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Star Wars: Revelations Available Online

Lemming Mark writes "Panic Struck Productions have just released their first Star Wars movie, 'Revelations.' The movie has been produced on a not-for profit basis by a team of volunteers and is available for free download. Despite its humble origins, the production appears extraordinarily professional. The film is over 40 minutes long, complete with space battles and lightsaber fights -- need I say more? See more details at the official site, or jump straight to the download mirrors." (As promised last month.)

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  1. Torrents by maotx · · Score: 5, Informative

    jump straight to the download mirrors

    Or better yet, jump straight to the torrents. I'm getting ~500KB on both of them. I'd probably get more but my cap is set at 4mb/sec.

    Quicktime
    http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/revelations/revelat ions_film_QT_large.mov.torrent

    Windows Media Player
    http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/revelations/revelat ions_film_large.wmv.torrent

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    1. Re:Torrents by Hanji · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, I'll be, we actually slashdotted the torrents. I'm having trouble getting to them. Anyone got a torrent for the .torrent? :-p

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    2. Re:Torrents by bencvt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or better yet, just post the torrent itself as a comment here on /., MIME-encoded. (Good luck getting around the lameness filter, though...)

    3. Re:Torrents by BlacBaron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here... Coral Cache QuickTime didn't get the other one in time

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    4. Re:Torrents by maotx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try this: briefcase.yahoo.com/startrekrevtorrent
      I only had the .mov torrent left. Seeing how this is hosted on Yahoo! Briefcase, perhaps someone could mirror it on their site?

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    5. Re:Torrents by BlacBaron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah, obtained the other one... Coral Cache of WMV or my site ... Coral Cache of WMV

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    6. Re:Torrents by maotx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, fine then.
      I received ~500KBps, KiloBytes per second, or around 4000kbps, kilobits per second.
      It took me about 5 minutes to download it. Check your firewall to make sure ports 6881 to 6889 are directed to your computer to improve your speeds.
      Also, may I direct you to http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html#firewall if you're still having problems.

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    7. Re:Torrents by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 3, Funny

      >> Anyway, I'll have the full movie in about 28 hours. BT sucks.

      So ask for your money back. What's that? It's free? You didn't pay anything?

      Gee, perhaps what you meant to say was "thanks".

    8. Re:Torrents by goneutt · · Score: 3, Funny

      /. may have just figured out for RIAA and MPAA how to stop torrents.... DNS

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    9. Re:Torrents by VoidWraith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mine's only going at 25! BT suxxors!

    10. Re:Torrents by SirCyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long have you let it run? BT can be very slow to start, especially with the full force of a slashdotting.

      Do you have the port(s) open? Many people do not, so the two of you can't connect.

      To clear up a few misconections:
      1. BT does not need any ports open, but it speeds things considerably. I went from 6KBps to 380KBps by opening 1 port.
      2. Torrent files can be mirrored. There are links to the Corel mirrors, which everyone should be using for full effectiveness.
      BT does connect to a centra tracking server, but the communication is minimal. Most tracking servers are on sufficient connections to handle just about anything.
      3. BT takes time to connect with other. You are connecting to many people, and those connections take time to establish. Be patience and thankful someone took the time to provide you with something free.
      4. BT is capable of extremely high speeds. You will probably run in to limitations in Internet Connection, Local Network, Hard Disk, Processor, and PCI bus limitations before the software limits you (most likely in that order).
      5. BT is bad in ______ way (fill in the blank). Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to point out a deficiency in something you paid nothing for. Please try fixing the problem, rather than complaining about it next time.

    11. Re:Torrents by baadger · · Score: 2

      His BT internet connection isn't free.

    12. Re:Torrents by Jononon · · Score: 2

      +5 Funny ? -5 Asinine might be closer. Unless the £240 BT charges per year for a decent b/band connection is a figment of everyone's imagination.

  2. Oh slashdot, so fast by GlassUser · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know it's sad when you kill the list of mirrors, before a single comment.

  3. Torrents: by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Torrents: by gad_zuki! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Torrents down. Never, ever run your tracker on the same server as your full download mirror.

    2. Re:Torrents: by halivar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps the answer is to start running torrents of the torrents?

      Fa-la!

  4. Subtitles? by jaxdahl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are there any subtitles for this, or is anyone willing to make them for a deaf person like me? Subtitle Workshop

    1. Re:Subtitles? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Are there any subtitles for this, or is anyone willing to make them for a deaf person like me? Subtitle Workshop"

      Is there a such thing as an .AVI (well any playback medium, really...) with subtitles?

      The directors cuts of the Star Trek movies have a subtitle commentary from Michael Okuda, an artist for the various versions of the franchise, who talked about some of the interesting little things that went into the making of the movie. I'd like to see Revelations with a commentary describing how they did some of the stuff.

      So why do I want movie playback with the ability to select captions? Well, thing is, I think the poster I'm replying to has a bigger need for the subtitles than I do. Since with an AVI, to the best of my knowledge, you'd need to make the captions part of the footage, it would mean making several different versions of the video. But if there was a playback mechanism that supported multiple tracks like DVDs do, then we'd both be happy.

      Come to think of it, it'd be pretty darned handy for indie film developers to have a DVD-esque playback package. Anything like that today?

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    2. Re:Subtitles? by jaxdahl · · Score: 4, Informative

      If anyone were to make subtitles for this, it'd be best to make them in .srt format -- supported by many media players such as BSPlayer. It's also easily convertible to subtitle tracks for inclusion on a DVD.

    3. Re:Subtitles? by KaptNKrunchy · · Score: 2, Informative
      ".AVI with subtitles"

      Not unheard of, but an .mkv (www.matroska.org) file might be a bit more suitable for the job.

    4. Re:Subtitles? by jaxdahl · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, they're standalone files. Windows Media Player supports the SAMI format natively -- subtitle workshop can convert among the various formats easily.

    5. Re:Subtitles? by rale,+the · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are a number of formats that support both multiple audio and subtitle streams in the same file. The most popular two would be ogm and mkv.

    6. Re:Subtitles? by willmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, i don't believe you can embed subtitles into normal playable formats right now. What happens is you make an srt file of the same name as the avi/whatever and then use BSplayer or whatever to play the subtitles, picking up on the name

    7. Re:Subtitles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't need subtitles since my ears work so I haven't actually used them. During the lightsaber scenes, do they have text that pops up saying "vrrooaaaooow! KSSSHTTTT! VVVVVVOOOOO!"?

    8. Re:Subtitles? by Sinvat · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm posting the dialog for use in subtitling. The made-up languages are quite difficult to understand at times.

      http://www.incompetech.com/swtext.txt

    9. Re:Subtitles? by forkazoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      quote: Is there a such thing as an .AVI (well any playback medium, really...) with subtitles?

      Absolutely. I believe QuickTime supports subtitles and multiple audio tracks. I absolutely know that ogg supports them, because i have downloaded ogg's "From The Wild," which I could watch in Japanese, Japanese with English subs, or in English Dub (with or without subs). I didn't need to deal with an external subtitles file, it was right there in the ogg, all I had to do was select which track I wanted.

      So, there, ogg ain't just for tree huggers and long hairs. Amazingly enough, it is sufficiently developed to be 100% useful, and "just work." It surprised me, too!

  5. Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    Except for the acting. :(

    1. Re:Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, are you saying that episodes 1 and 2 weren't professional?

    2. Re:Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 4, Funny

      Were you talking about the fan film or the original Star Wars?

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    3. Re:Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by General+Alcazar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, actually. Consumer grade fluorescents are extremely variable in color temperature, thus making them useless for filmmaking. When using fluorescents, you must purchase expensive fluorescents designed for photography which have a very consistent color temperature. I know a DP who did a shoot in a supermarket, and they had to replace ALL of the fluorescents in the store with expensive pro stuff. Now we know why filmmaking budgets are so astronomical!

    4. Re:Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by uss_valiant · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Except for the acting. :(
      The CGI looks amazingly good and pretty much everything else seems quite professional too. The acting is probably on par with Hayden Christensen in Episode 2, i.e. mostly not very pleasing.

      But I wouldn't only blame the actors, so many extraordinarily good actors played quite bad in the Star Wars movies. Go figure...

      Disclaimer: I've never said that Hayden Christensen is a good actor!! :)
    5. Re:Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its not just the acting - its the look of the characters as well. It seems like a bunch of goth chicks just got together and decided to make a movie. They need to work on their hair/makeup so it doesnt seem as much like Star Wars versus Dracula.

    6. Re:Agreed, Extraordinarily professional... by dubious9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously. If you are going to put that much work into it, why not get some drama students? Or hire an acting coach? The CGI stuff and space scenes were fabulous, as were the set designs.

      However, the Jedi instill no sence of being Jedi. The dialog is inane and the acting terrible. And not to be sexist or anything but the men handle the light saber much better than the women. Will fan fiction please notice that if you're not good with one light saber don't try to use more than one. The most powerful Jedi only used one. Obi-wan, Luke, Vader, Yoda: one saber. There's a reason for that.

      Also, the story isn't that great. There is *much* better fan fiction out there. I know they really couldn't do too much in the time span that they had, but there is better stuff out there.

      In conclusion: The space visuals and ship design are professional. The scene backdrops and explosions were very good. Costumes were ok to amaturish. Casting, acting, and blocking was amature.

      Master Yoda says, "Unused their potential was. Great the movie could have been. But great they were not. Not like Jedi the Jedi were."

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  6. Lil SW Joke by ikkibr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obi-Wan and Luke were both very hungry after their long speeder trip to that wretched hive of scum and villiany, Mos Eisley. They settled themselves in a cantina and ordered a big dinner of noodles, rice, sweet and sour dewback, and other oriental style goodies.
    The food soon arrived and they set to. Obi-Wan handled his chopsticks deftly, quickly and securely picking up a noodle here, a prawn ball there. He soon sat back satisfied, and let out a quiet burp.
    Luke, on the other hand, was in a right state. He just couldn't get the hang of the sticks, and had dropped far more food on the table and down his front than he had managed to get into his mouth. He sat, surrounded by rice and noodle debris, still as hungry as when he started.
    Seeing his pupil in such distress, the Jedi Master leant over to dispense some of the wisdom of his years.
    Use the forks, Luke he whispered, Use the forks.

    1. Re:Lil SW Joke by dweezil-n0xad · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's Christmas time, Vader & Palpatine sit by a open fire.

      Palpatine: i see young Skywalker has got you a few presents there under the christmas tree.
      Vader: Yes my master.
      Palpatine: I bet your wondering what the young Skywalker has got you?
      Vader: No my master, i know what he has got me, i felt his presents

    2. Re:Lil SW Joke by Devalia · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now Im starting to think the Moderation of "Funny" is to broad :)

    3. Re:Lil SW Joke by Jonny_eh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Suggested new options:
      Funny - Ironic
      Funny - Sarcastic
      Funny - Traditional Joke
      Funny - Unintentional

      Feel free to add your own!

    4. Re:Lil SW Joke by BTWR · · Score: 4, Funny
      I made "Funny" comments lost 4 points. Seriously, it has made reading comments on Slashdot (the best part of the site: much more fun than the articles/stories themselves) much better. Since I read comments only 1 and up, all the +2,+3,+4 "funny" comments are gone, and I get an occational "+5, Funny" comment modded down to a 1.

      When I moderate, I read at -1, and I do see a couple statements that are truly funny (and occationally mod those up), but seriously, SO many comments were labeled "funny" that I just couldn't take it anymore.

  7. 40 minute movie posted on slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am sure the internet shall sense a disturbance in the force....

  8. Question by bman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone have a torrent of the torrents?

  9. Re:Wait ... by Vengeance_au · · Score: 3, Funny

    Star Wars Kid got a girlfriend?

  10. Working torrent link! by XanC · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was able to grab the large WMV version.

    Clicky

  11. Professional? Pshaw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who needs to watch something professional anything when you can have the story of two Pizza Delivery Jedi and a fonzie-looking Yoda?

  12. Re:Wait ... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Star Wars Kid got a girlfriend?"

    Heh. Imagine the pain that'd cause most of the Slashdot community.

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  13. I dunno by m00nun1t · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last amateur star wars film I saw with light saber fighting in it wasn't so good...

    1. Re:I dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean 'Attack Of The Clones'?

    2. Re:I dunno by DiveX · · Score: 2, Funny

      Speaking of which, whatever happened to Ghyslain? Last I heard the parents were going to sue someone, the kid was being laughed out of all the different schools he attended, etc. It was the best me-me this side of "All Your Base".

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    3. Re:I dunno by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Last I heard he was being given a cameo in Episode 3.

      Of course, we'll have to see if Episode 3 is a step up for him...

  14. and after watching it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    milions of souls cry out as their lives were being extinguished.

  15. Re:what about acting?? by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't get me wrong, the production looks professional, but the acting leads something to be desired.

    Hrmm... try this: go watch Episodes I & II first, come back, watch it again, and see if you feel better about it.

  16. Without being able to view it yet... by CaptainPotato · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I don't understand why people are complaining about the quality of the acting - after all, I thought that there were many complaints about the acting in the official films?

    This is, of course, unless the acting in this make Jar Jar Binks look like a classically-trained Shakespearean actor...

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  17. revelation: by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Darth Vader discovers that he's really not for profit, changes his name to Gnu/Vader, and establishes the PanGallactic cult of RMS.

    1. Re:revelation: by spongman · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I find your lack of source disturbing..."

  18. Jar Jar Binks by CSMastermind · · Score: 2, Funny

    See subject.

  19. After by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 2, Funny

    After seeing the poster they did up for it, who cares what the actings' like? Those two women are hot, that third one in the upper-left...not so much.
    http://www.panicstruckpro.com/revelations/images/R EVELATIONS_OFFICIAL_POSTER.jpg

    1. Re:After by CSMastermind · · Score: 4, Funny

      Agreed :-). The third one is meant to be that villian so they proablly cast an ugly worman for it knowing that we hate ugly women. Well some of us...I don't think she looks to bad personally..........

  20. Re:Why not post the contents of the .torrent file? by Rupan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a reason why hex dumps are not used to transmit binary data as ASCII. For starters, there is no integrity check -- how can you be sure that the file you copied is the same file posted? Second, this method does not provide compression or a way of making the encoded file smaller. Third ... this method will also succomb to the Slashcode effect -- corruption is almost a certainty. There are many more reason... I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.

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  21. Now that I have watched it... by fsck! · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have to reconsider my stance on keeping BitTorrent legal.

  22. Bittorrent by I+kan+Spl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's interesting to see bittorrent working on such a large scale type of thing. Notice that the webserver hosting the .torrent files have gone down, and as of now 1338 (darn it I'm # 1338) people are downloading it sucessfully. While it is true that it is going to take me 2 hours to get it all, I remember the days of old 56k modems when a 200mb download would take 2 days, so this is fast enough for me.

    For those of you going slower then about 30K down, make sure you have holes poked in your firewalls.

    Also, for the rest of us, leave the thing running for a while after you finish getting it please, it 's sad to see the number of seeders drop as quickly as they are....

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  23. Screw fan-made Star Wars movies by realmolo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The acting is terrible. The plot always centers around a couple of dorky Jedis. Because even the fattest nerd can fit into the robes.

    The effects are always good, but haven't we learned by now that the effects are not what makes for good Star Wars movies? It's the characters. Specifically, it's Han Solo.

    Without someone as cool as Han Solo, Star Wars is just lame. The new movies lack anyone to fill that role, and so do all the fan films. The ultra-serious Jedi are fucking boring.

    1. Re:Screw fan-made Star Wars movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That a coordinated effort by a group of nerds who spent considerable time and money on this astounds me and I applaud this. But really, the acting made me feel badly for them. There are a lot of wonderful actors out there who 1. have the look (ie. are totally hot), 2. can act 3. are not working currently on a union job. Get them

  24. Jedis & Chopsticks by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

    See, that's the difference in teaching styles between Obi Wan and Pei Mei. Plus Pei Mei has the cooler beard.

  25. Re:what about acting?? by Durandal64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The special effects were good, that's for sure. But honestly, this production needs light as badly as Doom 3. I actually used QuickTime's brightness and contrast controls on it.

    And another thing. What's with people and using Sorenson 3? This is the fucking year 2005. Use XviD, 3ivx or at the very least DivX for crying out loud. All are viable options on QuickTime. And whose brilliant idea was it to encode with the black bars?

  26. Well, here's my take... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The acting, yes, is not the best however is on par with most of anikin/amidala from Ep1/Ep2. I thought Liam Neeson in Ep1 really brought it out there and Ewan McGregor was great support for Neeson but in Ep2 there was.. nothing.

    Anyways, the lightsaber scene between the two chicks was horribly choreographed, why would a jedi whip out a second light saber only to swing them both in unison? I thought the one male jedis fight was pretty good, but it seemed like the only one, and it was too short.

    These jedi seemed to have a lot of emotions including love between jedi? Did these guys who wrote this thing ever watch any of the movies at all? The only sane guy out of the "good" crew was the one who wasn't a jedi. Being a jedi, wouldn't the two be able to sense the general alignment of the other? The whole trust fight at the beginning is odd. If my sister, who was a seer jedi, knew another jedi and trusted him, why would I, also being a jedi, not trust him, especially if I could just sense his feelings? It makes no sense. Plot = swiss cheese.

    Could have been better, had potential, blew it.

  27. Please for the love of god by TheHonestTruth · · Score: 2, Funny
    Keep the dorks BEHIND the camera. The effects are great for fan fic. The acting is worse than a high school production. I too am a nerd, but damn, the acting is HORRID. Please, dear MIT students, just make the characters CG. They'll be more endearing.

    -truth

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  28. REVIEW! by ilyaaohell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since everybody else is talking about problems downloading it, let me be one of the first (I think) to write some kind of a review of the movie itself:

    The special effects are more than impressive. The CG modeling is on a professional level. This is particularly obvious in the space battle -- dozens of finely detailed starships flying around in considerably more elaborate flight paths than I've seen in any fan film yet. The camera tracks and follows the ships in a nice theatrical manner rather than 1990s-style videogame CG. Earlier, there is also a very impressive fly-through of a large, futuristic city with nearly as much detail as was seen in the Fifth Element. A sequence seen later on of a spaceship flying towards and landing on a planet is on par with the non-character CGI of the Final Fantasy movie.

    The most strikingly impressive special effects come in the form of blue screen. There seems to be extensive use of real-life sets (which are on par with most television productions), and the camera moves around quite freely (sometimes it's hand-held). The CG effects in the blue screen windows, as well as other little additions (holograms, neon signs on walls, etc) follow the camera movements extremely well. This in itself makes this superior to every other special effects-driven fan film I've ever seen.

    The storyline, as with most fan films, is entirely irrelevant (unless you pay attention to storylines in videogames, of course). The whole point of the story here is to move the characters from one cool location to another (night club, ancient Jedi temple, etc), have them meet up and give them a reason to fight each other. The film heavily borrows elements from movies like "Unbreakable" and recycles plenty of scenes and dialogue from existing Star Wars films, as is common practice among most fan films. Other than that, it feels like a storyline from a Star Wars videogame, only shorter.

    The acting is obviously not going to be that good, and the creaters once again continue the fine tradition of fan film casting by employing chubby, goatee-sporting geeks and goth girls to stand around and attempt to recite the cheesy lines given to them, though some try harder than most to sound convincing.

    The lighting is also very nicely done, matching the CG and real-world sets quite well. On a greyish-yellow planet (all CG), for instance, the characters do not stick out like sore thumbs and generally blend in quite well with their surroundings.

    Light saber battles are not the best. If you want to see how real light saber fights should be done in a fan film, watch "Art of the Saber", whose choerography and combatant skills match those in The Phantom Menace.

    Overall, I'd say that this film is an extremely fine technical achievement. The production design has a very expensive look to it. The ending credits are downright HUGE. This is a fine achievement, and shows exactly what big budget fan films can accomplish. Copyright issues and the whole Star Wars labeling apart, this looks like something that could easily have come from a production company that works for the Sci-Fi Channel. It may not be as impressive compared to the real Star Wars, but it is definitely not any worse than, at the very least, cable television production.

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  29. Judging From What I Saw... by LithiumX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First off, I only watched the first 15 or so minutes (it was late), so this is a point of view based on it's opening. However, what I saw will probably carry through for the entire thing, considering how basic the issues are. First, the special effects. This is a low-budget "home-brew" movie. I'm not going to demand an ILM quality production. It was fairly decent - on a par with many B movies that recieved far better funding (and full time work). Filming Techniques... these leave something to be desired. The camera shots don't look very well planned out, and are by no means dramatic. Not terrible (the camera's not in anyone's face), but between the lighting and the uninspiring shot angles, it's nothing to brag about. Many no-budget independant films with nothing else to show for, do better than this. Writing... ungh. While a lot of movies get by with poor writing by having high production values and a lot of glitz to distract you from the lines, when you're on a shoestring budget you can't hide a lack of a good script. Acting. This is my main gripe. It was bad. I've seen worse on direct-to-video, but I know non-actor friends who can do better than this. And people who say "watch the originals, are they better" are just looking for something to gripe about - there is no comparison. This is like watching someone's live-action rpg played out on a screen. The actors don't really seem to be into their roles, and are doing more posturing and pronouncing than conveying their characters. The glory of net-distributed films is that it allows people with no budget, no particular skill, and no training to put their heart and soul into a production that concentrates on attributes that have no price - imagination, intensity, and good writing. This didn't have any of these things. I'm sure this was a labor of love... and the sheer fact that they finished it is an accomplishment. The sheer fact that they got this many people interested is an even greater accomplishment. The end product, however, is not.

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  30. Re:How is this legal? by PortHaven · · Score: 2, Informative

    They allow for it so long as it is non-profit...

    Although, I hear this one was looked at and watched very carefully....