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MPAA Under Investigation for Illegal NYPD Payoffs

An anonymous reader writes "The New York Post is reporting that two NYPD officers are being investigated for taking illegal payoffs from the MPAA for busting sellers of pirated DVDs. According to the article, MPAA investigators would tell the cops where pirated movies were being sold, which is perfectly legal, but, after the bust, they'd give them several hundred dollars in gratuities, which is illegal. Naturally, the MPAA denies all of this."

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  1. pirated movies/games.... by npfscayle · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm all for free movies, but when people sell them, they should get arrested.
    Save the bandwidth for me. :)

    1. Re:pirated movies/games.... by macdaddy357 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah! And when the cops let murderers, armed robbers and rapists run amok beacause busting simple copyright infringers pays a kickback, that's cool too. After all, you get free bandwidth! ;b

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  2. strange by scenestar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a rightious organisation out to protect the lawfull rights of artists they have a rather odd way of practice

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    1. Re:strange by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For a rightious organisation out to protect the lawfull rights of artists they have a rather odd way of practice

      Yeah, but for a greedy organization dedicated to stealing money from their users, that's no surprise to me.

      Unfortunately (for the *AA enemies) I think this is an isolated case, rather than their modus operandi. After all, it's reasonable to expect that one or two cops (or even a P.D.) can be corrupt, isn't it?

  3. Money making by markild · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that it loses $3.5 billion in potential worldwide revenue because of movie piracy."

    Surely the can't expect that their raids of arrests will provide them with more sales.

    Where they thinking that as long they're already on the red number side, they could just buy themselves some police forces?

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    1. Re:Money making by Rs_Conqueror · · Score: 3, Funny
      Surely the can't expect that their raids of arrests will provide them with more sales.

      Apperantly they do, and don't call me shurley...

    2. Re:Money making by laird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Surely the can't expect that their raids of arrests will provide them with more sales."

      If I understand your claim, I think you're wrong.

      Yes, I think that they do in fact think that when people buy bootleg copies of DVD's that they don't buy legit copies of the DVD's, so shutting down illegal manufacturers (i.e. factories that manufacture DVD's that they don't pay royalties on, and street vendors who burn DVD-R's and don't pay royalties) they reduce the supply of bootlegs and thus increase sales of legit DVD's.

      Is there something there that you disagree with?

    3. Re:Money making by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is there something there that you disagree with?

      Reducing the supply of bootlegs doesn't translate into increased sales of legitimiate DVDs. Economics tells us that the higher the price vs the perceived value, the less people who'll buy the product. It could very well be that the price of the bootleg is acceptable to bootleg customers, but that the price of the legal DVD is not.

      Which means that you might get *no* increase in legal DVDs by shutting down bootleg operations. You will, however, acquire power that you didn't have before (by definition).

      Max

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  4. What's worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know who's worse: people paying cops to enforce the law, or cops that won't enforce it unless you pay them extra.

    1. Re:What's worse? by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not every crime is equally important.

      I think I can see the logic of this - most cops probably don't give a damn about who's selling DVDs, especially since the people who do it (at least here) are usually immigrants (sometimes illegal) who have a very poor knowledge of the language and can't get a job.

      Doesn't seem to be much point to me in arresting some guy who managed to get some income that way, when there are much more harmful people out there. I think most cops would be pretty happy with that at least they're not selling drugs or mugging people.

    2. Re:What's worse? by Sparxter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe because some of the cops already break the law at home, away from work. Personally if I was a cop I wouldn't give 2 hoots about piracy. I'd care more about the person being mugged 2 streets away

      As a cop I can tell you that this is indeed the case. As a small department with a lot of area to cover, piracy is the LAST concern any of us have. To put it in perspective I would rather write someone for J-walking...

    3. Re:What's worse? by zotz · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I don't know who's worse: people paying cops to enforce the law, or cops that won't enforce it unless you pay them extra."

      Sure, if it were as simple as that. But could it be that you are buying a change in their priorities? For instance, they really should be dealing with the mugger that has been in Central Park recently, but because of your "tips" they ignore the threat of physical harm to citizens and instead help you enforce your copyrights.

      Another thought just came to me. Haven't I seen something in the news recently about cities refusing to have local police enfore federal laws? So aren't copyright violations, violations of federal laws? Was this the FBI getting "tips" or city cops? Hmmmm. Anyone care to bat this thought around?

      all the best,

      drew

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    4. Re:What's worse? by macdaddy357 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No surprise there. Police agencies intentionally reject applicants with high intelligence. Don't believe me? Check this out, or this, or this. A cop who can't spell his own name would not surprise me.

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  5. Re:Umm. by Omniscientist · · Score: 4, Insightful
    No. Law enforcement is a public service. What they do is to be expected, not rewarded. Tipping will lead to favoritism which must be avoided.

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  6. Re:Umm. by ForestGrump · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So where do you draw the line between tipping an officer for doing you a "favor" and bribing him to do you a "favor"?

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  7. Campaign funds by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Funny

    The MPAA giving to someones campaign funds is perfectly legal, lets say a Police Chief, who then in turn is tough on copyright crimes.

    Yup, business as usual.

  8. Which it be? by n0dalus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FTA: Two NYPD veterans are being investigated by Internal Affairs...
    From title: MPAA Under Investigation for Illegal NYPD Payoffs

    So, who's under investigation here?

    1. Re:Which it be? by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2 cops and the MPAA I would imagine. ;-)

  9. Life is easy... by William+Robinson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Uh.. No Officer.. I just read it on slashdot that you accept cash.

    1. Re:Life is easy... by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damned! If only they'd accept paypal too!

  10. I am not surprised by andydread · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The MPAA and the RIAA will stop at nothing to protect their monopolies. These 2 corrupt officers are just a tip of the giant iceberg of people that recieve huge sums from the MPAA and RIAA. Some others - Several politicians, Virus writers. Yes they employ these people to create nastyware to disrupt p2p networks. and many many more people are bribed by these organizations. The MPAA and the RIAA are among the most corrupt organizations in America. And the blatantly lie about their the root cause of their losses almost every year. It is about time they are investigated but I fear they may buy out the investigation.

  11. Re:Why not? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
    "You say they lose $x billion per year to the underground industry is ludacris"

    No, no; a lot of other bands are being copied too, not just Ludacris.

  12. Re:Umm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then you get a situation where whoever pays the cops the most gets the most justice.

    We already have a problem with police going after more high profile crimes involving a lot of money, rather than going after less high profile crimes which involve less money but more harm to the individual.

    For example, if a little old lady is scammed out of $10,000 by a guy who says he will fix her leaking roof, that causes her a lot of harm.

    In contrast, if someone distributes music online and costs the music industry $100,000, which is highly unlikely, the police will go after those guys with more vigor, even though the music industry won't feel the sting of that guy's actions much if at all.

  13. Loosing revenue? by Darvin · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that it loses $3.5 billion in potential worldwide revenue because of movie piracy."

    Perhaps the reason the MPAA and RIAA is loosing 3.5 billion is because spending the money on bent officials?

  14. Obviously they paid you to say that. by TCaM · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shill!

  15. Irregular verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So where do you draw the line between tipping an officer for doing you a "favor" and bribing him to do you a "favor"?

    I tip
    You bribe
    The MPAA induces massive police corruption

  16. This wouldn't surprise me.. by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Living in New York is an expensive lifestyle. But on the other hand, New York cops really seem to enjoy themselves when it comes to corruption. Take for example last year's Republican convention. New York Cops did their best to round up thousands of people, stick them in an asbestos contaminated concentration camp and then charge them with crimes they never committed.

    The Banno Story - Corrupt nyc cops lie, the DA encourages and participates in the lies.. get caught red handed
    Police Perjurers
    another story related to the new york DA editing/manipulating video tapes

    Google the story, hundreds of cases have been dropped because the Police were inventing stories that never happened and then having the DA charge innocent people with full knowledge.

    1. Re:This wouldn't surprise me.. by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 3, Informative

      " So the police make a bunch of arrests among large crowds of people then drop the charges later.

      I really don't have a problem with that.
      "

      No, what happened was, police were making arrests & making up phony charges that the accused parties had never committed, and then the DA tried to prosecute those crimes by manipulating video evidence. Had they presented the entire video evidence uncut, their case against the accused parties would have collapsed. Luckily, third parties filming the same events from the sidelines jumped in and showed exactly what happened (Peaceful demonstrators being rounded up for no bloody reason. Some of them weren't even demonstrators, just locals walking home.)

      Willful and deliberate treachory on the part of the cops and da.

    2. Re:This wouldn't surprise me.. by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Arbitrary arrest and imprisonment goes against the constitution, so far as I'm aware. I believe that there's something in the constitution about a right of "the people" to "peaceably assemble" and about "freedom of speech".

      Now, I've been on mass protests. Except I was fortunate to do so in a free country, Britain. I marched with several hundred thousand people about a topic I must admit I've changed my mind on since in the early nineties. And been with several thousand people protesting on another issue at roughly the same period.

      Unlike America, I wasn't arrested or under threat of arrest and the authorities cooperated with the protest and its organizers. In Britain, the right to protest is not considered something to be stamped upon. Riots are rare because the tactics designed to provoke them are rarely if ever used by British law enforcement. You don't, for example, as is common in the US, herd protesters into a closed area, surround them, and then order them to disperse or be arrested.

      In most free countries, the right to protest isn't dismissed as easily as you do:

      So the police make a bunch of arrests among large crowds of people then drop the charges later.

      I really don't have a problem with that. It is a widely practiced tactic in highly charged crowds. If the DNC had been held in Austin Texas the same thing would have happened.

      We don't consider extreme limitations on the right to protest compatable with freedom. Indeed, the day law enforcement appears to be deliberately doing what it can to stir up trouble, the day it clearly starts making arbitrary arrests, et al, is probably the day the government doing this work finds itself likely to be thrown out. We don't do that kind of thing. We don't tolerate it. And we find it bizarre the country whose countrymen usually pride themselves on the degree of Freedom they have consider their right to start a business and then fire employees for what they do in their spare time as more important than the right to protest.

      Not that I'm saying all Americans are like you. I know plenty that aren't, right and left. But I'm surprised that, generally, you don't get the kind of backlash against Fidel Castro clones in local government in the US as you do in other western democracies. Maybe, because you, as citizens against a government, haven't had to fight for basic democratic freedoms for the last 250 years, many of you have forgotten how important they are.

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  17. how ironic by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the MPAA breaking the law to enforce the law. oh the irony.

    People have been saying for years that the MPAA need to try harder to stop piracy before the movies get leaked. Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Maybe it's time they started listening.

  18. At last by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The wolf reveals it's true colours. Now do the same to the RIAA and throw all their court cases out untill further investigate (which will lead to price fixing and various other crimes being "discovered"). And since it's been proven that this companies buy people off it'll be impossible to buy off the judge/jury because people wille xpect it and if it seems fishy it'll be looked into.

    Good game gentleman. You lose this round and hopefully won't come back.

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  19. Why is it that.... by sugapablo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why is it that this makes me want to do a little happy dance? :)

    I bet the MPAA thought that while their actions might have been *technically* illegal, they certainly weren't hurting anybody.

    Sound familiar?

    1. Re:Why is it that.... by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny
      " bet the MPAA thought that while their actions might have been *technically* illegal, they certainly weren't hurting anybody. Sound familiar?"

      The next step is to call them thieves.

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  20. Bad cops bad cops by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny
    Bad cops, bad cops

    New York's finest paid by MPAA
    Bust down your door and take your movie away!
    In de car or on de horse,
    They'll take your DVD's with excessive force.

    Bad cops, bad cops.

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  21. Hypocrites by Kaorimoch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think we should run an ad in every movie theatre for MPAA members and affiliates to remind them that "Paying off cops is a crime". We could even show the cops who were paid off in the ad to remind them what happens if you bribe law enforcement officials as part of the cops settlement arrangement.

    They want us to obey the law but forget to do it themselves. Great example guys.

  22. Laws enforced only if officers tipped. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Informative
    "What is the problem with underpaid law enforcers from accepting tips?"

    Aside from the fact that they are not underpaid, there is this problem. If you have a "tip" system, pretty soon they only enforce laws to benefit those who tip them. Want that burglary investigated? Tip them, or they will "ignore it due to more pressing matters".

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  23. Re:Umm. by smutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have clearly never worked in the service sector. When I worked in the state of Virginia as a waiter I earned roughly half of minimum wage. The rest was expected to be made up with tips. The federal guvment assumes you will get 8-9% of each check in tips and the IRS taxes you for it. So if you don't tip your server still has to pay the IRS taxes on that tip they didn't receive.
    Please tip. If you can't afford to tip then go eat at McDonalds.

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  24. Re: you missed the "why" by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There are two ways to improve the bottom line for a firm:
    Increase Sales
    Reduce Cost

    The MPAA considers piracy to be a "cost" that they wish to control, to assist their bottom line.

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  25. Hardly surprising... by dysjunct · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The music industry has been involved in payola for years and years, despite it being illegal. Why should they see this as anything different? They'll just come up with yet another excuse as to why this isn't payola. Is it a private gift from one individual to another, which -- totally coincidentally -- happens to be from an RIAA member to a NYPD officer? You can't prove anything! What, you want to outlaw gifts?

    (In Soviet Russia, gifts outlaw YOU!)

  26. Tipping by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The tip is supposed to be paid for services above and beyond the most basic acceptable service. If a waiter doesn't provide acceptable service, it is the customer's responsibility to not only NOT TIP, but also to inform the manager of the bad service.

    What is wrong in the above statement is that not tipping is only acceptable in the case of bad service. This is totally wrong, and contrary to the whole concept of tipping.

    Tipping is intended as a means of a waiter/tress to earn income above and beyond what they normally earn (which is typically below minimum wage). However to earn that, it is expected, from the customer's perspective, that the waiter must perform services above and beyond what is acceptable as "normal", not what is accepted as "bad service".

    I hate bad tippers. I think they are cheapskates and are ripping off good waiters. However, I have to reproach any waiter who thinks that it is my responsibility to pay him extra just for providing "adequate" service. If I wanted expected service, I would have gone to McDonalds.

  27. Criminal activity is normal for the RIAA by bani · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not the first time the RIAA has been involved in criminal activity.

    Law enforcement goes wild and imprisons students for sharing a few thousand dollars worth of mp3s. It's about time we start imprisoning music industry CEOs who steal $143 million from the public.

    1. Re:Criminal activity is normal for the RIAA by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The MPAA and RIAA are different the way the Mafia and the Yakuza are different.

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  28. From the article by Nebu · · Score: 3, Funny

    An MPAA tip, for example, led to the recent prosecution of Randy Guthrie, the black sheep of a blueblood New York family, who was recently sentenced to 21/2 years in a Chinese jail for selling nearly $1 million in pirated movies over the Internet.

    Why don't they just say 10.5 years?

  29. come on by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're SUPPOSED to tip police officers, it's only common courtesy.

  30. How much to have someone arrested? by bcmm · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much does this great service cost? I can think of people I would like to have arrested...

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  31. Bugger me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Paying Cops to bust people!

    Next thing you know they start paying politicians to change laws.

    Oh shit, nevermind...

  32. Re:They may be bad, but.... by Tassach · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Cartel" or "Trust" is a more accurate description of the MPAA and RIAA.

    There's a reason there's a law called the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.

    A true Republican president would be fighting against the trusts, unlike the corporate whore who occupies the White House.

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  33. Re:Umm. by Triskele · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm a Brit and we generally don't tip. It used to be considered insulting in many sectors - "I work for a living I don't need charity" or "Am I a serf?". In fact I will tip if service and the meal is particularly good.

    Though when I'm in the US I do try to remember that the waiters really are serfs and if I don't tip they'll starve. What a lovely system you guys have...

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  34. This is about the MPAA not the RIAA by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't get the two mixed up.

    The RIAA is a criminal cartel that buys their own cops
    The MPAA is a criminal cartel that buys their own laws

    (oh and if any lawyers representing either of those organisations are reading this, please sue me for sying that, I'd just love the chance see the expression on your faces when a judge agrees with me)

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  35. Wrong by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "well, they are fully responsible for the piracy themselves!"

    No they're not. Candy costs about 55 cents a bar now, when it used to be about 33 cents when I was a kid. Does this mean if I were to shoplift a candy bar, it's the store's fault? Or the candy manufacturer?

    While I'm certainly not defending the MPAA's actions or saying that things are hunky dory, their shitty actions are not a reasonable justification to steal.

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    1. Re:Wrong by Chuq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I'm certainly not defending the MPAA's actions or saying that things are hunky dory, their shitty actions are not a reasonable justification to steal.

      I didn't realise DVDs being taken off store shelves was such a huge problem in the US.

      (Hint: If you meant "copyright infringement", say it. Don't say "steal", as that means something else.)

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    2. Re:Wrong by JayBlalock · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Just to take the contrary position: Say you were to put your money into a bank, and it turned out the bank's preferred method of security is to leave the money in piles out on the floor. Obviously, it gets stolen. While in the strictest sense, it's a case of one person committing one crime, only a fool would say the bank was not partially at fault, since their policies made the theft so attractive.

      An extreme case to be sure, but I wanted to illustrate the point. A business has to take reasonable safeguards for their product *AND* make sure they have a viable business model. When the entire world is clamoring for lower prices on music\movies, with the customers being fully aware that these products can be obtained far more cheaply (or for free), then the media conglomerates are inviting piracy by refusing to respond to the market.

      And that's what it all boils down to. The world is moving towards digital distribution, and the media companies are doing everything in their power to try to stop that from happening. They are refusing to update their business model for a new generation. This SHOULD be death for a company. Instead, they have grown so large that they simply attempt to outlaw the new technology that threatens their 1950s mentality.

      Now, personally I think pirates who *profit* off their wares are scum that deserve to be locked up. BUT, that does not mean that the media companies are in any way blameless. The world is changing; they refuse to - and this is the result.

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    3. Re:Wrong by scsirob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Assuming there's about 20 years difference between 'now' and 'when you were a kid', then today's 50 cents is less money than the 33 cents back then. It's called inflation.

      If today's bar was raised to $14.99, then I would indeed call it the store's fault for trying to make unfair amounts of profit. Which just happens to be what the MPAA does...

      The MPAA has to step into reality by understanding that their super-profitable distribution system (CD, DVD) no longer fits today's reality. They should try to adjust instead of fighting the inevitable.

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  36. NOTICE: The MPAA did NOT deny it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Notice what the man from the MPAA said:

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    "We don't give cash to police officers," said Bill Shannon, an MPAA anti-piracy official.
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    Isn't that an odd way of putting a "denial"?

    So Billy, what kind of gratuities do you actually use if not cash?

  37. Re:Waiters in the US by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


    But most countries are socialist-leaning, so I'm not surprised you think so lowly of people who actually have to "sing for their supper".

    How is it that so many people in the US see everything in an axis of Capitalism-Socialism?

    The situation is as follows: Restaurant owners make money from the work of waiting staff. However, the waiting staff are paid on the whim of the customer (with less than minimum wage from owner contribution). The restaurant owner is essentially getting a free ride from the waiting staff. The waiter or waitress has no security and never mind the fact that many of the factors that contribute to "good service" are outside of the waiting staff's hands. If the restaurant owner understaffs, serves bad food or hassles the waitress so that maybe she doesn't feel like smiling or flirting with a customer, then it's not his problem because he's not the one that will be short-changed.

    There's a lot to be said for a system in which everyone knows how much they're getting paid and how much they're expected to pay.

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  38. Do you see the irony here? by tkrotchko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " Now now we all want to think the MPAA are guilty but as TFA says its an allegation thats being investigated."

    Isn't this similar to the record and movie companies who want to get info from ISP's about alleged copyright infringement without going to a court of law?

    The media companies have *seen* people stealing, so they assume people guilty and want to just fine them directly without doing that long, involved courtroom stuff.

    Am I the only one who sees the irony here?

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  39. What kind of cop are you? by MisterSquid · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only cop I would ever expect to surf Slashdot is Robocop.

    Cheers, officer. Just having a funny.

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  40. Re:I think DVD prices are not too high... by digidave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah well thost Babylon 5 sets cost just pennies to manufacture. The shows were already produced, so no production costs went into making them for the DVD. A few special features cost very little: a cameraman might cost $20/hour and the interviewees are probably not paid at all, or maybe a couple hundred bucks. There is more profit to be made on TV show sets because production costs are nearly zero and costs are still high.

    So, tell me again why DVDs cost as much as they do? Ah yes, what the market will bare. Looks like a significant portion of the market has decided that prices are too high.

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  41. I wanna see them dangling from a rope! by Cryofan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is it that I am the only one who seems to understand that we need to go back to harsh punishments for powerful people (e.g., politicians, CEO's, etc) who are obviously crooked. We need to try, convict and sentence all this powerful and corrupt people. Sentence them to death by hanging.
    That is the only way to swing the pendulum back, to correct the culture.

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  42. Re:I think DVD prices are not too high... by acroyear · · Score: 3, Interesting

    actually, interviews for actors for dvd-special-features cost a lot more than a couple hundred bucks. heck, just getting the rights to use interview footage from other sources like a movie's "red carpet premiere" can cost in the thousands. (consider how the documentary market is getting stagnated because the news people who hold the rights of post-viet-nam footage are charging too much to the point that non-profit companies like PBS's CPB can't afford it).

    the only exception are those for whom their contract involved a percentage of the gross, like the producers, directors, and lead actors. they get paid a substantially higher portion of the dvd sales than the regular actors do.

    for this reason, some dvd releases of classic movies don't get the "special edition" treatment up front (ala Mary Poppins, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and Chariots of Fire) -- the sales of the first release measure the interest. the profits are then used to pay the actors and other people (critics such as Leonard Maltin in the Disney films) to film the new interview footage.

    its akin to getting a public speaking engagement. those generally run in the thousands, plus transportation and hotel fees, even for small actors like the various Imperial generals/admirals at Star Wars cons. Agents of actors NEVER let them do anything for free, because it reduces their value in the next film's negotiations.

    however, its extremely rare for TV show actors to get a percentage of the gross unless its the fifth season and beyond of a HUGE hit like seinfeld or friends. just as the actors normally don't get a piece of syndication sales, they also rarely get a piece of dvd sales.

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  43. Re:I think DVD prices are not too high... by Viceice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That because you live in the USA. in the rest of the world, especially in the developing world, the price of movies are grossly over prices.

    I live in a country where if you look at purchasing power parity, our courrency is nearly 60% undervalued against the USD. So stuff here ought to cost only about 40% of what they cost in the US (in other words 60% cheaper).

    Yet, the price of a non bootleg DVD movie here is about US$50 and it stays that way. So that makes it 700% more expensive then your US$7 instead of 60% cheaper which is the fair price.

    Anyway, thats moot, my point is that the MP/RI-AA's arguement is flawed. A people with very low disposeable incomes are either going to buy a bootleg or not going to buy it at all. So there is no loss there because nobody would have bought the original if piracy didn't exist anyway.

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  44. Re:I think DVD prices are not too high... by nacturation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah well thost Babylon 5 sets cost just pennies to manufacture. The shows were already produced, so no production costs went into making them for the DVD. A few special features cost very little: a cameraman might cost $20/hour and the interviewees are probably not paid at all, or maybe a couple hundred bucks. There is more profit to be made on TV show sets because production costs are nearly zero and costs are still high.

    So, tell me again why DVDs cost as much as they do? Ah yes, what the market will bare. Looks like a significant portion of the market has decided that prices are too high.


    Ignoring your ignorance about what things in the real world cost, if it's too expensive then just don't buy the shit.

    Every non-commodity item is sold at a price-point of what the market will bear. Do you think your salary should be based upon the minimum it costs you to pay rent, buy a few articles of clothing, and pay for some food? Maybe you're happy with subsisting through life, but most people want to get paid what the going market rate is. If the market will bear a $100K a year salary, I doubt you'll find people saying "Well, I can really get by on only $30K, so I'll cut my employer a deal."

    Let some other store buy DVDs and you can rent it on the cheap. Or get some friends together and split the cost. Next you'll be whining about how cologne and perfume is just a chemical solution in an alcohol base and that it shouldn't cost more than $2 for a bottle of that new Calvin Klein "Pretension" cologne.

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