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Web Site Attacks Are On The Rise

Nicholas Roussos writes "According to recent numbers from 2004, website attacks are on the rise, and many of them are being performed by mischevious school kids. Some of their favorite targets include U.S. government and military websites."

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  1. Mischevious School Kids ooor Glac Elves!! by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
    Recent numbers as of 2004?!?!? Cripes, that's like ... what? The dark ages! It's practically in cuneiform, even. What takes so long for this kind of thing to get to press? Oh, right, right... the server with the information was being attacked and it took a few months to figure out how to disconnect it from the network and get data off of it... "anybody still got one of those 3.5" floppy disks?"

    I couldn't help but notice that almost every site with a link in a slashdot article gets virtually nuked!

    there must be a connection, but what?

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  2. I don't think that this is new though. by lecithin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to recent numbers from 2004,
    According to recent numbers from 2003,
    According to recent numbers from 2002,
    According to recent numbers from 2001,
    According to recent numbers from 2000, ...
    Website attacks are on the rise.

    I bet we see this in 2005 as well.

    What would really be news if we saw website attacks decline.

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    1. Re:I don't think that this is new though. by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      Website attacks are on the rise.
      I bet we see this in 2005 as well.
      What would really be news if we saw website attacks decline.

      There will be a decline ... cut-backs and all, we had to lay off a lot of script kiddies and the rest is being outsourced to East Velcro.

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    2. Re:I don't think that this is new though. by bmw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What would really be news if we saw website attacks decline.

      No kidding.

      "This just in! Technology still advancing!"

      Obviously website attacks are going to increase as the number of people with computers and access to the internet increases.

  3. FRIST POST!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hello, I am a mischievous school kid.

  4. Careful! by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have certainly seen the number of attacks rising on our academic computing resources as well as my blog. Tracking IPs leads to lots of cable modems from Comcast and such which could be zombies, but given the lack of sophistication from those IPs, I have to wonder. Most of the attacks from these cable modem IPs are scripts directed at Windows vulnerabilities and buffer overflow attacks, but a few coming from Taiwan and Korea as well as some in the Balkans are fairly sophisticated that sometimes appear to come via compromised computers from other universities for example. Depending upon how sophisticated they are, I have reported some of them to Federal authorities who have the resources to subpoena logs and go after folks intruding into Federal resources. Interestingly others have also recently reported intrusions followed by blackmail which are likely not the domain of script kiddies. Certainly, comedy aside, one wonders if many of these kids have any idea of what they could actually be dealing with. Back in 1982 (we were 12), all that happened to us after hacking into government computers was my friend Lance getting his Apple ][+ confiscated followed by a job offer 9 years later from the same folks who confiscated his computer back in 1982. Now however, hacking into even an educational system could net you serious Federal penalties depending upon the system one hacks into. One admin friend of mine at a certain government lab is absolutely militant about this stuff. It has become her all consuming hobby to track these folks down and allocate whatever government resources she can muster to prosecute intruders into her systems. Woe be unto those that intrude into one of Melissa's systems.

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    1. Re:Careful! by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is her site domain? Maybe I could point some of the zombies and such who keep poking around my domains with a redirect to her website so SHE can go track them down.....

    2. Re:Careful! by Mignon · · Score: 4, Funny
      It has become her all consuming hobby to track these folks down and allocate whatever government resources she can muster to prosecute intruders into her systems. Woe be unto those that intrude into one of Melissa's systems.

      She sounds like a chick I'd like to meet! Bet I'd impress her by writing a virus and naming it after her.

    3. Re:Careful! by pegr · · Score: 2, Funny

      It has become her all consuming hobby to track these folks down and allocate whatever government resources she can muster to prosecute intruders into her systems. Woe be unto those that intrude into one of Melissa's systems.

      She sounds like a chick I'd like to meet! Bet I'd impress her by writing a virus and naming it after her


      I did it already... She wasn't impressed. :(

    4. Re:Careful! by BWJones · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've got dibbs on her computational forensics skills first. Besides, she would likely not be happy to suddenly get a bunch of Slashers pinging her systems. Come to think of it, posting her IP domains might result in folks with sunglasses darkening my door. No way dude. :-)

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    5. Re:Careful! by Feztaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I absolutely disagree. ISPs should be given "common carrier" status and should not at all be held responsible for anything that goes over their pipes. If you hold them responsible for hackers on their network, then they've got to start policing p2p, and then they give out the names of infringing customers, and then it's all over.

      Now, of course, a competent sysadmin would recognize a zombie PC on his network and would take steps to correct that, but under no circumstances should ISPs be held legally liable for that kind of stuff.

    6. Re:Careful! by warpSpeed · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I swear I've posted this like 5 times this week, but ISPs should be held liable for malicious traffic comming from their networks if they don't do anything about it. It's getting ri-freakin-diculous people!

      Speaking as the owner of a very small ISP, this is very nearly imposible. How do you define "don't do anything about it"? Which ISP are you going hold liable? The one that sells bandwidth to the offending PC (IP address)? Or the upstream ISPs. What if the middle ISP is multi-homed? Perhaps some guy just left his WiFi open, and a neighbors infected laptop has latched on to it (I've seen this happen). Would the Open WiFi guy be the ISP in this scenario?

      It is not just getting "ri-freakin-diculous", it has been pretty bad for quite a while now. With better and cheaper bandwidth becoming more and more readly avaiable the problem will continue to get worse. However the ISPs here are common carriers, they cannot (and I do not want then to) track ever IP packet that travels over their network.

      Perhaps you could whip on the OS makers where the majority of these problems originate from?

    7. Re:Careful! by stiggle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ISP could become more responsible and by DEFAULT restrict certain ports and services, unless specifically requested by the user.

      Grannie Jones doesn't need to run an IRC server (or any other server) on her home PC which she uses to collect emailed pics of the kids on.

      At the moment ISP are Windows with everything open and enabled by default. They should be more like OpenBSD with everything closed by default and opened up by the user requesting the services.

    8. Re:Careful! by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However the ISPs here are common carriers, they cannot (and I do not want then to) track ever IP packet that travels over their network.

      Food for thought..

      Telephone companies are common carriers too. Most, if not all of them, have annoyance call bureaus to handle people receiving chronic crank calls and such. If a phone company can block and trace annoying calls for customers without losing cc status, why can't an ISP offer a similar service?

      I know many hide their tracks via misconfigured proxies, but maybe some dent can be made.

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    9. Re:Careful! by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Funny
      What is her site domain? Maybe I could point some of the zombies and such who keep poking around my domains with a redirect to her website so SHE can go track them down.....

      She's at 127.0.0.1, and trust me, she's got an absolutely impenetrable Firewall! I can't see a thing in there!

      Maybe I'll try a DoS or some buffer overloads.

    10. Re:Careful! by PHP+Addict · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, kids with computers go after the Bush Whitehouse!

      ...oh, wait...
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  5. Worst of all... by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... they're attacking slashdot too and posting dupes!

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  6. Oblig. by erktrek · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. and I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!!!

  7. No surprises there, then by davidmcw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have an, unpublicised tech support website for our company use only. On looking at the weblogs, it looks like 80-90% of all traffic is attempted hacks. We even went as far as contacting the ISP of one particularly keen individual, they, of course, weren't in the slightest bit interested.

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    1. Re:No surprises there, then by TerminaMorte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a major problem.

      ISPs don't want to take responsibility. Well, that's not fair. Local/small ISPs are very good at this, while large ISPs don't seem to care what their users are doing.

      I have reported a few people myself; hell, I tracked down one to an old address (they had moved a week before), but the ISP was not willing to do any work.

      There needs to be some owning up by these ISPs. I'd also love to see some harsher penalties. Some of these 15 year old kids deserve to go to pound-me-in-the-ass prision.

    2. Re:No surprises there, then by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why should ISPs be responsible? Would you blame a phone company for people using their network for phone fraud? No. Would you blame a car manufacturer if somebody crashed into you in one of their cars? No.

      Why should ISPs be different? They shouldn't be responsible for what people do (or don't do) with their product/service. The people themselves should be held responsible. ISPs are just another carrier, and as soon as you make them take responsibility for things that happen to take place on their network, everything goes to shit.

      It's funny that when everyone's talking about hacking attempts, people here say that the ISPs should be held accountable. But when talking about P2P? No! They're just common carrier!

    3. Re:No surprises there, then by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny
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    4. Re:No surprises there, then by Tassach · · Score: 4, Informative
      On looking at the weblogs, it looks like 80-90% of all traffic is attempted hacks
      If your traffic pattern is like mine, 99% of these "hack" attempts are really IIS worms trying to propegate. It's sad to say that after nearly 4 years NIMDA, Code Red/Blue, and their spawn are still a daily annoyance. As long as you don't have an unpatched IIS instance open to the world, these attacks are no threat.

      The worms were polluting my weblogs so badly that I had to set up conditional logging in Apache to send them to a seperate log:

      SetEnvIf Request_URI "^/c/winnt" ATTACK
      SetEnvIf Request_URI "^/c/winnt" NO_LOGACCESS
      # etc
      CustomLog logs/attack_log common env=ATTACK
      CustomLog logs/access_log common env=!NO_LOGACCESS

      <Location />
      Order Allow,Deny
      Allow from all
      Deny from env=ATTACK
      ErrorDocument 403 "Worm Attack - Access Denied"
      </Location>
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    5. Re:No surprises there, then by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative
      Speaking of which, why is it that ISPs don't want you to host your own mail server/web server/ftp server etc.?

      Because they want you to buy their busine$$ cla$$ service if you do all that stuff.

    6. Re:No surprises there, then by Handpaper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't have a website. I don't run a public server. I do have an old PII box running sshd and proftpd for the use of myself (remote config) and my family/friends (ftp more convenient than email for some things).
      I also have about 20MB per month worth of /var/log/messages (yes, all but today and yesterday are gzipped), which mainly look like this:

      Apr 25 15:30:08 localhost sshd[14642]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 47961
      Apr 25 15:30:10 localhost sshd[14642]: User ftp not allowed because not listed in AllowUsers
      Apr 25 15:30:14 localhost sshd[14644]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 48215
      Apr 25 15:30:16 localhost sshd[14644]: User nobody not allowed because not listed in AllowUsers
      Apr 25 15:30:16 localhost sshd[14646]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 48747
      Apr 25 15:30:19 localhost sshd[14646]: Illegal user www from 209.58.101.239
      Apr 25 15:30:20 localhost sshd[14648]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 49106
      Apr 25 15:30:21 localhost sshd[14648]: User apache not allowed because not listed in AllowUsers
      Apr 25 15:30:24 localhost sshd[14650]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 49464
      Apr 25 15:30:26 localhost sshd[14650]: Illegal user cyrus from 209.58.101.239
      Apr 25 15:30:28 localhost sshd[14652]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 49825
      Apr 25 15:30:31 localhost sshd[14652]: Illegal user mysql from 209.58.101.239
      Apr 25 15:30:32 localhost sshd[14654]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 50285
      Apr 25 15:30:39 localhost sshd[14654]: Illegal user testuser from 209.58.101.239
      Apr 25 15:30:40 localhost sshd[14656]: Connection from 209.58.101.239 port 51054
      Apr 25 15:30:44 localhost sshd[14656]: Illegal user postgres from 209.58.101.239

      Similar entries exist in /var/log/ftplog, which isn't automatically compressed and archived, and tends to get checked and deleted when it gets to c.50MB

      Aside from scrolling my pid counter and wasting a small amount of bandwidth, the bastards haven't done anything noticeable yet, but I can't help feeling that it would be better if they were to just stop.

  8. choice quote by Reuters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "For the average person it sounds complicated but if you know what you are doing it's really quite easy," he said.

    Couldn't that statement be applied to any subject?

  9. Schoolboys? by forum__32 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that comment is a little misleading...How many 15-16yr olds do you know with a policatal opinion like being called schoolboys?

    1. Re:Schoolboys? by PaxTech · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whether they like being called schoolboys or not, it's what they are. Just because they have a political opinion that equates to "OMG W4R 15 B4D n0 Bl00d 4 01L LOL WTF" doesn't make me think of them as mature.

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    2. Re:Schoolboys? by SmokeHalo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not many, particularly among female 15-16yr olds.

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    3. Re:Schoolboys? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that comment is a little misleading...How many 15-16yr olds do you know with a policatal opinion like being called schoolboys?

      I don't know... I'd say that's a perfectly appropriate label for someone with such a weak philosophy that only through defacing someone else's words or information do they think they're communicating in a useful way. 15-16 year-olds are essentially twits, no matter what their fashionable political orientation. But it's clear that if cracking sites fits comfortably within the political system they do support, we don't really have to worry about hurting their poor, tender little feelings, do we? Boys, pre-pubescents, developmentally stunted... call them what you will, why should anyone care what they like (thus showing them any respect whatsoever) when their purpose, as deliberately shown through their actions, is to make a mockery of respect for anyone else? "Political opinion" indeed. I think "child's tantrum" is more like it, and that's not how you get someone to listen to your nascent ideology. Yup, schoolboys.

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  10. Which PR firm generated this story? by justanyone · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Some would say that most news outside of the main NYT and others is generated by PR firms providiing "information" to reporters in the hopes of getting an article published. I would argue that the interesting thing about this "article" is not that the non-news it contains:

    * website attacks are most commonly peformed by schoolboys
    * attacks are on the rise
    * attacks are commonly politically motivated

    This "news" isn't new. Thus, who asked for the article or provided the info in it? Symantec, pushing antivirus software? Cisco, trying to induce worry about security in general and sell their more 'secure' routers? IBM, EDS, Siemens, or someone else, selling E-Commerce security software?

    Being a critical reader is not just asking, "is this story true". Nowadays, it's asking, "Why was this story published?"

    -- Kevin

  11. Government "control"? by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I find interesting is that the U.S. Government is constantly at battle with hordes of "mischievious school kids," and actually has a big PROBLEM with it.

    Explain to me, again, how school children can pose a serious threat to the United States government, and we still have the balls to declare war on a country in the middle east?

    1. Re:Government "control"? by TerminaMorte · · Score: 3, Funny

      They have more pressing matters, I would imagine.

      Timmy running some exploit he found on a site from 1999 isn't really on par with, say, the governments secret plan to infiltrate Slashdot, and discredit the community with dupes, mispellings, irrational arguments, and ads disguised as stories.

    2. Re:Government "control"? by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Likely because they have to take every security threat seriously, and when you're getting thousands a day just from little kids trying to manually guess the secret password for the "Authorized users only" page at whitehouse.gov, it gets a little tiresome.

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  12. "Web Site Attacks Are On The Rise" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Web Site Attacks Are On The Rise"

    Tsssss... What is the world coming to when people get attacked by web sites. I still remember when we could co to sleep and leave the computer unlocked.

  13. There's not more attacks... by c0ldfusi0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's just more targets.

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  14. mischevious school kids? by Reverant · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought they were just w4r-h4rd3n3d AOL script kiddies!

  15. Attack or Compromise? by kevin_conaway · · Score: 3, Informative

    Both articles from the summary indicate that the attacks on the the U.S. govt and military computers were just that, attacks. Anyone have any info on whether these were successful attacks or not? The Zone-H website is running a little slow to figure it out.

  16. Worth Noting -- it's not just Windows servers! by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As the owner of a web hosting company for several years now (and one that stays away from Windows as much as possible), we've noticed a dramatic spike in attempted attacks on our servers in the past 12 months. If you put an unprotected /tmp directory (i.e. one that allows executable files) in a server that's connected directly to the Internet, you're asking for trouble. We've seen these boxes sending out spam or DOS'ing other servers (mostly targeting IRC servers) in a matter of hours from when we put them online. The hackers find some exploit like an old version of phpBB, insecure PHP code, etc. It's really not that hard; if you have several sites on a server, chances are that one of them has something vulnerable in a web-accessible directory. It's gotten so bad that we've devoted part of our standard CentOS install to locking down the /tmp directory so no files can be executed (and explaining this change to our customers.)

    Worse yet, the hacks have now turned to running perl or php from the command line on things in /tmp to get around the noexec mount option. The hack works like this:

    1) Find exploitable site. (Again, with the number of insecurities in commonly-used programs like phpBB, or god forbid, the *Nuke series, this isn't hard.)
    2) Upload perl script to /tmp.
    3) Run "perl [script name]" repeatedly to accomplish your goal.

    We've again locked down our servers to prevent this, but unfortunately, we can't make this part of our default install because our customers like to run perl and php from /tmp! (Argh.) So we simply educate them and tell them how to lock the servers down themselves, and why putting any scripts in /tmp is a Bad Idea.

    It's not just us, either... go to any forum where webmasters or hosting company owners congregate and you'll see this is one of the most common problems out there. Linux is no longer more secure as a web server... not when you factor in most of the PHP programs out there that people love, at least.

    1. Re:Worth Noting -- it's not just Windows servers! by jangobongo · · Score: 2, Informative
      Zone-H has a continuously updated chart on their front page that tracks today' verified attacks thus far:

      225 single IP
      352 mass defacements

      Linux (67.2%)

      Win 2000 (17.3%)

      Win 2003 (6.8%)

      FreeBSD (5.4%)

      SolarisSunOS (2.3%)

      Win NT9x (0.7%)

      NetBSDOpenBSD (0.2%)

      [other]... (0.2%)

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  17. In other news.... by ARRRLovin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Use of "electronic mail" has increased.

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    -Randy
  18. Attacks by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

    Website attacks are definitely on the rise. Last week, police arrested askjeeves.com for suspicion in a string of armed robberies.

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  19. Script Kiddies by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did they come to the conclusion that many of these attacks are by kids? Just that the hacks spike when school is out? The article really didn't go into much detail.
    Nowadays, if you don't protect your website from being hacked, you might as well expect it to be hacked. Maybe they should try hacking Argus systems Pitbull LX and win(?) money.

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    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
  20. Attacks in general are up by TheLinuxWarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think it's just web site stuff.
    I think it's attacks period.
    LogWatch is constantly telling me that people are trying to break into my servers via sshd or via ftpd.
    The really sorry part is that since most of them take place from outside the US, I dont even bother to report it, since the ISPs wont do anything about it.

  21. Then was Then, Now is Now by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting
    one wonders if many of these kids have any idea of what they could actually be dealing with. Back in 1982 (we were 12), all that happened to us after hacking into government computers was my friend Lance getting his Apple ][+ confiscated followed by a job offer 9 years later from the same folks who confiscated his computer back in 1982. Now however, hacking into even an educational system could net you serious Federal penalties depending upon the system one hacks into.

    Indeed, some good fodder for movies back then, but a slap on the wrist. What behavioural change might one expect if some existing statutes were pulled into effect, such as child endangerment, contributing to the deliquency of a minor, etc, where parents don't keep up with what their kids have been doing on the computer?

    Seems entirely reasonable that at some point someone will drag the kid away from the parents/home to be placed in some child welfare state. Legal experts opinions welcome.

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  22. Slashdot is constantly being attacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    By empty-headed schoolkids bent on mischief. These attacks are called "comments".

    1. Re:Slashdot is constantly being attacked by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think some schoolkids had modpoints. Bad schoolkids! Bad! Get back to class before we bring out the cattle prods! Else you won't amount to much when you grow up. Only time will tell...

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      -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  23. Re:Article Text by tomhudson · · Score: 2
    There were almost 400,000 attacks on Web sites around the world last year,
    ... oh, come on, we get probed at least 1,000 times a night (more on weekends, when those pesky school-kids are up late, I guess).

    400,000 attacks per year world-wide is a SERIOUS under-estimate.

  24. Websites run by inexperienced people... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Over the last couple years, I've noticed a large number of web projects being run & maintained by people who don't understand computer security or system administration [1].

    Concepts like 'rotate the log files or your disk will fill up & crash the site' or "Don't use FTP-- the passwords are sent over the Public Internet in cleartext" are beyond many of these website maintainers. Even many programmers who are great at project design, Object Oriented development, layout, etc. still miss these major issues.

    It's no suprise that website attacks are on the rise-- the projects are being run by people who know enough to be dangerous, but don't know enough to run the project well.

    [1] or good design, or simplified design, but that's another topic :)

    1. Re:Websites run by inexperienced people... by Emperor+Shaddam+IV · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Over the last couple of years??? Who are you kidding. I've been in IT for 15 years in various roles, and almost all projects are run by inexperienced project managers with little knowledge of computer security or system administration, and of database constraints/design, backup, recovery, good coding standards, performance, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

      The Internet is airing the age old laundry of IT for the entire world to smell. And boy it stinks...

  25. Hah! Smart enough? by TerminaMorte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "A lot of 15- and 16-year-old guys are smart enough to have strong political opinions,"

    Agreed, VERY strong political opinions!... just usually not their own.

    "Well, my teacher says Kerry is great because he likes *insert rapper here*", or "OMFG, EATING ANIMALS IS MEAN".

    Most of their political opinions don't mean a thing. Not to say all kids are like this, of course.

  26. From the article: by asoko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "A lot of 15- and 16-year-old guys are smart enough to have strong political opinions," Roberto Preatoni, Zone-H founder, told Reuters on Monday.

    Since when did intelligence become a prerequisite for having strong political opinions?

  27. This is why... by The+Pim · · Score: 4, Funny

    web sites should be caged or leashed at all times, and large, aggressive breeds of web site should require a license. Also, teach your children never to tease web sites.

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  28. Yes, Give us the Final 2005 vs 2004 numbers now! by DumbSwede · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Are you saying we should be able to compare the final numbers for 2005 to 2004 now, as opposed to 2003 to 2004?

    I assume you mean to complain the stats weren't published in January I guess. Your comment is modded funny, and this may have been your goal. If not, just who do you think should be busting his or her ass to get you this timely information. Somebody got around to looking at the trend and published it, and you seem to be bitching they didn't personally call you on New Year Eve with the final stats.

    Chill.

  29. ub3r 1337 h4xx0rz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wish people will stop calling these script kiddie noobs "Hackers". Remember the days when a hacker was a skilled programmer? The media said, "Hey! Let's call criminals who use computers hackers! ('cause it sounds scary.) I am sorry, but the people who do this are no more of a hacker than a person who writes his name on the bathroom wall is a criminal mastermind.

  30. Someone's gonna say it.... by Yumi+Saotome · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Websites attack you!

  31. Common Carriers and "network harm" by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even the phone company can pull your wire if you keep others from making or receiving phone calls.

    They CAN have their common carrier status and still be allowed/encouraged/required to pull the plug on computers that are doing "network harm."

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  32. Re:That's what I call by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I did those kind of things in my younger days it was purely educational.. Because I did those things, my PC won't be hacked. If it does, then it means there's more I need to learn.. (by the way, my PC name is "insecure" - I'm asking for it) Wrecking a car and a computer system are two different things. Computer systems are recoverable, and if they're not.. more lessons for the sysadmin. The money spent repairing the car (and whatever it crashed into) is what needs to be accounted for, just like the guy who hacks a system to find (and abuse) private data. That costs real money and time, a crashed server (or hell, even realizing you've just been hacked) is a lesson in the form of a minor headache that could have been much worse. If it can be hacked, it should be hacked. Not destroyed, abused, or used for ill-gotten advantages, but only so it can be fixed. It's one of the philosophies that melts in oh-so-nicely with the open source movement.

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  33. what does sex have to do with it? by Tharkban · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's going to hell in a handbasket but not because of the reasons you described.
    Sex on TV isn't near as bad as some of the other crap that gets put on there.
    I'd rather be forced to watch porn than assaulted with the groupthink propaganda this god forsaken country spawns.

    Don't think, believe.
    Don't think, buy.
    Don't think, kill.

    For the record, kids have never had morals.
    I know that's what everyone told me when I was growing up, and It's what my great grandfather told my grandfather when he was a kid.

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  34. Re:Build a better operating system. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Quit using the C language to write operating systems.

    Geez, that's as useful as saying that in order to prevent drunk driving fatalities, the Amish should all have chaffeurs. The problem isn't the language of the OS. Yes C doesn't have all the nifty security features of C# or Java, but that's not the problem. The problem is that most of the time script kiddies are using other languages to exploit an OS written in C. If the OS was written in C#, there would still be the same issue if the programming wasn't 100% secure. And we all know no program or OS is 100% perfect.

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  35. How to solve the problem. by edunbar93 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Find a bunch of these l33t h4x0r5, then one day after school there's a rash of incidents like this:

    A black van screeches to a halt at the crosswalk that 13 year old Brody Seminuk is standing at, the side door opens and men in black ski masks yank him off the sidewalk and into the van, in full view of his friends. The van jackrabbits away from the curb and the interrogation immediately begins.

    MIB: WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR!
    BS: What?! I don't have a job!
    MIB: DON'T BULLSHIT US! WE KNOW YOU'RE WORKING FOR INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS!
    BS: International terrorists!? But...! But...!
    MIB: Don't lie to us boy! We'll beat the truth out of you if we have to!
    BS: I don't know any terrorists! What are you talking about!?
    MIB: You tried 32,812 times to break into www.edwards.af.mil!
    BS: Oh shit!

    Van stops in an underground parking garage, where Brody is shoved into a new van, with new interrogators.

    MIB: WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR!!
    BS: I'm not working for anyone! I don't know any terrorists!

    An old, battered van that has "Ed's plumbing" written on the side stops briefly and Brody is pushed out the back door, wearing only his underwear.

    Friend 1: Dude, are you alright? We thought you were going to die!
    Friend 2: They didn't rape you or anything, did they?
    Brody: Got any money? I need a cab home.
    Friend 1: Yeah, yeah, I have about $12.
    Brody: call me a cab then.
    Friend 2: What was that all about anyway.
    Brody: Don't hack into Edwards. They really mean it.
    Friend 2: You mean Edwards AFB?
    Brody: Yes.
    Friend 2: Um, what's that smell?
    Brody: Shut up and dial.

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  36. The thing to do is by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing to do is to hold the ISP accountable if they don't hold the user accountable.

    For example - I had this host that kept sending me half-megabyte virus executables via mail. I identified the ISP as Netvision in Israel. I tried to contact them repeately. They did nothing to stop this - they did not contact the user, they did not disconnect the user, they did not block the user's ability to send mail, NOTHING.

    In cases like this, then HELL YES I say hold the ISP accoutable - they have failed to hold the user accountable.

    If I start making prank calls from my phone, the phone company will kill my line if they get called about it. ISPs should be no exception.