deck so that you can plug your MP3 player in, why wouldn't more manufacturers be doing this? I know a few are, but I'm in the market for a new car and the deck that comes with it figures into the real cost. Replacing the stock stereo with one that will take input from my MP3 player should be unneccessary if these things are really at critical mass.

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    1. Re:Foresight? by hazee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As many have said before on Slashdot, if companies like Sony (who already produce both MP3 players and car stereos) had any sense at all, they would come up with integrated systems where the MP3 player serves as the detachable faceplate for the car stereo.

      Doing this kills two birds with one stone. When you're in the car, you get your whole music collection with you, and when you leave the car, you can take it all with you, leaving nothing of value in the car.

      But as Sony has repeatedly shown, they haven't got a friggin' clue. This is the company that is *still* attempting to flog their bloody ATRAC format. How many people on the street have even heard of ATRAC, much less care what it is?

      Sony, WAKE UP, get a clue, produce a "proper" MP3 player, and brand it "MP3 Walkman" so that the whole world knows what it is and what it does.

  17. "Critical Mass" not good for apple by 0kComputer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They were talking about this on NPR yesterday, but instead of "critical mass" they called it market saturation.
    Thats why Apple's stock took a dump yesterday

    Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.

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    1. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMHO, you're almost correct: everyone that wants an IPod has one, and the people that don't are less than thrilled about the device, and/or are happy with CD's, don't have $200-$400 in disposable income, etc.

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    2. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by radish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or have a non-apple mp3 player (yes they do exist). I don't have an iPod because I consider them overpriced, lacking essential features, and I hate iTunes. As soon as Apple make a player which can play my CDs without gaps between the tracks (like my $20 discman can) I'll buy one. Until then, I'm sticking with Rio.

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    3. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by vertinox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.

      Well I think that was the point to sell iPods to everyone possible... It's like how Nintendo, MS, and Sony sell all their gaming consoles at a loss and make their money from games. That is what Apple seems to intend to do with iTunes (even though the iPods are kind of overpriced).

      If they were to loose the lock out of being the only ones able to sell music that plays on the iPods then it's like if Nintendo had third party companies like Sony to make games for the Game Cube without a license (ala Tecmo's version of Tetris for the NES in the 80s) and they wouldn't be very tolerant of that.

      That and iPods were intended to introduce people to the Mac hardware line. Once people found that they loved iPods they started looking at Mini's and then started looking for everything from Apple. Perhaps Apple will be the next Microsoft in 5 years? That's only speculation....

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    4. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by White+Roses · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No, Apple's stock took a dump because, historically, if Apple posts a profit, it takes a dump. Don't ask me why. It happens almost every time.

      And while it will be tough to find new people to sell to, that's not the only factor. Everybody also has a car. And yet, man, look at all the cars that get bought every single day. Everybody also has a computer, and a TV. So how the hell are those computer and TV makers staying in business? It's not a problem. It's a fact of the market. There may be less growth in iPods in years to come, but Apple will still sell plenty.

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    5. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by sheemwaza · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.

      Not when you sell a product that expires. Non replaceable batteries that expire every 18-36 months means people have to buy new ones. Also, there are constant feature upgrades -- even if they are only stylistic. I have an older iPod, and I can't wait for the battery to die so I can justify getting a new one with that awesome jog wheel... [drool]
      Similarly, the auto industry seems to be doing just fine.

    6. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lot of people get really caught up in the US-centric view of the world. Until very recently, iPods were not readily available in many markets in Europe. They are now. Sales went up 40% in Europe.

      There are new markets left to tap, and new generations of the product that will offer compelling reasons to upgrade. The availability of iPods in the retail channel is amazing. People know what an iPod is.

      If 10% of the people that bought an iPod buy a Mac in the future, that is a huge impact on apple! The "cult of the ipod" makes me think they will do better than 10% with the conversions...

      But, only a fool expects 100% growth to be able to continue for several consecutive years! It is better to have a company that has steady growth over a decade rather than a "one-hit wonder." Apple is showing that their big hit is being converted to a long-term revenue stream.

    7. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by tm2b · · Score: 2, Interesting
      As soon as Apple make a player which can play my CDs without gaps between the tracks (like my $20 discman can) I'll buy one.
      iTunes->Advanced->Join CD Tracks

      You're welcome, enjoy your new iPod.
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    8. Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple by radish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great. Now how do I skip to track 5? Oops.

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  18. Jupiter Research?? by Wes+Janson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is anyone else suddenly feeling the overwhelming urge to chamber a round into their shotgun? Is this the same Jupiter that is hell-bent on screwing over the internet with spyware and adware? If so, how on god's green earth is it that we're taking their "research" seriously?

  19. It's over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The iPod craze is officially over, because Jupiter Research said it is about to explode. Thanks, Jupiter! Thanks a lot!

    These are guys who hyped "New Economy" companies until the dot-com bubble burst. With their razor scooters and their afros, they literally destroyed billions of dollars in market capitalization. There is no Earthly trend so massive, no business plan so potent, that Jupiter Research cannot destroy it.

    That's why they are called Jupiter. They are big. They have a lot of destructive gravity. And they are made ENTIRELY of gas.

  20. What MP3 market? by mrRay720 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do tell o' wise one, where may I see this promised land of the MP3 market? All I see are DRMed AACs, WMAs, RMs, whatever...

    I'd be a very happy person if there was a legal MP3 market, but alas the title is misleading.

  21. "Mix, Burn, Rip" by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do tell o' wise one, where may I see this promised land of the MP3 market?

    You make a 74 minute long playlist of DRMed AACs, WMAs, and RMs and save them to an audio CD. Then you click on "Import as MP3". Yeh, you lose a miniscule amount of audio quality that you MAY be able to hear if you listen to it, but when you're walking down the street or sitting on a train with earbuds connected to your MP3 player... you'll never notice it.

  22. Further indicators by amichalo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Using the Casette Tape and Compact Disc as previous examples, let's look at other indicators:

    - In car support for the media (3rd party manufacturers like Alpine are supporting iPod as well as luxury brands like BMW. GM is supporting all DAP's by making a front panel line in standard)

    - In home support for the media (Apple Airport Express allows for music streaming)

    - Portable support (just like the Walkman, we have the iPod)

    - As seen on TV (plenty of Movies and TV shows with characters using the devices like a recent Law & Order that opened with two teens discussing how many songs can fit on an iPod)

    - Major industry backing (from Microsoft to HP to Virgin Records, Digital Audio is supported by the Fortune 500 globally)

    - Small business using the format in their name (don't we all miss "Tower Records" records? Or "CD Warehouse"? I am sure there are plenty of Web properties with iPod in the name. "iPodlounge.com" comes to mind.

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  23. Re:No thanks for me.... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2, Informative

    What are you talking about?

    Apple's iPod has been able to play/hold non-compressed non lossy songs since day 1.

    Take your $20 discman and throw it into the trash
    Take your rack of CDs and import them as WAV, or if you want, lossless compressed ALE, into iTunes
    Plug in an iPod and you have your 'rack of CDs' in the palm of your hand.

  24. Re:No thanks for me.... by jotok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good to see someone else concerned with this. If you buy an entire album off iTunes it will still cost you around the same as buying the album from Best Buy...except that the sound quality will be absolute shite. It's hard to tell on my crappy comp speakers, but on my home or car stereo it's painfully obvious.

    I'd be more willing to buy MP3s if the cost reflected the audio quality.

  25. ... keep on failing to learn from it. by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry.

    Yep, these are the guys who proclaimed that "home taping is killing music" back in the 1980, and killed off DAT in the 1990s. The MPAA cried bloody murder when VHS hit the market, but amazingly the global film industry is still quite robust.

    What really cracks me up is that the RIAA had their heads so far up their asses that they had *no strategy* whatsoever for online music sales until Jobs came along and offered them a way out. Now that they have a path away from stupidity, they're trying to jack prices up again, the same way they did with CDs.

    It's like they're fundamentally unprepared to realize that the landscape is changing and that they can't make the same margins they used to make per song. They have to shift their entire way of doing business, but they're so fat and happy that it's like Jabba the Hut doing the long jump.

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  26. can/will by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    can/will = can but you used the 'will' to somehow make your statement seem stronger than it is. In other words I'm accusing you of trying to mislead. I've run many miles with an iPod and it's spun up the drive many times during those runs. I won't argue with the 'can' but the 'will' is pure BS.

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  27. MP3 Players at Critical Mass by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't people understand that it is dangerous to ride a bicycle while listening to music!?

  28. Re:You have no idea what you are talking about by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every major religion recognizes that there was a man Jesus of Nazareth who lived about 2000 years ago in the land now known as Israel.

    I think you might have a lot of trouble backing this up. Some major religious are not hierarchical and do not have a authoritative figure or body to make such declarations on their behalf. Even in religious organizations that do have such a structure, I doubt anything other than christianity recognizes your fact in the religion itself (which was how your statement was worded).

    Aside from that you make a some good points. Don't be too hard on the original poster for being ignorant about christianity. Most evangelists I have spoken to who are trying to convert me seem to have never even read the bible and don't know what I'm talking about when I mention parts I remember from when I read it long ago.

  29. Competition by ToPAz3in6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They have little competition in their iPod space... so they sell at a premium and can walk away rich.

    If they were to start making accessories, they'd be treding on ground either already successful for other makers (and therefore a smaller market) or an unsafe venture into the unknown.

    Notice they do have a couple accessories... like the iPod Photo's new camera jack. But this is something they hinted at early on (giving other companies the hint: "We're Apple, With us making this product first, you won't stand a chance"), and now they have no competition for it.

    Despite appearing to be a trend setter and a risk taker... they really do play it as safe as possible. iTMS was made only after years of research and watching the market... AND having a successful product to go with it. The iPod itself was just a luxury novelty item when it first came out... and Apple didn't care less if it didn't sell millions. Apple focused on what got it attention. OS X got it plenty of attention in those early iPod years. The G4 Cube was a publicity stunt. And if the iPod died just as hard as the Cube... they'd let it go and focus where they knew they could profit. They were one quarter the company they are now... and played their cards close to their chest... saving aces only for the Perfect moment... and spending tons on market research to make SURE.

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  30. Re:WE GET THAT, OKAY? by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree with the grandparent post. "RIAA" is not a valid shorthand for "The Record Companies."

    First of all, the RIAA is an organization which includes labels, artists, engineers, and many others who are connected in one way or another to the recording industry. That little set of preamp-adjusted ports in your dad's stereo that he plugs his turntable into? That is an example of an RIAA standard.

    Secondly, the labels have been using "RIAA" as the plaintiff in several unpopular lawsuits for the specific purpose of getting people like you to think "damn RIAA" instead of "damn Sony, RCA, Virgin" when you get upset about your rights being trampled on. That way, folks keep buying their products like good little sheep without realizing who they should really be upset with. When you use "RIAA" as a "shorthand" for the real bad guys, you are helping their cause.

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  31. Re:WE GET THAT, OKAY? by Golias · · Score: 2, Informative

    I do understand, and I'm not responsible to fix anything to your satisfaction.

    Actually, you just made it abundantly clear that you don't understand.

    The RIAA is not a record label "cartel" at all. It's a trade guild, just as the anonymous coward who kicked this whole debate off pointed out, and "anti-piracy" activity, both legitimate and bullshit, is a very very small part of what they do.

    In any case, the RIAA has nothing whatsoever to do with the dispute between Apple Computer and the labels in question.

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  32. How about "learn from the grocery"? by abb3w · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry.

    Errr.... no. In many industries, having a range of prices, especially that vary with time, allows not only for greater profits, but for larger numbers of satisfied customers. The math is a bit more involuted than a simple supply/demand scissors curve, because you also have to factor in substitutibility, price elasticity, and information costs, and time value of money, but in many situations this allows for a good thing all around.

    This is one reason why grocery stores have sales; people who would not ordinarily buy a product at price X will consider buying it at price 0.9X. Furthermore, it's one reason why grocery stores accept manufacturers coupons; the customer gets a lower price, the grocery store gets slightly more money (for slightly more hassle), and the increased sales (and potentially increased regular customers) result in net higher profits for the manufacturer.

    In this case, the RIAA is wishing that they could run the backcatalog at a discount, while charging a premium for newest releases. And if they were willing to, say, knock $0.24 off their current $0.65 share of the price for releases over 10 years old, while adding $0.01 to the recent releases and $0.25 to items released within the last year, I'd consider it likely to be a net benefit for consumers overall.

    Someone with more background in economics and without a head cold might explain it better, but it comes down to: the ability for suppliers to have prices that vary is a good thing for the consumer. Unnaturally fixed prices (such as, say, when fixed by a cartel) are bad.

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    1. Re:How about "learn from the grocery"? by JohnsonWax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Errr.... no. In many industries, having a range of prices, especially that vary with time, allows not only for greater profits, but for larger numbers of satisfied customers. The math is a bit more involuted than a simple supply/demand scissors curve, because you also have to factor in substitutibility, price elasticity, and information costs, and time value of money, but in many situations this allows for a good thing all around.

      Sure, but Apple and Steve also realize when it's time to change strategy, and it's not clear that they're being unneccessarily stubborn on this.

      In it's infancy, you don't want a service to be overly complicated to scare off potential users. Once that critical mass takes hold and the service begins to displace others, it can then afford to offer more choices.

      Apple in its rebuilding phases under Steve has always been about simplification - 4 product lines, Mac-only, what have you. Once those reach a given point, you expand and differentiate.

      I can't imagine that the $.99 only policy is a forever deal with Apple, but consider when this started, the up-front costs of buliding the iTMS, aiming for 1M songs in the library, with NO customers, nor a sense of what could realistically be expected looked like a huge money sink for Apple. So it was kept as simple as possible - one format, one bitrate, one pricing model, no pay-for-play, take it or leave it. It minimizes Apple's expense exposure and keeps the system from being overwhelming to customers.

      Roll ahead a few years to when iTMS is pushing 100M songs every other month (right about now) and you have a situation where enough revenue is coming through to support variable pricing, volume discount, frequent buyer programs, or whatever.

      Of course, the labels aren't going to report if Apple is planning these things, they want to jack prices up to $1.49 per song for the hot singles and recover Apple's $.09 in the process. After all, Apple's already spent the money to create the market which they don't need to reinvest.

      So I don't buy for a minute that Apple isn't planning for that day that songs are variably priced, but I think the labels are downplaying the challenges of offering $0.49 singles and still having enough money left over to cover the transaction costs. Of course, for old songs, they're not paying the artists any more, so they *could* lower their price to Apple, but I doubt they'll volunteer that.

  33. Want audiobooks in MP3 CD format by Krellan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As far as MP3 hitting critical mass goes, isn't it already there?

    Doesn't everybody already have some kind of hardware or software these days that can play the MP3 format?

    What I want to see is audiobooks sold in MP3 CD format. Currently, audiobooks take a huge number of tapes (or conventional CD's) to hold audio, and because it's spoken word, it would compress very easily while still remaining high quality.

    I've converted the Harry Potter books to MP3 CD's, and they sound great. The first two books even fit together on a single CD! All this was from a large stack of grossly inefficient standard audio CD's. No need to store spoken word at 44100x16x2 uncompressed!

    I'm hoping the makers of audiobooks will realize that MP3 has already hit critical mass for years now....

  34. Re:You have no idea what you are talking about by Dony · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think it is unfair to mod this as "offtopic." After all, we are talking about Apple. And Apple, much like Christianity, was founded by a messianic, charismatic figure who could perform wondrous miracles, such as turn water into wine or OS 9 into OSX. Is the Sermon on the Mount not unlike a MacWorld keynote? Did Steve not suffer for our sins at the hands of the prefect Sculley? Did he not wander in the wilderness before retuning to us with the UNIX keys to our salvation?
    "Steve, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall buy a maxed-out 17 inch PowerBook and a top-of-the-line iPod."

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  35. The RIAA really wants price flexibility? by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In this case, the RIAA is wishing that they could run the backcatalog at a discount, while charging a premium for newest releases.

    When has the music industry *EVER* done this? When have they ever discussed doing it for online music? These guys have shown over and over again that they are interested in standardized pricing for music, punctuated only by *more expensive* pricing on certain high-demand albums.

    If their track record wasn't so horrendous, I'd believe that they are truly interested in coming up with flexible pricing. But they've shown us nothing to indicate that they're really serious about doing anything other than holding on to their doomed business model for as long as possible.

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