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Apple Updates Pro Media Apps

macguys writes "Apple Computer has released updates to its media Pro applications. Among the new software released are upgrades to Final Cut Pro, Soundtrack (now called Soundtrack Pro), DVD Studio Pro, Motion and Shake. A bundle of all the new applications (except Shake) is available under the name Final Cut Studio."

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  1. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by theWrkncacnter · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So go somewhere else, quit whining, or submit your own stories.

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  2. Looks like these apps will need a lot of Power by amichalo · · Score: 5, Informative

    That was a capital P "Power" - as in Power Mac.

    Last year at the NAB, Apple followed the Sunday softweare intors with Monday hardware intros. Let's all hope Think Secret is right.

    They are predicting Dual G5 configurations from 2.0 to 2.7 GHz in the Power Macs and iMacs from 1.8 to 2Ghz.

    They go on to predict Super Drives replaced with Dual layer support, better graphics cards in the iMacs, 512MB RAM standard on all models (as well as Tiger/iLife)

    What they do not know is if Apple with drop the dual core bomb, giving us four cores in a Dual processor Power Mac.

    Quite frankly, with Tiger and Final Cut Studio, the 17" Power Book will continue to hodl the top spot for Professional editing on the go.

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    1. Re:Looks like these apps will need a lot of Power by lastninja · · Score: 1

      Supposedly the PowerPC 970 MP (Dual-core) comes with 1M L2 cache. The system Think Secret describes only have 512K L2, which means that it is the old single core version.

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    2. Re:Looks like these apps will need a lot of Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Assuming that anybody who actually knows is even talking to Think Secret anymore. Now that it has been established that they can not protect NDA-violating sources, I imagine the well is likely to dry up pretty fast.

  3. They're All Updated by The+Lost+Supertone · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uhh, It's now Final Cut Pro 5, not Pro HD (4), DVD Studio Pro 4, not 3. Soundtrack Pro (previously only sound track, I think that's now relegated to Final Cut Express), and Motion 2. These are MAJOR apps, and there are lots of people who they matter to. Complaining this gets mentioned on Slashdot along with "Random thing dealing with Robots or Google" is hardly mature. You're getting mad that Slashdot is reporting on the release of Apple's flag ship OS and flag ship video editing apps, just wait till Slashdot reports that Apple soon will be updating their flag ship pro desktops!

    1. Re:They're All Updated by CptChipJew · · Score: 1

      Soundtrack was originally packaged as part of Final Cut Pro, and wasn't for sale as standalone.

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    2. Re:They're All Updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. Not to mention by megabyte405 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    that Apple acknowledged the Tiger release and puts availability on April 29 on their home page, which I haven't seen as an article yet, but would probably also be newsworthy, considering the number of speculation articles and posts I saw.

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    1. Re:Not to mention by geoffspear · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And the fact that you didn't see the article about it that was here should interest anyone else because...?

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    2. Re:Not to mention by megabyte405 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oops. Boy, do I feel out of it... I missed that article, I now see that was announced on the 12th according to apple.com. Sorry, I really thought it hadn't hit /. yet.

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  5. XGrid? by Rauser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems to me that some of these apps could really take advantage of XGrid, especially since it appears that they are only going to work with OS X 10.4. Can anyone confirm whether XGrid capability is present in any of these apps?

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    1. Re:XGrid? by Suburbanpride · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It wouldn't suprise me, although I don't have any info on it.

      Apple's Logic Pro audio suite released a few months ago has the ability to offload audio rendering tasks to other g5's on the same network. A very cool technology that makes a lot of sense to use in pro video enviroments where it is likely that there a dozens of other workstations on the network.

      Info on distributed audio processing here.

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    2. Re:XGrid? by Rauser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ahhh, I should have RTFA... It does appear the DVD Studio Pro has XGrid-like capability built in, with the ability to farm out rendering and conversion jobs to other Macs on the network. I'm sure that this is gonna give XServe sales a big boost...

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    3. Re:XGrid? by PinkX · · Score: 1

      Shake already has that (at least 3.5), it comes with a peace of software called 'Qmaster' which allows to set up a small renderfarm out of your OS X machines for Shake jobs, it also supports Maya and Adobe After Effects, and is fully scriptable so any kind of command line utility can be built into it to dispatch render jobs in the network.

    4. Re:XGrid? by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Informative
      to other g5's on the same network

      Actually, to any machine. I use my iBook G4 and squeeze a little more processing power out.

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    5. Re:XGrid? by aftk2 · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not quite the same, but DVD Studio Pro 4 can distribute encoding over a network. Check it out. I imagine that'll come in handy, because it'll take a long time to work with H.264.

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  6. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A story about Apple announcing a major set of application updates at a major tradeshow on apple.slashdot.org?!? And that doesn't make sense to you?

    Slashdot posts stories whenever Steve Jobs, Linus Torvalds, Woz, RMS, or Bill Gates sneezes. This is by design. News for Nerds, and all.

    What's Ubuntu's next animal release name? What's the latest on the BitKeeper saga? Is Tiger showing up early in stores anywhere? When does the next Star Trek series start? Who's the new NASA administrator?

    If a site that purports to be news for nerds, and doesn't cover those topics, *that's* when there's something to complain about.

  7. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, turn off Apple stories! Or don't display them all on your front page! That seems more effective than whining about your "fears".

  8. Re:My Mac Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I applaud your willingness to keep current but you might want to update the "300 mhz"...

  9. Re:My Mac Sucks by b17bmbr · · Score: 3, Informative

    my momma said never respond to anonymous cowards, but here goes: first off, if you're copying a file from one folder to another, on os x (don't know about the darwin part) it is simply linked. if it's copying from a disk image or from a removable drive, it takes a few seconds to copy a 17mb file, and you can do anything in the background. you're simply full of crap to say it takes 20 minutes. now, if it has trouble reading the file, or it is corrupt ot something, that's another story.

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  10. There was an article by useosx · · Score: 1
  11. Re:My Mac Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    my momma said never respond to anonymous cowards,

    Your mom was a smart lady; you should listen to her. This is a pretty old troll, it's just not funny anymore; similar to the '[blank] is dying' or 'in soviet russia...' memes.

    There's a lot funnier trolls they could have made.

  12. Re:My Mac Sucks by ZosX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dude, you just bought the oldest troll in the book!

    You're new here, aren't you?

  13. Re:My Mac Sucks by anamexis · · Score: 1

    If you are trying to post a Slashdot comment with SubEthaEdit, this might explain some of your problems. Generally text editors aren't so hot at navigating the web.

    And how, pray tell, did you post that comment if Safari will not work?

  14. Re:My Mac Sucks by b17bmbr · · Score: 1

    no, not new, just not paying attention, what with all the natalie portmans, soviet russias, goatses, hot grits, dead bsd's and apples, i forgot. sorry. won't happen again. i'll spend the next 2 weeks using windows. no ibook for me. but hey it'll be just in time for tiger. and 3 years from now, it'll be time for longhorn...........maybe.

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  15. Free stuff, too! by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

    This seems like a kind of unusual thing for Apple, but they're also offering a 30-day free trial of Motion 1.0. It's not the new version, but for people that wonder what Motion can do, or bored Slashdorks, it should be interesting.

    Note: it requires a system with a fairly recent video card.

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    1. Re:Free stuff, too! by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

      They did the same with Motion when it came out, and the site says they'll soon be posting a 30-day demo of Motion 2.0.

    2. Re:Free stuff, too! by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

      just make sure your 3d card has the right specs to run it. it wont even install if it doesnt

  16. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need a blowjob and a shot of tequila, you whiny bitch.

    And no that's not an offer.

  17. And Logic Pro, too by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Logic Pro just got bumped to 7.1, with some fixes and a few new features.

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  18. HD-DVD not Blu-Ray? by alanoneil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone else noticed the new "HD-DVD" creation feature of DVD Studio Pro 4? Not a mention of Blu-Ray anywhere. I though Apple was part of the Blu-Ray consortium?

    Author SD or HD DVDs with greater speed, efficiency and flexibility than ever before. Integrated, scalable H.264 encoding allows you to fit HD content on DVDs using existing drives and media. Go from native HDV to HD on DVD with no recompression from Final Cut Pro. Even create HD DVD versions from existing SD DVD projects.
    link
    CUPERTINO, California--March 10, 2005--The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today announced that Apple® will become a member of the consortium's Board of Directors. Apple has been a leader in driving consumer adoption...
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    I smell a strange conflict of interest. Apple's even got the HD-DVD logo (not Blu-Ray!) emblazoned on DVD Studio Pro's page.
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    1. Re:HD-DVD not Blu-Ray? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nowhere in that blurb to they actually specify the "HD-DVD" format. They simply refer to "HD DVDs" as opposed to "SD DVDs." They could well be talking about Blu-Ray, which is, after all, one of the "HD" formats for future DVDs.

    2. Re:HD-DVD not Blu-Ray? by jasenj1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you check the site carefully, you'll see Apple has taken a platform neutral approach. You can produce HD-DVD (i.e. H.264) content and then write it to whichever disc format you choose.

      - Jasen.

    3. Re:HD-DVD not Blu-Ray? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both support h.264. H.264 is not HD-DVD

    4. Re:HD-DVD not Blu-Ray? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I think it might be due to the fact that there isn't much by the way of Blu-Ray drives, but one can technically write an HD-DVD onto a DVD-R, because that's one of the smaller official sizes in the standard. There aren't any real HD-DVD drives or players available for consumer or pro use either, I think it's just demo and prototype hardware.

      Apple may just be in both consortiums. I know one of the Korean hardware makers is too. I don't think Apple would be smart to provide "pro" tools and neglect both of the consumer formats, assuming that the formats don't merge eventually.

  19. Re:My Mac Sucks by legLess · · Score: 1

    http://www.kottke.org/98/11/my-mac-sucks

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  20. Re:My Mac Sucks by Golias · · Score: 1

    no, not new, just not paying attent

    Actually, you are user 608864, while he is user 517789.

    On Slashdot, that means he has every right to think of you as a "fucking n00b."

    You are to address him, not merely as "ZosX", but as "ZosX-sempai" to properly show him the respect which is due to him. He may in turn choose to apply the "-chan" honorific to your user name, if so inclined. ... but cheer up! I'm pretty sure you can still get a four-digit UID over at MacSlash. Then, if he shows up five minutes later, you can mercilessly savage him for his inexperience and ignorance.

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  21. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

    Welcome to http://Apple.slashdot.org im sorry for the problems you've been experiancing we normaly discuss Major world events but for some reason someone has gotten it into there heads that this is a page for apple news, who knows if it was the apple.slashdot.org combined with the News for nerds thing or what ..but we will hurry to fix the problem for you right now ...

    We shall also redo the error in the sub title from "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." to a more fitting "IMPORTANT News for Nerds , Stuff that your life depends on" and have more storys here about poisoned granny smiths or mcintosh apples with tequila worms in them

    Or to put it a less sarcastic quick way , What the hell did you expect to find on apple.slashdot.org , it just so hapens that this one was put through to the default front page , looking at your member number and you obvious anti-apple bias im rather confused why you have yet to turn off apple storys.

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  22. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and we have lernt that Anti-Apple fanbois (fans of hating apple) are realy not very nice people ... Be nice wouldnt you , and perhaps learn to live in peace with us apple users , or piss off and stop insulting us.

  23. Apple's calculator still broken by intmainvoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Final Cut Studio: US$1299 or GBP£899. Is the exchange rate really 1.44?

    1. Re:Apple's calculator still broken by Gid1 · · Score: 1

      The UK Apple Store includes 17.5% tax, but the US one doesn't. Still not a great exchange rate, but not as bad as it sounds. It should be more like £810 (incl. VAT)

  24. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by nathanh · · Score: 1, Informative
    looking at your member number and you obvious anti-apple bias im rather confused why you have yet to turn off apple storys.

    Uhh, my anti-apple bias? You're kidding, right? I'm typing this from a PowerBook and this is my fifth Apple computer in the past decade. I love Apple Computers. Steve Wozniak is the Geek God. Steve Jobs is inspirational. The Apple II was so great it made men weep with joy. Macs are great, that's why I keep buying them. I'm personally responsible for several PC -> Mac conversions; people ask me which computer to buy and I tell them "a Mac".

    Now, Apple fanboys, that's something I really hate. This thread has been the perfect example of everything I hate about you guys. I point out how useless these "Minor Upgrade to Existing Apple Software" stories are, and I get accusations that I'm "anti-apple". Remove your fanboy chips from those lumps of meat you laughably call your brains, because they're affecting your ability to think.

  25. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Informative

    ok i appoligise for that , but its early and i needed a coffe ;).
    For your info im not an apple fanboy , i am a if anything a GPL fanatic and will take happily take a ripping about that , but most definantly i do apreciate apple designed computers and products. personaly i found this info usefull as i use one of those products . and i dont apreciate someone comming along blabering some nonsence about me being a fanboi because i found it usefull, and i definantly dont need no "OH NO slashdot is turing into some blah" posts .

    Honestly , And yes i also found the kernel news intresting :P , this doesnt make me a fanboi it makes me someone with a vested intrest.
    Being a fanboi involves finding no fault with anything X does.
    So what have apple done wrong here ... made a product update announcement instead of staying quiet about it ,and slashdot editors though alot of folks here would find use for the info and we did .
    Just because we get pissed off being insulted by people does not make us fanboys.

    You know the blade points both ways , alot of people who are sick of fanbois tar everyone with the same brush and i could easily call them "*Haters".
    If apple do something wrong ala that thinksecret lawsuit i will shout about it , if RMS screws up i will shout about it , if slashdot posts an obvious dupe i will speak out , if any of them do something right then i will read and enjoy reading it . and if people tell me there is something wrong with me for finding it usefull then i will tell them where to shove it .

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  26. Re:Using all the Core* stuff? by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

    apple was already doing things which was using 3d card in most of those apps, so i would be surprised if they didnt add core functionality as well, given we probably wont see a update in any of these for another 12 months

  27. Re:My Mac Sucks by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

    problem is you really should be working on a cheaper machine to get the cheaper performance you crave. comparing a g5 1.8 to a 486 is just apples and oranges. You need to dump the G5 and get your self a machine a comparable power/cost ratio to the work horse 486 you describe.

    Let me suggest a buff PowerMac 7100 http://www.429bauhaus.no-ip.com/Apple/PowerMac7100 .html/

    you will find it's PowerPC 601 SCREAMS even after all these years with photoshop 2.0 and it's 350 meg SCSI hard drive will be more than adequate to handle your 20 MB files.

    You can give me the POS G5. Good Luck!

  28. Re:My Mac Sucks by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    Well said, Oh Mighty and Wise Golias (176380), if this lowly maggot (593551) may be so bold as to comment.

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  29. Time to upgrade the hardware! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    I've been holding out for the longest time, waiting for the mythical G5 Lappy. My PB G4 800 has been enough to get by until now. I can hold out until June, September at the latest.

    Then the choice will be between the 17" or the 12" with my 22" cinema display.

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    1. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Informative


      You're not getting a G5 PowerBook by June. Have you seen the heatsinks in the G5 towers? We'll need new CPUs with smaller dies before that will happen, and those are still at the rumor stage.
      And, btw, why? As was discussed when Tiger was announced, what does a 970 get you? You won't use 64bit in a portable, as there aren't enough ram slots anyways. You'd be happier with a dual core "Freescale" G4--and those might happen a lot sooner.

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    2. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by amichalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I were going to hold out for a laptop, it would be for the dual core G4, not the G5.

      For my mobile computing needs (I recognize that your's may differ from mine) The 64bit power of the G5 is way overkill and will translate nicely into poor batery life and a hot lap.

      The dual core G4 on the other hand would provide 5+Ghz combined speed (yeah, you don't combine dual processors like that but just go with me on this) while also providing a cooler operating environment on my lap and enough battery life to get some work done.

      Just a thought. Still, My 400 Mhz G4 Ti is holding up great for a five year old laptop and is looking forward to Tiget.

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    3. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I'm well aware I'm not getting a G5 PB by June, outside of a miracle.

      But why is it important to me? Did you see the system requirements for FC Studio if you want to work with HDV or HD DVD?

      For the time being this will mean getting an iMac or a Powermac if the need for using HDV comes up. A Powerbook would be a whole lot more useful to me. If a small HDV job comes up, I might be able to use a partner's Powermac.

      If the dual core freescales meet the FC Studio requirements for HDV, then great.

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    4. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      My dear friend, Amichalo:

      Maybe you forgot to RTFA, but this is about the pro apps, namely FC Studio. Neither your 400 Ti nor my 800 Ti will be able to run most of the apps in FC Studio. I don't think your PB will run any, in fact.

      G5 Powerbooks might be a pipe dream, but Dual Core G4s aren't exactly shipping either.

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    5. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

      Did you see the system requirements for FC Studio if you want to work with HDV or HD DVD?

      It's not my business, so I didn't look that closely, but that's a nice point. Mac OS Rumors has been muttering about using a Cell-based co-processor for HD video tasks; I wonder if that's how Apple hopes to get HD FCP and friends working on a PowerBook.

      Inclusion of a Cell co-processor, on the surface, seems like a useful thing to do, and not only for FCP--I would think, if it was handled correctly, that the Mac would no longer be in the gaming basement. And frankly that means more to me, personally. I'm not smart enough to know if the inclusion of the Cell is more fantasy or really possible, the fact that IBM makes it regardless.

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    6. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by circusboy · · Score: 1

      I have the last version of the studio. and with the exception of Motion, which requires a bigger video chip, it all runs, albeit slowly, on a 667 Ti. I wouldn't recommend it though.

      I'm waiting till after NAB to order my new one. here's hoping for some price drops, I can live without the latest and greatest, but I want my compositor!

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    7. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Informative
      Did you see the system requirements for FC Studio if you want to work with HDV or HD DVD?

      Unless you want to use Motion, even the current PowerBooks will do (HD features require 1GHz or faster single or dual processors). So a 1.7 GHz dual-core G4 should be able to do it too.

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    8. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      For my mobile computing needs (I recognize that your's may differ from mine) The 64bit power of the G5 is way overkill and will translate nicely into poor batery life and a hot lap.

      I suppose such people probably exist, but I've had the hardest time trying to figure out who really has a need for multiple GHz of processing power in a laptop. I mean, sure a dual-G5 system you can pull out of our backpack and show off to your art-geek friends sounds kewl, but does anybody really do video-editing at Starbuck's or 3D rendering at 30,000 feet?

      My 500MHz G3 iBook does fine for the usual sorts of e-mail/web/word processing/presentation uses that constitute the vast majority of computer-in-the-briefcase needs. But when I want to do some serious work, I sit down at a desk with a full size keyboard, a real mouse, a 20" display, and a couple G5s in a big metal box on the floor. Try to engineer a machine that fits both of these needs, and you'll end up with something that's neither fish nor fowl and ends up meeting neither of them.

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    9. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by amichalo · · Score: 1

      According to Apple's own comments during various earnings calls with analysts, Apple continues to see a migration from pro desktops (Power Macs) to pro laptops (PowerBooks).

      I agree with you that it doesn't make sense to try to get in a couple hours of video editing time while flying from here to there, yet my own observations seem to enforce Apple's claims.

      Witness a videographer I worked with last year that had Power Macs in studio for editing but also used PowerBooks for going to clients and working on consulting projects. It allowed them to bring their own workstations and use them on-site or in the office. This was a small 5 person group but it worked for them.

      Witness again a Texas university that has in-house developers sitting in cubes using 17" PowerBooks and 23" displays. To my knowledge, they never went "mobile". I don't know if they just got a big grant and wated to spend the money but for whatever reason, there they were, probably a dozen workstations setup this way.

      For the consultant who uses their computer at home but also needs the ability to work on-site with a client, work from a hotel room, or just give a persentation every once and a while, having a dual purpose laptop may make better financial sense than a powerful G5 desktop and an iBook.

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    10. Re:Time to upgrade the hardware! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Hey, you're right. I misread that.

      Well, either way, I'm still looking at upgrading the hardware. I love this TiBook, but it's days as my main machine are numbered. I'll probably keep it, though. It still boots OS 9. I don't think any recent computers from Apple will actually boot into OS 9, though you can run "Classic".

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  30. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by daviddennis · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is actually a major upgrade in Final Cut Pro and the other applications. There is multi-camera support, which is one of the most-requested features from FCP users. There is (finally!) support in FCP for that cool camera Steve was waving around at the keynote in January. There is a new audio editing application that looks like it's the answer to many people's prayers.

    I suppose if news for nerds is just news for Linux kernel developers, you might have a point that this shouldn't be covered. But there's an Apple section on this site, and this happens to be major news to those Mac users, such as myself, who are heavily involved in the world of content creation.

    You shouldn't feel an obligation to click on and read a story because it's there. Understand that there are people for whom this is a genuinely big deal, and go on to the next story.

    Nothing wrong with that.

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  31. Motion is an amazing program by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    If you have the video card needed to run it, it's a must-see.

    It's the coolest motion graphics application ever. I have it and using it is truly a joy.

    Pre-G5 PowerMacs don't have the video card needed to run it unless it was purchased as a (horribly expensive) option. You have been warned :-(.

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  32. Very cool, but still missed the boat by eDogg · · Score: 1

    I don't mean to sound like a complainer, but . . .

    WHY couldn't Apple have silenced the countless people crying for Applescript support in Final Cut Pro?? I see that they support Applescript now in Soundtrack, and they taut it as a great feature. They even rub it in your face that you can run Soundtrack scripts from within Final Cut Pro. This begs the obvious question: If Applescript is so great, why not support it in the flagship product of your video editing suite??

    I know the old arguments about how video editing is a creative task and can't be scripted. I agree to a point, but there are many mundane tasks that *could* and *SHOULD* be scripted. Importing and exporting are great examples. What if I want to automate the process of posting a new edit for a client to review? What if I want to automate exporting a large batch of media? What if I want to see how this clip will look using a dozen different codecs and/or settings, but don't want to click 80 different checkboxes to do it??

    Applescript would be wonderful for all these tasks. Not to mention the possibilities opened up for 3rd party developers to leverage some of the power of Final Cut Pro from their own applications via Applescript. Right now we have to rely on clunky techniques like Apple UI Scripting, or Folder Actions, neither of which are totally reliable or have all the power we need.

    I have been waiting with keen anticipation for FCP 5 and while a lot of the new features (and pricing) look great, I was totally underwhelmed by the gaping hole Apple left by not packaging their own technology: Applescript.

    Please, someone tell me I'm wrong and that I missed the page on Apple's site explaining the new Applescript dictionary for FCP5! Please!!

    1. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

      Automator is what apple is pushing as future of applescript. maybe you should be investigating that.

    2. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by eDogg · · Score: 1

      I believe Automator is simply a GUI front end to Applescript. It still relies on each application's Applescript dictionary to operate. From the little I played with Automator it appears to only handle tasks that could already be done with Applescript, just in a more "user friendly" way.

      My main complaint is that Apple has not allowed any reliable form of automation within their Final Cut Pro product.

    3. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by Techprod · · Score: 2, Informative

      Take a longer look at Compressor.app...that's what I use for all my automated video production needs. You can set-up droplets to change things like the video's frame size and the like plus it supports Applescript links. Nothing like getting an email on my cell phone when my files are done rendering.

    4. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by eDogg · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip. I will look at that today. It might meet some of our needs, but I think a strong argument for full Applescript functionality in FCP still exists. Even if the examples I originally cited can be handled by Compressor, there are many other things in FCP that I'd love to automate.

      What if I want to grab a still of the key frame? There are countless other examples I can think of where if I had Applescript, I could improve my productivity. I wonder what the *real* reason is that Apple doesn't include it.

    5. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

      i have dabbled in FCP. Im interested, what kind of automation do you think is needed?

    6. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      It's very simple really; Final Cut Pro is undergoing "not developed here" syndrome. Since it's not orginally Apple's code, it has no native support for AppleScript. To be truthful, they're probably thinking about it a lot; Apple usually takes their time before they do major reworks of products, especially ones they've purchased from other companies. Think about NextStep. It was acquired by Apple in 1997 and it took them four years to re-introduce it as Mac OS X (and IMO it was still not ready).

      So my final answer is "just wait for the next version or such". They're working on it ;)

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    7. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

      oh, that is cool. i had no idea it did that.

    8. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by danigiri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I am also of this opinion. I have done some feasibility studies of FCP on a medium company. Literally thousands of dollars could be saved by having FCP AppleScriptable. Not anything magical about that, mind you, just that the megabucks could be saved by refraining on the purchase of ultra-expensive custom developed solutions that only have the added value of being able to automate some human-resources intensive tasks.

      The GUI widgets in FCP are non-native and this hints that the task of making it AppleScriptable is massive... otherwise Apple would be JustPlainStupid(TM) in my opinion not to implement AppleScript support in FCP. I do pray that they're on it.

    9. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by eDogg · · Score: 1

      I'll be quite honest. I don't personally use Final Cut Pro at all. The only reason this is on my radar is because I have a client who uses it quite a bit, and has hired me to write an application automating posting media clips to a custom media management portal.

      Our original concept was to have a script you could fire in Final Cut Pro when rendering a clip. It would create a jpg thumbnail of the key frame and export it to the server. It would take the clip and render several different versions for proofing and post those to the server. We would also do some other manipulation of output settings as needed. This was all hamstrung by the lack of any script support in FCP. We've managed to work around a lot of it using Folder Actions and UI scripting, but it still lacks the elegance of the original idea.

      I am excited about the comment made regarding Compressor. It sounds like this might fit the bill. It just depends on how tightly Compressor integrates with Final Cut Pro. Our main goal is to make this easy on the editors. Allow them to focus on their work and not be bothered with a lot of extra steps to deliver their work to our proofing system.

    10. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by AcornWeb · · Score: 1

      I believe Automator is simply a GUI front end to Applescript

      No, it isn't. Automator can run any code snippet you want it to which allows programers to setup just about any type of action they want.

      More info here

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    11. Re:Very cool, but still missed the boat by eDogg · · Score: 1

      Wow! I had no idea. I mean, I know you can do shell scripts in Automator. You can already do that with Applescript, but I had no idea that Automator Actions could be Objective-C as well as Applescript. That seems really cool.

      I wonder if Automator automatically exposes Actions based on an application's Applescript dictionary, or if the application developer has to manually create a new library of Automator Actions. I would imagine if I know Applescript I could easily wrap the existing Applescript dictionary in an Automator Action myself, but I wonder how much extra work this will pose for developers that make scriptable OS X apps.

  33. Re:My Mac Sucks by Golias · · Score: 1

    Thank you. You may now clean my boots.

    (Clue to those who missed the sarcasm: If your UID is more than three digits long or so, nobody is impressed... and even then, sometimes not. I kind of wish they would stop displaying them entirely.)

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  34. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was not among those to initially reply to you, nor do I care about your opinion of the newsworthiness of this story, but I suggest that if you act like a complete jackass by posting ignorant crap like " Honestly, I thought the "Linux 2.6.11-rc2 released" articles were bad enough, but the incessant Apple product announcements are even worse. Is it really worth mentioning every single product that Apple releases?" in the wake of a major product announcement which is posted on apple.slashdot.org, then lots of people are going to come out of the woodwork to point out that you are being a dick.

    That doesn't make them "Apple fanboys", it just makes them tired of hearing whining like yours, which seems to come up in every single goddamn Apple thread.

    What it boils down to is that you are complaining about there being too much content on Slashdot. You are announcing your dissatisfaction that something which does not seen newsworthy to you. Are you physically incapable of skipping a story every now and then?

    In other words: STFU and GBTW

  35. Re:My Mac Sucks by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    It's actually kind of fun when the old timers come out of the woodwork for a UID pissing match.

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  36. Re:My Mac Sucks by ZosX · · Score: 1

    I've been reading slashdot since, oh, probably 1997 or so. I've been using the net before the WWW even came around. 1992 or so is when I started I think. I'd probably have a much lower UID #, but I never really started to posting to slashdot until much more recently. Once I realized that I could sort comments based upon scores automatically, I was hooked. Quite honestly, I don't know why I never got a user ID earlier, since it gives you a lot more options.

    Any UID # below 200,000 has been here for a long time, much like yourself. I haven't seen many 3 digit UIDs in a while. I haven't seen many 4 digit UIDs either for what its worth. I wonder how long it will be until Slashdot breaks a million registered users. I keep seeing numbers in the high 800k range, so I know its getting closer.

    For the guy that I replied to: I was really just joking, cuz I thought it was hillarious you actually bit the bait, and for the guy that responded: Nice to meet you.

    That said, have a great fucking day! :)

    *bows*

  37. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can also choose to not be an asshole by going somewhere else. Why the fuck do you care so much? I'm so sick of people bitching about something you can choose not to view. GO AWAY YOU FUCKING MORON. WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. KILL YOURSELF AND WE STILL WON'T CARE. FUCKING ASSHAT. "Learnt"? Illiterate fuckhole.

  38. Re:My Mac Sucks by Golias · · Score: 1

    If you are pissing UID's, see a doctor immediately.

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  39. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by dmarcoot · · Score: 1

    not to beat a dead horse, your plenty dead. This is a major update to a major video package used by pros to make tv and film, ever hear of small film called Lord of the Rings? they and a multitude of studios use these products make TV and Films worth about a couple billion a year. Not minor shit.

    You, however radiate ignorance and stupidity in your post for numerous reasons others have slapped over head with. Reap what you sow.

  40. Re:My Mac Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we need the eggs.

  41. Re:My Mac Sucks by Enrique1218 · · Score: 1

    Go to a support forum for pete sake's. You have computer problem, get it fix and quit trolling.

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  42. RTFM and defrag, you troll. by SnowDog74 · · Score: 0, Troll
    I'm almost positive that I've seen this exact same "17 megabytes in 20 minutes" nonsense before on the boards... I smell a troll.

    I'm curious... do you happen to put all your media files on the same partition as your applications? In a word: Don't.

    I have nearly half a terabyte of storage, and I run TechTool Pro regularly to defrag and perform directory maintenance.

    IMPORTANT:

    1. If you're not performing system/memory disk diagnostics and maintenance regularly, then your problem isn't the Mac... your problem is your own lack of common sense. Once, I discovered that one of my memory cards was not seated properly... You might never catch that if you don't confirm how much RAM your system is recognizing. So, as a rule, perform diagnostics regularly on everything.

    2. To narrow down where your drag is occuring, run the Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder... check network, memory and disk activity to pinpoint more specifically where the unnecessary load is occurring.

    3. The dumbest thing you can do is configure your System Disk as your scratch/capture disk... Always use separate physical drives for scratch/capture.

    In short... sit down, shut up, and fix the problem.

    1. Re:RTFM and defrag, you troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I run TechTool Pro regularly to defrag"

      FYI. there is no such thing as defrag in OS X.

  43. Re:My Mac Sucks by richardmguy · · Score: 1

    Ouch. That feels better.

  44. Re:My Mac Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a four but I don't remember the password and the account is tied to my old college email account. I should talk to somebody and get it reset. So I can school all you new kids.

  45. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by aichpvee · · Score: 1

    I never liked Final Cut that much. Though that other video app they bought is quite nice, other than the nerfed price on Linux and Irix.

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  46. Re:Steve Jobs Sneezes, News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You, however radiate ignorance and stupidity in your post for numerous reasons others have slapped over head with. Reap what you sow.
    probably one of the smartest insult I ever read, is it a apple-geek feature ?